Poll: public rejects Bush’s spin on the economy.
By on Oct 10th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Poll: public rejects Bush’s spin on the economy.
On Friday, President Bush claimed that the U.S. economy is currently “vibrant and strong,” full of “good news for people here in our country.” But a new AP poll finds that “a growing number of people say the economy is the nation’s top problem, with the less educated among the most worried.”
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um, the MAJORITY rejects bush PERIOD.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:45 amYou should have seen them on CNN this morning, practically pleading with the viewing public to see that the economy was going great. Ally Velshi actaully had the nerve to say “if everyone had invested as much they should have, then they’d be doing great. Friggin’ tool. What about that vast group that barely make it to the next paycheck?
October 10th, 2007 at 9:49 am“…with the less educated among the most worried.â€
with one notable exception – Dumbya!
“What, me worry?”
October 10th, 2007 at 9:50 amYou’d think Dumbya would have learned this lesson from his daddy, who learned it from James Carville — “It’s the economy, stupid!”
Oh yeah, it’s also Iraq, illegal secret surveilance, torture, Katrina, children’s health care, etc. But it’s certainly the economy too…
October 10th, 2007 at 9:51 ambush’s no child left behind has been changed to “NO CHILD” period.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:52 am“with the less educated among the most worried.â€
I’m surprised it wasn’t the growing number of poor people who were the most worried.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:56 amPoll: public rejects Bush’s spin on the economy.
Because we have to live in this mess of an economy.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:56 amEverything… EVERYTHING George Bush now utters is a lie.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:59 amHe has gone past the event horizon in a sociopathic black hole to where he not only doesn’t care about the truth, he has no awareness of it.
This is an area where I can almost pity any president, from any party. While it may be perfectly true that our economy is in serious trouble, a president just cannot go out and say that. Candidates running for office can say it, as Fred Thompson did in yesterday’s debate, but not the sitting president. Imagine, for a moment, the president of the United States going on national television and declaring, “My fellow Americans, if you’ve got money in the bank, get it out now and stuff it in your mattresses. If you’re invested in the market, better sell before the big drop off. If you’re retired and living on a fixed income, either go get a job or move in with your kids. Folks, the economy is about to go in the sh!tter.”
He can’t do that, so he has to say that the economy is strong, no matter what, or the devastation to the economy would be worse. As I said, I can almost pity any president who has to lie about the economy to prop it up. But not this one. He and his administration’s policies made it worse, and he feels no guilt about lying to us anyway.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:59 am“with the less educated among the most worried.â€
I’m surprised it wasn’t the growing number of poor people who were the most worried.
Comment by dim wit
Aren’t most poorly educated people also the poorest?
October 10th, 2007 at 10:00 amI was talking to a Republican the other day who was complaining about the Democrats budget, saying that we need to get back to “fiscal responsibility”. I almost spit my coffee on the nutjob. I pointed out to him that Clinton was fiscally responsible in that he had balanced budgets and left Bush a huge pot of money in reserves. He tried to say that was all due to the Republicans controlling congress and forcing him to have a balanced budget. What a pile of rubbish. Then I mentioned the fact that Bush has not only spent that surplus, he has also put us into the greatest national debt this country has ever known. And then there are the billions of “off the book” expenditures for Iraq. From the way he talked, he expected that debt to China to just disappear. When he could no longer hold his own in the argument, he ended it with a “you certainly do not understand finance, so there’s no reason to continue discussing this with you”. A cut-and-run Republican.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:03 amQ. Do you worry about the economy, Mr. President?
A. Not really.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:03 amHe tried to say that was all due to the Republicans controlling congress and forcing him to have a balanced budget. What a pile of rubbish.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 10, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Because it was the other way around.
They quickly forget Clinton’s vetos of pork filled bills and his forcing a government shutdown to make his point of sending balanced bills through.
Clinton was the most fiscally responsible president in the last 30 years.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:08 amBush’s view of the economy is a rather narrow one — all that matters is how “vibrant and strong” it is for his oil buddies, war profiteers, and other Bush benefactors. Bush has never seen the rest of the country, so it doesn’t even exist for him.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:08 amTwenty-two percent of those with a high school education or less named the economy as the country’s worst problem, compared to eight percent with college degrees.
Well that makes sense. These are the people whose good jobs have been sent out of our country. They are the people who not have to work two jobs to make even close to what they were making before their job left to go to India. On the other hand, I expect you are going to start seeing the more educated losing their jobs soon. Our US companies are starting to export our technological jobs too along with other white collar jobs.
For the life of me I will never understand why people think sending US jobs out of the country is a good idea for this country. It is a good idea for the bottom line profit of a corporation, but it is a very BAD idea for our nation.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:08 amIt is a good idea for the bottom line profit of a corporation, but it is a very BAD idea for our nation.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 10, 2007 @ 10:08 am
And BAD, Bad, Bad for customer service and customer satisfaction.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:14 amWhen you call for tech help and get someone from India reading a script, it is really frustrating, especially if it ends up that the customer knows more about the problem than the outsourced tech.
As I said, I can almost pity any president who has to lie about the economy to prop it up. But not this one. He and his administration’s policies made it worse, and he feels no guilt about lying to us anyway.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — October 10, 2007 @ 9:59 am
I agree. But most Presidents inherit the cycle of the economy that their term lands in. In this case, GWB inherited a healthy economy. His policies destroyed every facet of it. Anyone who has invested in the U.S. during GWB’s terms has seen their portfolio underperform compared to the opportunities in the rest of the world. That’s not to say there are no opportunities in U.S. companies, they’re just fewer & farther between. I unloaded my entire U.S. portfolio the day GWB stole the first election. It’s almost time to get back in. Maybe after the debacle in Iran begins.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:21 amAren’t most poorly educated people also the poorest?
Comment by Tweedster — October 10, 2007 @ 10:00 am
I think thats an over-generalization. While I can realisitically understand those who are less educated tend to not earn as much, I’m not about equivocate uneducated with poorness.
Really the point I was trying to make is that the economy is actually doing good – if you’re rich. Otherwise, the gap between the rich and the poor is widening and the the underclasses are getting larger.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:21 am… and the the underclasses are getting larger.
Comment by dim wit — October 10, 2007 @ 10:21 am
… and larger, and larger, and larger!
October 10th, 2007 at 10:23 amReally the point I was trying to make is that the economy is actually doing good – if you’re rich.
Comment by dim wit — October 10, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Not really. Consider that your $ has dropped a ton in the last 4 years. Even if you’ve earned 50-60% in that time you could still be behind. I’ll agree that there are far more opportunities to make money if you’re wealthy, but the U.S. economy is still languishing behind much of the world.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:26 amHe and his administration’s policies made it worse, and he feels no guilt about lying to us anyway.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — October 10, 2007 @ 9:59 am
The problem w/ lying is that you have to practice it to be good at it. The more you practice, the better you get, and the easier it gets to lie well. Eventually, it’s gets far easier to lie than to tell the truth, and you end up lying all the time. Because you’ve practiced so much, it’s become automatic. In the end, you don’t even know when you’re lying or not anymore, and you can’t stop, because it’s all you know how to do.
Bush sailed past the point of knowing whether or not he’s lying several years ago. He can’t tell anymore.
I’ve seen this happen to people, BTW.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:29 amhe ended it with a “you certainly do not understand finance, so there’s no reason to continue discussing this with youâ€. A cut-and-run Republican.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 10, 2007 @ 10:03 am
This guy sounds fairly tame. A lot of Republicans would have cut-and-run by saying “you just hate Bush.”
October 10th, 2007 at 10:32 amA lot of Republicans would have cut-and-run by saying “you just hate Bush.â€
Comment by VerbalKint — October 10, 2007 @ 10:32 am
How do you arrange group therapy for 30% of the population?
October 10th, 2007 at 10:35 amEspecially when they don’t want to go?
You can only be helped when you’re ready to be helped…
October 10th, 2007 at 10:41 amWhen he could no longer hold his own in the argument, he ended it with a “you certainly do not understand finance, so there’s no reason to continue discussing this with youâ€.
Reminds me of this idiot TP troll yesterday, some dumb blowhard using the nick Billy Hill crowing about how great the economy is, boasting that “the debt is LESS than 1.6 % of GDP which makes it the lowest in the last 50 years.”
Debt/GDP ratio = 1.6%? That’s not even close to reality. In reality, $9 trillion gross national debt / $13 trillion GDP = almost 70%.
When the wingnut’s stupid mistake was pointed out to him, rather than own up to his error like a responsible adult, he retired to powder his nose in silence like a whiny child.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:48 amComment by Dave C — October 10, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Unemployment is currently at 4.7%. Full employment is generally considered to be 3%, but the number fluctuates
There is virtually no inflation nor is their deflation.
And the value of the dollar is not based on the economy, but rather on the faith in the federal government, the increased deficit, and the actions of the Fed.
While I’m not going to say America’s economy is going gang-busters, it isn’t entirely shitty and those who feel the negative effects of the economy are going to be the poor.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:51 amWe have every reason to believe that the economy will continue to be strong for the forseeable future. Folks who are not held back by negativity will know how to capitalize on it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 10, 2007 @ 10:45 am
Only those of you who lie to yourselves can buy this insane line. Record-setting growth? Prove it; you can’t. Staistically nonexistent unemployment” Even the statistics put it at almost 5%, and we all know how the statistics re twisted and mangled in this fascist administration. Another lie you can’t back. The Dow is still lower than it was under clinton, in real terms. Taxes are higher for all but the rich, as you conveniently ignore the raising of local taxes to make up for the theft by Bush. the deficit is ballooning, but much of it is hidden “off budget”, so you are believing what they want you to believe, and seeing only what they want you to see. Natikonwide, it’s a lousy economy, and the leading idicators prove it, but you only see what you want to see. You are completely bamboozled by this crowd of liars, thieves and tricksters, but that’s no surprise, given y8our proven ignorance of current events and history. You sound exactly like a Nazi propaganda minister. Our dollar has never been weaker, nor our military. Good work, and Sig Heil, you poor, foolish Good German.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:54 amThe Dow has nearly doubled during Bush’s presidency. Taxes are lower. The deficit is shrinking.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 10, 2007 @ 10:45 am
The Dow Jones on Jan 19, 2001 was 10,587. It closed yesterday at 14,164. That represents a 33.7% increase, an average compound growth rate of 4.4% per year that GWB has been in office. Hardly doubling and hardly stellar. Lagging behind most if not all other G7 nations.
The deficit is huge & has been huge for the entire presidency of GWB. The fact that it’s lower now then before is wonderful. That’s like a battered wife saying “on the good side, my husband beats me 20% less then he used to”. Your debt is growing at an alarming pace. Your deficit still exists. GWB inherited an economy that was creating a surplus.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:56 amThe far-left needs to be careful with these blanket statements that have no basis in fact. It really degrades your ability to defend your positions when wild statements such as this are so prevelent on leftist websites. Guilt by association, ya’ know….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 10, 2007 @ 10:55 am
and yet you have no real comeback at all, no proof of your position, except to continue to function as if you had a brain. Bush lies every time he speaks in public, without fail, and always has. His lies, in fact, fill a book, and many of them are quite easy for any patriot to pick out, starting with WMD in Iraq, Saddam and terrorists, etc., etc., far to many to ennumerate here; as I said, a bookfull. You fail to notice, with your humorous warning about the left’s blanket statements, that the right is shrinking every day, that people are resigning from your party in droves, that Republican politicians are retiring and running away in record numbers, and that over 70% of the American people HATE George Bush and the Republican party. You are in the tiny minority of brain-damaged jingos who have no understanding of the American ideal, or the Constitution of the United States. Your minority status will be cemented for decades next November, and Aemrica will once again be rescued by the left, as has historically happened since the very founding of this nation. You are extraordinarily ignorant and untruthful.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:01 amThe Dow Jones on Jan 19, 2001 was 10,587. It closed yesterday at 14,164. That represents a 33.7% increase.
That is correct, under Bush the Dow has risen 33%. For reference, during the Clinton presidency the Dow rose from 3300 to 10,600 — an increase of 320%.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:01 amWhy does Lefty hate Germans?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 10, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Because they, like you, ignored the very antipatriot that was their leader. “Good Germans”, by the way, a phrase used by the Reich to designate those who followed without thinking, right into defeat. Like you.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:03 amUnemployment is currently at 4.7%. Full employment is generally considered to be 3%, but the number fluctuates
And the value of the dollar is not based on the economy, but rather on the faith in the federal government, the increased deficit, and the actions of the Fed.
Comment by dim wit — October 10, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Unemployment is a poor indicator of the quality of the jobs. Outsourcing has taken many high paying jobs out of Americans’ hands and they’ve been replaced with low-skilled menial jobs. But the unemployment rate won’t show that. The fact that people are working but earning less is one of the reasons the uneducated are harder hit by this economy while the wealthy prosper.
The value of your dollar is affected by much more then the fed rate. Your trade deficit is one big factor. You buy much more goods from outside of the U.S. then you export. Therefore your dollar is not in demand as everyone is sitting on it. Therefore it’s worth less… on the way to becoming worthless. Your deficit has a huge impact on your dollar for the very same reason… too many people are sitting on too much U.S. debt… they don’t want your dollars any more, they have more then they need.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:04 amHeh, bigfoot’s getting his ass handed to him again and again. You’d think this putz would learn something from ahving facts thrown at him day in, day out, but the “Good German” in him hates that the facts lean left.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:04 amThat is correct, under Bush the Dow has risen 33%. For reference, during the Clinton presidency the Dow rose from 3300 to 10,600 — an increase of 320%.
Comment by koko the talking gorilla — October 10, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Also correct. So the average compound rate of growth of the Dow during the Clinton presidency was 15.7% and 4.4% during GWB. And somehow GWB is lauded by the Republican voters for turning this thing around. What a joke.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:07 amO. Bigfoot and Billy Hill, the idiot I talked about here are one and the same. Compare their very similar posts; note how the reference to debt-GDP ratios was deleted from her/his argument.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by Dave C — October 10, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?
I noted previously the gap in wealth and I agree the dollar is dropping. You noted it is because of a shitty economy which isn’t entirely true. I agree the world wants less dollars, which does effect the value of the dollar, but how does the dropping value of the dollar affect the average american or the economy. Actually a dropping dollar makes American goods and services appear cheaper to the rest of the world and makes demand for such products rise which would boost the economy. So as long as you’re not buying imported goods the crappy dollar doesn’t affect you all that much.
And before you mention China, lets note the Yuan is essentially pegged to the dollar anyway.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:17 ambigfoot is just another ignorant hick onhis knees in front of Bush because he’s bought all of the Rovian fear-mongering. These are the very same cowards who are too busy to enlist to go fight our “enemy”, but with plenty of time to bring their concocted lies and fascist propaganda here, fact-free and full of truthiness.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:18 amComment by dim wit — October 10, 2007 @ 11:17 am
I’m saying that a devalued US$ is not an indicator of a good economy. It shows a lessening confidence in your economy by the rest of the world, for a large number of reasons. I was also saying that the unemployment number, on its own, is also not a good indicator of the economy of a country.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:19 amIt is a good idea for the bottom line profit of a corporation, but it is a very BAD idea for our nation.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 10, 2007 @ 10:08 am
Which points to what happens when the two become inseparable: corporation and country. Fascism, straight up.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:20 amPoll all you want. People’s “feelings” are not what make an economy strong or weak. Hard numbers always tell the story luckily. People will always want more, its human nature. I wouldn’t mind more myself but does that mean the economy is horrid? Far from it. We have incredibly low unemployment. Are people upset that their 401k’s didn’t go up enough? Are the ultra poor upset they actually have a job? Are the super rich upset they didn’t see ultra super returns on their investments since they only got a “super” return?
My point is people are always left wanting. It doesn’t make the economy bad. It is fun to watch you folks try to spin this economy as bad when all true evidence tells another story. Do you really honestly think a poll on peoples “feelings” tells a true story of this countries economic success or failure? REALLY?
October 10th, 2007 at 11:22 amActually, Roger_Roger, because the expectations of individuals and firms regarding the future state of the economy play a extremely important role in shaping their future spending and saving behaviors, those expectations i.e. “feelings”, do indeed play a vital role in shaping the economy’s future.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:30 amFinally!!!
The “less educated” have figured out that the Bushies consider them to be nothing more than faceless, voiceless SLAVES to be used up and then discarded.
Perhaps they’ll follow up on this brilliant deduction and vote DEMOCRATIC.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:41 am“The far-left needs to be careful with these blanket statements that have no basis in fact.”
The far-right also needs to be careful with these blanket statements that have no basis in fact: like “liberal media.”
October 10th, 2007 at 11:48 am#37 Like when the Fed Reserve announced they will probably be cutting rates. That created an “expectation” that our economy will grow even more. This created wealth for a vaste majority of Americans in One day as their retirement account increased with the news. Once they implement those cuts, we will see even further growth and further wealth increases across the board for most Americans. As long as unemployment is low and people are making money, we really can’t call this economy all that bad. Calling it a horrible economy is an amazing over statement.
October 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amLike when the Fed Reserve announced they will probably be cutting rates.
Comment by Roger_Roger — October 10, 2007 @ 11:56 am
The Fed cut rates to bailout the subprime industry. It was a bad mistake and your $ is reflecting that. Basically the Fed only controls the short term rates so they were lowered by 50 points while the long term rates increased in reaction to the cut. This was the exact opposite effect to what was desired. So for those that are in subprime mortgages and want to get out the cost of long term mortgages went up. For those that were smart enough not to jump into a subprime mortgage they have been penalized by the dropping $. Basically the Feds bailed out large mortgage companies instead of letting the market penalize them for their behavior. The result isn’t good for anyone.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:13 pmComment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
So GWB didn’t have a Rep Congress until 2006? Why didn’t they “force” a balanced budget? What kind of Congress should GWB have had for the first 5 years of his administration?
Bush also lost 2 million jobs when he took power. The job growth since that time has been the replacement of these jobs with lower skilled, lower paying jobs.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:26 pmComment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
The only disagreement that you have with my point then is that you credit the surplus of the Clinton years to the Republicans. I’m not surprised. The bottom line is that there were surpluses during the Clinton admin and huge deficits for GWB. You can see that as a nuance between different groups of conservatives but all I see is that Bush has cost the country a ton of money. Huge deficits do not make for responsible countries. Nor are they indicative of healthy economies.
October 10th, 2007 at 12:42 pmNice try by Frodo Thomas last night with his rambling 22 straight periods of growth gobbledygook…Keep it up, repukelickins, you’re headed straight for the dumpster in 08!
October 10th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThompson, Frodo Thompson…!
October 10th, 2007 at 12:55 pmBigfoot: “Fact is, the economy is booming: Record setting growth. Statistically nonexistant unemployment. The Dow has nearly doubled during Bush’s presidency. Taxes are lower. The deficit is shrinking. Nationwide, it’s a great economy, and leading indicators prove it.”
It’s getting to the point where conservatives simply don’t care to see the facts. They respond with absurd propaganda-influenced nonsense and then, minutes later ruminate about how the left “shouldn’t make blanket statements.” Everything about Bigfoot’s economic pronouncement here is wrong. EVERYTHING. The only “record setting growth” recorded is within a small segment of large corporate profits. The tax burden for the vast majority of Americans, when increases in State taxes and fees are factored in, has risen, not fallen. The Dow has gone up a couple thousand from around 11,000, certainly not “doubled” as this cultist claims. The deficit has gone way up since Clinton (it’s not “shrinking”). And the ONLY indicator which has looked good is large corporate profits.
There is no way to convince a sociopathic conservative cultist of this reality. Their brains have been fried by conservative propaganda. Thankfully, this group of insane morons really IS shrinking.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:09 pmron: “The Republican congress during the Clinton adm were more fiscally conservative, the congress during bush adm wasnt which is why many republicans voted them out.”
The fiscally responsible thing Clinton did was to raise the top marginal rate by 3%. This led to balanced budgets and a slight drop in the debt. No republican voted in favor. In fact, all predicted that this tax increase would cause a recession or even a depression. Bush’s Repub congress was the same, basically, as Clinton’s, and was responsible for the biggest increase in discretionary spending in 50 years.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:13 pmThank You Tp for shedding some light on the current economy. It’s becoming the 300 lb gorilla in the room that nobody seems to talk about, gone grocery shopping lately? Obviously gasoline prices are obscene.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:33 pmAnd how about the Dollars purchasing power, it’s becoming a second class currency, nice work dubya
It is so obvious why the Republic666ans have ran this country into debt, first it’s a great way to enrich their corporate buddies and secondly when the Democrats next take office they will find that any thoughts about social programs will be out of the question.
I remember watching an interview with President Clinton who talked about his first 100 days in office and what he wanted to accomplish, he lamented that he immediately realized that most of what he wanted to do he couldn’t because of the massive debt left him by Presidents Bush and Reagan.
This is all part of the plan. Johnny-come-lately Presidential candidate Fred Thompson said just the other day that social security benefits will have to be adjusted, saying that the age should be upped.
It’s a win-win for the Republic666ans, enrich their friends and tie the hands of Democrats, and if they do it well enough even turn the clock back on “entitlement” programs. Not Corporate welfare entitlement programs, but those for the working class.
It just makes me sick.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:43 pmComment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
ron, put the burger/coke down & look at the big picture…
U.S. Debt – pre GWB – $5,727,776,738,304
today – $9,061,740,457,088
U.S. Trade Deficit – pre GWB $379,835,000
today $562,608,000
U.S. Dollar in Cdn $ – pre GWB $1.51 Cdn
October 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pmtoday $0.98 Cdn
ron,
Ooooooh the Whooper, a micro representation of macroeconomics, brilliant!
I must confess I’m not all that well versed on the price of fast food but a trip to the grocery store is indeed a shocking experience. It’s mostly driven by fuel prices
It is not a coincidence that since dubya was appointed our “leader” that gas prices have climbed insanely.
I suppose the deficit can be explained by the Chinese, Indians, or Mexicans right? Please!
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck… there is a reason that Exxon makes record profits quarter after quarter after an “oilman” becomes President and it has nothing to do with China.
As far as illegals, you punk Republic666ans have no basis whatsoever to
b!tch as ya’ll had control of every branch of government for six years and did NOTHING about it. It’s just inciting class warfare and stirring dummies like you up.
Ooooh the socialst word again, Jesus H. Christ you are a one trick pony.
Tricle down economics all over again, what a retard.
My walk like a duck meter tells me I’m getting squeezed and I’m not happy about it and neither are a lot of my friends, even my Conserv666ative friends are feeling the squeeze.
These blackhearted evil people will soon go the way of their predecessors like Nixon into the shadows to stew in their shame.
October 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pm54,
I think it’s more that the less educated fear their blackhearted taskmasters and their campaign of cashing in the American dream on the backs of the working poor.
October 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pmBush’s economy only looks good compared to the depths to which Bush took it—not to any genuine comparison.
Clinton inherited record deficit and took it consistently to record surpluses. W did the reverse. Clinton average month=237,000 new jobs. W average month=72,000 new jobs.
As koko said, W increased DJIA by 33% while Clinton increased it by 320%. But for a long time, W had it 20-30% lower than what he inherited.
Clinton inherited 7.5% unemployment from Poppy and took it consistently down to 3.9% W inherited that and took it to 6.5% before it came down to 4.7% and now falsely claims that it is at its lowest in decades!!!
US had biggest trade surplus in world under Carter. After 2-3 years of Reaganomics, it became biggest trade deficit.
First 200 years of US (ending with Carter) our debt was $0.9 trillion. After 12 years of Reagan/Bush, it became $4.1 Trillion.
October 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmMedian wage (after adjustment for inflation) since W has come into office has fallen! First time that has happened since Great Depression.
For last 87 years (as long as records kept) everytime a Democratic president has followed a Republican, the job growth rate has improved. Everytime a Republican president has followed a Democrat, the job growth rate has worsened. That’s something you won’t hear on the “liberal media”.
October 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThe entire debt of the U.S. can be attributed to Reagan, Bush Sr & Bush Jr.
October 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pmComment by Tracy1 — October 10, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
No, leftypatriot is not. There is a huge amount of room on the political spectrum in between the two extremes of government-corporate rule and nationalization of all industries.
Look at the best countries in the world—Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Japan, Austria, Australia, etc. They do not have a single citizen without healthcare. Going to Oxford or Cambridge is not a question of money. They are not working for $5.15 per hour. They are not working a 60-hour week. They are working a 36-hour week. They aren’t working with no sick pay, no holiday pay, and no annual leave. Their currency isn’t tanking.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI dont want to live under socialism- why cant we be a free country and let us make our own decisions?
Universal health care will not prevent you from visiting a privately-paid doctor, if you want to.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:52 pmWe already have functioning government mandated and funded health care members of Congress, for veterans, for the poor and the elderly, so all the screeching about “socialistic†medicine is just noise that serves only interests of the for-profit health insurance business.
October 10th, 2007 at 6:52 pmlets not forget all those democratic congresses as well
Comment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
There you go. You’ve put yourself in a position where you never feel the need for accountability. If a Rep Pres screws up you blame the Dems in Congress, if he does well it’s because of his actions. If a Dem Pres screws up it’s because of his (or her) actions, if he (she) does well it’s because of the Reps in Congress. Just step back for a second and realize how stupid that is. Grow a spine, man up and quit being so damned stupid. Even when GWB was in power, had a Rep Congress you still don’t hold your party accountable. It’s is mind boggling how you have to lie to yourself to carry on this charade.
October 10th, 2007 at 7:05 pmron: “I dont want to live under socialism- why cant we be a free country and let us make our own decisions?”
What makes you think socialism has anything necessarily to do with making your own decisions? And what makes you conflate progressive policies like single-payer health plans with socialism? You have the MAXIMUM amount of choice, for example, with a single-payer plan. You can go anywhere you want for healthcare. What makes you think people who live in societies with free elections and representation with some socialist policies are not free? The people of Europe might disagree with your perception that they are not free. Where on earth did you get all these strange misconceptions and lapses in logic? Who or what crammed all that crap into your head?
October 10th, 2007 at 7:06 pmThe entire debt of the U.S. can be attributed to Reagan, Bush Sr & Bush Jr.
Comment by Dave C
lets not forget all those democratic congresses as well
Comment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Again, ron, where do you get these stinking nuggets of propaganda? Here are the facts: 7 out of the 8 years of Reagan, congress ended up spending LESS than the Reagan administration requested. Congress ended up spending less than GHW Bush’s administration requested every year. So, no, congress was NOT the motivating force behind the explosion of debt brought to us by modern Republicans in the executive branch.
October 10th, 2007 at 7:10 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — October 10, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
What’s more troubling is not that someone like ron repeats this garbage, it’s that he doesn’t care if it’s right or wrong. He chooses not to investigate for himself because he doesn’t care. All he wants from his talking heads are the words to repeat to defend the policies of his chosen party. The truthiness of those words don’t matter, so long as he has the words. I don’t understand how one can comfort themself with obvious lies but Reps seem quite adept at it. I guess in the end it allows them to elect criminals and feel no remorse as the rights of their countrymen are stripped away.
October 10th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI did look at what you said in #48. You’re ignoring the fact that Debt/GDP% has risen during Reagan, Bush Sr. & Bush Jr.’s reign. It’s not an isolated incident the way you make it sound. This is not something that’s new. Since WWII every President except Reagan/Bush Sr/Bush Jr has reduced the Debt/GDP %. Those 3 alone have accounted for the increase in Debt/GDP % since WWII. Just think about that and realize that this talking point about fiscal conservatism is just that… a talking point. It is not borne out by actions. They say it & you believe it. So you’re right, I haven’t had anything good to say about Republicans in the last 30 years. But then again, I don’t focus on the cost of a burger.
btw, surely you have realized that Bush isn’t doing anything to keep you safe. His policies have worsened terrorism worldwide. 9/11 was the best thing for his Presidency. It allowed him to do all of the things he planned to do anyway. He used your fear to get elected. Then he emptied the treasury. Do you have kids? Grandkids? If so, or if you plan to, you should go and apologize to them right now for all of the debt that they will inherit from this Presidency.
October 10th, 2007 at 7:56 pmI dont want to live under socialism- why cant we be a free country and let us make our own decisions?
Comment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
The countries I mentioned in #66 have MORE freedom than we do. What makes you think they do not?
If you live in the US where everything anyone could possibly imagine is a question of how much you earn—-and you earn $7.50 per hour with no healthcare, and you have a wife and two kids and the rent on your 2-bedroom apartment is $800 per month—-then you are free to do absolutely nothing at all!!!!!
October 10th, 2007 at 9:39 pmwhy didnt he (Clinton) stop the first WTC bombing.
Comment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
This occurred one month and six days after Clinton took office, so of course, cons blame Clinton. The perps were found, convicted, and in jail today.
When 9/11 happened 7 months and 21 days after W took office, cons say that was obviously Clinton’s fault for not doing enough, because W had only just come in!
Cons say the US lives lost in Somalia were Clinton’s fault, even though he inherited the situation from Poppy Bush and Clinton actually reduced US troops there.
When Clinton sent forces to Bosnia to stop the killing (250,000 had died there under Poppy Bush) all the Republicans squealed “you are going to get our troops killed” and “you are just trying to distract us from Monica”. No American lives were lost.
When Clinton sent troops to Haiti to remove the dictator and restore the democratic leader, all the cons squealed “that’s nation-building and you’re going to kill our troops”. No US troops died.
Today, cons blame Clinton for not going into Rwanda. But at the time, no Republicans wanted to go into Rwanda.
All spin, all the time.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:53 pmrepu hat fact,
Right. It’s all psychological defense mechanisms. Freud could have a field day.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:05 pmThree million manufacturing jobs lost under president W.
If his average monthly job gain is 72,000 and the country needs 140,000 jobs gain every month just to keep up with population growth—–then how can he claim to have done such a wonderful job with the economy???
Answer: he knows how ignorant his followers are and he knows the media will never call him on it!
October 11th, 2007 at 7:10 pm