Was A McConnell Staffer Behind The Campaign To Smear The 12-Yr Old SCHIP Recipient?
Was A McConnell Staffer Behind The Campaign To Smear The 12-Yr Old SCHIP Recipient?
The right wing’s attack on Graeme Frost, a 12-year old recipient of SCHIP, is now attracting attention from a number of traditional media outlets. “I think it’s really a sad statement about how bankrupt some of these people are in their arguments against S-chip that they would attack a 12-year-old boy,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said.
Mounting evidence suggests that the right-wing smear campaign may have been orchestrated by a staffer in Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) office.
First, ABC News reported earlier this week that a staffer in Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-NV) office received an email that was not intended for him. The email from a “Senate Republican leadership aide” showed the minority leader’s office was intently tracking the smear campaign well before it had gained widespread attention:
“This is a perverse distraction from the issue at hand,” said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid, D-Nev. “Instead of debating the merits of providing health care to children, some in GOP leadership and their right-wing friends would rather attack a 12-year-old boy and his sister who were in a horrific car accident.”
Manley cited an e-mail sent to reporters by a Senate Republican leadership aide, summing up recent blog traffic about the boy’s family. A spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., declined to comment on Manley’s charge that GOP aides were complicit in spreading disparaging information about Frosts.
Today, the New York Times adds more to the story, reporting that Sen. McConnell’s office was preparing to issue a press release to attack the Frost family, but pulled back once the progressive blogosphere revealed the malicious campaign:
Republicans on Capitol Hill, who were gearing up to use Graeme as evidence that Democrats have overexpanded the health program to include families wealthy enough to afford private insurance, have backed off, glad to let bloggers take the heat for attacking a family with injured children.
An aide to Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, expressed relief that his office had not issued a press release criticizing the Frosts.
Christy Hardin Smith writes, “Is anyone in the media going to actually dig into this and find out how involved the McConnell oppo shop has been in all of this?”
UPDATE: Carpetbagger notes Mrs. Frost’s reaction to the smear campaign: “The nastiness caught me by surprise.”
UPDATE II: Politico reports:
Republican congressional offices say they had nothing to do with the investigative reporting work of the conservative bloggers. But at the same time, they did nothing to distance themselves from the byproduct of that work. ‘We’re clearly going to promote the truth and show Democrats didn’t do their research’ into whether the Frost family should be receiving subsidized health care, said one Senate GOP aide. ‘We’re going to ride this story.’”
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I can just see the McConnell staff “to do” list on their bulletin board:
1. Obstruct Dem-sponsored legislation
October 10th, 2007 at 10:57 am2. Get Iraq talking points from latest dog and pony show
3. Beat up a 12-year old kid
mcconnell is the TRUE definition of a redneck….
October 10th, 2007 at 10:58 amPlausible deniability I am sure McConnel had nothing to do with this.
/snark
October 10th, 2007 at 11:00 amCaption:
‘Peace is War’
October 10th, 2007 at 11:00 amanswer to chs: ‘no’.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:00 amcaption:
“Make mine a double”
October 10th, 2007 at 11:02 amhow bout “Make mine a double chin” instead?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:04 amAre double chins and pasty white skin a requirement to be a Repug? Are their KKK uniforms also hanging, cleaned and pressed, in their “man-sized safes”, too?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:06 amMan that neck is freakish.
Schiavo defined the Republican party and it’s dark vision for a controlled society. They’ll never learn because they can’t.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:06 amIt was a doubled intendre….
October 10th, 2007 at 11:07 am:)
“This is the second time I’ve lost my upper dentures.”
October 10th, 2007 at 11:07 amsad, just sad
and you know that somewhere down the line, they’ll fire some low level flunky, condemn the messenger without condemning the message, and then be let off, scot-free
October 10th, 2007 at 11:08 amI stayed a couple days at a Days Inn just a few yards down the road from McConnell’s office in northern Kentucky. It’s built on the site of a confederate fort.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:09 amSurprise. Walking by, I wished I had some tp
Yeah, BUT…
The articles have brought out something I didn’t know…there’s no asset test for SCHIP. In other words, this family could have had a million bucks squirreled away and still have qualified for government assistance.
Personally, I think the United States should have socialized medicine for everyone and just have done with it. We could fund it by getting out of Iraq, for starters.
But SCHIP would be funded by taxing only one segment of the population…the twenty per cent of Americans who smoke. And we would be taxed REGARDLESS of income.
Sorry, but all of this is reverse-Robin-Hood, like something from a Republican think-tank, not a Democratic congress.
I’m a lifelong Democrat from the lefty side of the party but I’ve never seen Democrats advocate what amounts to a sales tax. They need to re-work the funding plan here.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:11 amThe neo-conservative movement is a odd critter because of the levels of hypocrisy and its intentionally misconstrued vocabulary.
That aside, for now, the neo-conservatives primary problem, its inherent dilemma, is that it must create an authoritarian state [socialism] to bring about its true monarchial imperialistic roots that are grounded, in reality, along the lines of thinking of the British Empire another socialist scheme in itself.
The conservatives, who used to stand for the constitution, have now embarked on a Road to Serfdom.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:13 ampuffin, the worst part of the bill is that there isn’t one line about funding. The cigarette sales tax will be introduced as separate legislation. The bill currently introduced just mandates the increased in funding without any way to pay for it.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:14 amCaption Contest: I will be in stall number two.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:14 amWell, we already know that McConnell is a complete dipsh*t.
Thanks for your help bringing down the GOP, Mitch.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:16 amIs there even a neck somewhere in that oozing blob sitting on his shoulders?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:18 amFrom what I know of Kentucky, there are a lot of children there who would appreciate some health care…
October 10th, 2007 at 11:20 amArgue the merits of the legislation? Why on earth would the Repugnicunts stoop to arguing merits when an ad hominem attack is so much easier?
And especially when you have pukes like the Swift Boaters available.
Hateful and disgusting people we are dealing with. Come on 09! Hurry!!!
October 10th, 2007 at 11:20 ammcconnell is the TRUE definition of a redneck….
Comment by Fan of Man — October 10, 2007 @ 10:58 am
Hmmm… I’m a country boy, and I gotta say, I’m a little tired of comments like this. A tad bit… ‘racist’, shall we say?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:25 amFrom what I know of Kentucky, there are a lot of children there who would appreciate some health care…
Comment by Nevar — October 10, 2007 @ 11:20 am
Kids don’t vote, and their parents are too busy working 2-3 minimum wage jobs a piece to get to the polls.
/snark
October 10th, 2007 at 11:25 amThat’s right, no one HERE would ever stoop to ad hominem attacks.
Comment by Rory — October 10, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Shorter Rory: Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
October 10th, 2007 at 11:26 ama system which is already overburdened.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Ya can thank our “fiscally-responsible” CEO **cough** for that - the largest deficit in the history of the country!!! Go Team America!!!
October 10th, 2007 at 11:26 amNo one attacked the children. Once again you show your willingness to lie in your attempt to smear.
The parents should have been paying for insurance before the accident instead they chose to leech off a system which is already overburdened.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Blind. Liar.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:27 amMc-Conned-el, has no problem with pouring billions into the coffers of authoritarian socialists that feed off the American taxpayer sweat, he has no problem with coroporate lobbyist welfare for the have mores.
He cares not about an American 12 year old injured in an accident, he cares more about building million dollar missiles to blow up foreigner camels in the desert.
And, watch, he will back spending on Bushs NCLB act. So education can be publicly funded, but not ever more expensive healthcare which is undermining, by high prices, its very own existence.
WTF, really?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:28 amThe parents should have been paying for insurance before the accident instead they chose to leech off a system which is already overburdened.
Comment by Vendetta
Congress and the White House is full of millionaires leeching of the system by your logic.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:30 amMr McConnell better start thinking about holding on to his senate seat. An apt metaphor for this time of year; he is ripe for the picking.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amI found this picture of the Frosts’ half million dollar mansion at Balloon Juice.
This story just gets more and more mean.
Now that you see their front stoop and entry to the home, go back and read Michelle’s comments about the house:
“I also passed by the Frosts’ row house. There was an “01 - 20 -09″ bumper sticker plastered on the door and a newer model GMC Suburban parked directly in front of the house. I’ve seen guesstimates of the house’s worth in the $400,000-plus range. Those are high.”
She doesn’t bother to tell her readers that what she really saw was a pretty shabby, working class home, and leaves readers with the impression that it’s less than $400,000, but still sumptuous and luxurious.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amWe sometimes go after you Jake/Rory on a personal level, but that isn’t an ad hominem attack, it’s just because we really don’t like you.
An ad hominem attack means going after the person instead of refuting their argument.
If I say that Jake is an idiot, that could be construed as a personal attack, if it were false. If I say that Jake’s position on stem cell research is wrong BECAUSE Jake is an idiot, that’s an ad hominem attack.
And now feel free to call me a pedant.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amCaption Contest-”2BigMacsLargefriesLargeCoke”
October 10th, 2007 at 11:33 amHya PopStar!!!(TM)
October 10th, 2007 at 11:35 amGOOOOOOOOOODLord I’m busy today. I hope you are well?
Ah, nice. Way to beat up a little kid, Mitchy McChinless!!
YAY!!!
October 10th, 2007 at 11:36 amThe parents should have been paying for insurance before the accident instead they chose to leech off a system which is already overburdened.
Comment by Vendetta
The parents took advantage of a program, legally, given by the state, they did not stick the hospital and the doctors with a bill they couldn’t pay, which would have been irresponsible.
Now, the SCHIP is not regulated solely by the government, and it is jointly funded.
This is a non-story, a heartless smear tactic, a fibb your embarking upon Vendetta, that Michelle or others have not, seemingly, read the rules of.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:36 am“Instead of debating the merits of providing health care to children, some in GOP leadership and their right-wing friends would rather attack a 12-year-old boy and his sister who were in a horrific car accident.â€
Since when have the right wing loons cared to debate the merits of any issue instead of engaging in political smear campaigns that attack the messenger and not the message?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:38 amHya PopStar!!!(TM)
GOOOOOOOOOODLord I’m busy today. I hope you are well?
Comment by whiteyfresh — October 10, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Doing great, crazy semester. Stop by the Zoo anytime, whitey!!
October 10th, 2007 at 11:39 amThese are the kids Mitch and his right wing blogger lackeys are picking on:
The family relied on SCHIP during the more than five months that the children were hospitalized. Graeme had to learn again to walk and talk, his parents say; he remains weak on his left side and speaks with a lisp. Gemma is blind in her left eye; she has difficulty with memory, learning and speech, and sees a behavioral psychologist to help her deal with her frustration.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:39 amIf you are referring to their health care benifits, they are compensation for sevices rendered. In other words they EARNED it.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007
No, I am talking about laws in place that someone in need of medical care cannot be turned away from medical treatment, which results in a loss for the Hospital. AND BTW the family has been paying taxes as American citizens, and they were approved by the state to recieve benefits. Until you prove, thru legal recourse, they family has defrauded the state, you have no case for your wingnut diatribes.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:40 amthey are compensation for sevices rendered. In other words they EARNED it.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:34 am
“Compensation for services earned”??? Now, THAT’S debatable…
October 10th, 2007 at 11:40 amTo state the obvious: universal health care will inevitably arrive in America — when corporate interests who favor it (i.e., automakers, service industries) outweigh corporate interests that oppose it (i.e., for-profit health insurers). It’s about saving America’s competetiveness in a global market, and eventually even the GOP will come around.
We already have functioning government mandated and funded health care members of Congress, for veterans, for the poor and the elderly, so all the screeching about “socialistic†medicine is just noise that serves only interests of the for-profit health insurance business.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:42 am“The parents should have been paying for insurance before the accident instead they chose to leech off a system which is already overburdened.”
that’s awesome. when you’re done building your time machine, you can go back and tell them that. why not just make a sillier point like “The parents should have never been better at avoiding that accident”? maybe the real question you should ask is “Why does health insurance and health care cost so much?”
October 10th, 2007 at 11:43 amVendetta isn’t worth the trouble. Just another lowlife hypocrite dead-ender.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:43 amMy real beef is with the program administration which allows people like these to shirk their responsibility to buy insurance and screw the American people by having them pay for it. Sure it was legal but its still wrong. Comment by Vendetta
Its your opinion, that does not MAKE it wrong, and it is NOT an excuse to attack this family. PERIOD.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:44 amThey can’t afford traditional insurance, Vendetta. What is it you don’t get about that? And by the way, they do pay a monthly premium for SCHIP coverage.
What is you want them to do? Sell all their assets and live off the proceeds for a couple of years, then what?
Does it occur to you that the mortgage on a $55,000 home bought 19 years ago is less than any rent they would have to pay today?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:45 amAnyone here who wants to diss the S-CHIP program should be sure to decline Medicare when they turn 65.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:45 amHave their taxes been released? -Vendetta
Maybe you should check before attacking them with opinionated and biaed guesses. Why didnt Malkin check into that is the question?
I dont much have any interest in checking their taxes, that burden of proof falls upon you, not me.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:47 amIf you have issues with the program, then discuss the program. This family did nothing wrong. They have complied with and met the requirements of the state of Maryland and SCHIP. The family didn’t deserve to be trashed. Trash the program if you like, but dragging this family through the mud is cheap and mean.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:47 amRory,
I agree that some posts here are personal attacks, both sides are guilty but not equally guilty. I think that this administration has taken smear campaigns to a new level. KKKarl is the absolute master of attacking the messenger.
I don’t mind Jake, I have grown to like him in a way. Consistent bastard he is. I was just using him in a snide way to make a point.
If you aren’t Jake, you are his alter ego. Your posts are almost identical. I think you are the same person, regardless of your vehement denials.
Guess we’ll never know.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:47 amHave their taxes been released? -Vendetta
Why should they be released to YOU? The state of Maryland has them and that’s all that matters.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:48 am“…ad hominem attacks on Republicans instead of refuting or even dealing with the merits of our arguments.”
Comment by Rory
So, um, when did you switch from being an Independent ?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:50 am“Mrs. Frost’s reaction to the smear campaign: “The nastiness caught me by surprise.â€â€
Ms. Frost,
Surprised?!?! Have you been living in a cave? That’s business as usual for this scum-of-the-earth political party. They’ll cheat, lie and even beat the crap out of a child to further their political agenda.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:50 amHave their taxes been released? -Vendetta
Why? Because your first impulse is to assume that the family is lying?
Their children attend schools on large, non-academic scholarships. Anyone who knows anything about anything knows that schools don’t hand out that kind of support without asking for several years of tax returns. Plus they obviously qualify for S-CHIP, which also would require disclosure of their tax returns.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:50 amI haven’t seen that many Jake posts, to be honest with you.
Comment by Rory — October 10, 2007 @ 11:49 am
I’m not surprised, since he has been booted for abuse. There were Jake comments (not posts) this morning and were quickly cleaned out.
If you would try to stay on-topic, such as discussing the actual point of the thread (Hint: it’s about the treatment heaped on this family for ideological reasons, not about the program itself), people might be less inclined to assume you’re another Jake sock puppet.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:52 amVendetta “…. screw the American people by having them pay for it. Sure it was legal but its still wrong.”
I am sorry, why are you addressing the Iraq War on this thread? I resent paying for Bush’s War.
Choices little guy. You support Bush’s choice to spend my tax money killing Iraqi kids and making enemies who make my kid’s life more dangerous rather than spending that money helping my fellow American’s kids safer.
You can shove your choice up your ass.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:53 amI’ve Nevar been registered Independent.
Comment by Rory
We never believed you in the first place.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:53 amThey did not deserve to be used by the dems either.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:52 am
What makes you think they were “used” by the Democrats?!?!? They agreed to speak out on how a government program supported by the Democrats helped their family obtain health care it desperately needed, without having to destroy their finances and become homeless with their children.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:54 amThey did not deserve to be used by the dems either. This is par for the course in political debate when you enter the public arena as they did.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Who says they were used? You don’t think they are capable of forming their own opinions about the program and as supporters, should be allowed to voice their support?
Did you feel the same way about Bush “using” the 14 yr-old daughter of a woman who was killed on 9-11 for this presidential campaign? Or do you think the girl was entitled to voice her opinions for the ad?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:54 amSure it was legal but its still wrong. Comment by Vendetta
What a weasel worded statement to excuse your irrational, illogical and unwarranted attacks. The moral majority is nothing more than hypocritical BS. We spend billions in Iraq to free them from an oppressed dictator, because we are oh so compassionate to bomb the crap out of their society, but you cannot see your way clear to help these people that have done nothing illegal? Who would have gone into poverty, and onto the rolls of the welfare system likely into bankruptcy?
Exactly how many of YOUR dollars, your personal dollars, went to help these kids Vendetta? One Dollar? two Dollars?
Are you really that bent out of shape for a few measly bucks? How much has been stolen from you by this war and dropped into Iraq Vendetta, for that welfare state?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:54 amI think you are the same person, regardless of your vehement denials.
So do I. I think almost all the rightwing troll posts here at TP are by the same person. I also suspect that he/she occasionally posts here as a lefty.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amPrivate schools often give scholarships to students whose families have suffered as they have.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:54 am
They qualify for S-Chip.
Sheesh. What a moron.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amThe point needs to be made that the right wing extremist bloggers can argue against the merrits of S-Chip all they want, which is fine, but when they launch an all out mob lynching of a normal, American family, they have crossed the line of decency.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amThey did not deserve to be used by the dems either. This is par for the course in political debate when you enter the public arena as they did.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:52 am
“Used”? Again and again, we see the same assumption. A wounded soldier who speaks out against the war is being used (too brain-damaged to come to his own conclusions). A family who was bailed out of an untenable situation and choose to support it are being used.
Funny, but the only people “being used” are those who speak out against the Republicans and “conservatives.” People who speak up for the Republicans (those who don’t turn out to be former gay porn stars) are brave and heroic.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amThey did not deserve to be used by the dems either. This is par for the course in political debate when you enter the public arena as they did.
Comment by Vendetta
How were they used by the Dems? By them thanking the America people, Democrats and Republicans and all of America they were used?
Please, come up with an original talking point and stop spreading/parroting falsities.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:57 amYoui admitted they did nothing Illegal Vendetta. You have shot your own toes off in this debate. Thanks for playing.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:58 amWe know they are on scholarship now, but were they before the accident? Private schools often give scholarships to students whose families have suffered as they have.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:54 am
We also know they don’t make very much money. Why do you need to make up facts not in evidence?
But, but, what if they’re really brainwashed aliens from Pakistan? Huh? What about that?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:59 am!
WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH STOOPID TROOLLS???????
Mounting evidence suggests that the right-wing smear campaign may have been orchestrated by a staffer in Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) office.
!
October 10th, 2007 at 11:59 amWe know they are on scholarship now, but were they before the accident? Private schools often give scholarships to students whose families have suffered as they have.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:54 am
If you’d bother reading up on the facts rather than mouthing the right wing talking points you might have found out the real situation regarding these private schools.
The boy has a scholarship to a private school based on his academic record. His family pays a yearly stipend based on their income.
The girl, who is blind in one eye and suffers memory and speech problems due to her severe brain injury attends a school for children with brain injuries. She’s not attending a private school with polo grounds and field hockey teams. She’s getting SPECIAL EDUCATION.
The SCHOOLS determine who can attend and what they should pay. Take it up with these private schools if you don’t like their admission policies. Leave the kids alone!
October 10th, 2007 at 12:00 pm“They did not deserve to be used by the dems either.”
so what, if their daughter had a feeding tube, it would have been ok? are you bill frist? can you give us another diagnosis by video?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:02 pmForgive me if someone has already said this, as I’m adding a comment before I’ve read the others, but…shouldn’t Reid’s office release this email they received from McConnell’s office?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThey did not just write a thank you they entered a political debate.
Since when does that mean Malkin gets to stalk these people at their home, work, and school? Since when does that mean Mitch McConnell gets to smear them in the national press?
That’s not political debate. That’s character assassination.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:05 pmI see, Vendetta. So anyone who voices support for something you don’t agree with should expect every personal thing about their private lives to be posted on the internet, including home address and phone number. And they should expect freepers to phone their home and harass them. And they should expect to be stalked by Michelle Malkin. And they should expect their children to be fair game. And they should expect Senators to aid people in embarrassing and harassing them.
You’re incredible.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWe know they are on scholarship now, but were they before the accident? Comment by Vendetta
Can you believe these con posters? They dont bother to look into any of the details before they start the bleating!!
Even tho the burden of proof has been on them from the beginning.
They dont let facts get in the way of an emotional rant nor do they even attempt journalism 101 by digging out the facts BEFORE the whining commences. And now, these trollips expect others to answer their questions?
WTF? WTF do they call that type of red journalism?
Freepers have to be the stupidest pseudo journalists ever. The make the National Enquirer look like a highly respectable media outlet.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:07 pmTell it to verbal.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Yeah, brain injury is non academic.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:07 pmSo Vendetta just won’t let go of his lie that the family is somehow hiding income, even though he has not one IOTA of evidence to support this scurrilous claim.
I think Vendetta is being used by the rightwing hate machine
October 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI’m sick to death of the Repukes ALWAYS loudly screeching that anyone who chooses to be against Bush’s War or support universal health care is being “used”.
“Used” implies that we’re all brainless automatons - but to my mind, that particular description fits the right wing authoritarian followers who still support Bush far better.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIf I were the parents of these kids, I would consider filing a civil lawsuit. Freedom of speech and the first amendment is no defense to defamation of character. The first amendment doesn’t permit you to lie about someone’s actions or their character. If I were the parents, I would get a civil lawyer and start action against the bloggers including Freak Republic and their minions who blog on here and eventually subpoena their Internet records.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:10 pmThey did not just write a thank you they entered a political debate. -Vendetta
And so have you, now post your address, phone number, your social security number and all your tax information, your place of business and where your kids go to school, oh and your health insurance information.
And if you dont we’ll just make stuff up like you have been doing.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:10 pmSCHIP is a bi-partisan program/bill Vendetta, how is that political?
Its partisan because Bush vetoed a bi-partisan bill?
WTF?
Are the freepers even capable of using their god given logic?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThe American people have a right to know who these people are. Malkin was not stalking these people she was investigating them.
Comment by Vendetta
So thats why you dont know about their taxes or the details of the scholarships?
Great investigating, NOT!!
October 10th, 2007 at 12:13 pm# 13: “That aside, for now, the neo-conservatives primary problem, its inherent dilemma, is that it must create an authoritarian state [socialism] to bring about its true monarchial imperialistic roots that are grounded, in reality, along the lines of thinking of the British Empire another socialist scheme in itself.”
Just wanted to point out some illogic in this statement. First of all, socialism is an economic theory (just as capitalism is). An authoritarian state can exist within any kind of economic structure. For instance, the growth of capitalisim in both China, Russia, Vietnam has not altered their authoritarian natures. Despite having a capitalistic economic structure, the U.S. is becoming increasingly authoritarian. An example of a socialist state, that is in no way authoritarian, would be Sweden.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:13 pmThe American people have a right to know who these people are.
“Who these people are” is a diversion from debating health care. As usual, the GOP is incapable of actually debating an issue on its merits, so they resort to drversionary tactics.
Too bad it blew up in their face this time.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI would argue that insurance cost so much partly in prep for universal health care when gov will establish and dictate cost based on the current average costs.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:47 am
#1 dumbest post I’ve read in ages. You can’t really believe this, and if you do you need to be medicated.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe state of Maryland has their tax returns. The state has qualified them under the program based on those tax returns. The only way to argue that they are high income is to accuse them of cheating on their tax returns, and not just for one year, but many years. This is precisely what Vendetta is suggesting, completely without basis. Maybe we should just make up things about Vendetta without basis.
So, Vendetta, prove to us you aren’t a crack-addicted pedophile.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:17 pmJust wanted to point out some illogic in this statement. -ICTB
Semantics. An authoritarian state would rely on government as its enforcement entity. Hitlers police state was in effect nationalist socialism.
I am speaking, primarily, of the Frederich von Hayek agenda.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:18 pmI just wanna point out again what a great job Pelosi and Reid are doing smacking the GOP around on health care. It’s an issue most Americans care deeply about, and GOP members of Congress, if they want to keep their jobs, are gonna have to split with the White House on this. That’s a first, and it bodes well for the Dems’ effort to reign in Bush’s Iraq fiasco.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:19 pmThey became part of the debate when they became official spoksperson for the dems. Comment by Vendetta
Show me where they were paid for being a spokesperson? Show me how a bi-partisan spokesperson for a bi-partisan program can be the officially spokesperson for the dems?
Seems to me they spoke about SCHIP, a program availabe to all Americans that qualify.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:21 pmShow me where they were paid for being a spokesperson? Show me how a bi-partisan spokesperson for a bi-partisan program can be the officially spokesperson for the dems?
Comment by Xisithrus — October 10, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Vendetta deals only in innuendo. It is disgusting.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:23 pmchuck grassley = “dems”?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:24 pmAND BTW the family has been paying taxes as American citizens…
Comment by Xisithrus — October 10, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Have their taxes been released? If not you are speaking out of your butt. Chances are they dont pay taxes and recieve the earned income credit.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Well, there goes the argument that this family was actually rich and shouldn’t receive any help for their kids. To get EIC, you have to be pretty damn poor.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pmShow me how a bi-partisan spokesperson for a bi-partisan program can be the officially spokesperson for the dems?
You are correct, lots of Republicans favor SCHIP. But I think Vendetta’s point is that these people embarassed George W. Bush.
I was wondering, when did American conservatism morph into The Cult Of Bush?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pmMcConnel supports our troops by keeping them in Iraq; by blocking every bill to free soldiers from leaving this endless war.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:27 pmAnd now his smear talking machine is turned on against 12 years old S-CHIP receipient.
I was wondering, when did American conservatism morph into The Cult Of Bush?
Comment by koko the talking gorilla
On or around September 12th, 2001….
October 10th, 2007 at 12:27 pmJust because you dont understand my post doesnt make it dumb it makes you dumb.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
Nothing you ever say is deep enough to make it difficult to understand. It is all the people who don’t have insurance, don’t qualify for medicaid and don’t have enough money to pay their hospital/doctor bills that drive up costs. Not future “socialized medicine” plans. And that would be blatant fraud, overcharging patients on the chance that someday they’d need these higher rates when socialized medicine goes into effect.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:28 pmI would argue that insurance cost so much partly in prep for universal health care when gov will establish and dictate cost based on the current average costs.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Which is precisely how Managed Care works right now. You really shouldn’t argue matters that you obviously have absolutely no knowledge about.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:28 pmComment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Does any of what you say condone the attacks this family has endured? Where is the right justified in vilifiying this child and his family?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:31 pmHave their taxes been released? If not you are speaking out of your butt. Chances are they dont pay taxes and recieve the earned income credit.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 11:44 am
If they don’t pay taxes and receive the earned income credit, then that would mean they are poor and should receive help voa the S-CHIP program.
Do you not even think about what you right or is the anger inside of you making your logic and vision blurry.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThe articles have brought out something I didn’t know…there’s no asset test for SCHIP. In other words, this family could have had a million bucks squirreled away and still have qualified for government assistance.
Do you really think that someone who had a million dollars squirreled away would apply to have their children enrolled in that program? Do you think that people making the income that qualifies them for SCHIP would have a million dollars squirreled away. That is simply a straw-man argument.
Personally I am happy there is no asset check. If there had been, in the case of this family, they probably would not have qualified. So the end result would have been a family that had to sell the family home and the father’s business to pay medical bills for their children and end the end they would probably still owe medical bills. That would have wiped the family out and forced them into bankruptcy. They would no longer have a place to live and the father would no longer have a way to earn a living.
Is that what you would like to see happen to this family (this is addressed to all the Right Wing Loons out there)?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:33 pmThat’s right, no one HERE would ever stoop to ad hominem attacks.
Comment by Rory
I tell you what Right Wing Loon Rory, you give me your home address and phone number and I’ll stoop to an ad hominem attack on you.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:37 pm…All that was disclosed is that they EARN $44,000. own a home worth quite a bit of cash, owned a business and a piece of commercial real estate. I have not accused them of tax evasion, just using the system in a way that I dont approve of.… -troollspeak
so, what I get from this, is that wingers would prefer that the family
SELL their home, SELL the father’s means of income, SELL their way of life - that would have only improved these 6 years if not for bushco mismanagement - in order to pay for the exorbitant hospital bill…
universal single pay health care is looking better every hour…
October 10th, 2007 at 12:38 pm.
“The dems might have thought this through, done a little investigation themselves and picked a family that was truly poor.”
except that would completely avoid the fact that the middle class is having trouble getting affordable health care and/or paying for their medical bills. repub talking points don’t do much in the way of helping someone whose kid’s got cancer.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:42 pmtaxing the poor (smokers) to pay for the poor. thats communism not socialism.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:44 pmMs. Mitch McConnell more closely resembles a hate-filled old woman than a congressional representative. If he would stoop this low to deride and spar with a 12 year old, then he has no business representing americans in Congress.
CreamPuff McConnell needs to take these bully tactics to his nearest schoolyard and leave governing to adults. Mitch McConnell is an American Disgrace!~
October 10th, 2007 at 12:45 pmCaption - Tap two times on the pipes if you want me.
Scum is as Scum does. This is just a sample of how sick in the head the 29%ers are. They don’t have a clue about being human at all. It is all about them, and only them. But of course they would be the first inline if something (satan forbid) would happen to them and they needed help. Then it would be the blame game, something like, “the liberals made me have that car accident”.
Repukians are just such totally pieces of crap subhumans.
Buck Fush
October 10th, 2007 at 12:46 pmtypical piss-soaked troll retort regarding ad hominem attacks. Nice try, Jake!
October 10th, 2007 at 12:47 pmYou won’t have to dig very deep to find the dirt that McConnell sleeps in…
October 10th, 2007 at 12:47 pmThe parents should have been paying for insurance before the accident instead they chose to leech off a system which is already overburdened.
Comment by Vendetta
So Black Hearted Right Wing Loon Vendetta. Would you have been happy to see this family bankrupted? Because that’s what would have happened if they had been able to afford a private health insurance policy. Or would you have them sell their modest home and move into a dive so that they could pay a “for profit” health care company for coverage that would still have ended up in bankrupting them?
October 10th, 2007 at 12:50 pmNo one attacked the children. Once again you show your willingness to lie in your attempt to smear.
The parents should have been paying for insurance before the accident instead they chose to leech off a system which is already overburdened.
Comment by Vendetta
Are you saying that Rush Limbaugh didn’t attack this 12 year old boy? If so, you have selective hearing. And I expect that this family would have been paying for a private insurance policy if they could have afforded it. But they couldn’t, and that is why they were put on this plan. As I said before, would you have been happy to see this family bankrupted? It seems that would be the only thing that would make you black-hearted Right Wing Loons happy.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:52 pmAre the freepers even capable of using their SATAN given logic?
Fixed that for you ;-)
Buck Fush
October 10th, 2007 at 12:56 pm“The dems might have thought this through, done a little investigation themselves and picked a family that was truly poor.â€
Doesn’t matter. 60% of Americans favor federally mandated and funded health care for all. Correctly, 60% trust the Dems to improve health care, versus 20% (that’s you) who think the GOP will improve health care coverage.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:05 pmJust wanted to point out some illogic in this statement. -ICTB
Semantics. An authoritarian state would rely on government as its enforcement entity. Hitlers police state was in effect nationalist socialism.
I am speaking, primarily, of the Frederich von Hayek agenda.
Comment by Xisithrus — October 10, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Xisithrus - it’s really not just a matter of semantics. I’m simply objecting to the link between socialism and authoritarianism, because one does not necessarily equal the other. The Right uses this false link all the time against those of us who believe in the community’s responsibility toward others less fortunate. As for von Hayek, he could hardly be considered a neoconservative, and furthermore, was no supporter of socialism in any way. He was, however, a true believer in capitalism and free markets. Thatcher and Reagan were fans, but he would be more closely described as a libertarian in the U.S.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:06 pmLet’s go back to the statement by the brave young man, Graeme Frost, which caused the conservative slime machine to go into high gear:
Graeme told his story of being involved in a severe car accident three years ago, and having received access to medical care because of the Children’s Health Insurance Program. He said:
If it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today. … We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. … I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me.
For this statement, Vendetta has spewed out the same enraged, psychotic, hateful crap on Graeme and the rest of the Frost family that the conservative cabal regularly spews out on ANYONE who disagrees with them.
I hit “Report Abuse” EVERY TIME the trolls in here spew out their hate for the Frost family and I have asked, and will keep asking, that they be removed from the TP threads for violating the “Terms of Use”. I encourage my fellow preogressives to do the same.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:13 pmAttn Bilbobaggins - re #12 and #108 —
The issue isn’t this particular family, though the NYT article does mention that they own a rental property worth over $170k. The issue is that there isn’t an asset test and, yes, there are tons of cheapskates out there who will take what the government has to offer before they part with any of their own money. Most of them are Republicans.
Also, having spent many years examining tax returns, I can tell you that most — yes, most — self-employed and subchapter S businesspeople under-report their income or take as business expenses items that should be treated as personal expenses. People who get W2 forms from an impersonal employer don’t have that advantage and so the average working person pays a lot more in taxes than the self-employed pay.
This family stopped being private when they put their son out in front of the cameras. I don’t think they should have done that, given all the information, some of it questionable, that has come out since then.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pmPolitically, this was a very stupid move of the part of the rightwing noise machine. I have to wonder why the rightwing demonizes universal health care, when its favored by 60-70% majority.
It’s like watching the GOP walk into a buzz saw.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:23 pmComment by puffin — October 10, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
You’re experience as a tax auditer, if we believe you, is anecdotal and has nothing to do with THIS FAMILY. You are projecting other people’s tax returns onto these people. And you don’t know if they have an S corp or a C corp or are sole proprietors. Which is why I doubt you’ve ever audited shit.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:37 pmCould you provide a link to that poll?
Here’s one with lots of pertinent info: NY Times/CBS poll: Most Support U.S. Guarantee Of Health Care
October 10th, 2007 at 1:47 pmABC News/Washington Post Poll. Sept. 27-30, 2007. N=1,114 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). Fieldwork by TNS.
“There’s a proposal to increase federal spending on children’s health insurance by 35 billion dollars over the next five years. It would be funded by an increase in cigarette taxes. Supporters say this would provide insurance for millions of low-income children who are currently uninsured. Opponents say this goes too far in covering children in families that can afford health insurance on their own. Do you support or oppose this increased funding for this program?” Options rotated
Support 72
October 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pmOppose 25
Unsure 3
I should have added an excerpt from those poll results; here’s a good one:
“Only 24 percent said they were satisfied with President Bush’s handling of the health insurance issue, despite his recent initiatives, and 62 percent said the Democrats were more likely to improve the health care system.
“Americans showed a striking willingness in the poll to make tradeoffs to guarantee health insurance for all, including paying as much as $500 more in taxes a year and forgoing future tax cuts.”
October 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pmTolly.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThe frost family qualifies under the state laws that apply to their family.
So what’s your point in posting links to smear sites?
trust me. no one’s trying to “silence the right” on this topic. it’s too much fun to watch.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pmStill another poll:
http://www.rwjf.org/ newsroom/ newsreleasesdetail.jsp?productid=21931
October 10th, 2007 at 2:03 pmTolly, I find the accounts in USA Today and the Baltimore Sun more credible that the rightwing screech machines you mentioned.
“We are struggling,” Bonnie Frost said. “We live paycheck to paycheck. ”
Politically, these attacks of the family were a very stupid move of the part of the rightwing noise machine. Two-thirds of all Americans favor universal health care, and that means everybody, no income or assets test neded.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:05 pm“Politically, these attacks of the family were a very stupid move of the part of the rightwing noise machine.”
yup. even stupider than the original veto by the pres. who wants to bet that had the president signed this bill, malkin never ends up hiding in the frosts’ bushes?
October 10th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI notice no link to the actual poll just summary which is worded vaguely.
Half the story is devoted to a discussion of their methods. Sorry you don’t like the results.
The GOP and the rightwing noise machine are free to ignore public sentiment on national health care. Knock yerselves out. Oh, and say goodbye to any electoral victories in 2008.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pmCan the dems make their point on socialism w/out selling us bogus victims?
Can the left make it’s point on the war w/out trotting out multiple soldiers that have lied about their service?
Comment by Toliver — October 10, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
Can trolls make their point without making up straw men?
October 10th, 2007 at 2:12 pmSocialism doesn’t mix well w/liberty.
Tell it to the Swiss.
We already have functioning government mandated and funded health care members of Congress, for veterans, for the poor and the elderly, so all the screeching about “socialistic†medicine is just noise that serves only interests of the for-profit health insurance business.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI just wanna point out again, just to annoy these trols, what a great job Pelosi and Reid are doing smacking the GOP around on health care. It’s an issue most Americans care deeply about, and GOP members of Congress, if they want to keep their jobs, are gonna have to split with the White House on this. That’s a first, and it bodes well for the Dems’ effort to reign in Bush’s Iraq fiasco.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:15 pmThe Democrats sorely resent that they can no longer peddle their Big Nanny propaganda unchallenged. Harry Reid is already throwing tantrums and attacking the messengers who expose their health-care poster child abuse.
Comment by Toliver — October 10, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
The right wing is all up in arms at being shown up for the lying cowards they are and always have been. Your little anecdotes are completely overshadowed by the institutionalized lying, thievery and perversion that marks the right wing and Republican politicians, and will, thankfully, destroy your party and its morally bankrupt philosophy forever. The right can’t make its points supporting fascism without attacking 12-year-olds, and can’t make its points on illegal, unnecessary, immoral war without attacking veterans and war heroes. 70% of the American people are anxious to usher out the era of conservative lies and perversion, and so it will be.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pmDont be too sure. Nov 08 is a year off and a lot can happen. Even if election were today Mrs Clinton your likely candidate has some serious negs to overcome.
Comment by Vendetta — October 10, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
yes, she’d only win by 25% today. Yawn.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pmSocialism doesn’t mix well w/liberty.
Comment by Toliver — October 10, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
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socialism IS liberty, for those less fortunate. Liberty is not only for the lucky.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmThere has been a great deal of bickering about whether the Frost family is “poor” or not, and personally, I am finding this to be a waste of time.
The real argument should be about whether or not this SCHIP funding bill should be passed.
The Frosts aren’t rich, but they aren’t poverty-stricken, either. If they were truly poor, the kids would qualify for Medicaid and SCHIP wouldn’t even be an issue for them.
No, the Frosts are fairly representative of the demographic SCHIP is designed for. Working people in the lower-to-middle class economic bracket — too rich for Medicaid, but not rich enough to pay for health insurance themselves. Even if they were somehow exposed as complete frauds by the wingnuts (which, despite their best efforts, they haven’t managed to do), this doesn’t discount that many people in this economic category do exist.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pm“too rich for Medicaid, but not rich enough to pay for health insurance themselves.”
ding, ding, ding. exactly. and if the right wing wants to piss on this voting demagraphic, i say ‘piss away.’ and ‘thanks.’
October 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pmHmmm, as far as *I’m* concerned, Tolliver, socialism is a much better choice than pre-emptive WAR.
Because war is all that Chimpy and his gang of neocon thugs have. War, war and more war.
Nothing for little kids.
Nothing for the poor.
Nothing for the elderly.
Nothing for the middle class.
If that’s your definition of “liberty” - you can shove it. Kim Jong Il would understand *that* kind of liberty.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWhat we dont want is that care extending beyond the poor…
Who is this “we”? Most Americans disagree with you.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“What we dont want is that care extending beyond the poor.”
ignoring the high cost of health insurance is smart. again, piss away.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:32 pmActually, one would think patriotic conservatives would be in favor of a free country in which someone can publicly express support for a particular political ideology or issue without having to worry about people lurking in their bushes or camping out in front of their private homes at night. Kind of hard to argue against socialist/communist propaganda or to call Muslims fascists when you adopt the methods of the KGB or the Gestapo, isn’t it?
The bottom line is that the Frosts had every right to express support for this Bill publicly - they are guaranteed that freedom by the Constitution. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be a Constitutional guarantee against having your lives violated and investigated for using your freedom of speech….
Or is there? I think it’s called libel and slander, especially when unfounded accusations are made public and can hurt the individuals in question. Maybe the Frosts’ lawyer should be giving Michelle Malkin a call…
October 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI think the Frosts (especially Graeme) to allow their son to tell the truth on the air, knowing how vindictive, immoral, and hate-filled most “conservatives” are when confronted with the truth.
However, I am with Mrs. Frost, in that sometimes even knowing that, you can be surprised by the nastiness.
The trolls in here show that. That is why I have used the “Report Abuse” icon so often on this thread. The nastiness on this thread has been surprising even for the usual troll dung we have seen in thread after thread.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:37 pmI meant to say: I think the Frosts are brave (especially Graeme himself is brave) to allow their son…
October 10th, 2007 at 2:40 pm“one would think patriotic conservatives would be in favor of a free country in which someone can publicly express support for a particular political ideology or issue without having to worry about people lurking in their bushes or camping out in front of their private homes at night.”
we have another winner! exactly, again. the repubs are losing votes (that would normally be considered safe republican votes) at every step in this debate.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAt 65, Mitch McConnell should RETIRE. Now!
May I suggest a place he would just love? IRAQ!
October 10th, 2007 at 2:46 pmthe repubs are losing votes (that would normally be considered safe republican votes) at every step in this debate.
Truer words were never spoken.
I am sorry most American dont want to live under tyrants like cha cha chavez
Who said they do? You are delusonal.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pmOK, Vendetta - you’ve stalwartly done your rightwing authoritarian follower duty.
Goody for you. I’m sure that’ll getcha another gold star on your crown in heaven.
You’ll probably get another for your excellent ability to suspend your disbelief on Chimpy’s behalf.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBy the way, how does one BAN the “page down” entries?
You know, the entries from trolls that I always ignore?
Wish TP was like C&L or AB … trolls are banned fast!
October 10th, 2007 at 2:51 pm“I am sorry most American dont want to live under tyrants like cha cha chavez.”
again, to a parent whose child is sick and the medical bills are piling up, i’m guessing that comparing democrats to hugo chavez isn’t really going to convince the middle class that voting republican is the way to go. and my apologies if you were referring to linda chavez.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pm…you are a busy-body tattletale.
This from a guy who came here to squawk about Malkin’s phony exposé of the Frost’s vast wealth?
You are a parody of a wingnut blowhard, aren’t you?
Well if not, you should be.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:55 pmBy the way, how does one BAN the “page down†entries?
You know, the entries from trolls that I always ignore?
Wish TP was like C&L or AB … trolls are banned fast!
Comment by FunMe — October 10, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Don’t “page down.” Read their comments, and if their comments violate the TP “Terms of Use,” click “Report Abuse,” report them, and ask TP to remove them from all threads.
This takes some time, but it is worth the effort, in my opinion.
I have reported many of them, and I plan to continue to do so.
I’ve also repeatedly asked my fellow progressives, like you, to join me, and I plan to continue to do so.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pm“To compare Michelle Malkin to the KGB or the Gestapo demonstrates well how messed in the head so many on the left are.”
very true. the KGB hasn’t stalked anybody in maryland in years.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmTo compare Michelle Malkin to the KGB or the Gestapo demonstrates well how messed in the head so many on the left are.
To compare the 64% of Americns who favor universal coverage to devotees of Hugo Chavez demonstrates well how messed in the head some trolls the right are.
October 10th, 2007 at 3:02 pmTypical hypocritical, cowardly Republican politics. Vote the legislation on its merits, but get your attack dogs to demagogue on the issue. Because who’s paying the RNC bills? Big Pharma and the Healthcare-for Profit Industry, of course.
But this is going to backfire bigtime. These people have a biography that reads lower/middle class, but strong American values. This program surely kept them from declaring bankruptcy, so they can remain part of the tax-paying middle-class. This should be a cause for celebration that we have a government program that does what it’s supposed to do…yet the Bushbots can’t have that. Much better to have people lose in the medical lottery and declare bankruptcy. Much better to have our country degrade into a 3rd world economic darwinist experiment.
But the vast majority of Americans know better. They understand that those that scream loudest against the Frosts have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I hope Vendetta, Toliver, RedState, FreeRepublic, Malkin, Steyn, Limbaugh, and the rest of the anti-American Bushbots continue to push this issue…they are making the choice in 2008 obvious for the American voter.
October 10th, 2007 at 3:11 pmon ditchmitchky.com and actblue() a donation site to help the dem’s defeat Mitch Mcconnell we are doing every thing we can to defeat this neocon, he has between $6to8 million in his campaign funds. how do you get that much from a poor state like ky ??
October 10th, 2007 at 3:17 pmthanks a dem from ky
According to the states’ budget projections, 13 will spend more than 44 percent of their SCHIP funds in 2008 on people who are neither children nor pregnant women.
Michigan tops the list with 71.6 percent of its SCHIP money earmarked for adults who have no kids. In New Mexico, 52.3 percent of the state’s SCHIP dollars will be spent on childless adults.
October 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWhere is McConnell? Why hasn’t he denounced the hateful and vicious attack on a young boy and his family? Where is Lott? Where is Boehner? Where are all of the “good” “chrisitian” “family values” republicans whose duty it is to speak up against these vile, odious creatures who speak for them?
Their silence condones the words and the actions. They use their disgusting putrid goons to attack children and families as the owners of pitt bulls allow their dogs to intimidate and attack passers by. THIS then is the republican party. They are disgusting.
October 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmMichigan tops the list with 71.6 percent of its SCHIP money earmarked for adults who have no kids. In New Mexico, 52.3 percent of the state’s SCHIP dollars will be spent on childless adults.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 10, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
Excellent. it’s about time. all Americans should have health care. thanks for highlighting this.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmAccording to the states’ budget projections, 13 will spend more than 44 percent of their SCHIP funds in 2008 on people who are neither children nor pregnant women.
Michigan tops the list with 71.6 percent of its SCHIP money earmarked for adults who have no kids. In New Mexico, 52.3 percent of the state’s SCHIP dollars will be spent on childless adults.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 10, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
This isn’t your posting Roger, it’s plagiarized propaganda from the office of Rep. Joe Barton!
If you’re going to steal the work of others, do so without pretending you wrote them! It destroys what little credibility you have, and shows exactly what an unthinking set of droids the GOP is filled with!
Why do you insist on posting propaganda and disinformation as thought it is your own word? This isn’t the first time you’ve done this, no wonder your name implies someone that just repeats things, instead of thinking for themselves!
You do realize that SCHIP covers young people through the age of 21, yet the GOP statistics refers to those 18-21 year olds as adults for the purposes of propaganda? You also do realize that in that figure of 71.6% it counts women that are pregnant?
You people hate facts, that’s why all you can do is repeat lies!
No wonder America is sick of your misleadership!
October 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI think Vendetta is being used by the rig