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32 percent:
Bush’s job approval rating according to the latest Gallup poll. “That is slightly below his previous reading of 36% from mid-September, but is identical to his average approval score for all Gallup Polls conducted thus far in the second half of the year.”
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32%? you give this piece of sh*t WAY too much credit. what is the error of the poll…. 32%?
October 9th, 2007 at 9:57 amTroll rebuttal of Democrat “led” Congress approval rating in…
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October 9th, 2007 at 9:59 amBut it doesn’t make any difference!
October 9th, 2007 at 10:01 amHe could be at 2% and remain in power; his minions will still defend him and his supporters will still love him. He has people who will steal for him, lie for him, cover for him and defend him. All these polls do is validate that the rest of us have been right about him all along – but what good did it do?
It’s not the 32% that support him, its the 64% who do not and whose voice continues to be ignored.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:03 amIt should be lower than this! They’re probably tampering with these numbers and fudging them just like all the rest. Trust nothing you don’t research yourself. This government is total smoke & mirrors and cannot be believed.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:03 amAs long as Pelosi remains “Table Phobic” Bush can drop to 0% and it won’t matter. He will still be flaunting his disdain for the Constitution and Rule of Law.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:05 am- but what good did it do?
Comment by Marie — October 9, 2007 @ 10:01 am
I agree. However, if his numbers were high, Bush would be pointing at them, talking about how he has “political capital” and a “mandate” from the people.
We all know Bush is a miserable failure. The Republicans know this as well. But there is little we, the people, can do about it.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:06 amI’m amazed it’s that high.
On second thought…
32% of americans are lemmings.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:09 amHe is still twice as high as Congress.
Yeah, well, we knew that………
October 9th, 2007 at 10:15 am#9 if the obstruction republicans were not there, congress would have over a 50% approval…… but dems are cowards and that is why they would never get above 60%.
usa govt is obsolete.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:15 amWhy does anyone care about this. He is still twice as high as Congress.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 10:12 am
After the November elections, both the WH and Congress will be over 50%, so that should make you feel much better.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:17 amHere’s some more numbers for ya’ll… “security contractors” in Baghdad just killed two more civilian Iraqi women …..
source: BBC World News
October 9th, 2007 at 10:18 am32%….the ’savior’ dems are afraid of less than a third of the approval rating of a village idiot. What courage! (or rather..what courage?)
A village idiot voted into office by a village of idiots.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:19 amWhy does anyone care about this. He is still twice as high as Congress.
Comment by ron ron the do ron ron — October 9, 2007 @ 10:12 am
12 minutes.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:21 amNot bad, but I expected a little quicker irrelevant post that had nothing to do with the thread!
12 minutes.
Not bad, but I expected a little quicker irrelevant post that had nothing to do with the thread!
Comment by DRxJ — October 9, 2007 @ 10:21 am
But you knew it was coming, right? Blah blah blah blah Congress blah blah.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:25 amThe thing that is astounding is that Bush’s approval ratings have been really low for an incredibly long time. Has any other president’s approval ratings ever stayed in the toilet for so long?
One would think Bush would have huge NEGATIVE political capital such that he had NO POWER in negotiations. Yet we Democrats will not believe the our own eyes and we continue to offer the same deference that one might expect a “normally” popular president to receive.
The people hate this guy; he’s committed crimes against the Constitution. He should be thown out of office. If he were removed, the country and the civilized world would cheer.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:27 amIf you are reasonable, you will admit that the presidents approval rating has more meaning when you compare it in the context of the approval ratings of congress.
If progressives are annoyed by the inconvenient comparasion by conservative posters here of the president’s approval to the even more dismal approval of the democrats that lead congress; post congressional numbers along with the president’s, so we won’t have to do it, to make you look selective and partisan.
By assigning so much importance to approval ratings as a measure of effectiveness, you have inadvertantly made the case that democrats are even less capable of leadership than the current crop of failing republicans.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 10:25 am
The comparison you’re trying to create is irrelevant. Congressional numbers are low, but they’re always low. And the underlying assumption you’re making–that the numbers reflect badly only on the Democrats–are ridiculous.
You’re attempting to compare a single individual with an entire body of legislators as though they were equivalent, but we keep pointing this out over and over and it never sinks in, does it?
Why do I waste the effort?
October 9th, 2007 at 10:28 amI like you optimism, upside. But, I find it unlikely that republicans will win the White House, Senate and the House.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 10:27 am
har de har har
At least you realize the Republicans are screwed, blued and tatooed.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:29 amWhy does anyone care about this. He is still twice as high as Congress.
Comment by ron — October 9, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Wow — it took all the way to Post #9 for this tired and irrelevant talking point to be posted.
Your math is wrong. The most recent Gallup poll on Congress approval has that number at 24%. Congressional Dems were at 37% (higher than the president’s numbers, even if you use Bush’s September figure of 36%), and Congressional Repubs were at 29%.
For Bush to be “twice” the Congress approval figure, he would have to have an approval rating of 48%, which he hasn’t seen for a long, long time.
But this is all moot. You can’t compare a poll about an individual with a poll about a multi-person entity, which I have already explained ad nauseum in past threads.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:30 amAs usual, you leave out the job approval rating of the Congress. You wonder why you aren’t getting traction in the country?
October 9th, 2007 at 10:33 am#22 – “But this is all moot. You can’t compare a poll about an individual with a poll about a multi-person entity, which I have already explained ad nauseum in past threads.” Comment by missmolly — October 9, 2007 @ 10:30 am
No use. He’s closed his mind and refuses to accept anything other than pre-digested opinions from the neo-cons.
Why doesn’t he ever talk about the “approval rating” of the Republican-led congress? Afraid to find out that it’s lower than the Democrat-led congress?
October 9th, 2007 at 10:43 amcan anyone find the polling numbers for the 109th?
or point me to a link for those numbers? please…
i’m gonna guess that they will be relatively high, since nothing was getting done and so no feathers were ruffled and all was peaceful and quiet… just a guess…
October 9th, 2007 at 10:44 amI like you optimism, upside. But, I find it unlikely that republicans will win the White House, Senate and the House.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 10:27 am
All the powers that have been given to the WH now will flow to the Dem President and the increased majority in both Houses will provide all the protection needed to restore adult leadership to the country. And you won’t even have to thank us, capt’n man.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:46 amI think we can unequivocally say that George W. Bush has secured himself a top-three spot on the “Worst Presidents of All Time” list.
Anyone have any ideas for locations of a Mt. Rushmore spin-off that could immortalize the most incompetent presidents of our history?
Maybe we can just start printing up special credit notes with GW’s visage on it to send to China for debt payment.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:48 am25% for Congress, 37% for Bush on 9/21/06…the more things change…
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/us/politics/21poll.html
October 9th, 2007 at 10:51 amMantastic,
What’s your take on the Presidont’s pathetic poll numbers? Any reasons as to why he would garner such little approval? Are his low numbers justified? Why or why not?
Will you actually answer questions concerning the thread as opposed to relying on your strawman Congress comparison? I personally doubt it.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:58 am“Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are doing their job?”
Approve Disapprove Unsure 9/27-30/07
29 67 4
Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are doing their job?”
Approve Disapprove Unsure 9/27-30/07
38 57 5
http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
The dems may suck, but the Repubs suck more. Its as simple as that.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:58 am#16 – These numbers are from http://www.pollingreport.com
Approval rating of Democrats in Congress – 38%
Approval rating of Republicans in Congress – 29%
Approval rating of Congress 22%
When asked for the 2008 election whether people are going to vote for a Republican or a Democrat, the Democrats continue to hold about a 10% lead.
One thing that I always find humorous about polls about Congress is the NIMBY group. When asked about members of Congress OUTSIDE of their district, they tend to say that everyone is terrible. When asked about THEIR representative, they tend to tell you how great the person is. How else would you account for people such as Tom Delay, or William Jefferson being re-elected while they were being indicted at the same time?
I don’t put a lot of credibility into the polls about Congress, unless they limit the polling to the actual district that the person is from.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:58 amCaptainMantaste,
October 9th, 2007 at 11:00 amHere is the current link:
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28741
For some reason you keep linking to an August poll.
Not on purpose, I hope. (eyes rolling)
More from the story Nevar referenced above.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:03 am
“But this is all moot. You can’t compare a poll about an individual with a poll about a multi-person entity, which I have already explained ad nauseum in past threads.â€
Are you saying that you can’t compare what Rush Limbaugh (individual) said to what MoveOn.org (multi-person entity) said?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Nice attempt at a complete strawman argument again by Corp. Mantastic!
The subjects of the comparisons (statements v. poll numbers) are completely incongruous and don’t relate in any way to the subject of the thread.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:06 am“I think we can unequivocally say that George W. Bush has secured himself a top-three spot on the “Worst Presidents of All Time†list.â€
What’s said is that democrats have proven twice (and are still proving today) that they don’t have anyone better to lead.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 10:59 am
What is said, and remains true, is that GW is one of the worst presidents EVER.
BTW, referencing elections decided by the Supreme Court doesn’t really build your case against Dems. Not that Democrats are even the issue of the thread but you just can’t seem to stay focused.
What can GW do to increase his poll numbers? Why are they so low to begin with? Why Mantastic? Why?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:10 amCaptain Mantastic
Interesting.
You do realize, that in making an argument for Bush to ignore poll numbers and to govern as he sees fit, that you have just made the exact same argument for Congress to do the same?
We’ll just ignore the voice of the people, right?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:13 amMy take on poll numbers are that they aren’t that significant in terms of effectiveness.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 11:08 am
The democratically controlled congress has an approval of only 18%.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 10:25 am
So why are you on this thread again?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:16 amCap’n Mantastic,
And if you don’t like DRxJ’s link, how about this one: http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=1600
And note the question being asked: Do you approve or disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:22 amNot “Democratically-controlled” Congress, but just “Congress”. It is you who added the party affiliation. But, as many observant posters have pointed out to you, the comparison to Presidential approval ratings is one of apples and oranges. The ONLY way that history will prove Bush was right is if Bush is allowed to write it.
32% are Born Again brain deads that will support their savior Bush.
It’s really that simple, they really are that simple.
The trolls understand the irrelevance of the Congress numbers and the reasons they are so low. The numbers are low because the Repugnicunts are more concerned about party than country. But a troll’s mission is an advocate for their party, not seekers of truth.
They could give a shit about reality, they want to protect their Chosen Idol.
At least they admit that the R’s don’t have a snowball’s chance in 09. Too bad they are such weak people that they will choose to support Bush for the next year. To the point of supporting his next vision of Armageddon, bombing Iran before he is kicked to the curb by real Americans.
Oh well, this is America and the weak kneed, piss soaked trolls have a right to cower in fear and give control of their life and liberties to an authority figure. The other 70% will take care of them, we promise.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:22 am“The subjects of the comparisons (statements v. poll numbers) are completely incongruous and don’t relate in any way to the subject of the thread.â€
Well, in one case you are making an apples to apples comparasion of MoveOn.org’s characterization of Petraeus (planned, reviewed and executed over weeks by a large fundraising democratic organization) with Limbaugh’s off the cuff, live characterization of phoney soldiers taken out of context.
32 percent: Bush’s job approval rating according to the latest Gallup poll. “That is slightly below his previous reading of 36% from mid-September, but is identical to his average approval score for all Gallup Polls conducted thus far in the second half of the year.â€
Like I said, moveon v. Rush has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread. Comparing polls of a collective entity and a singular person is somewhat relevant although the President’s actions are always subject to his final approval whereas the structure of Congress and the number of seats the Dems have to maintain “control” mean that whatever comes out of Congress is not necessarily a pure product of the Democratic leadership. So while it is nice the point out the part of Democratic control of Congress, the polls show equal displeasure with the Dems and the Repubs in that body.
Valiant effort to prove that when the minority party in Congress really digs its heels in, especially when there is a slim majority in play, that they can really hinder the effectiveness of Congress.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:22 ammissmolly.
“The most recent Gallup poll on Congress approval has that number at 24%.â€
No, it’s really 18%, here, check it out:
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28456
and also:
“But this is all moot. You can’t compare a poll about an individual with a poll about a multi-person entity, which I have already explained ad nauseum in past threads.â€
Are you saying that you can’t compare what Rush Limbaugh (individual) said to what MoveOn.org (multi-person entity) said?
I enjoy your reasonable posts, but I’m afraid progressives are trying to have it both ways on this issue. Just post both numbers and let us decide for ourselves.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 10:56 am
1) First, your 18% rating is from August. My 24% rating is from September. The October rating hasn’t been posted yet.
2) The Rush Limbaugh vs. MoveOn situation is entirely different. First, that one isn’t about poll number comparisons (if there were any polls taken regarding either incident, the numbers aren’t being used as debate points). Second, the criticism of both Rush Limbaugh and MoveOn isn’t about their performance in general, but of specific actions (a specific ad from MoveOn; a specific utterance from Limbaugh). If you are talking about specific actions, of course you can compare a specific action from an individual to a specific action from an multi-person entity. You’re comparing the actions, not the people behind them.
3) How are we trying to “have it both ways” just because we point out that comparing Bush’s approval to Congress approval is an apples and oranges deal? When you say “just post both numbers and let us decide for ourselves,” that basically means you just want to keep your straw man in place so you can continue to spin Bush’s dismal rating as “not so bad”.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:23 amCongressional approval ratings are ultra low because Bush is hated. Republicans when asked about the Democrat led Congress disapprove of it no matter what they do, because they are still the brain dead 32% dittoheads. And Democrats disapprove of it because it won’t face up to Bush. Thus, everyone hates Congress. If impeachment proceedings began against Bush, however, you would see the Congressional approval numbers rising to equal the 64% who hate Bush, which includes virtually every Democrat and Independent.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:25 am48,
Thanks Molly for point 2. I was trying to get that across myself!
October 9th, 2007 at 11:26 amAnyone have any ideas for locations of a Mt. Rushmore spin-off that could immortalize the most incompetent presidents of our history?
Let’s call it Mt. Bushandmore, locate it in a landfill near Crawford TX, and use resin encrusted bull excrement to make the busts. I seriously cannot immediately think who, besides Bush, should be included.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:31 amWell, since ThinkProgress reports on approval ratings about every three days, I want to make sure that this easy attack is put in context.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 11:25 am
I tend to agree that these are pretty routine “puff pieces” that TP does, and it basically serves to reinforce the majority opinion here that Bush has been horrible for the country.
However, when speaking of context, you’ve pointed to out-of-date poll numbers and have added your own emphasis to the fact the Congress is “controlled” by Dems, which is not the way your poll’s question was presented. (Ha! Some control! They don’t even have a veto-proof majority…)
In any event, these approval ratings pieces are more or less a waste of time. We all know Bush is a horrible President and an awful leader and we all know that Congress is so embroiled in partisanship that nothing of any substance will get done.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:31 am53 – Maybe Warren G Harding – but I hear that his poll numbers rocked! He was just corrupt.
But yea, I think that GW is at the top of the heap for sure!
October 9th, 2007 at 11:33 amThe truth is, his actions haven’t warranted an impeachment. That is something you should probable come to grips with.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Sorry, Cap’n, but it is you who must come to grips with the fact that many of Bush’s actions have risen to the level of “high crimes and misdemeanors”. Just because Bush’s handpicked lawyers are claiming he has done nothing illegal does not prove they have done nothing illegal. These people were chosen for their jobs for the very reason that they believe that everything Bush, as president, does is legal. Remember Nixon and his infamous, “If the president does it, that means it’s not illegal”? People who believe in that stupidity are the ones Bush is pointing to and saying, “See, my lawyers said it was okay.” Their defense is a classic tautology: It’s legal because we determine what is legal and illegal, and we say it’s legal.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:37 amMy take on poll numbers are that they aren’t that significant in terms of effectiveness. I look back in history an consider Truman (D) a very good president. At one point he enjoyed a 24% approval rating.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 11:08 am
Truman actually dipped down to 22% at one point, following his very unpopular decision to fire General MacArthur.
But the bigger point here is that while Truman has some low numbers, Bush hasn’t had an approval rating from the public in WELL OVER TWO YEARS! (and who knows now much longer than that — http://www.pollingreport.com only goes back that far).
Bush has gone longer than any other president having a majority of the country disapproving of the job he’s doing. This is a much bigger story than nitpicking about poll points going up or down a couple of notches each month. And you’re right — Bush still remains effective despite his long-running disapproval ratings. Effective at gutting the constitution, effective at destroying good will from the rest of the world, effective at trashing the value of the U.S. dollar, effective at running the U.S. debt to unprecedented levels, etc. etc.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:37 amAnyone have any ideas for locations of a Mt. Rushmore spin-off that could immortalize the most incompetent presidents of our history?
Let’s call it Mt. Bushandmore, locate it in a landfill near Crawford TX, and use resin encrusted bull excrement to make the busts. I seriously cannot immediately think who, besides Bush, should be included.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — October 9, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Hmmm…are we talking about incompetence or corruption? Or both?
I nominate Harding for corruption, Nixon for abuse of power, and Grant for incompetence. And Dubya for all three.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:40 amI guess it would be impolite to point out that polls like this truly are meaningless when one considers that most people are grossly misinformed about the facts and shouldn’t be rendering judgment on these issues in the first place. About the only useful information one can get out of polls like these (public opinion polls on politics) is that we need to do a better job of educating the public on the facts, despite the conservatives’ well-known aversion to them.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:42 ammissmolly. Okay, let’s put it this way. Do you feel that the 24% approval (I concede your point – thanks) of congress reflects negatively on the democrats ability to lead congress?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 11:34 am
I think the low poll number for Congress reflects a number of things. Conservative Americans don’t like having a Democratic majority (no matter how pencil-thin it is), because this provides more resistance to Bush’s policies than the roll-over 109th Congress did. Liberal Americans don’t like it that the Dems they elected to turn things around aren’t doing that. And everybody is sick and tired of the obstructionism that’s causing very little of value to be accomplished.
But even if Congress was running like a well-oiled machine instead of like a pig on stilts, it would still probably carry an approval rating of less than 50%. The number is almost always lower than 50%, because the people surveyed are making their evaluations based on Congress containing several members of a party they hate.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:48 am59 – I think that foursome sounds about right!
October 9th, 2007 at 11:50 amBush hasn’t had an approval rating from the public in WELL OVER TWO YEARS!
Comment by missmolly — October 9, 2007 @ 11:37 am
oops — I meant to say “approval rating higher than 50%.” My bad!
October 9th, 2007 at 11:53 amWayne, why aren’t democrats beginning impeachment proceedings?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I’ve asked myself that many times, and the only excuse that I could think of for why Speaker Pelosi opposes impeachment is because we have a situation in which both the president and vice president are guilty of impeachable offenses, and that if she pushes for impeachment (which is her constitutional obligation), it will be viewed as an attempt on her part to become president without being elected. BTW, it’s the Speaker of the House who is in charge, not the poltical party to which the Speaker happens to belong. The Democrats have their own leader, Steny Hoyer.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amThe truth is, his actions haven’t warranted an impeachment. That is something you should probable come to grips with.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Bush lied to the American public to get us into a war (repeatedly). Bush authorized illegal wiretapping and spying on Americans in violation of the fourth amendment. Bush advised his staffers to ignore subpoenas from Congress. Bush has refused to turn over White House records belonging to the public. Bush has acted to deny citizens their constitutional rights merely by identifying them as an “enemy combatant”. The list goes on and on.
Clinton was impeached because he lied about a blow job.
So tell us — do any of the actions above warrant impeachment? Either Bush’s or Clinton’s? If not, what kind of acts WOULD warrant impeachment?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIf only the Dem controlled congress could find a way to get there approval numbers as high as Bushes. Hell, if they could come close, that would be respectable.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:24 pmNow, they blame their ineffectiveness on obstruction.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — October 9, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Perhaps if you understood how the Senate works, you would see why the Democrats are saying the Republicans are obstructing them. It’s because they are. More so than in the House, the Senate can easily defy and ignore public opinion through such dishonest (though technically not unconstitutional) “rules” such as the “anonymous hold” on legislation. The Republicans in the Senate are using this tactic to thwart the will of the people.
Have a good work out at the gym. It helps the oxygen flow to the brain. :)
October 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIf only the Dem controlled congress could find a way to get there approval numbers as high as Bushes. Hell, if they could come close, that would be respectable.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 9, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Once we get a filibuster-proof, veto-proof majority in 2008 you will find Congress will operate a lot more smoothly.
Oh, and if you look at how the public views just the DEMOCRATS in Congress, their numbers are already higher than the presidents’.
The last poll to measure approval for Congressional Dems and Congressional Repubs was an ABC poll conducted Sept. 27 – 30. On that poll, Bush’s approval rating was 33% (http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm) and Congress’s approval rating (total) was 29% (http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm).
Here’s where it gets interesting. Approval for the Democrats in congress was at 38% (http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm), and approval for the Republicans is 29% (http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm).
Since the Democrats in Congress are polling five points higher than the president, does this make them respectable in your eyes, Roger?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pm>He is still twice as high as Congress.
Ha! Am i the first one to catch this? Yes, he is probably, on average about twice as high as the average congressman is… coke AND meth!
Ron, ever going to give us the name of your prescious school so we can see how much federal funding it got? Will you forgive us doubting thomas’s if we dont just take your word for it, and stuff?
October 10th, 2007 at 2:04 amI never ceases to amaze me how people argue that we should vote Democrat because the Republicans are evil or that we should vote Republican because the Democrats are evil.
If you actually look at the polls, what they’re saying is obvious: BOTH parties are wrong. If we truly have no alternative to a Democrat or Republican in the Whitehouse or a majority of congress, then we should stop pretending that we are a democracy, or a republic, or that our votes actually matter. It’s like watching children fighting about a toy.
Grow up…. both of you. It’s way past time to give you both a time-out.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pm