Fox News: Gore’s Never ‘Actually Done Something For Peace;’ Give Petraeus The Prize
Fox News: Gore’s Never ‘Actually Done Something For Peace;’ Give Petraeus The Prize
Earlier today, after Al Gore was named a co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Fox News kicked off the right-wing smear attacks on the former Vice President, comparing him to “Yasser Arafat and that crazy Jimmy Carter.”
But the cable network’s efforts to undermine Gore’s message and achievments began long ago. Yesterday, after suggesting that Gore has never “actually done something for peace,” Fox ran a chyron advocating that a different American be awarded the peace prize: Gen. David Petraeus.
In the segment, Neil Cavuto hosted New York Sun editor Seth Lipsky, whose paper ran an editorial this week saying that Petraeus deserved the prize for his attempts to “save the nation of Iraq.” Lipsky said that Petraeus “deserves” the award “as a representative of G.I. Joe” because American troops “go overseas to liberate, they go overseas to make peace.” He then added that the use of “fighting” in a war doesn’t undermine the “idealism” of the Nobel Prize:
LIPSKY: I can’t think of anything more directly responsive to the idealism of the Nobel Peace Prize itself than the kinds of liberation and peacekeeping that our G.I. Joe and G.I. Jane has had as a mission since World War II.
CAVUTO: So, you say Gen. Petraeus, not Al Gore?
LIPSKY: I say Gen. Petraeus, not Al Gore.
Watch it:
When Alfred Nobel established the Peace Prize in his will, he specifically outlined the criteria by which the recipient should be chosen:
The prize for peace was to be awarded to the person who “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding of peace congresses.”
Petraeus is the architect of Bush’s surge, a plan that has increased the number of forces in Iraq.
So to recap: Alfred Nobel’s definition of peace: reduction of standing armies. Fox News’ definition of peace: war without end.
(HT: Newshounds)
UPDATE: In an interview at Science Progress, Joe Romm explains how Gore’s environmental work is directly related to peace and security issues.
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I wish I were a billionaire like Ted Turner, so I would start an all progressive news channel to counter this crap. Also, during the graveyard shifts, I’d have shows about lumberjacks in plaid shirts.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHypocrisy! They are talking DOUBLE SPEAK!
War IS NOT Peace!
Morons!
October 12th, 2007 at 3:55 pmComment by lumberjacklover — October 12, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
1020 AM in Seattle. =)
October 12th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAll General Betray-us has done is kiss Bush’s a$$ and cook the books! How does this fool deserve anything but a swift boot in the derriere.
If the apes on Faux News can’t see that uniting the world for a common threat means world peace, then they don’t deserve to even be on the air.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:56 pmOnce people unite, the concept of killing each other is not a possibility. This is so far above the heads of the white house and Fox News that it’s comical.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI doubt seriously that the Nobel committee gives a flying whoop what Fox News thinks. Furthermore, they would find the idea of giving the Peace Prize to a man who designed a surge of violence somewhat against their principles (not to mention laughable).
Brickbats to Fox News for attempting to politicize Nobel Prizes.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmboo hoo de do hoo…conservowhining is reaching a new pitch
October 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmPredictably, the conservative chattering class and its amen corner in the right-wing blogosphere are apoplectic about the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Al Gore. But their rage and angst about the Nobel Committee’s “politicized awards” for “mass exaggerators” and “deceptive rhetoric” isn’t merely a function of the inconvenient truth of the success of Gore’s global warming campaign. No, the rugged individualists of the right are just hopping mad that they never win prizes designed to recognize contributions to, well, the rest of humanity.
To remedy this perpetual slight, then, here are:
October 12th, 2007 at 3:58 pm“Conservative Nobel Prizes We’d Like to See.”
Global warming can unite this country much the same as 911 did – until Bush actively chose to use it for diabolical purposes. It was obvious to the rest of the world that he was lying and using the positive energy for evil that it will take a global problem like this to ever unite anyone with us on this planet for a long time.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:58 pmThese “people” are just the biggest effing a-holes on the planet.
What sort of brain damage causes this behavior?
October 12th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAnother “inconvenient truth” which the reichwingnuts don’t want made known is that Bush is a Faux President.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pmAll General Betray-us has done is kiss Bush’s a$$ and cook the books!
Yes, and he should stand up for what he really believes in if he is such a deserver of a Nobel Peace Prize.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pm#11 A totally amoral, corrupt and brainwashed intellect.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pmlol wut?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThe sad thing about this is that I live in Provo, UT. And a lot of people around here actually get their information from Fox News. The message that particular network endorses is so destructive to humanity. It is really hard for me to believe that someone would think that a military leader should get the nobel peace prize and even worse, someone would give that person airtime. I am a bit sick to my stomach right now.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pmPetraues gets the award for suck up, lost/sale of 190,000 weapons/vest/bullets given to enemy, cover up of US murdered Soldiers and torture of kidnapped people yes men/woman/children.
Now if there’s a reward for that Petraeus have some company Bush/Cheney/Rummy/Rice and many other GOP Law Makers. Oh yes and many GOP paid Journalist are in the running for that award.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmduring the graveyard shifts, I’d have shows about lumberjacks in plaid shirts.
Comment by lumberjacklover — October 12, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Because..they’re okay!!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmSeriously, what a great fantasy – start your own tv news show. You know, one that actually reports THE NEWS!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmchnouf: Get a “Fox Blocker” today and your life will be much easier then. They are a disgustingly amoral, dispicable channel of fabricated, cherry-picked news. I feel sorry that you don’t have alternatives.
Here’s an idea: Scrub Fox News from your television to rid it of any residual cooties and use the internet for your legitimate, truthful news instead. You’ll feel a definite reprieve from the burden of listening to lies and half truths all day on Fox.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmpoor trolls:
1) No WMDs
2) No stable Iraq
3) No OBL
4) No surge is working
5) Higher oil prices
6) Terrorism worldwide increasing
7) Blackwater
8) Russia is getting pissed about the rocket shield
9) Destruction of human rights
10) Gore wins a Nobel
Sad day for them.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmmissmolly: Now there’s a novel concept! I think you and I could take that one places. Remember when we had “truth in reporting laws”??
Back then, you’d be strung up by your balls for even making an honest mistake in news reporting. Now you’ll be lucky to find a shard of truth in anything Fox New spews.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:03 pmDidn’t Petraeus also undermine peace when he was in charge of the 250,000-or-so weapons that disappeared? You know, the ones sectarian death squads are using to kill innocent civilians?
And wasn’t he also the author the military counter-insurgency manual? You know, the one filled with concepts that failed so miserably for five years and led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people?
I guess those are just more pesky facts the right is willing to ignore.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:04 pmI’m surprised they aren’t promoting Bush for the Nobel Peace Prize since they’ve adopted Orwellian speak throughout this government.
Truth is lies, Down is Up, Losing is Winning, War is Peace…..it’s a totally corrupted government at this point.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:05 pmMarkD: We need to keep that one alive. Now that we know where those 250,000 amazingly “disappearing” weapons went, don’t we? Betray-us should be investigated for that alone and strung up.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pmCavuto is a babbling idiot. (Argh, I’m getting angrier just watching this baboon.) Seriously, Fox makes the claim that ‘Fow News is fair and balanced.’ — Laughing. my. effing. as$. off.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWhere is the figure to counteract the Rupert Murdoch phenom? Where is that hero/heroine?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:10 pmThey would be forever renowned in history, even if their one act was to present an alternative to the Fixed News stations that reign on the local level in America…
Heh, I have one of those blockers… that piece of crap channel isn’t checked off on my Tivo list, so I don’t even see it in the channel guide.
Yay, no Asshat Channel!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:10 pmHello…Fake News…Betray-us was not nominated!!!! And does NOT meet the criteria…. Hello. Hello. Is anybody in there??? Geez! I’m not sure I can take much more of this crap.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:11 pmGeez! I’m not sure I can take much more of this crap.
Comment by APEC not OPEC — October 12, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Let’s picket them.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:12 pmFox sure has done a lot for war, though…
October 12th, 2007 at 4:12 pmIt will be decades before any Republicsumbag ever is elected to any office in this country!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:12 pmBut Fox news smears him and then declares the prize for Peace should be given to a man of War.
They have ZERO credibility left after this.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
And we should expect anything less from the station that:
Has billo, hanniteehee, gibson, chrissy wallower, brit “the sloth eyed” humorless?
And don’t forget they let such “experts” as freddy barnes, krautheimer, kristol meth, tranny anny coultergeist and malkin string their feces all over the stage as well.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pmVerbalkint: Wonder how much Murdoch is raking in on the military war machine? You KNOW he’s in on it.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pmupside99: You’ve nailed it for the Circus that Fox News has become. Everyone I know has a Fox Blocker so there’s no 3-ring circus in my home.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:14 pmSomething about Neil Cavuto’s face makes the word “porcine” spring to my mind.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:16 pmGET YOUR OFFICIAL ‘FOX BLOCKER’ TODAY!
Rid yourself of this fascist propaganda tool today -
October 12th, 2007 at 4:17 pmhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002220590_foxblocker26.html?syndication=rss
Fox began making noise about Betray-us and the Nobel Peace Prize so it’s “sweet justice” to see it go to a well-deserving patriot like Al Gore. Let Fox stew in their rancid juices!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:19 pmJust get your FOX BLOCKER and rid yourself of their fascist noise.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:19 pmWar is Peace?
George Orwell was right!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:19 pmhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002220590_foxblocker26.html?syndication=rss
October 12th, 2007 at 4:20 pmhahaha – in your dreams, piss soaked troll! In your dreams…..the day anyone could garner an iota of truth from a fictitious news channel like Fox, is the day that we discover the moon to made of cream cheese…..creampuff troll.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmBartlebee: I’ve heard that today the number of registered repukes has dropped again. Soon they will be non existent. They’ve already become irrelevant to the national landscape.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:22 pmBartlebee: In point of fact, with their numbers in the mid twenties, the Right is not just dying – they’re already deceased! RIP Sickos.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmBREAKIN NEWS!!!! The American Phyciatric Association has just identified a formerly unidentified Mental Illness. ” Fox News Syndrome” Systems include, but are not limited to the following: Chronic Lying, Chronic Denial of facts, Adult Onset of Retardation, Fear of Reality, Uncontrollable Identifcation with Sheep. And last, but not least….STUPIDITY!!! For proof of this new illness…switch immediately to Fox Newa Channel
October 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pm… maybe the Nobel War Prize!??!?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pmYou know it. Soon there won’t be a person in America without a steady stream of spittle rolling down the corner of their chin willing to associate themselves with the republicans.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
HEY!! What about jeff gannon, mark foley, larry craig and ted haggard? They will remain true to the Party, because of its “wide stance” on so many issues, right?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:26 pmMichael: What did you do to deserve the Asshat of the Year award?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYou know what I wonder…?
I wonder if these people – when they are all alone in the wee small hours of the night, locked safely behind their steel-core doors with the deadbolts thrown and their plastic sheeting securely duct-taped, when they look at themselves in the mirror…
Do they *truly* believe what they say…?
One wonders.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:28 pmThe koolaid is spiked again! Fox News wants to give a nobel peace prize to Petraeus? That’s like giving Fox News the Edward R. Murrows award for journalism! LOL!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:28 pmMichael: Why not google “Noble Peace Prize” and find out?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:31 pmOr are you just being a typical spittle-dribbling Rethug?
I agree, Betrayus has done a great job bring saving the nation of Iraq. First he loosed 100,000 weapons on the country, probably in the hands of the insurgents, then he so successfully trained all those Iraqi police, and finally he brought another 30,000 Americans into Iraq to further the occupation. I’m sure the Iraqi’s are so thankful that they have General Betrayus.
It’s pretty sad that the Right has to put forth a war-mongering, ideologically driven General as their version of someone who fosters peace in this world.
But, then, for the Republicans up is down, black is white and war is peace.
I do admit that I am enjoying watching them go apoplectic. It’s really quite amusing.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:32 pmTo be honest, I don’t know why they chose Gore, but kudos to Gore for winning. Too funny about Fox. Didn’t some right wing loony, try to say Limbaugh should have gotten the award a couple years ago?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:32 pmbush equates killing for peace is like fu*king for vriginity!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:32 pmOh I see you’re right. Thats not spittle.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
UH HUH! You noticed that, too!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmIf next November is a no brainer, does that mean that the right wing troglodites will vote for a Democrat? Talk about people without brains.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmEH? FUks Snooze thinks war is peace? No wonder the freepers are so full of hate, they think that is love. Wouldn’t Jesus be proud of the freepers?
NOT.
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“What did he do to win it? What criteria was used?
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007
What school did you go to again? And they taught you what, exactly? That multiple questions are wise? Why dont you know, genius? Why cant you google the answer?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmGore wins the “Peace” prize for works claimed to be based on science. I think the Nobel committee tacitly recognizes that the premises of his pseudo-science (never tested using the scientific method) would not hold up to the actual Nobel “Science” prize.
Well done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:34 pmOf course everyone can agree that Bremer, Franks and Tenet deserved their Medals of Freedom, right Righties? PFFFFT.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:34 pmYeah. *MILLIONS* of people qualify for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Good grief. Mikey – get a grip. You’re spraying everywhere.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:34 pmThat applies to millions of people! What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007
Oh please, your angry because the Bush Freedom Operation was a lie.
What specifically has Bush not done to not be awarded this prize?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmIt must be like sulphiric acid on this simpletons brain to see the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Al Gore, lol.
Squirm little worm, squirm.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
But nothing like what he will feel when the Repugs have been reduced to a 40% majority in both Houses and have lost the WH.
That post-election Repug-flushing hangover will be a Bi-atch!
October 12th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWhat did he do to win it? What criteria was used?
Comment by michael
So rather than doing any research you come to TP and ask us what criteria was used? If you were truly interested in the criteria, you would seek out the information for yourself. You wouldn’t come to a progessive blog and ask us. So because you asked us, I believe you really don’t care what the criteria was used to choose Mr. Gore – or anybody else. You simply wanted to whine and moan that Mr. Gore was given the award. An award he deserved given his work around the planet in the last few years.
Is your hatred of anything good and moral destroyed your inner compass? Can’t you at least relish the fact that an American won the award – you know as a patriotic citizen that shoudl make you proud of an Americans accomplishments and recognition.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:37 pm#88 “40% majority” should have been “40% minority”. My Bad.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmPetraeus isn’t the only spurned loser in the Nobel-stakes.
Rush Limbaugh actually thinks that he was a nominee and now…
Rush Limbaugh To Challenge Gore Peace Prize Win?
Rush made this comment earlier this year. Will he follow through?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmFAUX NOIZ LOGIC is that Peace = War. Dumb nitwits.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmMichael; if your salary doubled, you must be a hedge fund trader, a drug company executive or a health insurance bigwig.
See you in November, 2008, loser.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmReally? Stock Market at a all time high! Unemployment at all time lows! My salary has almost doubled! The country is in ruins! Do you live in France?
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007
Actually, no. If you take inflation into account the stock market is not at a high. The dollar has been dropped by countries due to its falling value. I have never said the country was in ruins thats been a talking point of the right wing nuts for some time. The housing market is in ruins, the newest duty for police is patrolling empty homes for squattors. No I dont live in France, do you live in this space/time continuum?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYou really don’t know the answer, do you?
Comment by michael
Do I?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:40 pmIts called the regular news. Where they deliver facts and such, instead of Republican party talking points.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
And this news would be where? The last time I looked, CBS, ABC and NBC sounded a lot like Fox. And they certainly don’t report the news. They have news in 30 second sound bites and they spend a lot more time covering OJ and Britney than they to world affairs.
The only place where you can get real news these days is on the Internet. And even there you have to go to many sources to get a complete picture.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:40 pmFAUX NOIZ never has an arguement or discussion…they attack the messenger. That is all they do…just like the republican party. Did Jimmy Carter lie about Cheney? No but he is bad for speaking out.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:41 pmYes, as if Fox “News” is more qualified than the Nobel Committee.
Good grief they are looking more and more foolish by the day, if that’s possible.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmWar is peace, good is evil, hot is cold, Fox IS news, vote for me.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmMichael: You have a computer; use it – do some research and stop asking for help.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmWhat have you done to deserve anyone’s help?
I can only shake my head. An American won a most prestigious prize, and is actually being slammed for it. There was a time in our country when we could recognize our differences but also celebrate our collective pride in achievements. What has happened to us?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmXisithrus, the worms just trying to bait you. -BB
Yeh, I know =) but he never succeeds in his questions.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:43 pmAnd so I’ll ask again, what criteria was used to award algore the prize? Millions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do?
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Google it, asswipe. It’s right there on the Nobel Institutes’s web site.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:44 pmReally? Stock Market at a all time high! Unemployment at all time lows! My salary has almost doubled! The country is in ruins! Do you live in France?
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Do you think all 300+Americans can afford investing in the Stock Market? The unemployment numbers do not include people whose benefits have run out (they are not counted)and probably still unemployed and have applied for public assistence. Not to mention all the illegals standing around Home Depot or Dunkin Donuts waiting for day labor. And who cares how much money YOU make. Wake up
October 12th, 2007 at 4:44 pm104: Michael and his merry band of fascists happened to us.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:45 pmSeriously, what a great fantasy – start your own tv news show. You know, one that actually reports THE NEWS!
Comment by missy — October 12, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
missmolly: Now there’s a novel concept! I think you and I could take that one places. Remember when we had “truth in reporting laws�?
Back then, you’d be strung up by your balls for even making an honest mistake in news reporting. Now you’ll be lucky to find a shard of truth in anything Fox New spews.
Comment by Veritas — October 12, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Nope — “missy” isn’t me. But I like the idea, though. I remember back in the 1970’s that journalism still had some principles. When Watergate was the story of the day, EVERYBODY was careful to get corroborating sources for what got reported, whether they were print reporters or broadcasters.
Of course, back then television news consisted of “straight news” more than commentary. There were panel shows — Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc. — but even those tended to feature a balance of panelists.
Nowadays, pundit shows get more airtime than straight news reporting, so much so that many people actually GET their news from these shows, and the line between news and opinion (or, more accurately, “news” and “inflammatory conjecture”) has gotten very blurry.
Yes — a news show with actual news. News that has been obtained from investigative reporting and not just parroting press releases verbatim. News untainted by a corporate media boss with an agenda. It would be a breath of fresh air.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:45 pmMillions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do? Comment by michael — October 12, 2007
Wow, he really is having a full blown hissy fit isn’t he…I wonder how he types with his face in the carpet, flailing his arms and kicking his legs and tears streaming from his eyes?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmMichael: What criteria was used to award you Asshat of the Year? There are millions of other Asshats, like rush, hannity, gibson, oreily, coulter, malkin, et al., who have poisoned our political process with hate, greed and arrogance, what specifically did you do?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmANY Comment by michael
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October 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmmichael, why don’t you go kick a 12-yr-old or spit on a returning soldier? That’s what you guys are best at. This topic is a little too complex for you to grasp.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pm…
“…the Nobel committee tacitly recognizes that the premises of his pseudo-science…
and there it is…
attack the prize… attack that foreign group of do-gooders…
attack attack attack…
i think it all comes down to big funding by the oilCOs…
October 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmthey’ve got their slimy fingers in everything…
…
Micheal:
Your question has already been answered by RemoveBush.
THIS!
http://www.afsc.org/ about/ nobel/ nominations.htm#criteria
“Criteria of the AFSC Nobel Peace Prize Nominating Committee:
1. The candidate’s commitment to nonviolent methods.
2. The quality of the candidate as a person and of her/his sustained contribution to peace.
3. The candidate’s work on issues of peace, justice, human dignity, and the integrity of the environment.
4. The candidate’s possession of a world view and/or global impact as opposed to a parochial concern.â€
NUF SAID!
Comment by RemoveBush — October 12, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Why do you continue to squabble? Seriously, if you think Al Gore didn’t deserve the honor that was bestowed upon him, then you can take it to Norway, my friend. There are no answers here for you.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI stand corrected, sir. Thanks!!
(See, rightards, that’s called “Being a Real Man” and admitting when you were wrong. Try it some time — gawd knows you all have had enough practice the past six years … )
October 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pm104 – Candyce – George Dubya happened to us.
It’s a real crying shame, isn’t it?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pmAnd so I’ll ask again, what criteria was used to award algore the prize? Millions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do?
Comment by michael
I’ll write really slowly so you’ll get it: It is YOUR business to find this stuff out – not TP’s, and certainly not mine. You need to care enough to do your own work. You need to care enough to take time to discover things you would wish to know. If laziness is one of your attributes, you have it perfected IMHO. As I stated before, you truly do not care what criteria was used. It would not matter to you. Even if you did discover what you wished to know, limbaugh would simply tell you to forget it anyway. You value limbaughs words over most everything else.
Why can’t you be proud of a fellow American winning a very important award? WATB is you ask me…
October 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pmI can only shake my head. An American won a most prestigious prize, and is actually being slammed for it. There was a time in our country when we could recognize our differences but also celebrate our collective pride in achievements. What has happened to us?
Comment by Candyce — October 12, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Because the Republicans are so damned full of themselves and want to be in control of everything that they cannot for one moment admit that someone else might be right about something. They cannot admit any wrongdoing; it is a sign of weakness. I go through the very same damn thing from time to time with a family member who is the epitome of Republicanism. She will argue with me over an issue, whether simple or complicated, and I can show her indisputable proof from the experts that back up my opinion, and she still will not concede. There have also been times where she has been forced to admit a mistake, while at the same time she will not accept responsibility for it nor offer any apology; instead she just laughs it off. I can only describe it as a combination of a lack of logic and a plethora of ignorance.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:54 pmBy that reasoning shouldn’t GW666 get the peace prize for putting to peace 600 thousand Iraqi’s and 4 thousand of our soldiers?
Or do they think it said PIECE prize as in blowing to Pieces thousands of Iraqi’s and our soldiers?
Just an honest mistake – Foley (D)
Buck Fush
October 12th, 2007 at 4:54 pmThat applies to millions of people! What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?
Comment by michael
Look it up your self Right Wing Loon. We are not here to answer your inane questions or to do your homework for you. If you want an answer to your question, find it yourself.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
michael, of course the globe is warming. Are you doubting the ice age ever happened?
October 12th, 2007 at 4:57 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Honestly.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:57 pmmichael thinks Global Warming is junk science. What he didn’t tell you is that the earth is flat, 6000 years old and that gravity is only a theory.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmThe predictably sad thing about this Faux News smear campaign is, as some have pointed out, a former Vice-President of the US was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
But because he was a Democratic Vice-President, conservatives cannot feel pride in their own country and cheer the award.
Sad. Really sad.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pmYou’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
You’re question was already answered. The fact that you couldn’t go get it yourself, says something about your own journalism.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmUmmmm…They actually don’t give peace prizes to warmongering political military officer types.
Last I looked Mushareff didn’t get one either.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmComment by michael — October 12, 2007
Okay michael, here is a challenge, prove our dimensional reality, If you do you get 125 kajillion dollars.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmTo be honest, I don’t know why they chose Gore, but kudos to Gore for winning. Too funny about Fox. Didn’t some right wing loony, try to say Limbaugh should have gotten the award a couple years ago?
Comment by Krazny
You don’t know why they chose Gore, and you call yourself a liberal. Right.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:01 pmMichael: What did you do to win the Asshat of the Year award? Your here because you CANT answer my question.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmYou’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007
I am here for you and your pointlessly endless questions?
Prove it?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmComment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Micheal your question has been answered several times. People have not only posted the criteria for the Nobel peace prize, but also have answered the question of why Gore. Please I realize you do this to disrupt, and you aren’t interested in actual debate, but when your question is answered you should move on to something new.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Is this not double-speak at it’s finest? Does this News Agency not sum up conservative politics in a single sentence?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmAn Army general that’s currently overseeing a combat operation should be given the Nobel Peace Prize??
What the fk is that guy smoking?
Even if this war was a just one, even if this war was on the level of an effort like stopping Hitler, how the could anyone rationally think to give a PEACE prize to a GENERAL??!!
Alfred Nobel was the inventor of dynamite, an explosive. Nobel feared that the explosive would be used to harm human beings.
He created the peace prize in an effort to award people that worked to better humanity.
How the hell is it logical to give this award to a person that oversees the use of EXPLOSIVES that are intended to kill HUMAN BEINGS?
Talk about an authoritarian crackhead!!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmYou’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007
And whats/wheres your science to back this up?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmSad. Really sad.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
It is sad. Fox should be recognizing their fellow American for his peaceful work around the world. But all they can muster is negativity and hate.
A sad group indeed.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmYou’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Michal, you’re really not showing much brainpower here.
Your question “Why can’t anyone tell me what criteria was used to award algore the prize?” has been answered several times (handing you a fish) and you’ve also been instructed where you can find the answer yourself (teaching you HOW to fish). You’ve ignored all attempts at both strategies and continue to insist that we here owe you an answer that you haven’t gotten.
Also, your childish insistence on spelling the name of the former Vice-President and now Nobel Laureate in all lower case and as one word demonstrates an infantile reaction to information you don’t like. Congratulations.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmMichael: Why not google “Noble Peace Prize†and find out?
Or are you just being a typical spittle-dribbling Rethug?
Comment by helenahandbasket — October 12, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Actually he is the typical spittle-dribbling Rethug.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pmGore wins the “Peace†prize for works claimed to be based on science. I think the Nobel committee tacitly recognizes that the premises of his pseudo-science (never tested using the scientific method) would not hold up to the actual Nobel “Science†prize.
Well done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!
Comment by JT
Our new Right Wing Loon JT wants us to think that Global Warming is not based on science. I’m sure the thousands of famous scientists around the world would be surprised to hear about that. Then the Loon suggests that Gore can’t win the Prize for Science because Global Warming is not truly scientific. Well, loon, Gore would not win the prize for science because he is not a scientist. He is a humanitarian who is speaking to the world about the dangers to our planet by Global Warming.
God this is so much fun watching these Right Wing Loons lose it over the awarding of the prize. It is driving them all bat-shit insane!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pm“Criteria of the AFSC Nobel Peace Prize Nominating Committee:
1. The candidate’s commitment to nonviolent methods.
2. The quality of the candidate as a person and of her/his sustained contribution to peace.
3. The candidate’s work on issues of peace, justice, human dignity, and the integrity of the environment.
4. The candidate’s possession of a world view and/or global impact as opposed to a parochial concern.â€
NUF SAID!
Comment by RemoveBush — October 12, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
It’s no wonder Bush didn’t win after being nominated in 2002!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmthe caveat at junkscience is for humans being directly related to catostrophic global warming. There will be nay sayers while they are rolling up their pant legs.
Michael, there’s been a $10,000 challenge for longer requesting confirmation that Bush served in Alabama. No takers for years now. Why do you think that is? My guess is that Bush was a phony soldier.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmWow! The conservatives are frothing today!
Gore ‘08!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pmMichael; if your salary doubled, you must be a hedge fund trader, a drug company executive or a health insurance bigwig.
See you in November, 2008, loser.
Comment by helenahandbasket
He’s more likely to be a drug dealer than any company executive. Someone with an IQ in the room temperature range rarely makes it to an executive rank.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:07 pmIt is driving them all bat-shit insane!
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 12, 2007
I absolutely disagree with that statement sir!!!
Its making them more Bat crap crazy.
After all they did have to reinvent Jesus, the prince of peace, to turn him into the king of war, I mean, how else could Petraeus be awarded the peace prize?
Orwellian Jesus, who would have ever thunk it?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“That applies to millions of people! What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:31 pmâ€
Buzz off……
YOU ALREADY KNOW, as I showed you!
It was in the CRITIERIA I posted……..
Man YOU are DENSE!
Comment by RemoveBush — October 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Uh — you’re letting the troll get to you. This is michael’s M.O. — he can’t debate intelligently, so he gets a charge out of being annoying instead. His method of arguing is to repeatedly ask questions (my friend has a three-year old who does the same thing). It doesn’t matter if you fall into his trap and answer them — he will continue to ask the same ones. Or he will respond to your answer with an even dumber one.
Look at the list of questions michael has put forth on this thread alone and ask yourself if this guy is worth your time:
“And which one was used to justify algore being chosen?”
“Then how do you learn the truth?”
“What did he do to win it? What criteria was used?”
“Why can no one tell me the criteria used to award your hero algore the prize?”
“What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?”
“And why can’t you give me the answer? Maybe you don ‘t know?”
“You really don’t know the answer, do you?”
“And so I’ll ask again, what criteria was used to award algore the prize? Millions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do?”
Now, if michael really wanted to make the point of “I don’t think Al Gore is deserving of the Peace Prize because…” or “There are many other people in this world (names inserted here) who are more worthy of the prize than Al Gore”, he could have posted a coherent piece outlining his position. (He would have scored even more points if he realized that “Al Gore” is two words, and that “criteria” is plural, not singular.) He could have done some research on his own to bolster his arguments.
Instead, he challenges with the same questions relentlessly, even after they are answered, and even when it’s obvious he doesn’t really care about the answers. He thinks that he is making others look bad by his questions, but in reality he’s just like a whiny annoying little brother whose job it is to irritate others until they reach their limit and smack him a good one.
This troll isn’t worth your time or energy.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAsshat of the Year (you all know who I’m referring to): I’ll give you
October 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pm$ 125,000.00 to let me know how you got your head so far up your ass.
Come on, it’s easy money!
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007
Jesus wasn’t interested in money, nor am I.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pmI cannot even fathom the bias that such an entry would receive by this particular website.
Conservatives make website,
Conservatives make contest,
Conservatives offer prize,
Conservatives judge entries.
Hm. Let me ask you Michael, what are your values concerning our environment?
I am not being facetious or proposing new debate, just making sure we’re on the same page here.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:12 pmAsshat of the year: No one has said that AL GORE is a scientist. But you remain, “Asshat of the Year”.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:13 pmIt’s getting increasingly difficult to tell the difference between Fox News and a little fly buzzing here and there around the room. Both are just about equally irrelevant to the important issues in the world today.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:14 pmLMAO, the conservatives want proof of global warming?
Did it ever occur to you michael that the biblical flood may heve been related to global warming?
Now, give me the 125k.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pm168: I’d agree if the fly was a blood-sucking, disease spreading, parasite.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmNow that’s a more accurate comparison to fox news.
Comment by Xisithrus — October 12, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Laughing. my. effing. ass. off.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmComment by helenahandbasket — October 12, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
That would commonly be referred to as a skeeter down south.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by Picklee — October 12, 2007
Heh. 8^B
October 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWell done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!
Comment by JT
Too bad Bush didn’t win the award. He would have made a fine addition to that list you provided.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pm175: His new moniker is: Asshat of Year.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI’m a retired Army officer. Although one of the reasons I made the military my career was because I believe that a strong military can prevent wars, i would never consider recommending a military officer for the Noble Prize, with one exception:
Anyone who led a force that prevented genocide, as General Wesley Clark did in Kosovo, in spite of opposition from the Republicans and many in the Pentagon, deserves a Nobel Prize.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmBy the way, when Asshat of Year uses “algore”, he is using another of rush’s insults.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmIs it 2009 yet?
You actually believe the propaganda from junkscience.com?? Man you are pathetic.
I researched that hack Steven Milloy for a paper last year. (He’s the person that runs that site, did you know that?)
Milloy has been criticized by other journalists because of the corporate entities that have funded his various operations. If an audience member was willing to question Milloy’s information, they could find a fair amount of articles that question his motives. As he has accepted money and written articles favoring or demonizing various positions, Milloy’s journalistic ethics have been questioned. In the journalistic community, it is severely frowned upon to accept money for writing articles that either support or criticize an issue (3).
October 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmIs there any doubt how unfair and (mentally) unbalanced fox “news” is? Zero credibility? They’re into negative cred numbers now. I am surprised they aren’t nominating Numbnuts GW: Iraq is so peaceful after four plus years of occupation that the whole MidEast is now a democracy.
They’d be first to call for Jesus’ crucifixion, then quickly blame ‘liberals’ for his death.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmCrazy like a rabid, strung-out, junkie lunatic fox.
His method of arguing is to repeatedly ask questions (my friend has a three-year old who does the same thing). It doesn’t matter if you fall into his trap and answer them — he will continue to ask the same ones. Or he will respond to your answer with an even dumber one.
Every time I read a post by michael, that’s what comes to mind. A three year old whining “but why mommy” 100 times in an hour.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmCorner michael? Didn’t you read the first part of my post? Global warming exists. To what extent does man have to do with that will be debated for years. Is man responsible for the additional methane produced by the animals we raise for slaughter?
couldn’t answer my question though could you?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmwe’ll be drawing lines in the country soon, and fight the civil war all over again. (sic)
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
In all honesty, if they took Dixie, and Bush and the debt run up by their gods, Reagan and Bush, I would be willing to let them go. I live in Wasthington state, and frankly if we Oregon, and California formed our own republic. We would do fine.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmDo you usually change the subject when you are backed into a corner?
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Why do you run off when your lies are pointed out?
Now that you are here, answer why you, a self claimed Navy veteran did not know what the fsck an NEC is?
I will ask you every time I see you post.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:24 pmIs your hatred of anything good and moral destroyed your inner compass? Can’t you at least relish the fact that an American won the award – you know as a patriotic citizen that shoudl make you proud of an Americans accomplishments and recognition.
Comment by StratRat — October 12, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Michael’s answer to the first question would be, “Yes, obviously.” Your second question gives him way too much credit. This guy is no patriotic American citizen. He is, however, very loyal to the Republican party and Bush. He’s a Brownshirter, and the Reichstag would have loved him.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:24 pmLIPSKY: I can’t think of anything more directly responsive to the idealism of the Nobel Peace Prize itself than the kinds of liberation and peacekeeping that our G.I. Joe and G.I. Jane has had as a mission since World War II.
Lipsky hasn’t the slightest idea what inspired Alfred Nobel to institute his prizes, does he? Oh, yeah, stoopid question, he’s a Republican….
Really, you RW foamers, yak it up with this idea that soldiers in aggressive wars of choice that descend into bloodbaths with hundreds of thousands in casualties is advancing “peace”. That’s enough for even the folks that haven’t yet read Orwell to twig to what evil retards you are….
Cheers,
October 12th, 2007 at 5:25 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
True, but he did it for human dignity.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:30 pm“we’re not scientists
Comment by BARTLEBEEâ€
And neither is algore!
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
That explains why they didn’t award him one of the SCIENCE prizes.
See the difference?
No, I didn’t think you would.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWell done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!
Comment by JT — October 12, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Thugs, murderers, and terrorists like Muhammed Yunus, Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, Jody Williams, Nelson Mandela, Lech Walesa, Desmond Tutu, Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King, and Albert Schweitzer?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:34 pmI’m a retired Army officer. Although one of the reasons I made the military my career was because I believe that a strong military can prevent wars, i would never consider recommending a military officer for the Noble Prize, with one exception:
Anyone who led a force that prevented genocide, as General Wesley Clark did in Kosovo, in spite of opposition from the Republicans and many in the Pentagon, deserves a Nobel Prize.
Comment by Lt. Colonel Fred Seamon
Agreed. I also thank you for your service to this country.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:34 pmDoes Asshat actually think anyones interested in his “links�
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Only if the “links” make up a chain we can weigh him down with. I live near the ocean, maybe we can throw him off a pier.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:37 pm198: Why waste a perfectly good chain. Anyway, I think Asshat has left the building, because the noxious odors emanating from my computer are starting to clear up.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:38 pmAnyway, I think Asshat has left the building, because the noxious odors emanating from my computer are starting to clear up.
Comment by helenahandbasket
I thought the air cleared out rather quickly.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:41 pm[...] Republicans today like killers.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
I must correct you here. Not just today, it’s ever since they’ve been conservative. It’s in their blood.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI must also add, quite off topic, but relevant nonetheless, that Bush does not have a son.
He has no heir, people!
The Bush reign will end, ‘08.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmJenna counts as a son. See how thick her arms are?
Please read “The Obvious Connections…” at :
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/the-obvious-connections-are-the-ones-we-miss/
About CFR connection between Sept. 11th 1973 Chile and Sept. 11th 2001 New York City.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pmAs far as Petraeus is concerned, read “Culture of Lies…” at
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/culture-of-lies-petraeus-at-it-again/
I know it’s blog whoring, I have no shame.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmPentagon study last year said there will be wars in future due to global warming. People will be fighting for land, food, and water. Many millions of refugees will be created. If we prevent/lessen global warming, then that would be making progress for peace. Neocons hate that.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pmGuys, sorry to break in here, but I just saw this on The Raw Story. Apparently the Senate is preparing to give Bush the telco immunity he desires in the FISA law update:
President Bush vowed Wednesday not to sign a bill that doesn’t spare prosecution for the telecommunications industry, and House Democratic leaders have indicated they may grant immunity if Bush’s administration agrees to detail the companies’ involvement in the wiretapping program.
Excuse me, but what the hell good is it going to do to have the telco’s involvement in the wiretapping program revealed if nothing can be done about it? This is like a driver of a car slamming into another one and killing the occupants, and then saying, well, I’ll admit that I was driving drunk if you grant me immunity from prosecution.
I think I did read on crooksandliars that states can still go forward with lawsuits against the telcos, because they do not have to follow federal guidelines. Thus, any immunity granted by the federal government does not apply in the states.
There’s more at Firedoglake.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by Picklee — October 12, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Unless Jenna or Barbara decides to run. I’m sure either one of them has the same credentials as their father.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmStratRat, don’t stay out too late. Remember what your wife said.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI just clicked on “Michael’s’” link. It’s Ann Coulter’s website.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmI just clicked on “Michael’s’†link. It’s Ann Coulter’s website.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — October 12, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
OMG!! I wonder if tranny anny’s alter-ego is michael. That would explain a LOT!!
October 12th, 2007 at 6:02 pm.
American Pravda, FOX, propagandizing again.
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October 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pm.
Thou Shalt NOT KILL!
Making peace = NOT KILLING!
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October 12th, 2007 at 6:26 pmFOX News. ha ha You can get more truthfull information from Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck !
October 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmAre you going to enter the contest on http://www.junkscience.com ? Come on, it’s easy money!
Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Hey MichaelAnn,
I’ll tell you what: I’ll enter the contest if you make yourself eligible for a Darwin Award. It’s easy everlasting fame!
http://darwinawards.com/darwin/
October 12th, 2007 at 6:54 pmComment by bob lahblah — October 12, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Michael/Tranny Anny is long gone. Has to get that little black cocktail dress cleaned of all that splooged DNA from last night. He/she has a big date with some Repugs tonight.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:02 pmOh, but war IS peace, and up is down, and right is wrong. The NOBEL BOOBY PRIZE has been announced as well….. and guess who won:
AND THE NOBLE BOOBY PRIZE GOES TO….GEORGE W. BUSH!
Read about it here: http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=665
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=665
October 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pmLIPSKY: I say Gen. Petraeus, not Al Gore.
Straight out of the mouth of the seriously fatally flawed, commonly found on the seriously fatally flawed ‘noose channel’.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:25 pmGo to Yahoo News and see the story just posted about what Gen. Sanchez said about Iraq!
He calls it a nightmare and a total f@ckup and the “surge” was just a last-ditch effort to salvage the mistake.
Looks like the worms are turning …….. and the Repugs are getting their asses eaten.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:28 pmTo suggest give a General who currently commands an army fighting a war is so bat shit crazy it sounds like a stunt the USSR would have tried to pull.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pmwhy not award the peace prize to Dick Cheney?
October 12th, 2007 at 7:37 pmBETRAYUS
BETRAYUS
BETRAYUS
Peace awards are NEVER given to phony LYING generals who BETRAY US!
October 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmHere’s a real answer, OK?
October 12th, 2007 at 8:08 pmthe deliberations of the Nobel Committee are secret and private. And no, outside of their stated reasons they do not and never have elaborated on the process and their criteria.
There has to be a certain amount of arbitrariness to the decisiions. Witness the prize I was almost as happy over–the Nobel Prize for Literature to Doris Lessing.
Why this year? There’s no way of knowing. It’s not the National Book Award: it’s for a body of work, not what you did lately. AFAIK, Lessing has been relatively quiet lately.
Scientists get awards for research they did years ago. Why they chose this eminent scientist over that eminent scientist this year is pretty impenetrable.
The Peace Prize is more current and more topical–but not always: giving the Peace Preace Prize to the International Red Cross in 1963, Amnesty International 1n 1977 and Doctors Without Borders in 1999 were not for specific acts.
And BTW, the Peace Prize was given in 2004 to Wangari Maathai, an ecological activist. So there’s a precedent.
So Al Gore joins Martin Lutyer King Jr. and Jimmy Carter, yes, and Henry Kisinger in the compay of winners. It’s just the opinions of some guys in Norway, who after all think ‘j’ is a vowel.
But they’re answerable to no one. And they don’t give a fig what any of us think.
So suck it up, trolls. They agree with us; they don’t agree with you. Whining about it makes you sound like spoiled brats.
#215 The Shadow knows…
Bush also won the RUCerious prestigious
FusterCluck award.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_re_mi_ea/sanchez_iraq_2;_ylt=At1wzw0FhD3uIAac0BpanTpX6GMA
The Gen Sanchez piece, buried kinda deep at Yahoo…
October 12th, 2007 at 8:36 pmComment by pbg — October 12, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Thank you! You stated that far better than I ever could.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:39 pmBush does not have a son. [...]
The Bush reign will end, ‘08.
Comment by Picklee — October 12, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I am not so sure. He does have a nephew: George P. Bush.
I read somewhere that Republican strategists jokingly talk about the day when the first Hispanic president of the US will be both a Republican and a George Bush.
::shudder::
October 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pmFauxNews plan for peace: Kill all them Arabs! And them Iranians! And them Moslims! And anyone else who doesn’t look like us, or believe in the same things we do! Don’t forget them Chinese!
October 12th, 2007 at 9:14 pmFaux is not a news station, it is a platform for troll.
October 12th, 2007 at 10:02 pmWhy is anyone even wasting time with Fox, we know what they are, the Republican “Baghdad Bob” Propaganda Station. Ignore them, maybe their sponsors will go away once they find no one is paying any attention, and then so will Fox.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:19 amOK, sorry to bring this back up again but I figured something out. Michael actually started that junkscience website, so the $15 bucks would go to him/her. Also, does anybody remember that time in pee-wee Herman’s big adventure when pee-wee is offering a ten thousand dollar reward because “whoever returns the bike obviously stole it and they don;t deserve any reward!” It is reminiscent. Oh, also I went ot junk science and signed up for the competition. They evaluated my claim and I won the $125,000. I am really excited. I am probably going to spend it on McDonald’s meals so I can get the monopoly pieces and win even more money! Doesn’t McDonald’s own Fox?
October 13th, 2007 at 5:20 amWell, if the Peace Prize doesn’t carry the weight it once did, bighole, why are you and all of your brownshirt friends screaming bloody murder over it? why is it all over the news worldwide? Sounds to me like you’ve struck out again, and that you’re purely and simply envious that Al Gore has another one up on the miserable failure that you traitors allowed to steal your country, and are still allowing to murder innocent families in the Middle East and destroy families here at home. well, once again, you lose, bigtime! Losers, that’s who’s left for you to cower under your bed with. Suck it, LOSER.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:28 amIn reality, the world really does not hate us, the people.
They hate our leaders and what they have done with their power. They also know that this mess our leaders have put us into will be corrected in time.
When I talk about this in public there is always a 20% squirming like they just ’sharted’ their pants, it happened again last night.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:21 amDear Mr. President, are you going to openly praise Mr. Gore’s award?
October 13th, 2007 at 10:30 am……………………..
No, thats what I thought, oh well, our next leader will show you how it’s done. The regime change for America can not happen soon enough.
Apparently you all would prefer censorship of guest comments rather than open discussion, as long as it supports the lib point of view? Sounds pretty dangerous to me.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 13, 2007 @ 9:04 am
Since Fox is ‘balanced’ can you tell us the person on this segment who provided the point of view that Gore is a great man that deserved this award? Hmmm. Maybe their wasn’t one. Maybe Fox CONSISTENTLY provides a forum for extreme righties like Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin without providing a balance. (Michael’s favorite Steven Milloy is also a Fox News regular.)
Here’s a game I like to play with the global warming denier trolls. It’s called “Quote the Scientific Organization”. We go back and forth providing quotes from scientific organizations that have taken a position on global warming. The organizations have to be valid scientific organizations not places like Junk Science that have been clearly shown to take money from corportations (like big tobacco) and issue reports that are clearly in their favor.
I’ll start with one from the predominant meteorological organization in this country, the American Meteorological Society.
“Despite uncertainties, there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; that humans have significantly contributed to this change; and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems and on wildlife through the 21st century snd beyond, according to a new information statement on climate change issued by the American Meteorological Society today. The AMS is the nation’s leading professional society for those involved in the atmospheric and related sciences.”
Reference: http://www.ametsoc.org/amsnews/2007climatechangerelease.pdf
OK Bigfoot, your turn. Isn’t this a great way to debate the topic? Let’s let only the established scientific organizations give their point of view.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:31 amPerhaps you should look deep inside yourself and find the source of your hatred.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 13, 2007 @ 10:21 am
How about a four year long war that costs hundreds of billions of dollars, that has killed four thousand Americans and, at least, tens of thousands of Iraqis all fought over a rationale that turned out to be incorrect. I think any lover of ‘peace’ would find all of this a little disturbing.
And of course, this is the typical right-wing tactic of turning the argument around. YOU are the one who is so angry that they feel compelled to come to a web site where they are obviously going to start and argument.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:36 amOK. I Googled your Irena Sendler. Sounds like a decent person. I’m sure there are many decent nominees. But the esteemed Nobel committee picked Al Gore. Deal with it!!
Now, where are the scientific organizations that support your opinion on global warming? BTW, here is a list of the organizations that I was able to find that support the consensus view.
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
Joint science academies’ statement 2005
American Meteorological Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
The American Astronomical Society
American Association for the Advancement of Science
Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
Geological Society of America
American Association of State Climatologists
Australian Medical Association
American Chemical Society
American Quaternary Association
Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
Still waiting for yours
October 13th, 2007 at 10:40 amAnd here’s a good one from Junk Science. (Yes, I’m actually pointing to a link on Junk Science!!) It’s Steve Milloy defending his stance on taking money from tobacco companies and writing scientific articles on their behalf. It’s argued that it’s fine to keep the funding source under wraps since it would be too hard to objectively show it. What a crock!!
http://www.junkscience.com/sep98/scilet.html
Bigfoot, do you think it’s ok to take money from companies like Exxon and write pieces that appear to be scientific and counter prevailing scientific consensus on global warming?
October 13th, 2007 at 10:52 amFirst off, I don’t accept that there is consensus on global warming, which should have been apparent by now.
Secondly, I have no problem with Exxon supporting their business, which is oil. …
So, in short, my answer is: “Yes.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 13, 2007 @ 11:56 am
If there’s no consensus, let’s hear the scientific organizations that support your side. I provided numerous ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS that take my side. You provided a link to articles written by two INDIVIDUALS.
You have the right to your own opinion. You can even doubt evolution if you want. You should just be open enough to admit that you are going against established scientific consensus. IMHO, it’s pretty arrogant to suggest that you’re right but the scientific community, the broad group of experts in the matter, are wrong. That’s exactly what you are implying.
Exxon is clearly more concerned with their short-term profits than with the future of the planet we inhabit. You don’t have a problem with that. I do.
I believe in a free flow of information where research is done for the sole purpose of getting the right answer – the true intent of the scientific method. You think that it’s ok that those with the most money can submit “research” that distorts the real situation. That is not science. It is propoganda!
BTW, your “rest of the country” comment implies that we are in the minority. There have been many polls that show a majority of people in this country think our government is not doing enough to combat global warming. In fact, YOU are in the minority on this. Al Gore is responsible for educating a lot of people on this and for that I thank him.
As to be expected, we hear the line about the huge danger in trying to solve this problem. What possible damage could there be in doing simple things like driving more fuel-efficient vehicles and investing more money in alternative energy sources?
Again as to be expected, this global warming denier slips into the “out of my control” line of thinking which implies that we are powerless to do anything about it anyway. He goes on about his personal life style which is not at all the issue here. The issue is what kinds of decisions are made by our government at the much larger level. Indeed, there are many, many things that the Bush administration could have done to help ameliorate this problem. They have been completely negligent in this regard which is why Al Gore, and none of the Republicans that served under Bush won the Nobel peace prize.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pmBigfoot trots out the typical right-wing talking point about scientists predicting a cooling back in the seventies. First, there was never scientific consensus nor empirical evidence, as there is today with global warming. Secondly, part of the beauty of science is that it is self-correcting. If one theory, even a well-established one, is challenged by enough subsequent research, then the theory could be modified or changed altogether.
To boil down this argument to its simpliest terms – Some scientists predicted in the 1970’s that man’s activities would lead to a global cooling effect. Thus, anyone suggesting today that man’s activities will lead to a warming effect must be wrong. Sorry, that just doesn’t pass the most basic logic test.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pmremember ,Vinnie- it’s just because righties have some cognitive deficits that cause them to think that way. they also can’t reliably tell “M”’s from “W”’s, and forget about higher concepts like cause and effect. best just to chuckle to yourself, avoid making eye contact, and leave them on the corner with their cardboard signs, ranting to the wind.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:43 pmSorry, that just doesn’t pass the most basic logic test.
Comment by Vinnie — October 13, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Bigfoot is a coward and a liar, so everything he says is suspect. I wager that his little “green” story is an outright lie as well.
October 13th, 2007 at 1:49 pm“But some folks feel he is a hypocritical fraud, and felt this way prior to his Academy Award and Nobel Peace Prize:”
yes, bighole, and some folks think that Bush is president. No accounting for the vast, deep stupidity of the right. thanks for pointing out how stupid you are, though. I might have forgotten.
October 13th, 2007 at 2:12 pm>First off, I don’t accept that there is consensus on global warming,
You don’t accept that that the words “accounting” and “accoutability” have two totally different meanings even though I’ve plainly displayed the dictionary defintion for each. So what?
>http://www.junkscience.com/
Hahahahaha. Ah muckdogs favorite site. The guy repsonsible for this site has made a few other “interesting” assertions:
Cigarette smoke isnt bad for you.
If the world trade center had more asbestos in it, it wouldnt have collapsed.
Excuse us if we dont want to get our scientific evidence from people who get paid thousands of dollars an hour in consulting fees from the oil industry..
October 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pmI disagree that Petraeus deserve the Nobel over Gore. I hope that doesn’t make me a phony American.
October 14th, 2007 at 5:34 pmComments by BARTLEBEE:
All comments by Bartlebee show the desperation of a party of criminal frauds. You are such a joke , the exact opposite is true. The fact is that democrats are the ones who are guilty of what you accused Republicans of.
Say hello to the criminal democrat party of perpetual fraud. It’s because of infantile tantrum throwing losers like you that I no longer vote democrat. Thanks a million stupid bed wetter.
I am glad to see the party of traitors and frauds have been reduced to a bunch of sniveling lying nitwits. It’s time to rid this Country of Un-American democrat trash.
October 16th, 2007 at 5:54 pm“I disagree that Petraeus deserve the Nobel over Gore. I hope that doesn’t make me a phony American.”
Of course you do , you are a stupid democrat. Many years from now when it finally sinks in , remember who told you so.
And lefty crybaby you maggot scum, George W Bush “IS” the President of the United States. Now go change your diaper little punk ass.
October 16th, 2007 at 6:00 pmFirst off, Al Gore has done nothing to spread peace. All he has done in recent years is complain about Global Warming. He complains about increasing carbon emissions in the U.S. when we have reduced carbon emissions. The Third World is the area with rising carbon emissions, so if he wants to stop it, he can just go down to Venezuela and complain to Chavez himself. In the U.S. however, we have more efficient cars, cleaner power, and more efficient appliances. Now, on to General Petraeus. You say that war is not peace, which is true. War and peace are in fact opposites, but sometimes one can’t exist without the other. I am, of course, referring to the terrorist problems in Iraq. If we cut and run now, it will provide them with a victory that will allow them to say, “Hey, look, America can be beaten.” New soldiers will flock to their ranks and instead of fighting the war in Iraq, we’ll be fighting the war in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, or Atlanta. It is often said, and misunderstood, that we’re fighting over there so we don’t have to fight over here, but very few understand the meaning of that. These terrorists are not people you can reason with, they want the total complete destruction of America and all it stands for. We are fighting in the Middle East to show we are not afraid and we won’t stop until the job is done. If we cut and run now, then the terrorists will have an advantage. They will be the first to be able to say they defeated not only America, but also America’s principles. Even in Vietnam when we retreated, we did not give up on freedom, but retreating now means retreating from the world. Iraq is not an isolated war as fought in the past. The war in Iraq has combatants from all over the Middle East. Retreating from Iraq would mean retreating from the entire region. This would allow the extremists to recoup and rebuild. It will give them training and recruiting grounds in the most volatile area of the world. Plus, retreating from Iraq would make us seem weak, spurring on attacks from organizations currently afraid to fight us. The U.S. has the strongest military on the planet, but even it cannot stop terrorism if it is allowed to spread. We can defeat one, two, or three terrorist countries, maybe even all of them, but that can’t happen if we don’t take the fight to them. Right now, we have a bunch of groups that want us dead. If we show weakness by withdrawing from Iraq, them we will have one massive group that wants us dead. Even though the fragmented groups haven’t taken us down, the large group they would form if we surrendered in Iraq could. This is why we need to stay in Iraq, and this is why anyone, such as General Petraeus, who is trying to stop these terrorists is in fact trying to spread peace, because, as was stated before, war is not peace, and as long as these terrorist groups go unchallenged, there will be war.
October 18th, 2007 at 6:47 pm