Rush Smears 12-Yr Old: ‘They Filled His Head With Lies Just As They Have Some Of These Soldiers’
Rush Smears 12-Yr Old: ‘They Filled His Head With Lies Just As They Have Some Of These Soldiers’
Yesterday, ThinkProgress noted the right wing has been orchestrating a coordinated effort to smear a 12 year old recipient of SCHIP. These conservatives have been propagating baseless “facts” to suggest that young Graeme Frost was actually a rich kid being pampered by the government.
Rush Limbaugh has joined in the smear campaign. On his radio show yesterday, Rush introduced his hit job on Graeme by saying, “I had some rudimentary information on this two weeks ago, and it wasn’t enough for me to trust going with. But since then, it has been verified, and most of it’s been verified by a ‘Freeper’ at Free Republic.” Apparently, a posting by a “freeper” is all Rush needs for confirmation.
Rush proceeded to recycle the myths that Graeme and his sister must be fat-cat recipients of government welfare because they attend “one of Baltimore’s expensive private schools” and own a house in a decent neighborhood. As we noted yesterday, Graeme has a scholarship to the private school. His sister’s tuition is covered by the state due to her brain injuries, and the house was purchased for $55,000 in 1991 when the neighborhood was not as safe as it is today.
Limbaugh then tried to draw a parallel between Graeme and his “phony soldiers” remark:
So the bottom line for me is: They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. Be it about me, be it about their own voters (such as the Frosts) be it about President Bush, they must lie — and anybody who stands in the way of their succeeding with that lie becomes an enemy, becomes a target. That’s where I and my buddies in talk radio come in. We are a thorn in their side because we represent the truth they are trying to hide, the truth that they are lying about, and they have to do something about it — and they have to do that by lying. [...]
They send the kid out to lie. They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me. Put lies in the kid’s head or put it on the script that he’s reading. He goes out and reads it. He’s 12-years-old! They will use anybody! They’ll corrupt anybody, to get where they’re headed. That’s who they are, folks.
Listen to it:
The real “bottom line” is: Rush propagates baseless information from a “freeper” to attack a 12-year old, fails to determine the facts for himself, and then accuses others of not being able to “rely on truth to make their case.”
When right-wingers attack soldiers who disagree with them on Iraq or kids who disagree with them on health care, that is indeed where Rush and his “hate radio” buddies “come in.” The right-wing attack machine personally assaults anyone for daring to disagree.
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October 9th, 2007 at 11:22 amI'll be more than happy to disagree. As Al Franken, who is running for Norma Coleman's Senate seat here in MN so wisely said...
'Rush Limpballs is a big fat liar'
Kids, soldiers; what's next, oh brave one, elderly women?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:22 amBAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Gunfire from a private security convoy on Tuesday killed two Iraqi women traveling in a car in Baghdad, Interior Ministry sources told CNN.
Although the name of the security firm was not yet released, one of the ministry officials described it as a "Western private security company."
Off topic, but worth noting. Which company could it be, I wonder?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:23 amI guess that makes him a "phony patient".
October 9th, 2007 at 11:24 amYahoo! The rusher has just done what everyone has predicted he would;smear a child. AND .... he also has validated the fact he was talking about any soldier who speaks out against the Iraq quagmire. But the dittoheads and Dumbf@ck Repug sheeple, will keep listening and following him off the cliff of un-truth and false-reality.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:24 amFleghmball is such the tough guy!
October 9th, 2007 at 11:24 amNeedless to say, I agree with Rush on this one.
Comment by Rory — October 9, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Of course you do. Why bother even posting that bit of irrelevance?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:25 amHey Rory, gotta suck to still be supporting that drug-addled ED-disabled slob, doesn't it?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:26 amI'm going to post the entire Graeme transcript because I sure don't see what lies Graeme told. Maybe Rushbo can be more specific.
Anyone see lies there? Maybe Rush thinks it was a phony car accident.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:26 amhe had to start attacking this kid - Chelsea Clinton is too old now to be defenseless...
October 9th, 2007 at 11:26 amRory, since you agree with Rush that this kid lied, can you point out the lies from the transcript? Thanks in advance.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:27 amThe kid's not an embryo so he doesn't deserve saving. He's also not old enough to slap into a military uni so he's of no use to the govt. What good is he?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:28 amRush just needs material for his show, so why not smear a 12 year old? It's par for the course for him. After all, he can't talk about his Fuhrer, who has proven to the entire world that he's just a failed liar and piece of excrement.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:28 amIt would be cool, though, if the Frosts could get guvmint-funded education vouchers.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:30 amRush informs another young boy that he's off the SChip ... but soon to be on his lap!
http://www.bartcop.com/rush-boy.JPG
October 9th, 2007 at 11:31 amThe boy turned 12 and so Rush no longer has any use for him. But he would have been delighted to meet him in a motel room in the Dominican Republic a couple of years ago, however. He would have "smeared" him in a different way.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:33 amThey can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. [...] and anybody who stands in the way of their succeeding with that lie becomes an enemy, becomes a target.
A good example of the psychological phenomenon known as "projection."
October 9th, 2007 at 11:35 amThese right-wingers slay me
October 9th, 2007 at 11:36 am"...suggest that young Graeme Frost was actually a rich kid being pampered by the government."
What? Too young to be pampered by the government? Is that reserved for billionaire old white men who own factory farms, defense companies, "military" contractors, Halliburton? There's plenty of government pampering going on -- but not to people who need or deserve it.
Thanks for the post Candyce. Great question for Rory also.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:37 amGood god. What a loathesome piece of sh*t. Rush missed his calling - he should have been the Kommandant at Auschwitz.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:37 am"So the bottom line for me is: They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. Be it about me, be it about their own voters (such as the Frosts) be it about President Bush, they must lie — and anybody who stands in the way of their succeeding with that lie becomes an enemy, becomes a target. That’s where I and my buddies in talk radio come in. We are a thorn in their side because we represent the truth they are trying to hide, the truth that they are lying about, and they have to do something about it — and they have to do that by lying. […]"
This is textbook projection.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:38 amRush and the Republicans have filled the American people's heads full of lies for years and years, but now he has a problem with it.
The Republicans own the misinformation game.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:38 amBush is a "phony recovered addict", because he has to be stoned out of his gourd to smear kids and to keep on smearing soldiers.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:39 amAnyone see lies there? Maybe Rush thinks it was a phony car accident.
Comment by Candyce — October 9, 2007 @ 11:26 am
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Brilliant!
October 9th, 2007 at 11:39 amThe #1 difference between the right and left is the right's lack of emptahy for authentic human suffering.
“I believe that the lack of empathy shown by Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Kristol, and, yes, Mr. Bush is genuine, not feigned. […] What’s happening, presumably, is that modern movement conservatism attracts a certain personality type. [...] If you think ridicule is an appropriate response to other peoples’ woes, you fit right in. […] If you’re poor or you’re sick or you don’t have health insurance, remember this: these people think your problems are funny."
Paul Krugman
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 10/ 05/ opinion/ 05krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
October 9th, 2007 at 11:39 am"Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales... The answer is to find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." - Rush Limbaugh... hypocrite.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:39 amfunny stuff coming from a guy who calls his followers "ditto heads".
October 9th, 2007 at 11:42 amNeedless to say, I agree with Rush on this one.
Comment by Rory — October 9, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Then, why say it?
And to you and Rush I challenge you to provide a list of verifiable facts for your condemnation of this kid and his family. Of course, facts are something you both really find "needless to say" - never mind.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:44 amRory, since you agree with Rush that this kid lied, can you point out the lies from the transcript? Thanks in advance.
Comment by Candyce — October 9, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Rory? Um....Rory? Hello.....?
Chickenshit.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:44 amNeedless to say, I agree with Rush on this one.
Comment by Rory — October 9, 2007 @ 11:23 am
of course you do, neocon.
---- SWEET NEO CON (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards)
October 9th, 2007 at 11:44 amThe dems use phony soldiers and phony 12 years old.
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 11:38 am
that is rich. Phony evidence to invade a country and thousands have died. Phony fear of same sex marriage to inflame a non issue. Phony morality abounds with republicans.
You follow a fool
October 9th, 2007 at 11:44 amDoesn't this family have any legal recourse against Limbaugh? This sounds like slander to me.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:45 amWe need to end this entitlement metality now, before we bankraupt the government.
If socialistic, government-mandated-and-funded health care is good enough for members of Congress, why not all Americans?
Universal health care will inevitably arrive in America, when corporate interests who favor it (i.e., automakers, service industries) outweigh corporate interests that oppose it (i.e., insuerance companies).
October 9th, 2007 at 11:46 amThe dems use phony soldiers and phony 12 years old.
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Zionist-Crusader has a phony brain.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:46 amIt's difficult to quantify the hatred I feel for that man.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:47 amRush says, that boy was a phony 12 yr old.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:48 amWe need to end this entitlement metality now, before we bankraupt the government.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Before you bankrupt the country? Get real. The pittance being spent on programs like this don't come close to comparing with the cash being spent in Iraq right now. Hell, it doesn't even compare to the money being lost in Iraq. Couple that with the tax breaks to the wealthy & there's your "bankrupting the govt". You're nickel & diming the poor while giving the rich huge breaks by way of noncompetitive contracts, tax breaks & huge checks for no services. Why is it that Reps pinch every penny that goes to the poor but don't mind the billions going to the wealthy & corporations?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:48 amWhy is it that Reps pinch every penny that goes to the poor but don’t mind the billions going to the wealthy & corporations?
To Republicans, capitalism is for the poor, socialism is for the rich.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:49 amcaption:
"9 over par? This is a phony course!"
October 9th, 2007 at 11:50 amWe need to end this entitlement metality now, before we bankraupt the government.
Comment by ARealAmerican
Hmmmmm.... any guess as to whether or not this person also supports cutting funding for the War or not??? Oh, wait. That's a different sort of entitlement mentality, not based on charity, but on greed. So it's a better way of bankrupting the government.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:51 amTo Republicans, capitalism is for the poor, socialism is for the rich.
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 9, 2007 @ 11:49 am
I don't get the idea that the average Rep voter is a member of the "rich". I guess they're stupid enough to believe they too will be taken care of someday. It hasn't happened in almost 7 years but govt fairness, like victory in Iraq, must be just around the next corner.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:51 am#30 Then you must agree that we need to end corporate welfare: oil subsidies, farm subsidies even Wal-Mart, the nation's larges business received $1B in subsidies. How about airline bail-outs? You know, before we bankrupt the country.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:52 amPresident Bush is 61, what's his excuse for lying about the SCHIP bill raising eligibility for the program to households making $83,000 (not in the bill, any waivers for income limits still have to be approved by the Administration).
And why was Bush all for spending hundreds of billions on prescription drug insurance to seniors, but cheaper health insurance for kids is some kind of "creeping socialism"?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:52 amActually, the #1 difference between the right and left in this country is that the right believes in protecting innocent life, such as unborn babies and the infirm, and in destroying evil, such as murderers, rapists, and terrorists. The left believes in protecting evil and in destroying innocent and defenseless life. It is pretty cut-and-dry. Any questions?
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:51 am
That seems to contradict the point of this article doesn't it? How is the right protecting innocent life by trashing this 12 year old?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:53 amPelosi and Reid sure are doing a good job of punking the Republic Party on health care. It's an issue that all Americans care deeply about, and GOP members of Congress are gonna have to split with Bush or their anti-CHIP votes are really gonna sting at election time.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amNice. Rush has fallen so low that he has to attack a 12 year old and call him a liar.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amSounds like slander to me. I think Graeme should sue Rush. Wouldn't it be great if a 12 year old stood up to Rush to say - "No More Lies about me Rush!"
Whenever the right wing is on the defensive, they accuse the left wing of doing exactly what they are doing. When the right wing is dishonest, they accuse of being dishonest. When the right wing is spending money like it's going out of style, they accuse of the left wing of tax and spend. When the right wing is caught draft dodging, they accuse the left wing of getting phony medals. Ad nauseum.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:54 am"Rush proceeded to recycle the myths that Graeme and his sister must be fat-cat recipients of government welfare because they attend “one of Baltimore’s expensive private schools†and own a house in a decent neighborhood. "
As if it would be difficult to come up with thousands of children who do not attend a private school and who do not live in a decent neighborhood. Therefore, the program is really not needed.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amWhen faced with truth, call them liars. Typical Repukian Fascist Propaganda at its worst.
Black is White, war is peace, ignorance is security, thruth is a lie, opposition is being phony.
Go figure, it's 1984 again.
Buck Fush
October 9th, 2007 at 11:55 amHiya Zooey! How's school coming? Google dc protest sept 29 2007-photos on flickr. check it out. look for me, I'm the one with the veteran for peace sign.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:56 amWe need to end this entitlement metality now, before we bankraupt the government.
And yet, we can spend 1.5 billion a week on a stupid war in Iraq and these guys don't bat an eye.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:56 amYou can hardly make the claim that this 12 year old pawn being used by the socialists to further their agenda is innocent.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Of course he's innocent. He's a representative of a benefactor of a program that Bush wants to limit. What is he guilty of, since you say he's not innocent? How is it socialism for the poor to want the same kind of govt health insurance that the politicians get?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:57 amWe need to end this entitlement metality now, before we bankraupt the government.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:43 am
If one had some modicum of sense they may be fooled into believeing that "ARealAmerican" was speaking out against the government's penchant for no-bid, cost plus contracts given out to the major donors to the Bush administration.
If "ARealAmerican" had sense...the possibilities are staggering.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:57 amLimpdick has sunk to the bottom, smearing a 12 year old. Need any more proof that conservatives are pukes?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:58 amYou can hardly make the claim that this 12 year old pawn being used by the socialists to further their agenda is innocent.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:54 am
One can hardly make the claim that you have any critical thinking skills at all.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:58 amcorrection... benefactor = beneficiary
October 9th, 2007 at 11:58 amYou can hardly make the claim that this 12 year old pawn being used by the socialists to further their agenda is innocent.
You are behaving exactly like the Krugman quote says: "If you think ridicule is an appropriate response to other peoples’ woes, you fit right in."
Again demonstrating rightwingers' inability to empathize with genuine suffering. What a bunch of soulless, subhuman sh*tbags.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:59 amTP -
Dump the trolls. Do we have to listen to a moron call a 12 year old guilty of furthering a socialist agenda?
Come on - what is this sh*t?
October 9th, 2007 at 11:59 amThe New List of Republican Dislikes:
Children
October 9th, 2007 at 11:59 amPuppies
Kittens
Rainbows
Unicorns
I’m no fool. The dems have brainwashed you fools.
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Proof?
Link?
Anything?
...
Bueller?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:02 pmRush is losing credibility. It used to be he was the first to attack someone maliciously. Anchor baby Malkin beat him to it this time and he's pissed!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:02 pmRush wouldn't the truth unless it came in the form of a table of hillbilly heroin
October 9th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI’m the one with the veteran for peace sign.
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 9, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Hi, Uncle Ho. School is driving me insane this semester, but I'll get through it. :)
I shall use "the Google."
October 9th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThis is the desperation and the true nature of the Friedman "profit over everything" mentality. the human cost is meaningless. This bastard attacks one child and family here in America and we are outraged, but he is literally begging to launch another "Shock and Awe" campaign on the children of Iran....
October 9th, 2007 at 12:05 pmThese people are monsters. Driven by nothing but greed and self gratification. Rush is a water carrying apologist and sympathiser for the CFR Imperial Regime. We must draw a line in the sand before it is too late and we find ourselves living on the wrong side of the American Green Zone.
Proof?
Link?
Anything?
…
Bueller?
Comment by Luis M — October 9, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Give him time! He needs to find a freeper.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:05 pmI’m no fool. The dems have brainwashed you fools.
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Once you have to explain that you are not a fool, it's too late.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:05 pmBy then Everyone knows for sure.
This 12 isn’t the one to blame, it’s the dems who phonied him up.
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Thank you, oh crusader. Laughter is good for the soul. How, exactly, has this boy been phonied up?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:07 pmThis is war now. Everytime someone speaks up for the Democrats, they're smeared by the right. No exceptions.
Time to drop Rush from Armed Forces Radio Network. Dems, are you going to fight back yet? I don't want my tax dollars going to pay for his broadcast.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIt's fine for Bush to use babies as props when vetoing the stem cell research bill but dems can't use a 12-year old to aid in the heath care bill. How come they can do it be we can't?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:09 pmadded to the Republican dislike list:
flowers
October 9th, 2007 at 12:09 pmbutterflies
Sara Lee
I probably have a higher IQ than about 70%
Based on my experience, people who boast about their IQ aren't half as smart as they think they are.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:10 pmI know that this 12 year old is being manipulated by the socialists.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Terror and the New Red Scare!!!
brought to you by "ARealAmerican"
October 9th, 2007 at 12:10 pmThey send the kid out to lie. They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me. Put lies in the kid’s head or put it on the script that he’s reading. He goes out and reads it. He’s 12-years-old! They will use anybody! They’ll corrupt anybody, to get where they’re headed. That’s who they are, folks.
They = 70% of the US who knows you are a prostitute for war profiteering.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:11 pmI believe there's a saying: "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!"
But apparently, if you're a morally bankrupt neocon watercarrier, the saying goes more like: "If you find yourself in a hole, keep on digging until you emerge in China."
October 9th, 2007 at 12:11 pmComment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Again, could you please clarify where the child lied and why you are defending Rush's smear of this kid? Where was his lie?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:12 pmNeedless to say, I agree with Rush on this one.
Comment by Rory — October 9, 2007 @ 11:23 am
I believe you would agree with Rush if he advocated the extermination of all left-handed people.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:12 pm#46 do you honestly believe that the Republican party actually gives a F**K about the unborn? They don't truly want abortion made illegal, they truly don't want to end it. They only want it to hang around for fundraising and vote raising purposes. How can I reach this conclusion? Easy. During the last six years when they had control of everything they were able to have a major terrorist attack on our soil and not investigate it independently. They were able to invade a sovereign nation posing no threat to our country. They were able to essentially legalize torture and government sanctioned kidnapping. They were able to establish a secret prison system. They were able to break many long standing treaties with their novel thinking process. They essentially ended the notion of habeus corpus and have put justices on the SC who do not believe in precedent. They have made listening to citizens phone calls without a warrant or probable cause acceptable. They have established a new class of individuals who are not accountable under US or any other laws. They have broken the budget. They have ended the notion of competitive bidding. They lost an entire US city and shrugged their shoulders. They broke down the barriers between the church and government. Yadda Yadda Yadda, and they have made all of this perfectly palatable to their supporters as well as getting all of it passed easily. You think that overturning abortion would have been an easy issue for them yet they never even tried. All this makes me believe 100% that they only keep the issue around for political purposes because if abbortion was illegal then many of those supporters would have no reason to support the right. It is all part of their market segmentation approach to gaining votes. After the votes are tallied they go right back to their regualr agenda though.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:12 pmFox got "dupped," huh?
I guess that's the new meme.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:12 pmJust like Michael J. Fox got dupped into doing that ad in Missouri. Another pathos-based advertisement based on half-truths.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
You mean Michael J. Fox only has half of Parkinson's Syndrome?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:13 pmdems are stuppid -- Comment by Zionist-Crusade
I like your way with words, Jughead.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:14 pmGregM, that's a phony syndrome and you know it.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:14 pmdems are stuppid
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Ohhhh, the irony....
October 9th, 2007 at 12:14 pmNotaRealAmerican - you have been brainwashed with the Repukian Fascist Propaganda Machine, oh wait, you're not smart enough to know that, sorry, carry on your Fascist Pig Talking Points.
Buck Fush
October 9th, 2007 at 12:14 pmdems are stuppid
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
What a moran.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI probably have a higher IQ than about 70% of the people on this blog.
Comment by ARealAmerican
Oh, yeah, your posts really reflect that.
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off for a few hours, after reading your inane posts.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmSeverus - good call on post 87.
Since the right has been co-opted by the soulless neocon corpo-facists we've truly seen how they trot out ethics and morals for election time and election time only.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmComment by Candyce — October 9, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Great post, Candyce. I would like Rush or any of his numerous supporters to point out which statement Graeme made that was false.
So the bottom line for me is: They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie.
I think a psychiatrist familiar with Limbaugh's work could tell you that this is a classic case of projection. What Rush said is true, but of conservatives like him. They know that if they tell the whole truth (such as, for example, they want lower taxes because they are greedy and selfish) that they won;t win any arguments, so they resort to lies and falsehoods to win the day (such as cutting taxes for the wealthiest Americans will mean more jobs for the rest of us because the rich will have more money to invest, which supposedly creates jobs. Actually, they'll just keep most of what the government gives them back or pass it on to their grandchildren.)
October 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe trolls in here are parroting the spin that it looks bad to attack the 12 year old, so they are now going after the "socialists" that "manipulated" them.
Yes. That's "critical thinking". Congrats to you upper 70 percentile boy.
But let me explain to you, you simple-minded little Free-Market apologist: you will never be what you hope to be, in that little 1% club with the Rushs' and the Bushs'. You are being played, idiot. You are being made the sucker once again. By time you realise that they never had any intention of letting you sycophants in their club, it will be too late. They will force you to pay insurance that you can't afford and you can't use, when you need it. They will check your "papers" just like everyone else's. They know a pathetic suck-up when they see one. Just like us.
So you keep on with that idiotic line that you think for yourself while you repeat the talking points for the cause. You keep thinking you will be one of the chosen few... you keep telling yourself that just as long as you possibly can.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmdems are stuppid
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Okay, seriously, who are you? My hat's off to your humor, sir.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pmdems are stuppid
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Oh, the irony....
Man, these trolls have me laughing so hard this morning.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:17 pmARealAmerican, how do you feel about corporate welfare?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:18 pmSo you keep on with that idiotic line that you think for yourself while you repeat the talking points for the cause. You keep thinking you will be one of the chosen few… you keep telling yourself that just as long as you possibly can.
Comment by willyloman — October 9, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Absolutely fantastic, willy.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:18 pmYet another symptom of leftist, socialist, elitism: shout down anyone with an opposing opinion or belief, and call them them names. So much for the free speech that you hold so dear.
Comment by ARealAmerican
This is the whole psychological problem the right has in a nutshell. He's posting this statement under a thread about the rightwing attacking and trying to intimidate a 12-year old boy for advocating a political belief. The dementia is really stunning.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:18 pm100 - Ouch Willy! Don't hurt the poor child!!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:19 pmIt's the new republican sport. Kicking children. It's fun. It's easy. What's not to love. Vietnam vets, soldiers, and now little sick children.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pmComment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Banging your head on that wall has got to hurt.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pmBush is the greatest President ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Wow. One more "ever" and you might have had me....
October 9th, 2007 at 12:22 pmSo, what you are saying is that if John Kerry had been elected President, Hurricane Katrina would NOT have hit New Orleans?
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Just how high an IQ are you claiming to have?
bwahahahahaha
October 9th, 2007 at 12:22 pm#
They lost an entire US city and shrugged their shoulders.
Comment by Severus — October 9, 2007
So, what you are saying is that if John Kerry had been elected President, Hurricane Katrina would NOT have hit New Orleans?
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Reading comprehension is something that some of us here at ThinkProgress may take for granted. If we study this example closely, we can see how simple disconnects in our ability to comprehend ideas expressed by the written word can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings!
ACTUALLY ARA...I believe that the poster here may have insinuated that a Kerry presidency wouldn't have flown merely flown over NO while his good ol' buddy Brownie completely botched FEMA's response to one of the most devastating natural disasters we've experienced in recent memory. I don't think anyone here thinks that John Kerry can control the weather...although I wouldn't put it past his wife.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pmBush is the worst President ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
October 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pmActually, the #1 difference between the right and left in this country is that the right believes in protecting innocent life, such as unborn babies and the infirm, and in destroying evil, such as murderers, rapists, and terrorists. The left believes in protecting evil and in destroying innocent and defenseless life. It is pretty cut-and-dry. Any questions?
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:51 am
I have to disagree with you. I believe that the #1 difference between the right and the left in this country is that while we all agree that the world is a dangerous place, the right believes that it always will be and that you must destroy those who diasagree with you, while the left believes that the world can be made a better place if we all just learn to drop our ignorant prejudices and actually learn the truth about one another. The right wants to tell you who you should fear, while the left wants to tell you who you should love. The right wants you to hide in a corner in fear, while the left wants you to come out and see for yourself what is happening. The right wants you to shut up and obey those in authority, while the left feels that good ideas don't always come just from the people in charge and that any good idea is worth paying attention to regardless of who it comes from. The left believes in attacking a bad idea on its lack of merit, while the right believes in attacking the person giving the message regardless of its veracity.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:25 pm#103 is that what I said? I said they shrugged their shoulders,, implying that the city was lost and the republican controlled administration did not care. Katrina was going to hit regardless of who was in office. Only republican sympathizers make the claim that dems blame Bush for Katrina or that Dems claim Katrina would not have hit had Kerry been in office. The big difference would have been that the government would have responded to Katrina in a manner similar to how they responded to the three Hurricanes that hit Florida (a battleground state) ion 2004 (an election year). But since Louisiana and NO are Democrat states we got the response we got. Of course you do a nice job of diverting attention away from my premise that the Republican party does not truly care about the unborn, they only care about the issue.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhat I don’t want is a bunch of parasites taking ever more of my hard-earned dollars through federal entitlement programs. This is America. It is every man for himself. It has made us the most powerful and industrious nation in the history of this planet. I can live with it. I am self-sufficient. I don’t need government handouts. If I am ever in need, I have friends, family, and charity to help me out. If you can’t live with it, and you can’t make your way in life on your own two feet, then go to Canada and Western Europe with the rest of the socialists and pay 60% income tax.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
If you're truly concerned about govt spending you should be bashing Bush for emptying the treasury on his buddies... not the poor.
I live in Canada, make a lot more cash then you do, have healthcare and pay 35% tax. Apparently my education was superior as well.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmPlease please please people. Before you "rush" to conclusions about why Rush Limpo relies on evidence just sitting on his chair, aren't you forgetting something. "THE BIG CYST ON HIS BATOOTY DOES NOT ALLOW HIM TO MOVE AROUND MUCH". Doctors only allow him to travel to certain exotic resorts with men on a private aircraft with a bagload of Viagra.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmSo you keep on with that idiotic line that you think for yourself while you repeat the talking points for the cause. You keep thinking you will be one of the chosen few… you keep telling yourself that just as long as you possibly can.
Comment by willyloman — October 9, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Well said, willy.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pmUniversal health care will inevitably arrive in America, when corporate interests who favor it (i.e., automakers, service industries) outweigh corporate interests that oppose it (i.e., insuerance companies).
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 9, 2007 @ 11:46 am
And considering how the weight of health care costs for employees gets heavier and heavier each year for corporations, that day may not be far off. Many smaller companies can no longer offer their employees health care insurance at all, or they can offer a group plan where the employee pays 100% of the premiums themselves.
Like it or not, Americans are already paying for the health care of others. Not through taxes, but through higher prices for goods and services. When you buy a Ford Taurus, you are paying more for the health care of the Ford employees who made the car than you are paying for the steel that went into the car. And it will get worse.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pmAs usual, Rush is right, and you would rather talk about him than your own candidates and congressmen.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:28 pmI am self-sufficient.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
You maintain an extensive garden? Do you own a car?
You aren't self-sufficient, and until you actually realize that you will continue to promote policies that reinforce your "every man for himself" delusion. Every citizen, his or her well-being, in the country has some sort of effect on us all. Socialism is one thing, and by the sounds of your arguments is one thing that you haven extremely poor grasp of. Providing health care for children is a completely different thing and your lack of depth and compassion concerning this topic says a lot about your character.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:28 pm#113, sadly you fail to nocite the parasites in thhe rpeublicna party who have treated their business supporters as if government spennding and contracts are an entitlement program for them.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:28 pmLike it or not, Americans are already paying for the health care of others.
Comment by missmolly — October 9, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Where do you get off trying to inject truth into a discussion concerning Conservative philosophy? Blasphemer!!!
/snark
October 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pm#113, sadly you fail to nocite the parasites in thhe rpeublicna party who have treated their business supporters as if government spennding and contracts are an entitlement program for them.
Comment by Severus
But they are his friends!!!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#87 - well said!!
And they call *us* stupid....
October 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmLiberals fully support free speech. But a troll's only purpose is to disrupt the converstion here at a liberal website. The fact that they're here speaks volumes. They're afraid of this little 12 year old and those of us that support him.
And they know the GOP is the party who likes to f*ck kids. When they're not molesting them.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmI am self-sufficient.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
You mentioned in an earlier post that the right is concerned with protecting innocents, but by this post it really sounds like you're just looking out for yourself.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThis is Rush's general M.O. Rush cannot rebut reasonable ideas, so he has to discredit the person voicing them. His favorite way of doing this is to imply that 1) the person is a complete idiot, and 2) because the person is brainless, he/she has been duped by others. Not only has Rush employed this technique on Graeme Frost, but he also used it on Brian McGough.
Discrediting people is SOOOO much easier than discrediting talking points! And, of course, all the dittoheads just lap it up.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWow, the trolls on this are so idiotic that I really don't think I will take the time to point out their stupidity.
They are writing their own punchlines - Todays top ten stuPPid troll quotes.
1. dems are stuppid
2. Bush is the greatest President ever ever.....
3. I probably have a higher IQ than about 70%....
4. Just like Michael J. Fox got dupped into doing that ad...
5. left believes in protecting evil and in destroying innocent and defenseless life
6. this 12 year old is being manipulated by the socialists.
7. The dems use phony soldiers and phony 12 years old.
8. Needless to say, I agree with Rush on this one.
9. Yet another symptom of leftist, socialist, elitism
10. before we bankraupt the government.
Stupid is as stuPPid does.
Buck Fush
October 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmThis is America. It is every man for himself. It has made us the most powerful and industrious nation in the history of this planet.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
That's your problem right there. This statement is so flawed as to almost be laughable. This country was not founded on the principle of "every man for himself", not by a long shot. Have you read the U.S. Constitution? It begins, "We the People...", not "We the Individuals Looking Out For Ourselves." If this country truly was about "every man for himself", then why would corporations bother to merge with one another? Why would people enter into contracts with each other? Why would we even have social institutions like churches or professional sports teams if everyone was only looking out for himself? Your "argument" is inherently flawed.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmI think ARealAmerican is off somewhere in his basement fighting the socialist scourge!!!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:33 pmIf dems had any moral decency at all, they would be republicans
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Could you please enlighten us with your definition of "moral decency"? Please, please, please tell us it doesn't just have to do with preventing gays from having sex.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:34 pmIf dems had any moral decency at all, they would be republicans
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Do you have a gig at Zanies coming up? You are too funny.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:34 pmYour “argument†is inherently flawed.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — October 9, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
ARealAmerican was forced to pull out all the classic desperation moves trying to defend his buddy Rush...I almost feel pity for him...he must've furiously pounded out his rallying cry for Cons everywhere only to spew some incoherent and contradictory jabber about how he's selfish and all that.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:36 pmTo state the obvious: universal health care will inevitably arrive in America. It will occur when corporate interests who favor it (i.e., automakers, service industries) outweigh corporate interests that oppose it (i.e., insurance companies). It's about saving America's competetiveness in world markets, and eventually even the GOP will come around. We already have functioning government mandated and funded health care members of Congress, for veterans, for the poor and the elderly, so all the screeching about "socialistic" medicine is just noise that serves only interests of the for-profit health insurance business.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:36 pmIf dems had any moral decency at all, they would be republicans
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
wow, all the trolls have a fresh batch of "Stupid Pills" this morning.
Hey ZC, how about your hero Sen. "Tappy McWideStance" Craig. Now there is an icon of Republican "moral decency" if there ever was one.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:39 pmThe free market will see to that.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
12 Year Old Boy: (In response to hearing about the proposed S-CHIP program) The Socialists are coming! The Socialists are coming!
ARealAmerican: (Enter screen right, dressed in Capt.America garb) Fear not lad!!! The forces of free market will separate the wheat from the chaffe and make sure that only those worthy of reaping the benefits of its splendor will survive!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:39 pmARealAmerican thinks he's a true patriot, but he's merely a flag humper.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:42 pmhe’s merely a flag humper.
Comment by Zooey — October 9, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
LMAO...I wonder if hearing Taps gets his patriotic fervor really cooking?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:43 pmOn topic,
I couldn't expect any less from that walking, talking smear machine that Rush Limbaugh is.
Stooping as low as to denigrate the soldiers currently in service and a 12yo is beyond the pale.
"Conservatives" support the troops and want to protect the children as long as they shut up and pose for the photo op, and help further the neo-con agenda.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pmARealAmerican thinks he’s a true patriot, but he’s merely a flag humper.
Comment by Zooey — October 9, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
lmao
October 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pmThe free market will see to that.
It takes a special faculty for willful ignorance to believe that the free market can be relied on to efficiently allocate public goods, like national defense, fire protection, police protection, and health care.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI am self-sufficient. I don’t need government handouts.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Cool, use your money to pay for the illegal war in Iraq that is creating more terrorists bent on attacking the USA every day. I'm tired of my taxes paying for your mistake.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pmKids, soldiers; what’s next, oh brave one, elderly women?
Comment by Zimzone — October 9, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Oh, he's probably smeared Helen Thomas a few times over the years. And he probably supports clubbing baby seals so.........maybe puppies or kittens? Baby ducks?
EIB=Excrement In Broadcasting
October 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pmImpotent Rush got busted with a phoney prescription for viagra. It belonged to someone else.
The story is, he likes to take along some viagra when he's vacationing in countries that allow sex with little boys. Uh oh. I think he's got a crush on this poor 12 year old kid. Call the authorities!
Gee, and I wonder how he got that cyst on his ass?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:49 pmmoral decency, Republicans(oxymoron)
too funny. LMFAO!!!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:51 pmRush Limpbaugh is a FAT COWARD! You didn't see him fighting in Viet Nam did you? He's a coward who like to fight with other people's children. He has no right attacking children, but that's what Republicans do. Come on my misguided Republican friend defend this
October 9th, 2007 at 12:51 pmIf dems had any moral decency at all, they would be republicans
Comment by Zionist-Crusader — October 9, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
If Republicans had any moral decency, they wouldn't be Republicans.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:53 pm.
Why do the NeoCon propagandists that parade as journalists hate Americans?
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October 9th, 2007 at 12:53 pmmoral decency, Republicans(oxymoron)
too funny. LMFAO!!!
Comment by Uncle Ho
OxyMoron? Rush is addicted to OxyContin! He used to pick it up at a Denny's parking lot 3 miles from his house.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:55 pmGee, and I wonder how he got that cyst on his ass?
Comment by RagingGurrl — October 9, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
It was congenital, and while it kept Rush from serving in Vietnam, it didn't stop his father from serving in WWII.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:55 pmThe boy turned 12 and so Rush no longer has any use for him. But he would have been delighted to meet him in a motel room in the Dominican Republic a couple of years ago, however. He would have “smeared†him in a different way.
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — October 9, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Yet another evil attempt by a liberal dem to spread lies about Rush. If you weren't so far gone in Rush-hatred you'd admit that he really went to the Dominican Republic to have sex with 12 year old girls.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI just wanna point out again, what a great job Pelosi and Reid are doing smacking the GOP around on health care. It's an issue most Americans care deeply about, and GOP members of Congress, if they want to keep their jobs, are gonna have to split with the White House on this. That's a first, and it bodes well for the Dems' effort to reign in Bush's Iraq fiasco.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pmGee, and I wonder how he got that cyst on his ass?
Comment by RagingGurrl — October 9, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Well, actually I tend to think of him as a cyst on my ass.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAre you libs real???? UNBELIEVABLE!!
Comment by John Kerry — October 9, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Are you really John Kerry? UNBELIEVABLE!!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pmWe need to end this entitlement metality now, before we bankraupt the government.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Ummm... Mr "RealAmerican"?? ** cough cough**
3/4 of the current Fed deficit was run up by THREE presidents - Reagan and the 2 Bushes... you need to get a better talking point, or people are just going to keep making fun of you... and giving you psychic wedgies..
October 9th, 2007 at 12:59 pm'this is America. It is every man for himself."-comment by ARealAmerican
folks, what we have here is the TRUE face of "compassionate conservatism"
October 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pmi got to kitty's comment (#19) and had to say something. she (?) hit the nail on the head. who should the govt take of first? the rich or the poor? i am sick of tired of hearing the conservatives give a pass on the corporate welfare queens. the govt is supposed to care of the sick and poor. how many kids could we cover with SCHIP with one day's cost of the iraq occupation? let's face it: we spend way to much of our GNP on military spending. i didn't say "defense spending". could we spend a little less on imperialistic military ventures around the world and more on health care and education for our children here at home, for god's sake?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pmand giving you psychic wedgies..
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 9, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
Oh, those psychic wedgies are the worst. For some reason, they're always worse than you imagine. :)
October 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pmHey Uncle Ho,
I found you in those pictures. :)
October 9th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI probably have a higher IQ than about 70% of the people on this blog.
Comment by ARealAmerican
Uh Huh. People who have to brag about their IQ's are like those that brag about their sexual prowess; neither are really "up" to the task.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pmWhat pictures Zooey? Can we see?
October 9th, 2007 at 1:11 pmOh, this is a special one.
1. There are no "chosen few." We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
2. What I don’t want is a bunch of parasites taking ever more of my hard-earned dollars through federal entitlement programs. If you were thinking about fiscal responsibility, you should think about the national debt, not the federal deficit. After DHHS (see: Medicare) and the Defense Department (not including any costs for the Iraq War, which is a violent offense in itself to any reasonable discussion on budgeting), the largest payment our government makes every year is on the interest our debt accrues: $406 billion. As for your comment on "parasites", the defense department defends our national property as well as our lives, and the rich pay a disproportionately low amount of taxes for the protection of their property.
3. This is America. It is every man for himself. Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what can you do for your country.
4. It has made us the most powerful and industrious nation in the history of this planet. Heads up, as of 2006 the European Union has passed the USA in GDP. And just because they didn't have a violent revolution capped with a bunch of flag waving and pompous, self-congratulatory ceremonies doesn't mean the Euro isn't kicking the Dollar's ass in open combat.
5. If I am ever in need, I have friends, family, and charity to help me out. And as one of your friends, let me be the first to quote you on that occasion: Every man for himself.
6. If you can’t live with it, and you can’t make your way in life on your own two feet, then go to Canada and Western Europe with the rest of the socialists and pay 60% income tax. Most people in Canada pay about 22% in income tax, and they get free health care with it. And it's a democracy. Their highest tax bracket is 29%.
You. Fail.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:12 pm#136 did I say anything about Gov Blanco or Mayor Nagin (A former Bush supporter?) or their performance before during or after Katrina? That is an issue unto it's self. Are we talking about their actual performance? Their perceived performance or the performance scenario created by the rightwing punditry? Did they perform at the top of their game? Not at all, but at least they performed and tried to do their jobs. They made the effort. As to post Katrina...Umm I think you need to revisit what has happened there. But once again this distraction has nothing to do with the notion that the Republican party only uses abortion as a political tool and really has no concerns for the unborn or any living person other than themselves.
As an aside I think it is telling that you simply pull one item out of the list to harp on, I'll take it that because you don't address any other point in the list that you agree and that since you don't address the main point of the post that you agree that abortion is only a political tool to be used when convenient (election and fundraising times)
October 9th, 2007 at 1:13 pmThe only Republican concerned about 12 year olds is Fingers Foley
October 9th, 2007 at 1:15 pm#169 - RagingGurrl
Look for the guy in the boonie hat, standing next to an Amazon in a white t-shirt. (in the group of 451 photos) :)
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/09/rush-limbaugh-on-graeme/#comment-4112742
October 9th, 2007 at 1:17 pm#174 ~ Enough talk. Someone wheel out the guillotine.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:18 pmZooey, the other 4 people in the foreground with me were on the bus from Detroit. The one next to me is Laura and is married.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pmyippeeeeee!!! guillotine, ha-ha, guillotine.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmHere is a partial list of Repukians with moral decency.
And this list doesn't not include the perverts and pedifiles
Convicted and jailed
Con. Bill Janklow(R-SD), John Rowland(R-CT), Larry Franklin(R), Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), Gov. John Rowland (R-CT), Vincent Cianci, Mayor(R-RI), Jack Abramoff, GOP
Convicted
State Rep. & House Min. Ldr Galen Fox (R-HI), Gov. Bob Taft (R-OH), Brian Hicks, CoS to Gov. Bob Taft (R-OH), Cherie Carroll, Cof S Exe. Sec. to Gov. Bob Taft (R-OH), State Rep. Dan Doyle (R-OR)
Arrested
Leandro Aragoncillo, Thomas Noe, Bush-Cheney 04 campaign chair, NW Ohio; Commissioner; Uni. Regent (R-OH), Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX)
Pleaded guilty
New Hampshire-4 Republican-2002 phone jamming scandal, James Tobin, NE pol. dir. Nat. Rep. Sen. Campaign Com. (R-NH), Chuck McGee, former Exec. Dir. New Hampshire Rep. Party (R-NH), Allen Raymond, GOP Marketplace Pres. (R-NH), Michael Scanlon, former Cof S to Tom DeLay
Indicted
Adam Taff, 2004 con. candidate, KS-3 (R-KS), Dan Druen, Tran. Com. (R-KY), Bob Wilson, Dep. Per. Sec. (R-KY), Darrell Brock, Chairman of Kentucky GOP (R-KY), Basil Turbyfill, Personnel Adviser to KY Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R-KY), Bill Nighbert, Tran. Sec. (R-KY), Dick Murgatroyd, Dep. CoS to KY Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R-KY), Jim Adams, Dep. Trans. Sec. (R-KY), James Tobin, NE pol. dir. Nat. Rep Sen. Camp. Com. (R-NH), Hayes Martin, Treas. of Charles Taylor's con. camp. (R-NC), Bernadette Noe, Thomas Noe’s wife, C of Lucas County GOP; C. of Lucas Co. BoE. (R-OH), Jim Ellis, Dir. Amer. for a Rep. Majority (ARMPAC) PAC (R-TX), John Colyandro, Tex.for a Rep. Majority (TRMPAC), DeLay ass. (R-TX), Warren RoBold, Lobbyist & DeLay ass. (R-TX), Steve Rosen, Amer. Israel Pub. Affairs Com. (AIPAC), Keith Weismann, AIPAC, Larry Franklin, Col., USAF Res., DoD
Under indictment
George Ryan(R-IL), Kenneth Tomlinson(R), Armstrong Williams(R), Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), AG Jane Brady (R-DE)
Under investigation/Probed
Karl Rove(R), Ben Stevens (R-AK), Rep. Katherine Harris (R-FL), Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL), Ralph Reed (R-GA), Gov. Felix Camacho (R-Guam), Dalton Tanonaka (R-HI), Rep. Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House (R-IL), Rep. Jerry Weller (R-IL), Bob Kjellander, RNT (R-IL), State Rep. Lee Daniels (Elmhurst) (R-IL), Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-IN), Jim Kittle, GOP state chairman (R-IN), Rep. Chris Chocola (R-IN), Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R-KY), Sen. John Sununu (R-NH), Rep. Jeb Bradley (R-NH), Tom Wilson, GOP State Chairman (R-NJ), Jeanine Pirro, DA and US Senate can. (R-NY), Gov. Froilan Tenorio (R-Northern Marianas Islands), Rep. Charles Taylor (R-NC), Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH), Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH), Douglas Moormann, Gov. Taft's Exe. Ass. for Bus. and Ind. (R-OH), Rep. Don Sherwood (R-PA), Sen. Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader (R-TN), Rep. Tom DeLay, House Majority Leader (R-TX), State House Speaker Tom Craddick (R-TX), State Rep. Todd Baxter (R-TX), Spokane Mayor Jim West (R-WA
Should be in Jail
Lewis Libby(R)
Buck Fush
October 9th, 2007 at 1:31 pmZooey, the other 4 people in the foreground with me were on the bus from Detroit. The one next to me is Laura and is married.
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 9, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Laura, huh? A name very close to me in real life. ;)
October 9th, 2007 at 1:42 pmOk, here is all I could find
William Jefferson
Former Sen. Brian Burke, felony and misdemeanor pleas
Neil Goldschmidt, Oregon
Jim McGreevy(D-NJ)
Pretty short list
Buck Fush
October 9th, 2007 at 1:50 pmIt was Laura's first demonstration. A lot of cherrys on that trip.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:51 pmGreat photos! But there are so many, I didn't find the one. That's OK, I enjoyed looking through them.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:58 pmSays Rush, "They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. Be it about me, be it about their own voters... be it about President Bush, they must lie — and anybody who stands in the way of their succeeding with that lie becomes an enemy, becomes a target."
It is completely surreal to me how often the right wing accuses us of exactly what they do all the time. Very effective way to bamboozle, of course.
The shame of this attack, though, will remain. This is Schiavo II.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:01 pmIt's not so bad. rush has yet to attack bunnies, puppies or kittens.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pmRagingGurrl; look for the one with a guy in camo & boonie hat with the sign Another veteran for peace.
that's me, in the flesh
October 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmKids, soldiers; what’s next, oh brave one, elderly women?
You forgot, a beloved public figure with Parkinson's. That was his blackest hour as far as I am concerned. This man is scum. But I'm fine with his keeping up the attacks. He is exposing himself for the truly hateful person he really is. And he is exposing how truly hateful the right is by supporting him. This is all very good PR for the Democrats. The Republicans have become their own worst enemy.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:44 pmBut the dittoheads and Dumbf@ck Repug sheeple, will keep listening and following him off the cliff of un-truth and false-reality.
It's fine with me if they all go off the cliff. They certainly won't be missed.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:46 pmI guess Rush forgot about the anthrax freeper hoaxer Castagana. Maybe he can us him next.
Its pretty sad when Rush cannpt rely on his staff of researchers and relys instead on a freeper. I recall another freeper who lasted all of three or four days on the job before being canned for plagiarising. Ben Domenech.
Somebody should remind Rush that freepers are not good sources.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:46 pmMy parents work really hard and always make sure my sister and I have everything we need, but the hospital bills were huge. We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program.
If this family had purchased a private health insurance policy for their children, they would be bankrupt by now. The only reason why they are not bankrupt is because they had a government-sponsored health care plan. How many people in this country with private insurance have been wiped out by medical bills. Recent statistics proved that over 40% of all bankruptcies are because of medical bills and most of the people who have to declare bankruptcy HAD A PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN.
So to all the Right Wing Moron Loons on this thread, is that what you would have wanted to happen to this family. Would it make you happy to see them lose their house and be bankrupted by the injuries their children sustained?
October 9th, 2007 at 2:50 pmHere, Rush, here's a nice BIG syringe, filled with something better than OxyContin- Hell, it IS OxyContin, about 5 GRAMS of it. Now sit back AND DO THE WORLD A BIG-FAVOR.
October 9th, 2007 at 2:52 pmRush is following the lead of Tapscott of the Heritage foundation which has ties to the Reverend Moon.
Rush Moonies!!
October 9th, 2007 at 3:00 pm"Rush" would be right on, IF he was talking about himself and the rest of the gang of liars. I think he's 'projecting' (to borrow a phrase from psychiatry).
October 9th, 2007 at 3:05 pmBut when the true significance of the 1980s freedom revolution sinks in, politics, culture - indeed, the entire human outlook - will change.... Once this shift takes place - by 1996, I predict - we will be able to advance a true Hayekian agenda, including.... radical spending cuts, the end of the public school monopoly, a free market health-care system, -Dick Armey
So we see the Rush lies, the fanatical spin job, is supported by Heritage Moonies who want a free market health-care system. Of course the subprime crash showed that there really is no free market and sky rocketing healthcare costs do not improve longivity in the United States Rush is the billionaire welfare child of the Moonies.
He would however like to see Universal Health care as long as its government subsidized, IE Privatized healthcare and has Heritage stamped on the top of each hospital. This form of privatized healthcare does not reduce government costs to the taxpayer, it INCREASES them.
October 9th, 2007 at 3:09 pmEr, I actually did some research on this independently. It does raise a few questions and eyebrows, frankly. It's all public information as far as house value, school tuition, self-employment, etc. My husband is self-employed and for him insurance is expensive, but if hsi wife was his bookkeeper, it was not bad to insure her and get the family in through a back door. I used to work in insurance and I do not understand why the family's medical coverage on the auto did not cover the kids' injuries/hospitalization.
If they make 45K a year, where is in the income for two private school tuitions coming from? Are they on scholarship or paid? What about the other two kids? My husband is a cabinetmaker and that is a high end kitchen behind them. If they are using the term 'woodworker' to explain a cabinetmaker, there is a big money discrepancy there for income.
>>If this family had purchased a private health insurance policy for their children, they would be bankrupt by now. >>
How? Having been in the boat with enormous medical bills due to an unexpected birth defect, once the health insurance tops out, you are automatically transferred to Medicaid. And most health insurance does not top out until at least a million..and that would be per child as it is per dependent. And again, why did the auto insurance not pick up at least part of the tab? Or did they not have auto insurance either? If they have absolutely no insurance whatever for anything, then these people are gamblers and taking risks with their kids, which is unconscionable. By agreeing to let their story be told (or at least part of it), then they have opened the door willingly to all this. I think the reporter should have asked more questions and more due diligence done.
And for those attacking one side or the other for partisanship, step back and stop using your emotions to look at it.
S
October 9th, 2007 at 3:12 pm#91 - "Yet another symptom of leftist, socialist, elitism: shout down anyone with an opposing opinion or belief, and call them them names." Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
So, that must mean that everyone at "Redstate.org" are all leftist, socialist, elitists!
How interesting that anyone on the right that calls for opposing opinions to be "shouted down" is just fine and hunky-dory for you.
Hypocrisy, much?
October 9th, 2007 at 3:13 pm#196 scnw - You raise some really great questions. I actually don't know much about the story but it doesn't sound like Rush raised too many good questions of his own. True journalism is somewhat of a lost art and it definitely gets watered down through specific media outlets. It's always a good idea to take a step back though, and most of these comments seem pretty emotional (which is understandable).
As far as government spending, I would rather it not (SCHIP or Iraq War). But if I HAD to choose, I would rather it go towards SCHIP. At least it stays in th US and doesn't go towards a bunch of scrap metal and body bags overseas..
October 9th, 2007 at 3:23 pmRush and his mythical "they". This man is so much a victim (in his own mind) that it is impossible for him to escape the gravity of himself. All things that happen, happen to him. If he speaks and is criticized for his opinions, he can't be wrong therefore he must have been wronged. A guy living an existence like this must be heavily dependent for power from either drugs, or little victims who he needs Viagra to violate.
October 9th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#196 (scnw/Er,)
Looks like you only 'researched' what was 'convenient' to your argument. Here's a little remedial reading for you:
Here are the facts that the right-wing distorted in order to attack young Graeme:
1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their “lavish house†sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.
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It was about half-way down the page at Think Progress.
Why not spend your time on something positive instead of trying to find ways to spread right-wing lies about decent people?
October 9th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWhy not spend your time on something positive...?
Or at least why not at least do a little research, so that when you shoot off your mouth, you don't make such a goddamn idiot of yourself?
October 9th, 2007 at 3:41 pmYou guys are ruthless...
October 9th, 2007 at 3:47 pm"I probably have a higher IQ than about 70% of the people on this blog. "
Comment by ARealAmerican
Hey brainiac, later in your comment you mispelled duped. It's one 'p' not two.
In another comment you proposed that Social Security and Medicare would bankrupt the government. I suggest, brainiac, that you learn the difference between 'on budget' and 'total budget' and how all of this is financed.
The truth is you are being had by ideologues on matters that are beyond your comprehension.
I don't know what your IQ might be. The fact that you bring up the subject at all is possibly an indication that you have no idea and have been called on your cognitive limitations in the past.
Your feelings of inadequacy and inferiority ooze from every one of your comments.
October 9th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWhy is that PIG rush still on the air?
October 9th, 2007 at 4:08 pm"Somebody should remind Rush that freepers are not good sources."
Comment by Xisithrus
October 9th, 2007 at 4:13 pm--------------------------
But that's all he HAS. Not to mention the fact that if Rush started to deal in reality he'd lose all his followers.
"Needless to say, I agree with Rush on this one."
Comment by Rory
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Then why did you even bother to bother us with your post?
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And to Rush, are you ever going to find the balls to go face to face with Jon Soltz or anyone at VoteVets.org?
Coward!
October 9th, 2007 at 4:22 pmI probably have a higher IQ than about 70% of the people on this blog.
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
In all my years on this earth (there are more than I would like to admit), not once have I ever met a low intellect moron who did not think themselves to be highly intelligent. That fact should give ALL of us pause for introspection. But I wonder why it is that the least evolved of us always seem to scream the loudest. Whether it be Limbaugh, Coulter, O’Reilly, or just take your pick from the great unwashed right. I think that we help them by just talking about them. I would never have even heard of Coulter or O'Reilly if not for the people who complain about them. And they laugh all the way to the bank every time someone complains about them. I pose this question. How do we fight these evil people without helping them? I have no answer.
October 9th, 2007 at 4:23 pm"Then why did you even bother to bother us with your post?"
Comment by [me]
That might have been a bit harsh and uncalled for.
But the part regarding "Needless to say..." struck my sarcastic sense of humor.
October 9th, 2007 at 4:39 pmHere's a fun fact:
there's a $9 billion debt
70% of that debt was created under Bush, Bush Sr. and Reagan.
yet socialists, communists, liberals and lefties would bankrupt the country.
how's that for delusional.
October 9th, 2007 at 5:53 pmsorry, that was $9 trillion in debt
I find it hard to type trillion... it just seems too incredible
October 9th, 2007 at 5:55 pmI'll make this short, and sweet. Rush is a scumbag liar who wouldn't know the truth if it came in an oxycontin vial! As for those of you who defend this low life, and all the others such as Anorexic Ann(Coulter), you are as dumb as a brick!
October 9th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThis is like stealing candy form some losers that grew up to be Liberal Losers.
From the liberal Baltimore Sun
In a Baltimore Sun article the family claims to be raising their four children on combined income of about $45,000 a year. “Bonnie Frost works for a medical publishing firm; her husband, Halsey, is a woodworker. They are raising their four children on combined income of about $45,000 a year. Neither gets health insurance through work.â€
What the article does not mention is that Halsey Frost has owned his own company “Frostworksâ€,since this marriage announcement in the NY Times in 1992 so he chooses to not give himself insurance. He also employed his wife as “bookkeeper and operations management†prior to her recent 2007 hire at the “medical publishing firmâ€. As her employer, he apparently denied her health insurance as well.
His company, Frostworks, is located at 3701 E BALTIMORE ST. A building that was purchased for $160,000 in 1999…
…One has to wonder that if time and money can be found to remodel a home, send kids to exclusive private schools, purchase commercial property and run your own business… maybe money can be found for other things…maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes.
Now post back that I can't spell or put a period in thw wrong pla.ce
Lov'en life on the right side
October 9th, 2007 at 9:32 pmAh, the ramblings of the right wing. It's funny how they can't see past their own hypocrisy. More's the pity, though.
"A real American" is NO such thing. He is nothing more than just another selfish, stuck up rightie who doesn't give a damn about anything that doesn't make him money. So he is an army of one, so to speak. What is easier to DESTROY than an army with only one member? His attitude is EXACTLY what the righties want YOU to think. Their divide and conquer tactics over the last 27 years have been very effective. They have even succeded in turning Americans against each other, and in some cases, against themselves.
We are all an island unto ourselves, then? So which ONE of us was it that built the roads? Which ONE of us was it who built the brideges? Or the dams? Which ONE of us did all that? I'd sure like to thank that ONE individual. He or she did a hell of a job. Oh, and I'll bet that "a real American spends all his time filling potholes in HIS OWN roads, since he is a solo act all the way around.
It is NOT dog eat dog that made this a great nation. It was cooperation BETWEEN and AMONGST Americans that made us a great country. It was the fact that for the first time, a gov't was OF US. NOT of YOU. It was cooperation that made us the greatest industrial country in the world until Reagan came along and switched us from DEMAND side economics to SUPPLY side economics. Take it all from the poor and give it all to the rich so they could TRICKLE ON the poor. Even as a professional musician and NOT an economist at all, I saw and called that Reaganomics would be a complete disaster. It has been, and we are seeing the end results of it right now.
One thing that our dear "A real American" seems to conveniently forget is that while he is paying for those terrible OTHERS, THEY are paying FOR HIM. It's not like YOU are the only one paying anything, is it, you MORON?
I suspect that "a real American NEVER lived under anything but Reaganomics, and was taught the foolishness of it as a Godsend. It's nothing of the sort. It's stupid, it's foolish, and it's resulted in the destruction of the middle class, the destruction of the manufacturing sector in the country, and the bankrupting of the ENTIRE government. We will never be able to pay off a 10 TRILLION dollar debt, and it's just not fair to saddle future generations with the stupidity of a man who STOLE two elections through illegal tactics, lying and outright collusion and corruption. It's not appropriate for ANY American to look at this and say that things are going well. With the largest debt that any country has EVER seen, your economy is NOT doing well at all. If you have to borrow from generations unborn to finance things, then perhaps it's time to rethink your plans in the first place.
And for those of you who think W is a good or even (GAG) great president, you MUST be kidding. Anytime you get ONE man who more than doubles a 4 trillion dollar debt single handedly, you cannot consider him to be anything but a complete disaster.
Go on ahead and eat your dog, "A real American". I would prefer something else, something gotten through cooperation
October 9th, 2007 at 11:42 pmWhat the article does not mention is that Halsey Frost has owned his own company “Frostworksâ€,[...]
Comment by seabully — October 9, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
And what you seem to ignore is that long laundry list of supposed "wrongs" by the Frosts has already been shown as nothing more than lies and smears by Malkin, the freepers, Limbaugh, etc.
As for your taxes paying for the Frosts' insurance, other people's taxes are paying for your insurance. Duh.
Obviously life in wingnutia requires little to no capacity for thinking things through...
October 10th, 2007 at 12:46 amHey #215, if your going to copy the word for word talking points I've read 30 times on different sites, yea!, you should at least get the spelling right! You fools are so delusional, you actually believe those of us with brains, and hearts won't realize we keep reading the same words from different morons who obviously pass it around to each other. It's just like your moron hero Bush who makes the same statements over, and over, and then claims he never said them, showing he's so stupid he can't comprehend the concept of video(and audio) where we can watch, and listen over, and over seeing, and hearing with our own eyes, and ears that he said what he denies saying. Just like your other idiot hero Rush who also doesn't get it that we watched, and listened to him call ALL our heroes who speak out against the war in Iraq "phony soldiers."
You should all really go get mental help, and help with your learning disabilities...if you have mental health coverage, and can afford it that is!
October 10th, 2007 at 12:47 amI love reading these things. It's like watching a schoolyard argument. My guys are the saints and your guys are the sinners. The voices of America.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:45 amWow! Real American can spell "IQ". That would place him a little above three standard deviations below the mean. And that would shed some light on his ability to accurately determine his percentile rating at any cognitive task requiring something called reasoning.
But not to worry, folks, by his own statement he doesn't need help, he can go it alone - and alone he shall be.
October 10th, 2007 at 3:01 amSomething that struck me as absurd yesterday, on Hardball, fill-in host Mike Barnicle was talking to Jack Welch (Former CEO of GE) who consistently made the comments that we can "afford" this war. It seems to me, that if we can afford the war, we can afford S-CHIP without a problem. Why is it republicans are okay with spending money killing people, but not okay with spending money to help people?
October 10th, 2007 at 9:08 amOne more thing, it still shocks me that people listen to, and believe a guy who admitted he was lying, after the republicans lost Congress.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:18 amActually the funniest thing about the whole Frost family saga is that they were chosen to represent a hard luck, poor struggling family. But I am sure that this is as close to "poor & struggling" as the phony lib leadership would ever want to force themselves to be near.
As far as Conservative talk radio goes and hosts like Rush, it really galls progressives that talk radio is so popular while progressive attempts like Air America fail miserably. Rich sugar daddies will not carry you forever as Air America has learned. At some point you have to bring in advertising revenue.
But Back to the Frost family. The Frosts decided that their lifestyle was much more important than providing health insurance for their kids. their choice.
The only thing that could possibly make it all sweeter now would be the news that Mr. & Mrs. Frost are getting ready for a IRS audit.
Advice to Dems. Next time try and find someone who actually is poor.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThe left sucks, but the right isn't above using kids as props for political purposes themselves. Remember the poor little snowflake babies? We were reminded by Bush that these babies "are not spare parts" when he was fighting stem cell research. Gee, let's see. Out of the embryos not adopted, we can let them die - which happens most of the time - or use them for good purposes. Let's remember that 50% of people receiving fertility treatments are republican. What DID they think would happen to the embryos they didn't want to implant? It was too inconvenient to place 4 or 5 in their lithe, athletic little bodies, so they simply let them sit for years and finally die...republicans kill me.
October 10th, 2007 at 3:12 pmCan someone please post the quote where Rush "smears" the 12 year old kid? Also the parents purchased the house for $55K in 1991 (thats less than $400 a month) and it has appreciated to $500-$600K like the other homes in the area, I don't see how they should qualify for government assistance? With the income of both parents and the scholarships the 12 year old boy is receiving for schooling they should have plenty of money.
Cheers,
BR
October 10th, 2007 at 10:38 pmYou're a great guy, #182. You'd think the "little match girl" was unqualified for help from your wretched taxes because she still had a few left to burn.
October 11th, 2007 at 1:28 amI think Rush Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney, all these Neo-Cons, and all their supporters, have actually been reincarnated from Hitler's third reich; they are the American Right Wing Third Reich led by a satanic force.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:28 amSo all you supporters of this American Right Wing third reich, go right on with your devil worshipping; your downfall is coming soon!
Rush Limbaugh must have read Hitler's Mein Kampf. The man he most resembles is Joseph Geoblels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister. Geoblels theory was "If you tell a lie loud enough and long enough people will believe it"
Limbaugh is a despicable person who says he is an entertainer when he really is the propaganda minister for the Republican party. I don't think he has ever spoken the truth.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:12 amToo bad someone doesn't put Rush out of his misery. What a patriot that would be.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:15 amRush, you've got a severe case of projection. you attack soldiers, and when a real soldier stands up against the slander, you say the soldier is lying and out to get you. Then progressives put an ad together to gain support for legislation and you say the ad is a lie, you attack the child messenger in the ad, and say progressives know no shame when it comes to promoting their policies.
Rush, you've got a severe case of projection. And the only reason the war and health care is at all about you is because you've insinuated yourself in these issues. I gotta wonder what special Hell you live in to spew this kind of ridiculous garbage.
Rush, get help. You really need it.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:34 amActually, the #1 difference between the right and left in this country is that the right believes in protecting innocent life, such as unborn babies and the infirm, and in destroying evil, such as murderers, rapists, and terrorists. The left believes in protecting evil and in destroying innocent and defenseless life. It is pretty cut-and-dry. Any questions?
Comment by ARealAmerican — October 9, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Any Questions? Yeah, is the straight jacket comfortable?
October 11th, 2007 at 10:40 am#175 - WJM: HEAR, HEAR!!!! Excellently said!!
Thank you.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:19 amSeabully, Mr. Frost must be a Republican.
October 25th, 2007 at 1:14 pm