Petraeus adviser: Petraeus’ testimony ‘potentially misleading.’
By on Oct 8th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Petraeus adviser: Petraeus’ testimony ‘potentially misleading.’
In his column yesterday, New York Times Public Editor Clark Hoyt examined “the confusing world of statistics from Iraq.” As TPM’s Greg Sargent notes today, Hoyt quotes one of Gen. David Petraeus’ own advisers, Stephen Biddle, saying that the Petraeus’ September testimony to Congress was “potentially misleading” because it emphasized “isolated points” rather than “broad trends”:
Biddle was an adviser to Petraeus last spring but believes the general’s testimony was “potentially misleading” because it didn’t discuss all the reasons why the numbers might have improved.
He said the best way to analyze statistics from Iraq is to gather all the numbers from all sources and look for broad trends instead of picking isolated points, as Petraeus did.
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Petraeus is slowly being discredited by his own
he has Betrayed Us
October 8th, 2007 at 3:17 pmHoyt quotes one of Gen. David Petraeus’ own advisers, Stephen Biddle, saying that the Petraeus’ September testimony to Congress was “potentially misleading†because it emphasized “isolated points†rather than “broad trendsâ€
You mean Betrayus cherry-picked statistics?
<Gasp!>
All the trolls who insist on bleating on about how the Petraeus-Betrayus MoveOn.org ad was false, unpatriotic, and treasonous REALLY need to STFU now.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:22 pm"Potentially misleading"....?
Hmmm. How about we just call it what it is: a sh*tload of propaganda...?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:24 pmHow many times must liberals be right before the rest of the country gets it?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:24 pmMISLEADING = FLAT OUT LIE!
October 8th, 2007 at 3:25 pmExley,
October 8th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI know you are still in a Met's record breaking, league leading, tail spin hangover, but I patiently await where you post arguments attacking Stephen Biddle. After all, one shouldn't question an active serving general, even if it's HIS OWN ADVISER!
Right, Exley?
Or shall you post an apology for attacking MoveOn.org?
Princeps sez:
That's funny, I remember quite clearly sitting in a bar in 2002 and predicting exactly what the result of this insane occupation of imperialistic expansion would be.
There's one for you...
October 8th, 2007 at 3:31 pmMight be misleading - well DUH.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pm"That’s funny, I remember quite clearly sitting in a bar in 2002 and predicting exactly what the result of this insane occupation of imperialistic expansion would be."
Me, too, except I was in my kitchen. ;) So that's two. Times the 23% of Americans who were against the invasion while Bush's approval rating was still in the 80% range. So yeah, we've been right many, many times...
October 8th, 2007 at 3:35 pmGeneral Betray us 2007 = General Westmoreland 1967.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:38 pmmy response:
uh-duh...no shit. we knew this last month. where have they been?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSo MoveOn was right.
I expect Congress will issuing an apology some time soon. Either that or Congress will just give Bush more money for the war. One or the other.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“potentially misleading†because it emphasized “isolated points†rather than “broad trendsâ€:
Is there any wonder why he(Petraeus) was not sworn in before his testimony.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:42 pm"potentially misleading".......
Is that like "a little pregnant"???
October 8th, 2007 at 3:47 pmsworn or not he can be yanked for purgering himself - but of course thats why the general was used- not a admin official - they knew the info was bogus.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:48 pmPetraeus is a traitor :traitor n. One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.
for profit or for position. if he lied or mislead the Congress knowingly in order to continue a "profitable" war for those who are profiting from it (cheney), he is a traitor. Period.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:49 pmhttp://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/07/the-line-in-the-sand/
this is why we are at war, and why they want us to stay and move on into Iran.
this is treason, and should be addressed as such. it is the only way to bring our soldiers home, and to end this imperial presidency.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:52 pmGeneral Petraeus followed the orders of his Liar-in-Chief as any good soldier would do. Yes lying under oath is part of following orders too. Remember Rummy and the Generals lied under oath about how they ordered the murder of Pat Tillman. Soldiers follow orders and that is being done now. Gates the new face of a liar just like the other Leader Rummy.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:53 pmThis is smoke and mirrors as planned, while if you bother to read the overseas news you'd see that to be true.
TRAITOR!!!!!!! how DARE he cast aspersion upon the spoken word of He Who Shall Not Be Questioned!!!!!
October 8th, 2007 at 3:55 pm.
"Yes lying under oath is part of following orders too."
um...no. committing a crime under orders is still a crime and punishable as such. there is NO excuse when following an illegal order.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:57 pmcommence the rightwing trashing of Stephen Biddle
October 8th, 2007 at 3:58 pmcommence the rightwing trashing of Stephen Biddle
Comment by Pete Bogs
He spells his first name with a ph instead of a v
October 8th, 2007 at 3:59 pmbastard!
commence the rightwing trashing of Stephen Biddle
Comment by Pete Bogs
Biddle. Is that french?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:01 pmDoesn't matter Wilco;we like the French now..
October 8th, 2007 at 4:02 pmJust don't refer to him as a phony soldier... oh wait...I'm confused.
Is Phoney soldier a good thing? it's so hard to keep all these "talking points" in order...
especially when they contradict last weeks talking points! Damn it!
where is my email alert?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:02 pmDoesn’t matter Wilco;we like the French now..
Comment by whiteyfresh
Sounds Venezuelan?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThis Criminal Repukian Mafia has never been honest once about anything.
GW666peak the truth? I think not.
Petraeus was only passing on what the Criminal In Chief was telling him to say. Honesty might slow down the raiding of the public coffers by GW666, Darth Vader and the rest of the Repukian War Profitting scumbags.
Buck Fush
October 8th, 2007 at 4:05 pmCondemn that man!!!
/snark
October 8th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe books were not only cooked. They were done to a crisp.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe books were not only cooked. They were done to a crisp.
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver
Or were they hard boiled like Petraeus?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:10 pmCould Roger or Jake please pass Willy the Right's latest memo regarding Rush and Moveon? Thanks.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:10 pmWatch the wingnutia will harangue this guy while protecting Rush for calling the troops phoney.
Frankly, I dont know how the wingnutia keep up with all the hypocrisy, its becoming quite unorganized..
Its like..ya know..way freaking out there on the irrational scale.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:12 pmxisithrus,
October 8th, 2007 at 4:15 pmthere are different rules for Reps than Libs. It's in the Constitution.
Willy, Rush called Jesse Macbeth a phony soldier, because Jesse Macbeth is a phony soldier.
Comment by Princeps
Except that Rush said plural "soldiers" and he was not referring to just Macbeth but other soldiers that have come out against the boondoggle.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:15 pmxisithrus, there are different rules for Reps than Libs. It’s in the Constitution. Comment by Wilco
Yeh, that GD piece of paper they constantly take apart except when protects them. =)
They have managed to hypocritise that even. A feckin mazing.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:17 pmut low-life scum like Macbeth and Beauchamp are open targets.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Apparently Chuck Hagel too...
October 8th, 2007 at 4:22 pmAmerican Conservative magazine called Petraeus a 'sychophant' Prinzip, wheres the howls from the hypocrite [GOP] party?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:22 pmcan we call GEN Petraeus a liar? like his aide is implying that he is?
or can we call GEN Petraeus an "ass kissing little chicken shit" like his boss Ad. Fallen does?
Is that ok with the new set of talking points?
thanks for bringing that up, by the way, Princess... I nearly forgot all about that!
October 8th, 2007 at 4:27 pmIs there any wonder why he(Petraeus) was not sworn in before his testimony.
Comment by DutchHenry
What I don't understand is why Congress allows this to happen. They can compel him to testify under oath, but they allowed him to testify without taking the oath.
Come to think of it, have any of Bush's sycophants ever testified under oath? I can't remember any. That should tell the public something, shouldn't it?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThe Dems allowed it to happen, just like they took IMPEACHMENT "off the table". Becaause some of them are bought and paid for just like the Rethuglicans.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:31 pmRove has, for two decades, been the master of the smear campaign. He was involved in smearing Bob Dole (World War II vet), in smearing Max Cleland (triple-amputee Viet Nam vet), in smearing John McCain (Viet Nam prisoner of war)
The GOP doesnt care about the troops, never have, to sit here and feign outrage is just more hypocrisy. The currebt admin also outted an agent [Plame] I am not surprised they wont codemn Rush, hes one of their biggest chickenhawk water carriers.
They will however condemn this guy Biddle who actually worked with Petraeus.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:34 pmIf anyone is or was a "phoney soldier" it is George Bush.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:34 pmHere’s the deal, you can’t call REAL Soldiers, like GEN Petraeus, ‘phony’ or ’someone who is likely to ‘Betray Usâ€
Comment by Princeps
"Real Soldiers" don't put their political aspirations ahead of their troops and their country. That is what Betrayus did and because of that he is a traitor in the eyes of many people in this country.
Remember a couple of weeks ago when some Right Wing Loon group floated the idea of Betrayus as the Republican vice president? Boy, that one died quickly. I'm willing to bet that Betrayus is not playing well in Peoria.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:35 pmBuy your father's influence into the Nat. Grd. of Tex.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:36 pmGet training in a plane that will never fly in Viet Nam.
Get assigned to the Al. Nt. Grd. and then only show for a dental appt. while your work for a senator's campaign.
Enough talk about who is a phoney soldier. GWB is the ultimate.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:38 pmIs it 2009 yet?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:38 pmomment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
October 8th, 2007 at 4:40 pmWhat is a troop supporter?
Sorry, CT. " Who is a troop supporter?"
October 8th, 2007 at 4:41 pm“Real Soldiers†don’t put their political aspirations ahead of their troops and their country. That is what Betrayus did and because of that he is a traitor in the eyes of many people in this country.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 8, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Eh. I'm not convinced of that. I've gotten the impression over the years that no one gets into the general staff, much less ends up with a shoulder full of stars without sacrificing everything for their own political gain. It's possible this wasn't true for people like Eisenhower, Patton and their contemporaries, but they certainly didn't achieve high rank without at least being ruthless.
And what is a ruth, anyway? I'm pretty sure I've never had one, so I guess I'm ruthless too.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:41 pmDepend on CT-V1 as a poop supporter.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:45 pmComment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
October 8th, 2007 at 4:47 pmI support men and women who selflessly give of themselves for the protection of our country. I do not have to support a government that has relinquished trust. Whether Petraeus is a shill or a good man is not mine to say. It is for history to bare witness.
Mattis is getting a fourth star. This is awesome, I want you lefties to fear him.
Comment by CT_V1
So tell me Right Wing Loon CT - why would you want Americans to fear someone in our military. What is he going to do to us to instill fear in us?
You are one crazy dude.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:47 pmHere is Ct's He-Ro, Mattis on what it is like being a Marine:
Sounds a lot like a candidate for War Crimes trials.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:48 pmDepend on CT-V1 as a poop supporter.
Comment by Nevar — October 8, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
October 8th, 2007 at 4:48 pmLOL. Well said. But of course I did not mean to say that kind of supporter.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 8, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
October 8th, 2007 at 4:49 pmFear is the Mantra of the rightwing.
GEN Petraeus’ sole motive was THE GOOD of human-kind.
Macbeth and Beauchamp were trying to please their moonbat masters.
Comment by Princeps
General Betrayus is keeping his troops in an untenable situation and getting them killed for something he knows will never happen (a supposed "win" in Iraq). If you think that is someone who is good for human-kind then I feel very sorry for you. As far as MacBeth and Beauchamp are concerned, no one on the left had ever heard of either of them until the Right Wing Loons brought them up to justify Rush Limbaugh's assault on our soldiers.
October 8th, 2007 at 4:50 pmTroop Supporter?
First, eliminate Rush & Bush. They don't have the balls to need support
Second, eliminate Mitt & Rudy; Mitt's Sons are too busy campaigning to serve & Rudy 'owns' 9/11.
Third, all Trolls. Most never served, are addicted to Kool-Aide, spew lies to cover Bush & Cheney's fat asses and live under bridges.
Any questions?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:53 pmComment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
I served a combat tour in Vietnam and the only people that said that killing was fun were the psychos and some of them were prosecuted.
How many tours have you served and how many kills do you have, and was it fun?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:55 pmthey never swore him in!
need anything else be said?
October 8th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI was waiting for your loony recap against a man who’s overwhelmingly admired by his Marines.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:00 pmComment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
My son would take issue.
CT- you really can't answer the fact that your fuhrer has been a whimp since his days on a plane that would never fly in viet nam. Who escaped his guard duty.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:02 pmCongrats, upside. You fell into the trap, so now your “troop supporting†keyboarding is now fluff!
Ah, yes — your “progressive military.†Not nice to disturb your vision, now. = (
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Hey Chickenhawk, no REAL soldier in Vietnam would ever say killing is fun. If they did, you stayed away from them, because they were deranged and would get you killed.
Guess you are a typical military Groupie, can't sack up to go yourslef but will live vicariously through others. Just like Commander Codpiece. What a bunch of scumbags in the Repug party.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:03 pmCT is not a troop supporter, he is an atheletic supporter(jock strap). :-D
October 8th, 2007 at 5:03 pmComment by CoulterIsamAnn — October 8, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
October 8th, 2007 at 5:06 pmHero worship is all these guys know.
It wouldn’t matter how many tours I’ve served...
October 8th, 2007 at 5:07 pmComment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Exactly EVERYONES' point HERE.
Mattis has the overwhelming majority of his Marines behind him
CT- YOU MAKE THIS SOUND POLITICAL. THAT IS NOT HOW THIS COUNTRY'S MILITARY WAS DESIGNED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:10 pmIt wouldn’t matter how many tours I’ve served because Mattis has served a number of tours, yet you set that aside to bash him.
Mattis has the overwhelming majority of his Marines behind him, no worries there. The promotion to lead to U.S. Joint Forces Command is extremely well deserved.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
I will bash any soldier who says killing is fun. And that goes double for any one leading US troops in battle. There is no place for that in our military.
War is not a game (Unless you are like CT and mr. p and are playing from behind a keyboard).
October 8th, 2007 at 5:10 pmMattis has the overwhelming majority of his Marines behind him, no worries there. The promotion to lead to U.S. Joint Forces Command is extremely well deserved.
Comment by CT_V1
And you know this how?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:11 pmAll the generals who told the TRUTH about this war were fired by the Deciderator.
To my mind, the only generals left are the bootlicking, whining, asskissing toadies who are willing to say anything to please their master.
Nice doggie-er, GENERAL!! Sit. Roll over.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:12 pmMattis has the overwhelming majority of his Marines behind him, no worries there. The promotion to lead to U.S. Joint Forces Command is extremely well deserved.
Comment by CT_V1
And you know this how?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 8, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
I think the wingnuts are getting an RSS feed directly from Dittoland. Once they've got a talking point, they can only repeat it, they can't document it.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pmHe can say whatever the hell he wants. He’s earned that right, and that is what his Marines want to hear.
I’ve come across nothing but dear praise from Marines of all ranks about Mattis. Prove me wrong.
And answer me this: Do you prefer milquetoast generals?
Comment by CT_V1
He can say whatever the hell he wants? OMG you are truly sick. Any soldier who is leading others who makes light out of killing should be immediately court martialed.
And it is not up to us to prove you wrong. It is up to you to prove yourself right. That's a point that is lost on the Right Wing Loons like you.
I prefer generals who have a mind of their own, who can think for themselves, and who will do what is best for their troops and for the country.
Neither Betrayus or your current idol Mattis is that kind of a general.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pmCT may be using another address for "Recommend"
October 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pmNo one is ‘pushing for war’ here. We were talking about the moveon ad and Rush’s comments about Macbeth.
Comment by Princeps — October 8, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Funny. I thought we were "talking" about the thread, which is about whether Petraeus is credible or not.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pmCT may be using another address for “Recommendâ€
Comment by leftcoast — October 8, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
October 8th, 2007 at 5:16 pmReview the posts of CT
No one is ‘pushing for war’ here. We were talking about the moveon ad and Rush’s comments about Macbeth.
Comment by Princeps
No, you are talking about the moveon ad and Rush's comments. We are talking about Betrayus and the fact that his own adviser has called him a liar.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:16 pmMattis is a real prince:
October 8th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Ok, now I know why CT is so enraptured with Mattis:
Until Mattis makes a decision otherwise, Wuterich, 27, of Meriden, Conn., is charged with 12 counts of unpremeditated murder in the deaths of 17 Iraqis on Nov. 19, 2005. In all, Marines shot to death 24 Iraqi civilians that day in Haditha after a roadside bombing in which one Marine was killed.
Mattis gets to be the one to decide whether Wuterich is tried for murder or is just subject to a court martial. This is the guy who lead the slaughter of innocent men, women and children at Haditha. Anyone want to bet that any promotion he is being offered is based on him letting Wuterich off murder charges?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:27 pmI’ve seen no evidence from anyone to the contrary.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
The willfully blind rarely see anything
October 8th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWow! On the same thread where lefties claim to “support the military,†they’re displaying how their support is quite narrow.
A desperate piling-on approach you lefties are taking.
We support the military. Lest you forget it is the Left that is trying to get them a raise, decent medical care, and enough rest before being sent back into the hellhole that is Iraq.
We don't support the generals who are making the decisions to keep them there based purely on their political ambitions.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:29 pmMattis is said to be exemplary among convening authorities, so your whining doesn’t matter.
Comment by CT_V1
Prove it. But you can't link to any Right Wing Loon website to do it. Come on CT, you are so sure you are right. So why don't you prove it.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:30 pmSomeone is recommending my posts. CT recommends his or her own by probably using another IP.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:33 pmTo ALL: DO NOT RECOMMEND MY POSTS.
Comment by gummitch — October 8, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
You wouldn’t know the basis, the logistics of his decision, now would you?
A typical leftist, gummitch, refuses to look at anything critically.
Mattis is said to be exemplary among convening authorities, so your whining doesn’t matter.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
I pointed to a non-biased article that reported facts: the General told a convicted felon that he could re-enlist, although this is contrary to standard procedure. You can spin that one any way you want, because you "refuse to look at anything critically."
All you can do is repeat yourself without any supporting information.
"Said to be"? By who?
All this "leftist whining" b.s. of yours is just that: b.s. If you actually had any basis for your "rightwing whining" you'd present something to back it up.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:34 pmCAMP PENDLETON —- On the eve of his promotion to four-star general and a new assignment, Camp Pendleton’s Lt. Gen. James Mattis is being acclaimed by colleagues and observers for his combat command skills and adept handling of troops accused of killing Iraqi civilians.
Yep, and I'll bet the bank that he does the same thing for Wuterich. What's a massacre of 24 Iraqi civilians. It's all just good fun to Mattis. The more I read about this guy the creepier he gets. But, that's Bush's military, promote the creeps and the sycophants and fire or force into retirement the Generals who have a conscience and the courage to say no to the Moron and Chief.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:34 pmTo ALL: DO NOT RECOMMEND MY POSTS.
Comment by leftcoast — October 8, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
October 8th, 2007 at 5:35 pmBESIDES MY CRAP AIN'T WORTH RECOMMENDING.
Again, prove me wrong.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
I have yet to see that you have proven yourself right.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:40 pmProsecutors are getting their butts kicked in the case, so get over it. Since you’d like potentially innocent Marines to have a political conviction, I’d like you to enlist into life in the brig. Do you feel the need for a payoff to all the media hype last year regarding the case?
Comment by CT_V1
No, prosecutors are not getting their butt kicked, sycophants like Mattis are choosing not to charge them with the crimes they have committed or are forgiving them for committing the crimes and allowing them back in the military. Yes, they are potentially innocent, but they should be tried for the crimes they have been accused of committing and let the chips fall where they may. If Mattis chooses to recommend that Wuterich simply be court martialed, then he is obstructing justice.
I know that you have as little respect for the lives of the people in Iraq as Mattis does, and that's probably why you admire this creep. All that does is to make you a creep too. But, then, we knew you were a creep before you started praising this guy.
Do you feel the need for a payoff to all the media hype last year regarding the case?
No, I would like to see justice done. His fellow Marines testified that Wuterich ordered them to kill the innocent women and children. And you want to allow him to get away with that. Phew....I feel dirty even talking to you.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:41 pmAgain, prove me wrong. Prove to me that Mattis isn’t an effective commander with a tremendous mind.
Is the anti-PC snippet from over 2 1/2 years ago all you lefties got?
Comment by CT_V1
That's not how it works. If someone makes an outrageous statement, it is up to that person to prove it is true, it is not up to other to prove him wrong. That's the way you Right Wing Loons operate. And thus far you are batting 100 at not being able to prove what you say.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:45 pmProsecutors are getting their butts kicked in the case, so get over it. Since you’d like potentially innocent Marines to have a political conviction, I’d like you to enlist into life in the brig. Do you feel the need for a payoff to all the media hype last year regarding the case?
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
when all that the military has left is psychos like Mattis and liars like Betrayus, that's what happens. the prosecution is losing because Bush has fired all the patriots and professionals, leaving behing the fellators and politicians. Congratulations on weakening America's military, CTVD.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:45 pmAnd thus far you are batting 100 at not being able to prove what you say.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 8, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Thus my statement at #131
I have yet to see CT back up one thing he says.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:46 pmOK folks, I think it's time to cut CT off. He expects us to come up with facts to prove him wrong when he can't come up with facts to prove himself right. He has nothing and he knows it. Continuing to argue with him is like spitting in the wind.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:47 pmEveryone here needs to provide proof that the majority of the Marine corps is opposed to Mattis’ continued service in the military.
My god, talk about arrogance. We are all here to serve CT. Who knew?
October 8th, 2007 at 5:48 pmI’ll give you an assignment: Give me the quote of a Marine with service in Iraq/Afghanistan who didn’t like the LtGen’s words.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
It's not enough that his superiors are constantly shutting him up and hiding him away? You're getting very good at moving the goalposts, but that isn't going to win you the game. You lose, and the USA loses, when marine generals excuse the crimes of those under their command.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI’ll give you an assignment: Give me the quote of a Marine with service in Iraq/Afghanistan who didn’t like the LtGen’s words.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Here is one, want more?
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showpost.php?s=6ea3e5ff424aacaeede778938d25ee4e&p=122005&postcount=3
October 8th, 2007 at 5:55 pmNo answer to my post at 146 CT?
October 8th, 2007 at 6:00 pmPolitics doesn’t overlap military service, so perhaps you shouldn’t defend these military haters, those who are falling flat on their face.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
well, in the case of the various "generals" you're busy sucking off, politicics actually replaces military service. Wromng again, wroang always. You are a glutton for punishment, like Larry Craig.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:03 pmCT, I answered and you run off like a chickenhawk......
I can provide more links as well, since I am a reader of many military blogs.
Now prove yourself right, chickenhawk.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAnd what I asked for specifically is proof that Mattis is an unfit military officer who lacks respect.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Liar
You asked:
Give me the quote of a Marine with service in Iraq/Afghanistan who didn’t like the LtGen’s words.
You are a lying worm.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pmHeh heh...way to shut down CT for trying to move the goalposts, Wayne.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:12 pmIt’s printed nestled in the middle of nowhere.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
it was linked directly to his comment, moron
Upper right link to view the whole thread.
I answered your quest:
Give me the quote of a Marine with service in Iraq/Afghanistan who didn’t like the LtGen’s words.
You cannot dispute that he did not like the Gen's words.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWant more before you try moving goalposts again, loser?
Wayne sez:
Work the body, Wayne, work the body! ^_^
October 8th, 2007 at 6:23 pmAll of you look stupid here, face it.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Only one looking the fool today is you.
A particularly dishonest fool at that.
Spin, spin, spin and hope everyone forgets your dishonesty I highlighted today. Thats all you got.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:28 pmWork the body, Wayne, work the body! ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 8, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Once I see a weakness, thats where the blows start hitting, lmao
October 8th, 2007 at 6:31 pmComment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
I proved you wrong, now you prove your own statments.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:32 pmBack up your own crap.
Prove all of my posts wrong, Wayne. .... blah,blah
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Shorter CT: "I ain't got nothing."
October 8th, 2007 at 6:35 pmCT_V1 sez:
I'm a network administrator, CT. Thanks for caring.
I don't need support, CT...my only purpose here is to laugh myself sick while watching Wayne beat you into paste. ^_^
October 8th, 2007 at 6:38 pmTalking to yourself again, Mr. Monkey.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Poor CT
When he cannot prove his own statements, he tries to cahnge the subject or attack someone else.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:47 pmI’m done here for the evening. I’ve done my part.
Comment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
You were done after I proved you wrong, then you tried dishonestly trying to change the goalposts.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:50 pmComment by CT_V1 — October 8, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
I thought you were "done here for the evening".
For Pete's sake, CT, stay down! ^_^
October 8th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI’m done here for the evening. I’ve done my part.
Comment by CT_V1
Actually you were done here quite some time back and only appear to make as ass of yourself. Congratulations, your parted.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:09 pmPatraeus didn't lie, he was just selective.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:47 pmYes, it was shown at the time of his testimony that Patraeus cooked his statistics.
He did in fact betray all of us and the soldiers in the field with his numbers. He thought the surge would work, and made his numbers show the surge was working.
All we got for it is at least the SAME number of troops as were there before the surge at least until Jan , 2009 and probably longer.
We did not get any recipe or hope for a viable Iraqi economy or government....thus no end in sight.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:05 pmWhat?> Wha!?? Petraeus would Betray the truth to carry heavy water for the Bushits?
Yup
October 9th, 2007 at 12:00 amIraq report to the White House "Get Blackwater out in 6 months, and Hand Over the Blackwater Employees who Killed 17 Civilians"
just came out hour ago
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/iraq-to-blackwater-get-out-pay-up-and-hand-them-over/
October 9th, 2007 at 12:47 amtoday we are all Stephen Biddle...
PS: why can't you search this page for words within the Explorer browser...
October 9th, 2007 at 11:29 am