Glaciers disappearing from Glacier Park.
By on Oct 11th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Glaciers disappearing from Glacier Park.
The glaciers of Glacier Park are melting more quickly than expected. Dan Fagre, a research ecologist with the U.S. Geological Survey notes, “We’re about eight and a half years ahead of schedule. … They’re going faster than we thought.” The last official count in 1998 “pegged the number of glaciers here at 27, down from 150 a century ago.”
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Is it just me, or is it starting to get warm in here?
October 11th, 2007 at 7:22 pmAnother British study has proven that humidity levels are rising, which was predicted in the global warming models. They also proved this was not being caused by natural sources.
http://www.upi.com/ NewsTrack/ Science/ 2007/ 10/ 11/ global_warming_also_means_more_humidity/ 8084/
October 11th, 2007 at 7:27 pmThe Right Wing Loons will say hurray, we can wear our shorts to Glacier National Park now.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:34 pm“We’re about eight and a half years ahead of schedule.”
Wait, these glaciers were scheduled to be melted? ;)
October 11th, 2007 at 7:39 pmHoly Shit.
We need Gore to run for president to send a message that we are serious about global warming. How much time do we have left?
October 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pmCrap. I better get over there….before the place is just called “Park.”
October 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pmFOX news “Global Warming is profitable”
October 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pmCrap. I better get over there….before the place is just called “Park.â€
Comment by Zooey — October 11, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
LOL. Good one, Zooey. Do bring back pictures. When this thread dies down, I wonder how great a disparity there will be between what the count says and how many comments will actually remain. Global warming threads tend to bring out the worst in trolls. Maybe because actually trying to solve the problem will hurt their stock portfolios.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:49 pmHey, we can just change the name to “No Glacier Park”, or “Used To Have Glaciers Park”, or “Non-Glacier Park”…
Com’on, somebody… gimme some help here…
October 11th, 2007 at 7:50 pmMaybe because actually trying to solve the problem will hurt their stock portfolios.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — October 11, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Trolls??? STOCK PORTFOLIOS??? WTF????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… that is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read here.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmQueue Jason Hendler troll to make a comment on urban heat islands…..
OH, yeah, he got banned yesterday.
On subject:
October 11th, 2007 at 7:54 pmThis is just sad, and I am afraid we may already be at the tipping point of no return.
Trolls??? STOCK PORTFOLIOS??? WTF????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… that is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read here.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 11, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Exactly what I was thinking, TRoS. :-D
October 11th, 2007 at 7:55 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 11, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Yeah, that was pretty absurd, wasn’t it?
October 11th, 2007 at 7:57 pmHey, we can just change the name to “No Glacier Parkâ€, or “Used To Have Glaciers Parkâ€, or “Non-Glacier Parkâ€â€¦
Com’on, somebody… gimme some help here…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 11, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
“Montana Beach Park”
October 11th, 2007 at 7:57 pmWayne, I tried to get over there this summer, but it wasn’t meant to be. Next summer — definitely.
Unless that “life” thing rears it’s ugly head again…
October 11th, 2007 at 7:58 pm“They’re going faster than we thought.” Only if you believe your lying eyes.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:02 pmI am getting ready to retire and I am looking for an other summer home.
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Holes in that puptent, Billy? Or is that the year-round home? Enjoy your mountains without any water, by the way, you moron. You’ll last about 3, maybe 4, days.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:14 pmComment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Those are living the life don’t generally feel the need to brag.
Loser.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:33 pmWhy haven’t they done a more recent official count? 1998? God, that’s almost a decade ago. There could be even fewer than they think.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:40 pmheer up lefty, if you work as hard and as long as I have you could enjoy all that this great county has to offer ……cheer’s.
Comment by Hilly Billy — October 11, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
This guy’s a fraud. He lives in his mother’s basement, guzzling Mountain Dew and poppin’ Oxycontin all day.
Talk about PATHETIC…
October 11th, 2007 at 8:47 pm“Montana Beach Parkâ€
Comment by Luis M — October 11, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Okay… that works… anymore???
October 11th, 2007 at 8:48 pmLook at those beautiful mountains that were covered up by those useless glaciers. I am going to see if there are any lots for sale adjacent of those mountains…I am getting ready to retire and I am looking for an other summer home.
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
This kind of comment is just too stupid for words.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:49 pmGlacier Park will hereafter be know as “oil exploration site” and that’s why dumbshits like the Hillbilly here are drooling all over themselves.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:51 pmBetter cut back on the meth Hillbilly. You’ve obviously never even met anybody with real money or you’d know how ridiculous you sound. If you do have money it’s really NEW stinky money and you won’t have it for long and since the only thing you’re smart enough to do is sell drugs you better save it for your defense.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:54 pmWhat happened to Shitkicker Billy, did he embarass himself with his own stupidity?
October 11th, 2007 at 8:55 pmdid he embarass himself with his own stupidity?
Comment by Shayne — October 11, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Not possible…
He’s passed out on the floor, after that 5th bottle of T-Bird by 7:00pm.
We oughta sneak in and put his hand in a container of slightly warm water… OOPS!!! Apparently we are TOO late!
October 11th, 2007 at 9:04 pmThe only warm cuddly feeling these wingnuts get is when they wet themselves. He’s probably happier than he’s been all day.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:07 pmBush said there’s no Global Warming and the UK Judge said it’s not true. Now we see it we feel it and we’re effected by it what do we believe. Like the people on the Titanic saw the boat sinking and still were told it’s not sinking. Smart people got of the boat, others followed the liars and drown. The story is told by those who knew not to follow a liar. God has shown us what has happen because of the damage we’re done while the White House doesn’t care because they’re only concerned about the money.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:07 pmHe’s probably happier than he’s been all day.
Comment by Shayne — October 11, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
I kinda feel sorry for his mom, and the rug…
October 11th, 2007 at 9:09 pmNot the rug — again!!?
October 11th, 2007 at 9:20 pm…….. cheer up lefty, if you work as hard and as long as I have you could enjoy all that this great county has to offer ……cheer’s.
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
You should try an education, you hick.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:25 pmDidn’t Clinton have something to do with this?
/sarcasm off
October 11th, 2007 at 9:26 pmHillbilly doesn’t have a rug he has linoleum, but that’s in the family room. In the basement he has cement. Easier to hose him down though.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:27 pmNot the rug — again!!?
Comment by Zooey — October 11, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Again… and again… and yet AGAIN…
Appears we have a new “Mr P” here…
October 11th, 2007 at 9:31 pmAppears we have a new “Mr P†here…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 11, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
Ew. :P
BTW, does the Zoo have cooties…?
October 11th, 2007 at 9:33 pmBTW, does the Zoo have cooties…?
Comment by Zooey — October 11, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
Huh???
October 11th, 2007 at 9:34 pmBTW, does the Zoo have cooties…?
Comment by Zooey — October 11, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
Didn’t when I browsed through earlier,didn’t see any bugs at all.
But I did see this nasty stubbed toe.
( been busy off and on here at work, so didn’t get a chance to comment)
October 11th, 2007 at 9:38 pmBut I did have time to chase michael off the previous thread with one of the lies I caught him with.
I show up and poof, he is gone and no longer tormenting the threads with stupid.
Hillarious
October 11th, 2007 at 9:41 pmAlthough Co2 is certainly a warming gas, so is methane, which is produced in abundance by cattle. Nitrous Oxide, produced by cars and cows is some 300 times more potent that C02.
The melting is helped along by these gases AND the Milankovitch cycle. Earths orbit is currently nearly round, which increaes the amount of solar energy striking Earth [Paleoclimate]. Visible Earth Change
October 11th, 2007 at 9:42 pmHuh???
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 11, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
Whaddya mean “huh??” Do I need to put up a glacier thread?
October 11th, 2007 at 9:42 pmOff work and heading home, will drop in at the Zoo when I get home
;)
October 11th, 2007 at 9:45 pm…….. cheer up lefty, if you work as hard and as long as I have you could enjoy all that this great county has to offer ……cheer’s.
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007
What are you saying Billy? That you have spent forty years working at the local DQ and now you can buy a doublewide?
October 11th, 2007 at 9:49 pmThat you have spent forty years working at the local DQ and now you can buy a doublewide?
Comment by Xisithrus — October 11, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
“Ceptin’ he’s gonna leave it open in the middle, so’s he gots a view.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:53 pm“Ceptin’ he’s gonna leave it open in the middle, so’s he gots a view.
Comment by Zooey — October 11, 2007
Heh. Billy will be like, hey look at dem der glayshurs melting, hooo, hey wats dat red stuff and that smoke billering owt, and this warm grey snow falling…run for the hills dats a vowelcanoe!!
October 11th, 2007 at 9:56 pm…run for the hills dats a vowelcanoe!!
Comment by Xisithrus — October 11, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Lordy, we’d never hear the end of the pissing and moaning….
October 11th, 2007 at 10:00 pmGet a grip on reality kiddies.
Each of you better be doing your part to reduce your carbon footprint by reducing your driving, turning your thermostat to less comfortable levels (heat or cooling) to save energy and most importantly doing with less overall. Stop buying all the electronic junk that takes tons of earth energy to produce. Eat less, exercise more. Refrain from flying. ETC.
If you aren’t preparing to reduce to 80% of what footprint you ahve now by 2050 then you are not doing enough to stop the catastrophe.
Think it’s a joke. Read the newest book by Peter Ward, Under a Green Sky. Then laugh yourself through the next mass extinction.
Rocks don’t lie.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:01 pmThink it’s a joke. Read the newest book by Peter Ward, Under a Green Sky. Then laugh yourself through the next mass extinction.
Rocks don’t lie.
Comment by civil behavior — October 11, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Um, no shit, dude. We laugh in spite of the climate change on this planet — while we’re doing everything we can to reduce our part of the problem.
If you laugh now and then, you won’t feel such a great need to nail yourself on the cross.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:06 pmHey civil behavior, you’re preaching to the converted here. Maybe you should take it to some neocon site where you can convince them.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:15 pmHow about Glacier Memorial Park?
If their models are 8-1/2 to 10 years off, shouldn’t they be revising their models? Perhaps they didn’t take into account the trapped CO2, NO2 and Methane gas that’s been locked up in the ice for eons, along with God knows what else. Just sayin.
October 11th, 2007 at 10:56 pmPfffff no big deal. We just rename it “Park” then. The National Park Service will save a shitload on printing costs. PROBLEM SOLVED!
October 11th, 2007 at 11:20 pmtoasterhead,
Heh. See #6. ;)
October 11th, 2007 at 11:22 pmIf you laugh now and then, you won’t feel such a great need to nail yourself on the cross.
Comment by Zooey — October 11, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
This is much more difficult than you’d think. People usually get stuck after the first nail.
Also! Speaking of trapped greenhouse gasses, check my recent blogosphering on the Palaeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, a period of runaway climate change 55 million years ago that caused mass extinctions and took about 100,000 years to correct.
Good luck, great-grandchildren! :)
October 11th, 2007 at 11:27 pmHeh. See #6. ;)
Comment by Zooey — October 11, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
Yeah yeah yeah I was beaten to the initial joke but I made it metahumor ok! :(
October 11th, 2007 at 11:29 pmI’ll visit Park someday.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:30 pmTruth, just look at how that mountain was sliced on two sides by glaciers. Imagine what huge glaciers used to be there…
October 11th, 2007 at 11:42 pmPerhaps they didn’t take into account the trapped CO2, NO2 and Methane gas that’s been locked up in the ice for eons, along with God knows what else. Just sayin.
Comment by Roket — October 11, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Also with the ice melt, tectonic plate activity has started increasing, causing earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and tsunamis, especially in the Ring of Fire in the Pacific and in the Indian Ocean.
Rise in the ocean depth may possibly make it a bit worst because of the ocean ridges and trenches that are basically deep ocean fault lines, and very close to the magma sphere.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:42 pm“The glacier’s gone? Cool! We can finally go four-wheeling on dem darn hills now!!”
October 11th, 2007 at 11:50 pm~Average FauxNews watcher
Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
And what are those inaccuracies?
* The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
* The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
* The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.
* The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.
* The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
* The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
* The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
* The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
* The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
* The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
* The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.
Seriously Inconvenient Truth: Producers of Gore’s Film Asked to Return Oscars
“Given that the Oscar Award was presented in the documentary category and not the drama category, the only appropriate action now is for the Academy to rescind the Award as it was clearly inappropriately classed as a documentary.
LOL. You folks still in the deceived camp on Global Warming?
October 11th, 2007 at 11:59 pmLOL. You folks still in the deceived camp on Global Warming?
Comment by muckdog — October 11, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
No, not deceived by a link to a amatuerish drudge wanabe page but I am definately LMAO at that page.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:08 amSure muckdog, a right wing think tank in New Zealand thinks the facts are wrong and want’s the Oscar taken away. Do you know anybody in the Motion Picture Academy, I do. They are not worried about the science. And what “court” deemed the science inaccurate. A think tank is not a bunch of scientists. Could you be any bigger tool. I don’t think so.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:10 amHey muckdog, talk to us after you figure out evolution. This is all way over your infantile head.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:11 amLOL. You folks still in the deceived camp on Global Warming?
Comment by muckdog — October 11, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Evenin’ all… seein’ as that piece of flith is here spouting off again, I just thought I’d show ya one of his choicest comments of all time…
A real class act, our “li’l Muckie”!!!!
You folks really need to stop masturbating every time a US soldier dies in Iraq.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:20 amThe surge is working.
Comment by muckdog — August 8, 2007 @ 2:23 am
Oh yeah… REAL CLASS!!!!
October 12th, 2007 at 12:21 amLOL. You folks still in the deceived camp on Global Warming?
Comment by muckdog
Global warming is factual, if it weren’t we would still be living in an ice age now wouldn’t we? And there would be wooly mammoths running around. Parts of the Sahara desert were not so long ago tropical and had a wet past. What happened there Muckdoggy? It surely didn’t cool off now did it?
As for your first link,thinkprogress.org/2007/10/11/glaciers-disappearing-from-glacier-park/Court%20Identifies%20Eleven%20Inaccuracies%20in%20Al%20Gore%E2%80%99s%20%E2%80%98An%20Inconvenient%20Truth%E2%80%99 its bogus. As for your second link it runs in circles and never identifies this ‘government expert’ The inaccuracies have to be altered to due to political indoctrination not because warming is not happening. And I counted 9 inaccuracies.
From the link Muckdog gave, we find this:
According to his solicitor, Mr Dimmock[The truck driver/school governor that filed the suit] accepts that the planet is getting hotter; he is not trying to prevent climate change being taught in schools. What he does not accept is that sending out a 93-minute film made by the former vice-president of the United States is the right way to do it.
Seems your truck driver is living in the same reality we are, but you, apparently, are not Muckdog. You have tried this URL trick before, it aint gonna work and evertime you supply one of your idiot links to prove your point, it actually ends up disproving your point.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:37 amLMAO@MUCKDOG, your post:
LOL. You folks still in the deceived camp on Global Warming?
Comment by muckdog — October 11, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Has been debunked in rapid time! The truck driver/school governor that filed the suit admits that the planet is growing hotter!!
FeckDog doesn’t even read the links he supplys!!
Nice TRY, again, MuckDog.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:43 amHow you like me now Mucky BayyyyyyBeeeee!!??
October 12th, 2007 at 12:44 amYou folks really need to stop masturbating every time a US soldier dies in Iraq. The surge is working. -Muckdog
Well, anytime a neo-kook, koolaid swilling, over imaginative, tea-bagger accuse others of inappropiate behavior it is almost always a means to deflect attention away from their behavior.
The only people masturbating over war are the armageddonites of anti-christianism, who are ignorantly trying foment war in the middle east to hurry up the end-times theory by becoming self-appointed ‘gods helpers’ I dont think GOD appreciates the hypocrisy and being rushed.
The surge is not working because the Iraqi government is useless and powerless.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:52 amComment by muckdog — October 11, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
One more thing: Global climate change is not about a movie, you poor self-deluded sap.
The science behind global climate change is solid, regardless of how much mud you manage to sling, and how much you smear Gore or his film. Because regardless of what you or others say of the movie, fact remains that there is consensus in the scientific community that global climate change is real.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:56 amShorter muckdog: “The Earth is flat! The Earth is flat!”
October 12th, 2007 at 12:56 amThis is indeed an actual comment Li’l Muckie posted here back in August, guys. A sane person would be embarrassed to have said something like that, but not Muckie! If yer so inclined, please feel free to copy it off to a word doc, then cut and paste it every last time that POS shows up here.
You folks really need to stop masturbating every time a US soldier dies in Iraq.
The surge is working.
Comment by muckdog — August 8, 2007 @ 2:23 am
October 12th, 2007 at 1:10 amThey’ll be calling it Park National Park soon.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:14 am“LOL. You folks still in the deceived camp on Global Warming?”
Comment by muckdog
Coming from the disreputable king of GOP spin, it must be a compliment.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:35 amCongratulations, Al!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:10 amMuckdog likes to cite guys who think cigarettes are good for you and that the Twin Towers would have been saved if they had more asbestos in them! I think that says all you need to say about muckdog.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:32 amGO AL GORE!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:33 ammuckdog
Yeah, mudmut, the movie was so innacurrate that…
Al Gore and the IPCC just won a Nobel Peace prize for highlighting global warming.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:48 am.
October 12th, 2007 at 6:07 am.
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Take your kids to see Glacier National Park while there are still glaciers there…by the time they are old enough to take their own kids, they’ll all be gone…*shaking head*
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Congratulations to Al Gore!
October 12th, 2007 at 6:38 amThe science behind global climate change is solid, regardless of how much mud you manage to sling, and how much you smear Gore or his film. Because regardless of what you or others say of the movie, fact remains that there is consensus in the scientific community that global climate change is real.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 12, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Muckdog and his ilk can’t understand that kind of nuanced discourse, silly! The flat-earthers just look for small discrepancies and disagreements in the science -what most people understand as the rational discourse of the scientific method- and use these to back their already-held conclusion that the consensus is wrong.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:53 amZooey,
THere is NOTHING to laugh about with global warming. Nothing.
ANd I se alot of posts here and other blogs where people are spending hours and hours on a computer psoting back and forth. DO you even acknowledge the amount of ELECTRICITY it takes to continue this?
It’s time to shut it down and go out and actually talk to your neighbors. Spend time educating people about what they need to do. Spend less time online and more amongst the people who need the education.
And read the newest book I mentioned by Peter Ward. You will feel much worse about how close we might be to mass extinction and work harder to stop it. “Under a Green Sky”
October 12th, 2007 at 9:56 amDo you know anybody in the Motion Picture Academy, I do. They are not worried about the science.
I agree that the Motion Picture Academy doesn’t care one bit about science. They have proven to be liberal lap dogs. Science and facts don’t matter to liberals.
Global warming is factual… like the tooth fairy. I guess as long as money keeps showing up under the pillow, folks will believe it’s real. LMAO.
October 12th, 2007 at 10:17 amTHere is NOTHING to laugh about with global warming. Nothing.
Comment by civil behavior — October 12, 2007 @ 9:56 am
I agree, civil behavior, there is nothing funny about GW. However, I will find joy in life in spite of it.
My carbon footprint is next to nothing, how is yours? Do you actually assume no one is doing anything about GW but you?
I think the right would be thrilled if we all shut down our computers and started using word of mouth. Sorry, but I’m not into getting the wingnuts excited.
You throw yourself into that volcano, hun. I’ll stay here and do what I can — and encourage others to do the same.
October 12th, 2007 at 10:40 am* The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
Comment by muckdog — October 11, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Can there be “evidence” for something that hasn’t happened?
October 12th, 2007 at 11:39 am