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	<title>Comments on: Former top general rips Bush&#8217;s Iraq policy.</title>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tired of writing and calling my senators and my congresscritter to hope for a change in Iraq, or anything domestically. I was so happy in November 2006 that change was coming with the new congress. Then, March 2007 hit and it was &quot;election season&quot;. We had a whole two months. Now, nothing will happen until 2009.  So, for every two years, we get two months. Every four years, four months. I&#039;m sick. Congress is now in a perpetual campaign state. 

I brought three kids into this world in the hopes that they&#039;d have a better life than the generations before them.  I&#039;m an independant who married a republican. Cripes, he had Ronnie Raygun&#039;s mug plastered on the fridge. My oldest, a 26 YO daughter, is getting married to a Texas Republican who is looking for his Bic pen to re-up because he lost his job and is enticed by the &quot;medical benefits&quot; and &quot;educational opportunities&quot; the army is offering. He&#039;s firmly convinced he&#039;ll stay stateside doing IT work. She&#039;ll be a widow in a year. My oldest son is draft age (24), likes Bush and is contemplating &quot;the service&quot;. With his ROTC training, guess where he&#039;d go? Fortunately, I have a 14 YO boy at home who hates Bush and everything this admin has done, but his dad is dying. There is no happiness left; just an oppressive sense of dread.

I give up. My talking/pleading to the older ones won&#039;t change their minds and I dread their calls: Hi mom; we&#039;re in the army now. Writing my Senators and Congressman do no good. The Senators roll over and the Congresscritter is a stand by your Bush man. 

If this retired general can make a difference, I pray for it, but I&#039;m not counting on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tired of writing and calling my senators and my congresscritter to hope for a change in Iraq, or anything domestically. I was so happy in November 2006 that change was coming with the new congress. Then, March 2007 hit and it was &#8220;election season&#8221;. We had a whole two months. Now, nothing will happen until 2009.  So, for every two years, we get two months. Every four years, four months. I&#8217;m sick. Congress is now in a perpetual campaign state. </p>
<p>I brought three kids into this world in the hopes that they&#8217;d have a better life than the generations before them.  I&#8217;m an independant who married a republican. Cripes, he had Ronnie Raygun&#8217;s mug plastered on the fridge. My oldest, a 26 YO daughter, is getting married to a Texas Republican who is looking for his Bic pen to re-up because he lost his job and is enticed by the &#8220;medical benefits&#8221; and &#8220;educational opportunities&#8221; the army is offering. He&#8217;s firmly convinced he&#8217;ll stay stateside doing IT work. She&#8217;ll be a widow in a year. My oldest son is draft age (24), likes Bush and is contemplating &#8220;the service&#8221;. With his ROTC training, guess where he&#8217;d go? Fortunately, I have a 14 YO boy at home who hates Bush and everything this admin has done, but his dad is dying. There is no happiness left; just an oppressive sense of dread.</p>
<p>I give up. My talking/pleading to the older ones won&#8217;t change their minds and I dread their calls: Hi mom; we&#8217;re in the army now. Writing my Senators and Congressman do no good. The Senators roll over and the Congresscritter is a stand by your Bush man. </p>
<p>If this retired general can make a difference, I pray for it, but I&#8217;m not counting on it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4119209', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TRDaggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRDaggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Tired Of Fighting) I don&#039;t know quite what to say after reading that but thanks for your honesty and your service, and the same to all that have served and died honorably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Tired Of Fighting) I don&#8217;t know quite what to say after reading that but thanks for your honesty and your service, and the same to all that have served and died honorably.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118854', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tired Of Fighting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tired Of Fighting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by TRDaggett 

FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!

That is what&#039;s stopping GOOD Men/Women from standing up for their Soldiers, because that&#039;s what this is all about, to hell with not wanting to look disrespectful or not wanting to be called &quot;phony&quot; by some fat, rich, cut and runners from war. When you don&#039;t stand up and speak your peace, not only dont you get any, you don&#039;t deserve any, and everyone else has to rest in it.

There are some officers (mostly junior) who have spoken out, and have since left the Army because their superiors are too afraid to carry their/our concerns higher for fear of making the next rank.

The seniors see what happened to Shinseki, Zinni, and others and they dont want that to happen to them, to which I say they were never in it for the Soldiers they command, they&#039;re in it to fatten up the ol coffers. NOONE joins the military to get rich, we join to serve, and te people we are sworn to take care of deserve people who will put themselves before any promotion, job, etc. But all of those leaders seem to be gone or choose to muzzle themselves.

You would be shocked if the so-called liberal media ever did an honest story about how many NCO&#039;s and Junior Officers are leaving the Army, it would stop all of this talk about how high re-enlistment rates are. Its a lie, too many combat veterans are leaving and they&#039;re leaving because they dont like what the Army has become, which is another political party. We fight wars, not build democracy&#039;s, not bring political parties together, not form governments, WE FIGHT!! Now we&#039;re politicians, and those of us who know better don&#039;t like it, because when your a politician wearing an Army uniform you automatically become at odds with half of your Soldiers, thats why it is important to be able to put that shit aside. But now it seems that ALL of the Senior leadership have becomes muzzled, soulless, incompetent, obseqious, un-caring, sheep.

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And the death toll climbs because of it.



RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by TRDaggett </p>
<p>FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!</p>
<p>That is what&#8217;s stopping GOOD Men/Women from standing up for their Soldiers, because that&#8217;s what this is all about, to hell with not wanting to look disrespectful or not wanting to be called &#8220;phony&#8221; by some fat, rich, cut and runners from war. When you don&#8217;t stand up and speak your peace, not only dont you get any, you don&#8217;t deserve any, and everyone else has to rest in it.</p>
<p>There are some officers (mostly junior) who have spoken out, and have since left the Army because their superiors are too afraid to carry their/our concerns higher for fear of making the next rank.</p>
<p>The seniors see what happened to Shinseki, Zinni, and others and they dont want that to happen to them, to which I say they were never in it for the Soldiers they command, they&#8217;re in it to fatten up the ol coffers. NOONE joins the military to get rich, we join to serve, and te people we are sworn to take care of deserve people who will put themselves before any promotion, job, etc. But all of those leaders seem to be gone or choose to muzzle themselves.</p>
<p>You would be shocked if the so-called liberal media ever did an honest story about how many NCO&#8217;s and Junior Officers are leaving the Army, it would stop all of this talk about how high re-enlistment rates are. Its a lie, too many combat veterans are leaving and they&#8217;re leaving because they dont like what the Army has become, which is another political party. We fight wars, not build democracy&#8217;s, not bring political parties together, not form governments, WE FIGHT!! Now we&#8217;re politicians, and those of us who know better don&#8217;t like it, because when your a politician wearing an Army uniform you automatically become at odds with half of your Soldiers, thats why it is important to be able to put that shit aside. But now it seems that ALL of the Senior leadership have becomes muzzled, soulless, incompetent, obseqious, un-caring, sheep.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>And the death toll climbs because of it.</p>
<p>RIP<br />
SGT Stephen R. Sherman<br />
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)<br />
KIA 3 Feb 2005<br />
Mosul, Iraq<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118828', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KYJurisDoctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>KYJurisDoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is WRONG with folks like General Sanchez:

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/10/trouble-with-folks-like-general-sanchez.html#links</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is WRONG with folks like General Sanchez:</p>
<p><a href="http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/10/trouble-with-folks-like-general-sanchez.html#links" rel="nofollow">http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/10/trouble-with-folks-like-general-sanchez.html#links</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118824', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: chimpeach</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimpeach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. It&#039;s been over 24 hours and no trolls on this one. Has it finally gotten to be too much for them?

I realize that the trolls don&#039;t actually believe what they&#039;re saying, but could it be that it&#039;s just gotten too damned hard for them to keep smearing truth-tellers and defending a bunch of lying, treasonous  cowards? Or were they just caught napping?

The criticism of Sanchez for his role in letting Abu Ghraib happen is justified, but I&#039;m betting that the (concern) trolls will take that route to smear him instead of a frontal attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. It&#8217;s been over 24 hours and no trolls on this one. Has it finally gotten to be too much for them?</p>
<p>I realize that the trolls don&#8217;t actually believe what they&#8217;re saying, but could it be that it&#8217;s just gotten too damned hard for them to keep smearing truth-tellers and defending a bunch of lying, treasonous  cowards? Or were they just caught napping?</p>
<p>The criticism of Sanchez for his role in letting Abu Ghraib happen is justified, but I&#8217;m betting that the (concern) trolls will take that route to smear him instead of a frontal attack.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118819', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TRDaggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRDaggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#79 - Tired Of Fighting,

Any thoughts about how many officers have your commitment to their troops, and why so many don&#039;t display what you espouse? Is it politics, peer pressure, fear for their careers, what? 
And is it mostly top-level officers, or does it go deeper than that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#79 &#8211; Tired Of Fighting,</p>
<p>Any thoughts about how many officers have your commitment to their troops, and why so many don&#8217;t display what you espouse? Is it politics, peer pressure, fear for their careers, what?<br />
And is it mostly top-level officers, or does it go deeper than that?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118807', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: foreyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>foreyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the first time that the crimes of the powerful are laid on the hands of a representative minority?  Did Gen. Ricardo Sanchez choose to invade Iraq, or, was he ordered to do his job and shut up?  I believe you know the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the first time that the crimes of the powerful are laid on the hands of a representative minority?  Did Gen. Ricardo Sanchez choose to invade Iraq, or, was he ordered to do his job and shut up?  I believe you know the answer.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118805', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TRDaggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRDaggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61 Veritas, 

&quot;WTF is going on in this country?&quot; should be the name of a blog or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#61 Veritas, </p>
<p>&#8220;WTF is going on in this country?&#8221; should be the name of a blog or something.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118804', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DallasNE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DallasNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Gen. Sanchez is the same one as the problem with Colin Powell. They were up to their eyebrows supporting the policy when we needed them saying &quot;wait a minute&quot;. Speaking out 3 years after the fact if far too late. It all reminds me of the Nixon era and blind ambition. When we most need leadership we are stuck with a bunch of toadys. I grieve for those who have died as a result of their cowardice in stepping forward when it could have counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Gen. Sanchez is the same one as the problem with Colin Powell. They were up to their eyebrows supporting the policy when we needed them saying &#8220;wait a minute&#8221;. Speaking out 3 years after the fact if far too late. It all reminds me of the Nixon era and blind ambition. When we most need leadership we are stuck with a bunch of toadys. I grieve for those who have died as a result of their cowardice in stepping forward when it could have counted.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118776', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought I&#039;d see the day when LTG Sanchez would stand up and speak the truth about the idiots that are running this war, with the exception of Sec. Gates.  I think Gates is doing the best he can with what&#039;s been given him.  After all he followed Rumsfeld, who is without a doubt the most incompetence Secretary of Defense the United States has ever had, dispite what Cheney says.  Which by the way Mr. Cheney just said the other day that Sec. Rumsfeld did a great job and shouldn&#039;t have been fired.

That shows the kind of leadership Sanchez is talking about.  What fool thinks Rumsfeld did a good job.  I mean come on guys, this idiot was the one who reduced the size of our military, although the Republicans blame Clinton.  No it was Rumsfeld who had the stupid idea that you could fight a war with high tech weapons and didn&#039;t need a large number of troops to do so.  Where he got that idea is beyond me, and I said at the time, it was a huge mistake.  Now the administration finds itself trying to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps.

I had written some critical things about Gen. Sanchez in the past which I thought he deserved.  I take most but no all of it back now.  What he should have done was speak out sooner, perhaps while he was lying to Congress and the American people about having enough troops in Iraq.  He was being a good soldier, but there&#039;s such a thing as taking that too far.  I spoke up several times when I was a soldier because remaining silence will troops die is beneath me and what I and the military stood for. 

I was taught to &quot;Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way&quot;, when I went to Infantry training.  That means exactly what it says too.  If you are afraid to lead, then follow or just get the hell out of the way and let someone else lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought I&#8217;d see the day when LTG Sanchez would stand up and speak the truth about the idiots that are running this war, with the exception of Sec. Gates.  I think Gates is doing the best he can with what&#8217;s been given him.  After all he followed Rumsfeld, who is without a doubt the most incompetence Secretary of Defense the United States has ever had, dispite what Cheney says.  Which by the way Mr. Cheney just said the other day that Sec. Rumsfeld did a great job and shouldn&#8217;t have been fired.</p>
<p>That shows the kind of leadership Sanchez is talking about.  What fool thinks Rumsfeld did a good job.  I mean come on guys, this idiot was the one who reduced the size of our military, although the Republicans blame Clinton.  No it was Rumsfeld who had the stupid idea that you could fight a war with high tech weapons and didn&#8217;t need a large number of troops to do so.  Where he got that idea is beyond me, and I said at the time, it was a huge mistake.  Now the administration finds itself trying to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps.</p>
<p>I had written some critical things about Gen. Sanchez in the past which I thought he deserved.  I take most but no all of it back now.  What he should have done was speak out sooner, perhaps while he was lying to Congress and the American people about having enough troops in Iraq.  He was being a good soldier, but there&#8217;s such a thing as taking that too far.  I spoke up several times when I was a soldier because remaining silence will troops die is beneath me and what I and the military stood for. </p>
<p>I was taught to &#8220;Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way&#8221;, when I went to Infantry training.  That means exactly what it says too.  If you are afraid to lead, then follow or just get the hell out of the way and let someone else lead.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118722', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: osage</title>
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		<dc:creator>osage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George W. Bush personifies the most malevolent, irredeemable and unholy aspects of mankind. Not only is he purposefully dishonest, knowingly destructive and shamelessly unremorseful, he defends his indefensible evil actions by hiding and perpetuating the destructive and deadly impact they have on the lives of innocent and defenseless human beings. Hundreds of thousands of guiltless men, women and children who never harbored a harmful thought toward another human being have been killed and crippled as a result of George W. Bush being the president of the United States of America. And his overriding priority is to perpetuate the carnage, not end it. He is an undeniable example of what man is capable of doing to his fellow man. The worst example possible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George W. Bush personifies the most malevolent, irredeemable and unholy aspects of mankind. Not only is he purposefully dishonest, knowingly destructive and shamelessly unremorseful, he defends his indefensible evil actions by hiding and perpetuating the destructive and deadly impact they have on the lives of innocent and defenseless human beings. Hundreds of thousands of guiltless men, women and children who never harbored a harmful thought toward another human being have been killed and crippled as a result of George W. Bush being the president of the United States of America. And his overriding priority is to perpetuate the carnage, not end it. He is an undeniable example of what man is capable of doing to his fellow man. The worst example possible!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118664', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tired Of Fighting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tired Of Fighting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how do you know he didnâ€™t. He didnâ€™t retire from the military until November, 2006. Iâ€™m not saying heâ€™s not an opportunist (some people say he is writing a book), but we canâ€™t judge him on what he did while in the military because we werenâ€™t there.

Comment by bilbobaggins


I was there,  TWICE, and the General NEVER said a word even though he KNEW things were wrong. 

I am tired of people who keep saying this BS that we must shut up when WE&#039;RE in uniform, my job as a Soldier yes is to follow orders, but my job also DEMANDS that I STAND UP and SPEAK OUT when those orders are WRONG or will do harm to my Men/Women.

I didn&#039;t do 21 years in the U.S. Army being some quiet go along to get along NCO. I wasn&#039;t worried about getting some cushy government contracting job when I retired or some seat on some corporate board like these so-called military men. 

My job was to accomplish my mission, and to take care of my Soldiers, and I did that, and if something was wrong I said so.  I want A leader who will speak out when they should, not wait until the body count is too high to take.

If you have seen my writings on here, you would know that I close with my Soldier who was killed. He means alot to me because one I was rersponsible for him, and there was nothing that I could do to stop what happened, because we were on a mission sent down by those who only now say that this war is not right, NOW IT&#039;S NOT RIGHT!! Seven of my Soldiers also lost a limb over in Iraq, so I get very upset when someone who we are supposed to respect waits us out to tell the truth, that IS NOT leadership, that&#039;s BUSH-LEAGUE.

You may want to sit and wait for these politicians in uniform to speak out, but my fellow Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and Airman (my daughter included) cannot wait that long until it is advantageous to do so.

So I disagree with you, respectfully of course.



RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how do you know he didnâ€™t. He didnâ€™t retire from the military until November, 2006. Iâ€™m not saying heâ€™s not an opportunist (some people say he is writing a book), but we canâ€™t judge him on what he did while in the military because we werenâ€™t there.</p>
<p>Comment by bilbobaggins</p>
<p>I was there,  TWICE, and the General NEVER said a word even though he KNEW things were wrong. </p>
<p>I am tired of people who keep saying this BS that we must shut up when WE&#8217;RE in uniform, my job as a Soldier yes is to follow orders, but my job also DEMANDS that I STAND UP and SPEAK OUT when those orders are WRONG or will do harm to my Men/Women.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t do 21 years in the U.S. Army being some quiet go along to get along NCO. I wasn&#8217;t worried about getting some cushy government contracting job when I retired or some seat on some corporate board like these so-called military men. </p>
<p>My job was to accomplish my mission, and to take care of my Soldiers, and I did that, and if something was wrong I said so.  I want A leader who will speak out when they should, not wait until the body count is too high to take.</p>
<p>If you have seen my writings on here, you would know that I close with my Soldier who was killed. He means alot to me because one I was rersponsible for him, and there was nothing that I could do to stop what happened, because we were on a mission sent down by those who only now say that this war is not right, NOW IT&#8217;S NOT RIGHT!! Seven of my Soldiers also lost a limb over in Iraq, so I get very upset when someone who we are supposed to respect waits us out to tell the truth, that IS NOT leadership, that&#8217;s BUSH-LEAGUE.</p>
<p>You may want to sit and wait for these politicians in uniform to speak out, but my fellow Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and Airman (my daughter included) cannot wait that long until it is advantageous to do so.</p>
<p>So I disagree with you, respectfully of course.</p>
<p>RIP<br />
SGT Stephen R. Sherman<br />
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)<br />
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I like to see the rats abandoning the ship, it would have been nice to hear more of this kind of talk earlier. 

Sanchez &quot;commanded the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq from June 2003 until July 2004&quot;, he certainly must have seen some hint that Pres Bush&#039;s Iraq &quot;strategy&quot; was less than ideal back then. 

It&#039;s not as if things all of the sudden went down hill &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; his departure. As a matter of fact, Abu Ghraib made possible &lt;i&gt;precisely&lt;/i&gt; due to a deeply flawed, &quot;with us or against us&quot; pig-headed policy this administration has wallowed in. 

And in related news (albeit a little off topic), things are getting tense for the Bushies on the Turkish front: 

&lt;i&gt;U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has appealed to Turkey for restraint, both against Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq and in reaction to a genocide resolution approved this week by a U.S. congressional panel.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-10-13-voa5.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US Secretary of State Rice Urges Turkish Restraint&lt;/a&gt;

It should be interesting to see the Bush administration explain their saber-rattling against Iran and their efforts to appease the Turks, even as the Turkish government plans to launch an attack on the Kurds across their border with Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I like to see the rats abandoning the ship, it would have been nice to hear more of this kind of talk earlier. </p>
<p>Sanchez &#8220;commanded the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq from June 2003 until July 2004&#8243;, he certainly must have seen some hint that Pres Bush&#8217;s Iraq &#8220;strategy&#8221; was less than ideal back then. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if things all of the sudden went down hill <i>after</i> his departure. As a matter of fact, Abu Ghraib made possible <i>precisely</i> due to a deeply flawed, &#8220;with us or against us&#8221; pig-headed policy this administration has wallowed in. </p>
<p>And in related news (albeit a little off topic), things are getting tense for the Bushies on the Turkish front: </p>
<p><i>U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has appealed to Turkey for restraint, both against Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq and in reaction to a genocide resolution approved this week by a U.S. congressional panel.</i><br />
<a href="http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-10-13-voa5.cfm" rel="nofollow">US Secretary of State Rice Urges Turkish Restraint</a></p>
<p>It should be interesting to see the Bush administration explain their saber-rattling against Iran and their efforts to appease the Turks, even as the Turkish government plans to launch an attack on the Kurds across their border with Iraq.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118659', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cue blogger &quot;robroy&quot; to claim that he knows more than Sanchez and Sanchez is just being &quot;political&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cue blogger &#8220;robroy&#8221; to claim that he knows more than Sanchez and Sanchez is just being &#8220;political&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118658', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Remarkable that the Times chose to this story on a Saturday morning.
Comment by alexlerman&lt;/em&gt;

Not at all remarkable.  Just business as usual by the &quot;liberal media&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Remarkable that the Times chose to this story on a Saturday morning.<br />
Comment by alexlerman</em></p>
<p>Not at all remarkable.  Just business as usual by the &#8220;liberal media&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118635', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Don Bacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>General Sanchez was responsible, from June 2003,  for the chaos in Baghdad and Iraq in general which laid the seeds for the &quot;no end in sight&quot; fiasco we see now.  And then there&#039;s abu-Ghraib, and his perjury about it.

 â€œThey have unquestionably been derelict in the performance of their duty. In my profession, these types of leaders would be immediately relieved or court-martialed.â€--Sanchez

If the bell tolls, it tolls for thee, Ricky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General Sanchez was responsible, from June 2003,  for the chaos in Baghdad and Iraq in general which laid the seeds for the &#8220;no end in sight&#8221; fiasco we see now.  And then there&#8217;s abu-Ghraib, and his perjury about it.</p>
<p> â€œThey have unquestionably been derelict in the performance of their duty. In my profession, these types of leaders would be immediately relieved or court-martialed.â€&#8211;Sanchez</p>
<p>If the bell tolls, it tolls for thee, Ricky.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118608', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: VerbalKint</title>
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		<dc:creator>VerbalKint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanchez isn&#039;t the best person to deliver this criticism, because he can be accused of having a personal agenda, and because he shares in responsibility for some of the worst excesses of this war.  But just imagine how many active generals want to say these kinds of things.  There is a quiet revolt brewing in the military&#039;s highest ranks, you can count on it.  Things will only get uglier for Bush from here on out.  And when the Democrats take power, I expect that a new chairman of the Joint Chiefs will be selected from outside the clique of Bush yes men that Petraeus belongs too.  Then I expect to see some serious payback.  Petraeus and others who hitched their cart to Bush will have no future after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanchez isn&#8217;t the best person to deliver this criticism, because he can be accused of having a personal agenda, and because he shares in responsibility for some of the worst excesses of this war.  But just imagine how many active generals want to say these kinds of things.  There is a quiet revolt brewing in the military&#8217;s highest ranks, you can count on it.  Things will only get uglier for Bush from here on out.  And when the Democrats take power, I expect that a new chairman of the Joint Chiefs will be selected from outside the clique of Bush yes men that Petraeus belongs too.  Then I expect to see some serious payback.  Petraeus and others who hitched their cart to Bush will have no future after that.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118589', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Great Frybread King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Frybread King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when will the GOP begin the character assassination of Lt. Gen. Sanchez?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when will the GOP begin the character assassination of Lt. Gen. Sanchez?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118585', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;SO, GREAT IDEA?â€¦â€¦OR TOTAL BEAVIS &amp; BUTTHEAD? PLEASE LET ME KNOW! THANK YOU.
Comment by TC-12&lt;/em&gt;

Actually, I think that is a brilliant idea.  The problem the Democrats have is that they don&#039;t know how to &quot;frame&quot; issues.  The Republicans find an issue and find a point they can &quot;frame&quot; and that frame is repeated endlessly so it somehow becomes a fact in people&#039;s minds.  The Democrats could learn from the tricks the Republicans use if they wanted to.  Unfortunately they seem determined to keep the circular firing squad going instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>SO, GREAT IDEA?â€¦â€¦OR TOTAL BEAVIS &amp; BUTTHEAD? PLEASE LET ME KNOW! THANK YOU.<br />
Comment by TC-12</em></p>
<p>Actually, I think that is a brilliant idea.  The problem the Democrats have is that they don&#8217;t know how to &#8220;frame&#8221; issues.  The Republicans find an issue and find a point they can &#8220;frame&#8221; and that frame is repeated endlessly so it somehow becomes a fact in people&#8217;s minds.  The Democrats could learn from the tricks the Republicans use if they wanted to.  Unfortunately they seem determined to keep the circular firing squad going instead.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118577', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have the stomach for it, and access to it, go to redstate.com and read this article:

http://redstate.com/blogs/steve_foley/2007/oct/12/pessimistic_conservatives

It&#039;s all about how those pessimistic Republicans are hurting the part and how if they all have a positive outlook, they can beat the Democrats in 2008.  Talk about delusional.  But, it&#039;s interesting reading and won&#039;t turn your stomach like their attack on Graham Frost.

My favorite comment was this one:

&lt;blockquote&gt;That is probably my #1 factor in deciding who I will support. Which candidate will slap down the BS from the left. All those bad weeds left unchecked by Bush has caused tremendous damage.
Without restoring respect and sanity the most capable President will not get much done.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Without restoring respect and sanity&quot; by slapping down all those bad weed Democrats.  There is no way the Republicans can restore &quot;respect and sanity&quot; to the office of President unless it was a Goldwater Republican who respected the constitution, the rule of law, our rights to privacy, and the fact that we need to be a team player in the world in general.  That ain&#039;t going to happen with any of their current picks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have the stomach for it, and access to it, go to redstate.com and read this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://redstate.com/blogs/steve_foley/2007/oct/12/pessimistic_conservatives" rel="nofollow">http://redstate.com/blogs/steve_foley/2007/oct/12/pessimistic_conservatives</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about how those pessimistic Republicans are hurting the part and how if they all have a positive outlook, they can beat the Democrats in 2008.  Talk about delusional.  But, it&#8217;s interesting reading and won&#8217;t turn your stomach like their attack on Graham Frost.</p>
<p>My favorite comment was this one:</p>
<blockquote><p>That is probably my #1 factor in deciding who I will support. Which candidate will slap down the BS from the left. All those bad weeds left unchecked by Bush has caused tremendous damage.<br />
Without restoring respect and sanity the most capable President will not get much done.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Without restoring respect and sanity&#8221; by slapping down all those bad weed Democrats.  There is no way the Republicans can restore &#8220;respect and sanity&#8221; to the office of President unless it was a Goldwater Republican who respected the constitution, the rule of law, our rights to privacy, and the fact that we need to be a team player in the world in general.  That ain&#8217;t going to happen with any of their current picks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118576', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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