Fewer U.S. Citizens Enroll In Medicaid Due To Conservatives’ Proof-Of-Citizenship Regulations
Fewer U.S. Citizens Enroll In Medicaid Due To Conservatives’ Proof-Of-Citizenship Regulations
Enrollment in Medicaid, the public health insurance program for our most vulnerable population, declined in 2006 for the first time in nearly a decade. A new report by the Kaiser Family Foundation finds that enrollment growth among the elderly and disabled was 40 percent less in 2006 than it was in 2005. Additionally, the number of children and parents enrolled in Medicaid decreased by 113 percent during this same period.
While this decline is in part due to two positive factors — an improved economy and low unemployment — another factor is at play: the conservatives’ cumbersome new regulation requiring proof of citizenship and identity when applying for Medicaid coverage.
This law was enacted in large part to prevent undocumented immigrants from enrolling in public programs such as Medicaid illegally even though evidence showed that illegal enrollment of undocumented immigrants into the program is not a problem.
What the law has done, however, is caused a drop in enrollment of eligible individuals. Reports are showing that the new rules have “contributed to slower enrollment growth in fiscal year 2007 and caused significant delays in processing applications and increased the administrative burdens placed on states” and individuals. For example:
– Child Medicaid enrollment in Virginia has declined by 4.3 percent among white children.
– Child Medicaid enrollment in Virginia has declined by 5.0 percent for African-American children.
Conservatives and President Bush have claimed to want to “help millions of Americans enjoy better care, new choices, and healthier lives.” But instead, the government has increased barriers for U.S. citizens to attain health insurance, signaling that its priorities are not in line with what is best for the American people.
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An improved economy and lower unemployment? What country is being written about here?
October 11th, 2007 at 5:41 pmIt isn’t enough that Chimpy has nauseated the majority of Americans , he’s now working on the kids …………
That poor kid he’s holding is gonna’ need years of counseling and psychiatric care….
October 11th, 2007 at 5:48 pmOnce again, the Republicans’ inclination for fixing a problem that didn’t exist ended up creating an actual, real problem -that others will have to solve, of course.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:49 pmI agree with the idea that only US citizens should be able to apply for, and receive Medicade. I am unsure what they mean by proof of citizenship? A birth certificate, or US passport should be able to resolve such issues easily, and with no confusion.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:52 pmNot only are priorities not in line with what’s best for the American people, they are not in line with the American people’s priorities.
I’m glad to see this debate out in the open now. The health of our citizens is being held hostage by a shrinking minority that simply does not have the same values that the more than 65% has, who agree all people should have coverage.
We may actually have to thank the mean spiritedness of Michelle Malkin, Mitch McConnell and Rush Limbaugh for heading us on the road to universal care.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThat poor kid he’s holding is gonna’ need years of counseling and psychiatric care….
Comment by MCMetal
You got that right. I betcha the kids smarter than W.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:55 pmIs this a new record? It says “58 comments” and there are seven on display.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:57 pmAnd yet Billy Hill is here calling somebody a meth addict for no reason. Guess he hasn’t been figured out, yet.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:59 pmA birth certificate, or US passport should be able to resolve such issues easily, and with no confusion.
Comment by Krazny
To me it sounds like another “poll tax” sort of thing. If you are poor, you probably do not have a passport – or the +/-$100 bucks it cost to get one. And if you asked me where my birth certificate was, I couldn’t tell you. I don’t know where it is. What other forms of ID would work (Drivers Lic, State ID, etc…)? Sounds like they are putting up barriers to discourage folks from looking to Medicaid as an option.
I truly think Republicans really love children – up until they are born, then they don’t seem to care for them any more.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:01 pmits paradise outside you mothers basement….I know, I just ordered a pizza, had my tires rotated, ordered airline tickets for the weekend, had my lawn mowed and never left my media room…what a country….
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
You live in your mother’s basement? Interesting. Be sure you don’t pile those pizza boxes up over by the boiler. Could be dangerous.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:02 pmI know, I just ordered a pizza, had my tires rotated, ordered airline tickets for the weekend, had my lawn mowed and never left my media room…what a country….
Comment by Billy Hill
That also means you have been spied on the whole time too. Yeah, what a country!
October 11th, 2007 at 6:03 pmConservatives and President Bush have claimed to want to “help millions of Americans enjoy better care, new choices, and healthier lives.â€
Yeah. What they CLAIM and what they DO are two very, very different things.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:04 pmMaybe it is a “poll tax”. Yes a passport is pricey. But you can get your birth certificate issued for far less. I had to get mine recently due to a name change, and it was I think 12 dollars or so. For the record I am in disagreement with a large number of liberals on the idea of showing ID at the polls too. I think for our democracy to succeed, we need to be able to verify who is voting, and asking for ID is not that out of the ordinary.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:05 pmhad my tires rotated
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Is that the new phrase in public restrooms?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:06 pmIt is hard to grasp reality when you are under hypnosis or on meth…please seek professional help….its paradise outside you mothers basement….I know, I just ordered a pizza, had my tires rotated, ordered airline tickets for the weekend, had my lawn mowed and never left my media room…what a country….
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Well, you’re the expert. Do you make your own meth, or do you trade it for a wide stance?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:08 pmFor the record I am in disagreement with a large number of liberals on the idea of showing ID at the polls too. I think for our democracy to succeed, we need to be able to verify who is voting, and asking for ID is not that out of the ordinary.
Comment by Krazny
Yep. Agreed 100%. The ID requirements cannot get too out of whack, but there must be a way to identify who is standing before the poll worker and requesting a ballot.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:09 pmHere’s an article on the pitfalls of this requirement:
On February 8, 2006, President George Bush executed a bill into law which now requires recipients of Medicaid benefits to provide either an original birth certificate or passport in order to apply for or to continue to receive their health care benefits, commencing July 1, 2006.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:10 pmOn February 8, 2006, President George Bush executed a bill into law which now requires recipients of Medicaid benefits to provide either an original birth certificate or passport in order to apply for or to continue to receive their health care benefits, commencing July 1, 2006.
Comment by Candyce — October 11, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
well, there you go. He has no trouble handing billions to Bremer to lose, but treat the sick? No, that’s too much socialism. Bush is the anti-president.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:12 pmWhat proof is there that the reduction in enrollment was directly the result of proof of citizenship?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pmI agree with the idea that only US citizens should be able to apply for, and receive Medicade. I am unsure what they mean by proof of citizenship? A birth certificate, or US passport should be able to resolve such issues easily, and with no confusion.
Comment by Krazny
Do you have any idea how many people in this country do not have a birth certificate, especially in the rural south? And many of these people lack the means or resources to be able to file the necessary papers to try to establish their identity.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:18 pmDaryll, you have to be joking. You actually see something wrong with taking care of sick people? Maybe we should turn this nation into the United States of Satan.
According to you, our tax dollars are much better spent on KILLING PEOPLE, eh?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:19 pmTP, you have to be joking. You actually see something wrong with producing proof of citizenship and identity to receive financial aid from the Government? Maybe we should turn this nation into the United States of Mexico.
Comment by Daryll
How very Christian of you Right Wing Loon Daryll. Did you know that approximately 5.7% of the citizens of the US do not have access to a birth certificate or passport. So in your Christian view, you think it is just fine that those people should not be allowed access to health care.
http://www.cbpp.org/9-22-06id.htm
October 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmComment by bilbobaggins — October 11, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I don’t Bilbo, on the other hand a birth certificate is issued for every child born. Keeping track of that paperwork is the responsibility of the parent, and the adult child. I don’t know what else to say Bilbo. I am not trying to deny anyone anything. But to be a full part of society as we have built it you need these things. You want a drivers license? guess what. How about paying taxes and social security?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:27 pmDon’t you get it!!!! It is their home country’s job to take care of them, not us. They broke the law and they are now financially exhausting this country.
Comment by Daryll
Right Wing Loon, the very Christian Daryll, thinks that undocumented immigrants are financially exhausting our country. The good Christian Daryll is showing his ignorance again.
Americans believe that undocumented immigrants are exploiting the United States’ economy. The widespread belief is that illegal aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy. This belief is undeniably false. [E]very empirical study of illegals’ economic impact demonstrates the opposite . . .: undocumenteds actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584
October 11th, 2007 at 6:29 pmJust an other duty to being a “good American†living right here in Paradise.
Comment by Billy Hill
Yeah, I noticed you used the word “duty”. Hitler made sure all his speeches had at least two references to the “duty” of the German people contained within them. Maybe you are in good company?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pmMaybe we should turn this nation into the United States of Mexico.
Comment by Daryll — October 11, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Did you read the part where it said illegals applying for medicaid was not an issue. How very Christian of you, jumping on every opportunity to deprive children of healthcare.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:31 pmI not only want my government to record ALL of my phone conversations I want them to digitally store all of my e-mails and watch my movements in public as well. What ever means that is necessary to keep the county safe is fine by me.
Comment by Billy Hill — October 11, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Perhaps you should move to some country where everybody is already deprived of the freedoms you’re so willing to give up. Perhaps North Korea would take you.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:33 pmKeeping track of that paperwork is the responsibility of the parent, and the adult child. I don’t know what else to say Bilbo. Krazny
Well, you could try educating yourself. There are thousands of people who live in the rural areas of this country who were not born in a hospital and who were never issued birth certificates. It is a lot less likely to happen today, but it still does. Would you deny these people access to medical care because they were poor and their mothers couldn’t afford to give birth in an expensive hospital? Many also didn’t even think about what not having a birth certificate would mean to them. Many never went to public school and earn a living by working their land. So, because they were poor and ignorant to the need to have a birth certificate, they should today be denied health care.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmMany never went to public school and earn a living by working their land. So, because they were poor and ignorant to the need to have a birth certificate, they should today be denied health care.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 11, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Uh… I can see yer point, but that’s just a little over the top. I’m not really sure exactly what part of the country you’re talking about??
October 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pmomment by republicans hate facts — October 11, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
A very good point, and one I hadn’t considered. I don’t think there is an easy answer. We do need to make it easier for the citizens of the US to obtain the paperwork they need to be able to live in society. I am not against that. Make getting a reissue of your birth certificate easier, or cheaper. As someone above pointed out they want your original Birth certificate, and that would make things almost impossible for millions.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:37 pmComment by bilbobaggins — October 11, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Not in the least. But how active are they in society if they don’t have a birth certificate, or a drivers license?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:38 pmWhat ever means that is necessary to keep the county safe is fine by me.
Comment by Hilly Billy — October 11, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
This is such a blatantly nutty comment it’s hard to take it seriously.
Li’l Hilly Billy can’t possibly mean this. He claims he wants to live in a total police state, w/ 24 hr a day total surveillance. Perhaps he should report to a zoo, a psyche ward, or a maximum security lock up.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:40 pmNot in the least. But how active are they in society if they don’t have a birth certificate, or a drivers license?
Comment by Krazny
How about they live on a piece of property in the Appalachia’s planting their own food and earning a living doing odd jobs or making quilts. There are thousands of people in rural areas who have never held a regular job and don’t drive cars. You do know that not all Americans live in big cities and drive cars, don’t you? There are even people in big cities like New York who never have had a driver’s license and do not have a birth certificate.
You have a typical Right Wing Loon narrow view of the world around you. You can’t see past the end of your nose.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:45 pmUh… I can see yer point, but that’s just a little over the top. I’m not really sure exactly what part of the country you’re talking about??
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Please read this article and become educated on this subject:
http://www.cbpp.org/9-22-06id.htm
* Roughly 11 million native-born citizens have neither a birth certificate nor passport in their home.[3] Under the House bill, those without these documents would be unable to vote in federal elections as of 2010.
*Low-income people (those making less than $25,000) are nearly twice as likely to lack these documents as people with higher incomes. Nearly 3 million low-income citizens lack the required documents.
*Elderly residents are much more likely to lack these documents than non-elderly ones. Some 2.3 million elderly Americans lack the required documents.
*African Americans are much more likely to lack these documents than whites. Roughly 2 million African Americans lack the required documents. One reason is that a substantial number of elderly African Americans apparently were never issued birth certificates because they were born at home, in large measure as a result of racial discrimination or poverty that kept their mothers from delivering in hospitals (especially in the South). One study estimated that one-fifth of African Americans born in 1939-40 were never issued birth certificates.[4]
The poll also revealed significant geographic disparities:
*Rural residents (those living outside metropolitan area) are more than twice as likely to lack a birth certificate or passport as non-rural residents. Some 4.5 million rural Americans lack the required documents.
*Residents of the South and Midwest are more than twice as likely to lack these documents as residents of the Northeast and West. In fact, roughly four-fifths of those who lack the required documents — 8.4 million of the 10.7 million total — are residents of the South or Midwest.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:48 pmUh… I can see yer point, but that’s just a little over the top. I’m not really sure exactly what part of the country you’re talking about??
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
A little over the top maybe, but still relevant for some of our fellow citizens. The main point is that we cannot simply imagine all others living, working, and being “just like us”. The US has over 300 million citizens and some of them are going to need extra assistance if we want to encourage them to participate in our democracy and the responsibilities of being a citizen. Without throwing away our morals and our treasury, we should certainly be more inclusive – rather than thinking of way to exclude someone because they may not have the “proper paperwork”. A sick citizenry will cost us plenty in the long run. It is cheaper to care for them before they have diabetes, cancer, or other diseases.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pmFor those that do not have a birth cetificate, you can easily go to your city county building and pay a small fee to receive a copy of your birth certificate. No excuses. No one is too poor to obtain a copy of their birth certificate. Heck, I will even lend you the money to obtain it. Tell all the jiggaboos and those who want to lay around to get off of their tail and pickup their birth certificate to receive financial help from the government.
Comment by Daryll
That is assuming you have a birth certificate Christian Right Wing Loon Daryll. Please educate yourself and go to the link I reference in post #44.
“jiggaboos”, how unchristian and racist of you. There is certainly a plate at the table in hell waiting for you. You certainly will never be allowed within 10 feet of heaven.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pmTell all the jiggaboos and those who want to lay around to get off of their tail and pickup their birth certificate to receive financial help from the government.
Comment by Daryll
Jiggaboos? After that comment, you want us to value your opinions – why?
October 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmYou have a typical Right Wing Loon narrow view of the world around you. You can’t see past the end of your nose.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 11, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
Easy pal, you should read some of my other posts on other threads. I am a liberal guy, not a nutcase.
Yes I do know that people grow up outside of cities, having grown up in dairy farming country myself. I can tell you some interesting stories of rural people. You are basically saying, that the government needs to take every claim by anyone as the truth, even if that person is unable to substantiate those claims. I am sorry the system doesn’t work that way. I don’t think they should be denied medical coverage, but they also have a responsibility to fill out some paperwork.
Daryll, What the hell are you even talking about. Jigaboo????? I thought you were black? I see using racist terms is not below you.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmYou are basically saying, that the government needs to take every claim by anyone as the truth, even if that person is unable to substantiate those claims.
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that requiring an original birth certificate is beyond the possibility of many Americans. There are other ways to prove your citizenship. Many of these people do own property. They could use their name on the property records as proof of citizenship. I’m sure there are other examples.
Also, if you are a liberal, you sure don’t act like one.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmRead comment #39 Bilbo
October 11th, 2007 at 6:57 pmI am sorry the system doesn’t work that way. I don’t think they should be denied medical coverage, but they also have a responsibility to fill out some paperwork. Comment by Krazny
No, you were saying that you supported proof of citizenship via birth certificates or passports before allowing people medical care. No where did you say anything to the contrary until now.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:57 pmRead comment #39 Bilbo
Comment by Krazny
I did. You were still referring to the need for a birth certificate. I was trying to show you that not all Americans have a birth certificate.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmI was wrong for using the term jigaboo. I am just angry at your party for making excuses for people who choose not to help themselves. It mostly occurs within the african anerican and latino community.
Comment by Daryll — October 11, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
So now it is the dems fault you used a racial slur? get a grip daryll.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmI was wrong for using the term jigaboo. I am just angry at your party for making excuses for people who choose not to help themselves. It mostly occurs within the african anerican and latino community.
Comment by Daryll
How in heavens name can you call yourself a Christian with attitudes like this? Your heart is black and if there is a God he/she sees you clearly for the hate-filled sorry soul that you are.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI am just angry at your party for making excuses for people who choose not to help themselves.
Comment by Daryll
Lets see: Bush got into school because of Daddy. He went and avoided Vietnam with the help of daddy’s friends, he went AWOL from the armed forces with the help of friends, he got a baseball team through the help of daddy’s friends, he got elected in 2000 with the help of SCOTUS, etc…
Which side has trouble doing things for themselves?
October 11th, 2007 at 7:04 pmIn all honesty Bilbo, do you think anyone living that far off the grid, is going to apply for Medicare?
October 11th, 2007 at 7:04 pmIf what you find in heaven is a loathesome piece of crap like Darryl, I’ll pass.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:11 pmOh and Daryll, there are more white people on welfare than there are African Americans or Hispanics. Why don’t you get an effing clue.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pmIn all honesty Bilbo, do you think anyone living that far off the grid, is going to apply for Medicare?
Comment by Krazny
If they are old and sick, yes. And there are lots of people without birth certificates who live in cities. They were probably born in the rural south but many live in cities today. I had a neighbor whose housekeeper was born in the south, had no birth certificate and didn’t drive. She worked cleaning houses and her transportation was a bus or walking. So she should be denied health care because she didn’t have a birth certificate. I could give you lots of examples, but it’s clear your mind is closed.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:54 pmKrazny,
Bottom line is, some citizens do not have access to proper ID, for whatever reason. It’s something I’ve found puzzling over the years, even as I know it happens.
A more intelligent plan (unlike this one, that was all about solving a problem that didn’t exist to sway voters with demagoguery and fear -sound familiar?) would have contemplated the possibility that at least some people do not have proof of citizenship, make provisions for those cases, and help those people get proper IDs instead of simply dropping them altogether.
Although I suspect that these “conservatives” knew that it was a distinct possibility and pushed for the regulations anyway.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:37 pmAnd there are how many kids that run away from home every year, some from violent homes, that would not want to go near their homes to get birth certificates.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:05 pmIf they are old and sick, yes. And there are lots of people without birth certificates who live in cities. They were probably born in the rural south but many live in cities today. I had a neighbor whose housekeeper was born in the south, had no birth certificate and didn’t drive. She worked cleaning houses and her transportation was a bus or walking. So she should be denied health care because she didn’t have a birth certificate. I could give you lots of examples, but it’s clear your mind is closed.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 11, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
And there are how many kids that run away from home every year, some from violent homes, that would not want to go near their homes to get birth certificates.
Comment by Shayne — October 11, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
These are ridiculous arguments against requiring proof of citizenship. The number of elderly in the first situation isn’t that great and the number who have lived their lives without ever having the need for a birth certificate reduces the number even further. There are provisions for people in such situations. It does require action and sometimes the only way to get people to comply with a regulation is to take something away. In the case of the elderly, nursing homes and hospitals have employees who are trained to help people get the verifications they need for various programs. In the case of the runaway, children cannot apply for medicaid. Any adult or agency who applies for the child would assume responsibilty for getting the verification. There is nothing wrong with requiring some responsibility in order to receive government services.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:36 pmUpright left, you might not notice this in the trailer park you live in but more people are homeless and needy every day. The hospitals in a rush to get rid of them dump sick homeless people out on the streets because there is no way for them to get paid because these people don’t have documentation. In the old days when people would file for medical assistance/no grant all they had to do is sign an affadavit saying who they were. Apparently if they can’t produce the proper documentation now we feel it’s ok to throw them out on the street to die. God bless effing America.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:34 pmComment by republicans hate facts — October 11, 2007 @ 9:54
Is this even a serious response? ;)
There is a long list of possible verifications. These few cover most unusual cases:
Life or health or other insurance record created at least 5 years prior to the Medicaid application and indicating a US place of birth
Federal or State census record showing US citizenship or a US place of birth (generally for persons born from 1900-1950. To request this, you must complete form BC-600 and submit it to the US Census Bureau.)
Tribal census records
Medical (clinic, doctor, hospital) or Institution admission papers created 5 years prior to initial application indicating a US place of birth·
Written affidavit from two individuals, one not related, who have personal knowledge of the events establishing the applicant’s claim of citizenship.
http://www.dhhs.state.sc.us/dhhsnew/Citizenship.asp
People applying for Medicaid at a GOP office? Wrong office, bud.
Someone who ran away as a child and is now an adult? Do you think they need a BC that they left at their parents home? They are adults now. They can apply for one on their own.
“There is something wrong if the government does it in an irresponsible manner – like they have – as this thread shows!
Ironic how the wingnuts defend government bureaucracy when it screws others! What a bunch of loons!”
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 11, 2007 @ 9:54
Even the most rudimentary investigation of this matter would have shown you that people already receiving services were given time to acquire the verification and new recipients are given many sources for getting it. You didn’t bother to check it out, just jumped to conclusions based upon the snippet TP gave you and ran with it. It made you look foolish so you are defensive. ;)
October 11th, 2007 at 11:59 pmUpright left, did you see the part where they want ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES? You know the ones with the seal on it. Not all states reissue those.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:05 amUpright left, you might not notice this in the trailer park you live in but more people are homeless and needy every day. The hospitals in a rush to get rid of them dump sick homeless people out on the streets because there is no way for them to get paid because these people don’t have documentation. In the old days when people would file for medical assistance/no grant all they had to do is sign an affadavit saying who they were. Apparently if they can’t produce the proper documentation now we feel it’s ok to throw them out on the street to die. God bless effing America.
Comment by Shayne — October 11, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Ah, the irony of the trailer park insult right before you launch into your oh-so-sincere defense of the less fortunate. I’ve never seen the trailer park insult actually used by a lefty in a thread in which the subject is the needy. A new low! Congratulations! But, on to the subject at hand. As I stated before, hospitals with siginificant poor populations have staff members whose job includes helping people apply for medicaid, AFDC, foodstamps, WIC, etc. Dumping certainly occurs, but you can bet the hospital applied for benefits first. Hospitals don’t want to keep medicaid patients because of the amount the govt pays, but they get what they can. And, as I showed above, the requirements are not that stringent. ;)
October 12th, 2007 at 12:08 amUpright left, did you see the part where they want ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES? You know the ones with the seal on it. Not all states reissue those.
Comment by Shayne — October 12, 2007 @ 12:05 am
Can you provide evidence that there is a state that doesn’t provide certified copies of birth certificates?
October 12th, 2007 at 12:10 amBush offends the American people daily, when he talks to us as if we were all demented and with no intelligence at all.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:44 amIt’s about the same of what Rush Limbaugh does.
Also much similar to what Mr. Hanity does when he opens his mouth.
They would be surprised learning that we have brains and can think.(But I doubt they will ever realize this. Their brains are missing some importante “files” – reason why they cannot function properly.
Hope people with brains will vote in the next election!
>Can you provide evidence that there is a state that doesn’t provide >certified copies of birth certificates?
Iraq. oh wait, they get stuff from us without much verification of anything!
October 12th, 2007 at 2:10 amand they arent even a state of ours! anyway…
I don’t drive so I don’t have a drivers license. My passport expired 10 years ago and I haven’t the faintest idea where I could get a copy of my birth certificate.
It’s not like I might not be able to come up with the requirements but in a large group, you could certainly cut down on the number of active participants by imposing requirements like this.
These are the results for Medicaid. Think how much worse it would be for an activity, say, like voting, where the motivation to get all the papers together might be considerably less.
This really is the modern version of a Jim Crow.
October 12th, 2007 at 6:57 amIraq. oh wait, they get stuff from us without much verification of anything!
and they arent even a state of ours! anyway…
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 12, 2007 @ 2:10 am
Way off topic, but I agree with you that we give too much to other countries. ;)
October 12th, 2007 at 7:33 amI don’t drive so I don’t have a drivers license. My passport expired 10 years ago and I haven’t the faintest idea where I could get a copy of my birth certificate.
It’s not like I might not be able to come up with the requirements but in a large group, you could certainly cut down on the number of active participants by imposing requirements like this.
These are the results for Medicaid. Think how much worse it would be for an activity, say, like voting, where the motivation to get all the papers together might be considerably less.
This really is the modern version of a Jim Crow.
Comment by patachon — October 12, 2007 @ 6:57 am
It’s a matter of needing or wanting something enough to take the initiative to obtain it. Of course you could and would come up with documents if you needed them and it wouldn’t be that difficult. It’s a minor requirement with concessions made for special circumstances. As far as people not voting because of a requirement to get an ID, even Dems don’t usually use the “not motivated enough to get one” argument. That suggests voting by those who don’t care anyway. ;)
October 12th, 2007 at 7:49 amI don’t think that ‘percent’ thing works the way you think it does. ;-)
I doubt there is now a negative number of people on Medicaid.
October 12th, 2007 at 10:01 amThis shows how lazy you liberals are. You can’t get a passport or a copy of your birth certificate even if it means that someone else will pay for your health care? Is there anything you’re willing to do for you own selves? Assuming the ID requirement is taken off the table, these liberals will now complain about how hard it it is to go to the doctor’s office and they will now demand that someone arrange limo service for them. After all, we’re living in the “richest country in the world” (inspite of our large national debt). And once the limo is provided, they’ll now complain how hard it is to take a shower and dress up so they need a maid service to assist them. The whining will never stop because liberals are always unhappy no matter what! You liberal bums should try working like the rest of us do.
October 12th, 2007 at 10:24 amOk…this is ridiculous.
There SHOULD be proof of citizenship when receiving any kind of aid.
Duh!
I’m a liberal like crazy, but this post is pointless.
October 12th, 2007 at 10:32 amWOW!
Even TP notices that our great economy and Bush’s low unemployment are major factors that caused many Americans to get off the government back. This is good news, but I am suprised a far left org. like TP would actually admit it. Good for you TP for telling the truth!
October 12th, 2007 at 11:06 amIraq. oh wait, they get stuff from us without much verification of anything!
and they arent even a state of ours! anyway…
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 12, 2007 @ 2:10 am
- Wait a minute! I thought we’re there and we we’re taking all their oil and big oil companies and Bush are making so much money out of it. Wasn’t that the whole reason why Bush invaded Iraq? Oh so now we’re giving stuff away over there and that’s the reason why we couldn’t afford free health care for our 25 year-old children and those making $80K per year. So are we making money by taking all the Iraqi oil are we giving stuff away? Can you liberals make up your minds?
October 12th, 2007 at 2:45 pmIf you’re not here legally, then you shouldn’t be receiving benefits. What’s the problem here ?
October 15th, 2007 at 7:52 am