If his average monthly job gain is 72,000 and the country needs 140,000 jobs gain every month just to keep up with population growth—–then how can he claim to have done such a wonderful job with the economy???

Answer: he knows how ignorant his followers are and he knows the media will never call him on it!

Right. It’s all psychological defense mechanisms. Freud could have a field day.

This occurred one month and six days after Clinton took office, so of course, cons blame Clinton. The perps were found, convicted, and in jail today.

When 9/11 happened 7 months and 21 days after W took office, cons say that was obviously Clinton’s fault for not doing enough, because W had only just come in!

Cons say the US lives lost in Somalia were Clinton’s fault, even though he inherited the situation from Poppy Bush and Clinton actually reduced US troops there.

When Clinton sent forces to Bosnia to stop the killing (250,000 had died there under Poppy Bush) all the Republicans squealed “you are going to get our troops killed” and “you are just trying to distract us from Monica”. No American lives were lost.

When Clinton sent troops to Haiti to remove the dictator and restore the democratic leader, all the cons squealed “that’s nation-building and you’re going to kill our troops”. No US troops died.

Today, cons blame Clinton for not going into Rwanda. But at the time, no Republicans wanted to go into Rwanda.

All spin, all the time.

The countries I mentioned in #66 have MORE freedom than we do. What makes you think they do not?

If you live in the US where everything anyone could possibly imagine is a question of how much you earn—-and you earn $7.50 per hour with no healthcare, and you have a wife and two kids and the rent on your 2-bedroom apartment is $800 per month—-then you are free to do absolutely nothing at all!!!!!

btw, surely you have realized that Bush isn’t doing anything to keep you safe. His policies have worsened terrorism worldwide. 9/11 was the best thing for his Presidency. It allowed him to do all of the things he planned to do anyway. He used your fear to get elected. Then he emptied the treasury. Do you have kids? Grandkids? If so, or if you plan to, you should go and apologize to them right now for all of the debt that they will inherit from this Presidency.

What’s more troubling is not that someone like ron repeats this garbage, it’s that he doesn’t care if it’s right or wrong. He chooses not to investigate for himself because he doesn’t care. All he wants from his talking heads are the words to repeat to defend the policies of his chosen party. The truthiness of those words don’t matter, so long as he has the words. I don’t understand how one can comfort themself with obvious lies but Reps seem quite adept at it. I guess in the end it allows them to elect criminals and feel no remorse as the rights of their countrymen are stripped away.

Again, ron, where do you get these stinking nuggets of propaganda? Here are the facts: 7 out of the 8 years of Reagan, congress ended up spending LESS than the Reagan administration requested. Congress ended up spending less than GHW Bush’s administration requested every year. So, no, congress was NOT the motivating force behind the explosion of debt brought to us by modern Republicans in the executive branch.

What makes you think socialism has anything necessarily to do with making your own decisions? And what makes you conflate progressive policies like single-payer health plans with socialism? You have the MAXIMUM amount of choice, for example, with a single-payer plan. You can go anywhere you want for healthcare. What makes you think people who live in societies with free elections and representation with some socialist policies are not free? The people of Europe might disagree with your perception that they are not free. Where on earth did you get all these strange misconceptions and lapses in logic? Who or what crammed all that crap into your head?

Comment by ron — October 10, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

There you go. You’ve put yourself in a position where you never feel the need for accountability. If a Rep Pres screws up you blame the Dems in Congress, if he does well it’s because of his actions. If a Dem Pres screws up it’s because of his (or her) actions, if he (she) does well it’s because of the Reps in Congress. Just step back for a second and realize how stupid that is. Grow a spine, man up and quit being so damned stupid. Even when GWB was in power, had a Rep Congress you still don’t hold your party accountable. It’s is mind boggling how you have to lie to yourself to carry on this charade.

Universal health care will not prevent you from visiting a privately-paid doctor, if you want to.

No, leftypatriot is not. There is a huge amount of room on the political spectrum in between the two extremes of government-corporate rule and nationalization of all industries.

Look at the best countries in the world—Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Japan, Austria, Australia, etc. They do not have a single citizen without healthcare. Going to Oxford or Cambridge is not a question of money. They are not working for $5.15 per hour. They are not working a 60-hour week. They are working a 36-hour week. They aren’t working with no sick pay, no holiday pay, and no annual leave. Their currency isn’t tanking.

For last 87 years (as long as records kept) everytime a Democratic president has followed a Republican, the job growth rate has improved. Everytime a Republican president has followed a Democrat, the job growth rate has worsened. That’s something you won’t hear on the “liberal media”.

Clinton inherited record deficit and took it consistently to record surpluses. W did the reverse. Clinton average month=237,000 new jobs. W average month=72,000 new jobs.

As koko said, W increased DJIA by 33% while Clinton increased it by 320%. But for a long time, W had it 20-30% lower than what he inherited.

Clinton inherited 7.5% unemployment from Poppy and took it consistently down to 3.9% W inherited that and took it to 6.5% before it came down to 4.7% and now falsely claims that it is at its lowest in decades!!!

US had biggest trade surplus in world under Carter. After 2-3 years of Reaganomics, it became biggest trade deficit.

First 200 years of US (ending with Carter) our debt was $0.9 trillion. After 12 years of Reagan/Bush, it became $4.1 Trillion.

I think it’s more that the less educated fear their blackhearted taskmasters and their campaign of cashing in the American dream on the backs of the working poor.

Ooooooh the Whooper, a micro representation of macroeconomics, brilliant!
I must confess I’m not all that well versed on the price of fast food but a trip to the grocery store is indeed a shocking experience. It’s mostly driven by fuel prices

It is not a coincidence that since dubya was appointed our “leader” that gas prices have climbed insanely.

I suppose the deficit can be explained by the Chinese, Indians, or Mexicans right? Please!

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck… there is a reason that Exxon makes record profits quarter after quarter after an “oilman” becomes President and it has nothing to do with China.

As far as illegals, you punk Republic666ans have no basis whatsoever to
b!tch as ya’ll had control of every branch of government for six years and did NOTHING about it. It’s just inciting class warfare and stirring dummies like you up.

Ooooh the socialst word again, Jesus H. Christ you are a one trick pony.

Tricle down economics all over again, what a retard.

My walk like a duck meter tells me I’m getting squeezed and I’m not happy about it and neither are a lot of my friends, even my Conserv666ative friends are feeling the squeeze.

These blackhearted evil people will soon go the way of their predecessors like Nixon into the shadows to stew in their shame.

ron, put the burger/coke down & look at the big picture…

U.S. Debt – pre GWB – $5,727,776,738,304
today – $9,061,740,457,088

U.S. Trade Deficit – pre GWB $379,835,000
today $562,608,000

U.S. Dollar in Cdn $ – pre GWB $1.51 Cdn
today $0.98 Cdn

I remember watching an interview with President Clinton who talked about his first 100 days in office and what he wanted to accomplish, he lamented that he immediately realized that most of what he wanted to do he couldn’t because of the massive debt left him by Presidents Bush and Reagan.

This is all part of the plan. Johnny-come-lately Presidential candidate Fred Thompson said just the other day that social security benefits will have to be adjusted, saying that the age should be upped.

It’s a win-win for the Republic666ans, enrich their friends and tie the hands of Democrats, and if they do it well enough even turn the clock back on “entitlement” programs. Not Corporate welfare entitlement programs, but those for the working class.

It just makes me sick.