87 members of House pledge not to fund war.
87 members of House pledge not to fund war.
TPM notes that 87 members of the House “have now added their names to a letter to the President pledging not to vote for any more funding for the war and only to vote for supplementals that fully fund withdrawal.” In July, 70 House members signed onto a similar letter. “Now more than 15 new members have added their names to the letter…another significant step forward.” The letter reads:
Dear Mr. President:
Seventy House Members wrote in July to inform you that they will only support appropriating additional funds for U.S. military operations in Iraq during Fiscal Year 2008 and beyond for the protection and safe redeployment of our troops out of Iraq before you leave office.
Now you are requesting an additional $45 billion to sustain your escalation of U.S. military operations in Iraq through next April, on top of the $145 billion you requested for military operations during FY08 in Iraq and Afghanistan. Accordingly, even more of us are writing anew to underscore our opposition to appropriating any additional funds for U.S. military operations in Iraq other than a time-bound, safe redeployment as stipulated above.
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Now if they would get that impeachment moving…
October 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmNot enough to end it.
October 10th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWhich Democrats have not signed on? These are the ones we need to replace in the primaries.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmNow if they would get that impeachment moving…
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 10, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Is Pelosi still Speaker?
October 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmPelosi is the one keeping impeachment tied up. The cheney impeachment has 11 co-signers now and Pelosi won’t let it hit the floor.
Thank you Jim McDermott of West Seattle for again sticking to your guns and voting for ending this mess.
Approval Rating 84% – Yeah we have 16% repukian wankers here too, but not very many of them at least.
Buck Fush
October 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pm87 members only !!, after over 4 1/2 years in this war..and almost 770 billion dollars spent.
We have a long way to go.
Bush will not be affected by 87 votes…but he will affected and will listen to 378 votes…
October 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmYay, a letter!!! I’m sure that’ll make Bush shake in his boots.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmThough it is not nearly enough to end this idiotic war , these 87 individuals should be lauded forever in our history books as REAL AMERICANS , and be given medals , kudos and plaudits for doing the RIGHT THING
October 10th, 2007 at 5:07 pmYay, a letter!!! I’m sure that’ll make Bush shake in his boots.
Comment by StupidGit — October 10, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Why wouldn’t it ?
Horses make the cowardly moron pee himself ……….
October 10th, 2007 at 5:08 pmMaybe if we delivered the letter on a horse?
October 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pmYep, but not gonna happen while mrs. priss is in charge….
Comment by RemoveBush — October 10, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Nor should it. It’d only boost Bush’s popularity and tie up both houses for the next year and a half.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIt’d only boost Bush’s popularity and tie up both houses for the next year and a half.
Comment by toasterhead — October 10, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Boost Shrub’s popularity??? WTF???
With WHO??? The 28% die hards are gonna follow him no matter what, and the REST of us hate him completely!
October 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI agree with Toasterhead. Instead of going for impeachment they should be working toward indictments to prove the corruption of the currect crop of scoundrels. Sadly, they cannot seem to do much better than offer up hearings in which they are repeatedly denied testimony due to executive priviledge.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmComment by Godfather2 — October 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Okay Fredo , enough of your stupid statements and delusions…….
October 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pmYep, but not gonna happen while mrs. priss is in charge….
Comment by RemoveBush — October 10, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Nor should it. It’d only boost Bush’s popularity and tie up both houses for the next year and a half.
Comment by toasterhead — October 10, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Who gives a shit ?
People’s lives are at stake ; that should be 1st and foremost on everyone’s mind and agenda.
Everything else is secondary as far as I’m concerned…..
October 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pm87 down, 131 to go…
October 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pmRemoveBush,
After the past few months of supporting the FISA fiasco, scolding MoveOn.org and caving the “executive privilege” on even the most miniscule of issues I’d say our congress has already made that decision for us. We do have a king, his name is Cheney and while he may be leaving the thrown in little over a year, his predecessor will most likely wear the executive crown with pride. I’m not as informed as I’d like to be on this issue but it appears that either congress has been neutered or is complicit in this new phase of American “Democracy”.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmCanada is due north. Please start walking and don’t stop until you see glaciers. Don’t come back. Its a much better country without you.
Comment by Godfather2 — October 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
After you, you mass-murdering twit. You have weakened America at every turn, with your support of fascism and faux royalty. People like you should have their citizenship stripped and be thrown on the next plane to North Korea. We want to save lives; you’re not happy until American soldiers are blown to pieces for nothing.
By the way, the isolationists supporting Hitler were Republicans, and members of the Bush family. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your hatred of America.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pmComment by Godfather2 — October 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
About a quarter of adults want Congress to fund fully the administration’s $190 billion request;
seven in 10 want the proposed allocation reduced, with 46 percent wanting it cut sharply or entirely.
About seven in 10 independents want Congress to cut back funds allocated for the war effort, as do nearly nine in 10 Democrats; 46 percent of Republicans agree.
Now what was that about liberals again?
October 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmJust like the isolationists that supported Adolph Hitler prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, your movement will be an embarassment to later generations. Unlike those isolationists, you are incapable of recognizing the damage you have done and are incapable of mending your ways.
Comment by Godfather2 — October 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
My god you’re a moron. Comparing us kicking over an anthill in a desert to World War II?? I gotta think you’re just a troll, otherwise, if you can give me a coherent explanation for why Iraq has anything to do with the security of this country, I’m all ears. Otherwise, pull your head out.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmComment by Godfather2
Um, WE don’t say Support the Troops – that’s you. WE don’t use meaningless prepackaged McDonalds catchphrases meant to demean and try to pass it off as some kind of argument.
YOU will not be telling anyone else to leave the country because YOU are not the majority anymore! HELLO?!?
Do you have any idea how schizophrenic you look when you tell us you’re not questioning our patriotism and then go and QUESTION OUR PATRIOTISM. Because that’s exactly what you’re doing when you accuse us of being traitors.
We are not as stupid as you. This kind of inane, belligerant stupidity is not working anymore! Find a new game, some new source of obnoxious propaganda to fill your empty stupid head.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWow, we’re all phony Americans Godfather2? Just like VoteVets are phony soldiers I guess.
It seems like you’d prefer a phony Democracy where only people who have the same thoughts as you are allowed citizenship but sadly for you that isn’t the case yet. Keep working at it though as we do seem to be getting closer to your Rwanda-like fantacy of “removing” those you disagree with.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmGodfather2,
Trivia question for you. There is only one Iraq War veteran in congress today. Which political party is he?
October 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmJust like the isolationists that supported Adolph Hitler prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, your movement will be an embarassment to later generations.
Comment by some idiot (I don’t care what his name is)
So Hitler attacked Pearl Harbor, huh? That home schooling sure didn’t do you any favors. I’m thinking you must have made a mistake in your comment because even the dismal 26%r’s still have some small shred of brains to work with – but maybe I’m wrong. BTW, your rant was meaningless. Thanks for playing.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmPeople’s lives are at stake ; that should be 1st and foremost on everyone’s mind and agenda.
Everything else is secondary as far as I’m concerned…..
Comment by MCMetal
Our freedom and adherance to the Constitution are the priorities. That is the oath the president takes when he/she is sworn in: To defend the Constitution. If our incompentent “rulers” cannot keep us safe without throwing away the very foundation on which this country was founded, then get rid of the incompetents – don’t water down our constitution as an excuse the them not being up to the job.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pmA true patriot cannot say because of his fear it is necessary to cherry pick the Constitution. Those who subscribe to such forms of governance display cowardice and dishonor our forefathers. Governance by fear befits the weak.
America’s governance is about challenging our fear. America is about WE governing. Not the We ak.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pmIf we praise but do not challenge government we risk the result of our “protector†becoming our persecutor.
People’s lives are at stake ; that should be 1st and foremost on everyone’s mind and agenda.
Everything else is secondary as far as I’m concerned…..
Comment by MCMetal
Our freedom and adherance to the Constitution are the priorities. That is the oath the president takes when he/she is sworn in: To defend the Constitution. If our incompentent “rulers†cannot keep us safe without throwing away the very foundation on which this country was founded, then get rid of the incompetents – don’t water down our constitution as an excuse the them not being up to the job.
Comment by StratRat — October 10, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
I apologize for being so flippant and being less than concise….
I merely posted what I did , because I do not believe , not ever or will ever , that our Constitution should be in any way disregarded/not adhered to ; I know it is a topic now because of this horseshit administration’s actions and their treament of our beloved Constitution as a “Goddamn piece of paper”….
I am working off the premise off how our previous 200 + years had been governed…………
October 10th, 2007 at 5:42 pmWas it over when the German’s bombed Pearl Harbor?!
/Animal House
October 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmComment by StratRat — October 10, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
BTW
I was always an Anti-Strat user and would bad-mouth it constantly ; until I purchased one myself about 5 years ago…….
Guesss everyone needs to grow up sometime (except a certain “C” student from Crawford who is the worst president in US history)
October 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmI am working off the premise off how our previous 200 + years had been governed…………
Comment by MCMetal
Fair enough. I remember a few years ago the main battle cry for disregarding the rule of law was the phrase “Our constitution is not a suicide pact”. Republicans were saying that day after day. I knew we had an uphill battle when that phrase wasn’t swatted down like some nagging flying bug by the MSM. I would expect the folks who claim to be able to do the job, to do just that: The Job. If they cannot accomplish the task without ruining our way of life, then they should split and let somebody else take over. Sounds simple to me.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI was always an Anti-Strat user and would bad-mouth it constantly ; until I purchased one myself about 5 years ago…….
Comment by MCMetal
They certainly don’t stay in tune the way my Les Paul does. What is the metal bar hanging off the bridge? Am I supposed to wiggle it or something?
October 10th, 2007 at 5:49 pmHello Strat-
October 10th, 2007 at 5:50 pmare you decompressing?
46 percent of Republicans agree.
Comment by Candyce — October 10, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Don’t confuse the troll with big numbers. He can’t count past 10 yet.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:50 pmGood thing you guys “won the election” back in 2006.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI am working off the premise off how our previous 200 + years had been governed…………
Comment by MCMetal
Fair enough. I remember a few years ago the main battle cry for disregarding the rule of law was the phrase “Our constitution is not a suicide pactâ€. Republicans were saying that day after day. I knew we had an uphill battle when that phrase wasn’t swatted down like some nagging flying bug by the MSM. I would expect the folks who claim to be able to do the job, to do just that: The Job. If they cannot accomplish the task without ruining our way of life, then they should split and let somebody else take over. Sounds simple to me.
Comment by StratRat — October 10, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Most things are simple ; it’s people that tend to complicate things……….
The MSM has degenerated in people’s eyes ; almost as much as the presidency has…….And House members aren’t far behind.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:51 pmIf we praise but do not challenge government we risk the result of our “protector†becoming our persecutor.
Comment by leftcoast — October 10, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Oops. Already happened. Remember, Bush took the governors out of the chain of command and made all the decisions to declare Martial Law the perview of the Executive Branch. All of this he did after his approval rating dropped below the 40% mark. All he needs now is a reason and a will to do it. We already know he has the will to do it, and do you think a war with Iran will REDUCE the threat of terrorism?
October 10th, 2007 at 5:51 pmHello Strat-
are you decompressing?
Comment by leftcoast
There you are. I was wondering if you were going to surface for this round of smack the trolls. Yeah, I am decompressing (decomposing?). The bad part is that I am at work, so they want me to stay awake.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pmCanada is due north. Please start walking and don’t stop until you see glaciers. Don’t come back. Its a much better country without you.
Comment by Godfather2 — October 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Seriously? You, one of the 25% that wants this war-with-no-goal, this war-with-no-upside, this war-with-only-victims to continue, are telling the other 75% of the country that has come around to reason to get out? I won’t echo your hateful intolerance by telling you that you should leave. Instead I’ll ask you to question your claim that it is WE who do not support the troops. Let’s put aside the fact that 72% of the troops, when polled in February 2006 wanted us to leave within the next 12 months. We can even ignore the fact that by the word of Armed Forces officials, it will take the troops 3 to 4 years to recover AFTER all troops are pulled out of Iraq before they will be ready for active combat again. Let’s just consider the fact that by supporting a pull-out from Iraq, we are in favor of fewer troops dying as well as fewer young men and women being condemned to a life of severe handicaps. What exactly is it you hope for in demanding that our troops stay in the line of fire?
October 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pmI was always an Anti-Strat user and would bad-mouth it constantly ; until I purchased one myself about 5 years ago…….
Comment by MCMetal
They certainly don’t stay in tune the way my Les Paul does. What is the metal bar hanging off the bridge? Am I supposed to wiggle it or something?
Comment by StratRat — October 10, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Vibrato/whammy bars (which I assume you are referring to) , only stay in tune if the guitar is “locked down” (that is a unit that looks similar to the nut , and installed just beyond it , that houses three Allen-headed screws and looks down to retain string tension)
October 10th, 2007 at 5:53 pmomment by swordsbane — October 10, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
October 10th, 2007 at 5:53 pmNo war will reduce terrorism.
Strat-
October 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pmyou missed #28
Vibrato/whammy bars (which I assume you are referring to) , only stay in tune if the guitar is “locked down†(that is a unit that looks similar to the nut , and installed just beyond it , that houses three Allen-headed screws and looks down to retain string tension)
Comment by MCMetal — October 10, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
I always take the whammy bar off. I vibrato the strings with the left hand. heh
October 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pmRight,
October 10th, 2007 at 6:02 pmAnd I’m only going to give my wife money to pay off her credit cards.
No new shoes or clothes.
Strat-
you missed #28
Comment by leftcoast
That, to me, is the most frustrating part of this whole Bush episode: In 6 or so years, he has trained us to be frightened – rather than resolute and proud. I would think a confident president would not want his/her citizens to be scared all the time. If I am scared, that is a reflection on our presidents lack of leadership and communication skills. It is a failure on his part that I cannot look to DC as a competent and capable provider of security.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:02 pmStrat-
October 10th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWell said.
We are all quickly becoming slaves to the preaching of fear.
Nor should it. It’d only boost Bush’s popularity and tie up both houses for the next year and a half.
Comment by toasterhead
The problem with impeaching Bush is that we have no evidence. Both Nixon and Clinton were impeached on evidence gathered by a Special Council. And we all know that there is no way that Bush is going to allow the justice department to appoint a Special Council to investigate him. Isn’t it interesting that Clinton allowed the appointment, even though he knew that Ken Starr was going to investigate him. Shows a lot more character than the Moron in Chief.
I don’t think we would be able to get enough votes in Congress to pass Articles of Impeachment without any evidence of wrong doing. So far the only evidence we have is Bush admitting he was spying on Americans without a warrant. But I’m sure he could weasel out of that one pretty easily.
I do so want to Impeach Bush, but I fear that people are right when they say that the votes simply are not there. If we were able to get Articles of Impeachment passed, I’m fairly sure, in the end, that the Senate would vote to convict. It’s just getting the articles voted on in the first place that is the problem.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:06 pmThe problem with impeaching Bush is that we have no evidence.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 10, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Funny, I though Bush admitting to warrantless wiretaps on the magic sparkle box was evidence. Had his handlers scrambling for days in spin mode after that.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:10 pmComment by bilbobaggins — October 10, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
October 10th, 2007 at 6:11 pmEven if impeachment were not successfull it would at least send a signal to the rest of the world that true Americans are alive and well.
Vibrato/whammy bars (which I assume you are referring to) , only stay in tune if the guitar is “locked down†(that is a unit that looks similar to the nut , and installed just beyond it , that houses three Allen-headed screws and looks down to retain string tension)
Comment by MCMetal
That’s why I tune to open tunings (G & D, mostly). Easier to keep things sounding cool. I need all the help I can get.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:12 pmTwice again as many and it might have a shot.
what the hell is wrong with Congress….????
It’s not like the people haven’t spoken, is it?
Well, is it, punk?
October 10th, 2007 at 6:20 pmEven if impeachment were not successfull it would at least send a signal to the rest of the world that true Americans are alive and well.
Comment by leftcoast
You mean if Nancy Pelosi brought up Articles of Impeachment and they were defeated, that would show the world that we are alive and well? I’m talking about even getting the Articles of Impeachment passed. That’s what I don’t think we can do right now with no evidence of wrong doing. That’s what the Republicans will say and I fear that a lot of the Blue-Dog Democrats would go along with them. They would say “where’s the evidence”. They will conveniently ignore the fact that the only reason why we don’t have evidence is due to Republican obstructionism and Bush’s liberal use of Executive Privilege.
What I would love to see happen right now is for Congress to start hauling in the people who have ignored subpoenas and put them under Inherent Contempt. That will force them to either come clean or sit in jail. And I would love to see them stop writing letters and start sending out more subpoenas. And finally I would like to see the Democrats challenge Bush’s use of Executive Privilege. I AM sick and tired of the Democrats letting them get away with all this. It’s time for the Democrats to start playing the game the way the Republicans have been playing it for years now.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:22 pmomment by swordsbane — October 10, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
No war will reduce terrorism.
Comment by leftcoast — October 10, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
My point exactly.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:23 pmIt’s time for the Democrats to start playing the game the way the Republicans have been playing it for years now.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 10, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
We have a broken process. Check out John Deans new book.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:32 pmYou know what’s funny? EVERY politician owes what they do to the Nazis. No one got a crowd riled up like he did, and every other leader and candidate for leadership in any country where they saw his broadcasts (live or recorded) was eagerly taking notes. Modern politics got it’s start with Adolph Hitler and the Nazi party, and the people have been falling for it ever since.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:33 pmBilly, Billy, Billy, you have to stop the meth abuse. 1) There are no such people as Islamofascists 2) They only want to kill us because we’re killing them; notice, if you will, that when Bush surrendered to Osama’s every demand, no other attacks were mounted against US soil. 3) Why shouldn’t Iran have nukes if Israel does? You must realize that Iran wouldn’t bother with nukes if Israel didn’t have them…how about taking Israel’s nukes away? 4) the world’s biggest warmongers, terrorists and murderers are right here in the good old USA, led by the sociopath Bush and his psychopath string-puller, Cheney. Those are the facts, Billy-boy, and they arent going away just because you’re stupid.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:48 pmComment by Billy Hill — October 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
It’s fine and good to hope for all those things. I hope for similar things. By leaving our troops in Iraq, we work to ensure that none of those things ever come to pass.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:53 pmWe have a broken process. Check out John Deans new book.
Comment by leftcoast — October 10, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
I ordered it yesterday from Amazon. Did you read Conservatives Without Conscience?
October 10th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI ordered it yesterday from Amazon. Did you read Conservatives Without Conscience?
October 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pmComment by Candyce — October 10, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Yes. I believed in JD since the Watergate hearings. But, of course such a claim does not date me.
Yes. I believed in JD since the Watergate hearings. But, of course such a claim does not date me.
Comment by leftcoast — October 10, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Oh, me either *cough*
October 10th, 2007 at 7:26 pmOh, me either *cough*
October 10th, 2007 at 7:37 pmComment by Candyce — October 10, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
I’m a history buff. I think most of us here are. Age is just a matter of dates. History is a matter of life.
there are a large majority of those in congress who realize how fragile your freedoms can be and are making the right choices whether you understand, want to understand or allow reality to be you guide……or not.
Comment by Billy Hill — October 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
You’ve been duped Billy. Try to really think about what I’m about to say and not just instantly jump to some rehashed right-wing talking point. Ok, are you ready….. here it is: The terrorists are not in a position to take your freedoms away, they can only make you slightly less secure. The ONLY people who can take away you freedoms are your elected officials. THEY are the ONLY people in a position to roll back your civil liberties and freedoms.
October 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pmMy Congressman is one of the 87, and I have thanked him profusely.
However, I can’t get him to sign onto the impeachment of SiCKO DiCKO, and I have ragged him profusely.
I bet sometimes he wishes he was still in the one or two-county-wide District (from Austin to Laredo) that the Hammer assigned him and that his District did not include ME! {:-)
October 11th, 2007 at 1:46 am