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Fox News: Gore’s Never ‘Actually Done Something For Peace;’ Give Petraeus The Prize»

Earlier today, after Al Gore was named a co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Fox News kicked off the right-wing smear attacks on the former Vice President, comparing him to “Yasser Arafat and that crazy Jimmy Carter.”

But the cable network’s efforts to undermine Gore’s message and achievments began long ago. Yesterday, after suggesting that Gore has never “actually done something for peace,” Fox ran a chyron advocating that a different American be awarded the peace prize: Gen. David Petraeus.

In the segment, Neil Cavuto hosted New York Sun editor Seth Lipsky, whose paper ran an editorial this week saying that Petraeus deserved the prize for his attempts to “save the nation of Iraq.” Lipsky said that Petraeus “deserves” the award “as a representative of G.I. Joe” because American troops “go overseas to liberate, they go overseas to make peace.” He then added that the use of “fighting” in a war doesn’t undermine the “idealism” of the Nobel Prize:

LIPSKY: I can’t think of anything more directly responsive to the idealism of the Nobel Peace Prize itself than the kinds of liberation and peacekeeping that our G.I. Joe and G.I. Jane has had as a mission since World War II.

CAVUTO: So, you say Gen. Petraeus, not Al Gore?

LIPSKY: I say Gen. Petraeus, not Al Gore.

Watch it:

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When Alfred Nobel established the Peace Prize in his will, he specifically outlined the criteria by which the recipient should be chosen:

The prize for peace was to be awarded to the person who “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding of peace congresses.”

Petraeus is the architect of Bush’s surge, a plan that has increased the number of forces in Iraq.

So to recap: Alfred Nobel’s definition of peace: reduction of standing armies. Fox News’ definition of peace: war without end.

(HT: Newshounds)

UPDATE: In an interview at Science Progress, Joe Romm explains how Gore’s environmental work is directly related to peace and security issues.

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197 Responses to “Fox News: Gore’s Never ‘Actually Done Something For Peace;’ Give Petraeus The Prize”


  1. Picklee Says:

    Hypocrisy! They are talking DOUBLE SPEAK!

    War IS NOT Peace!

    Morons!


  2. Picklee Says:

    Comment by lumberjacklover — October 12, 2007 @ 3:54 pm

    1020 AM in Seattle. =)


  3. Veritas Says:

    All General Betray-us has done is kiss Bush’s a$$ and cook the books! How does this fool deserve anything but a swift boot in the derriere.

    If the apes on Faux News can’t see that uniting the world for a common threat means world peace, then they don’t deserve to even be on the air.


  4. Veritas Says:

    Once people unite, the concept of killing each other is not a possibility. This is so far above the heads of the white house and Fox News that it’s comical.


  5. missmolly Says:

    I doubt seriously that the Nobel committee gives a flying whoop what Fox News thinks. Furthermore, they would find the idea of giving the Peace Prize to a man who designed a surge of violence somewhat against their principles (not to mention laughable).

    Brickbats to Fox News for attempting to politicize Nobel Prizes.


  6. bob h Says:

    boo hoo de do hoo…conservowhining is reaching a new pitch


  7. AngryOne Says:

    Predictably, the conservative chattering class and its amen corner in the right-wing blogosphere are apoplectic about the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Al Gore. But their rage and angst about the Nobel Committee’s “politicized awards” for “mass exaggerators” and “deceptive rhetoric” isn’t merely a function of the inconvenient truth of the success of Gore’s global warming campaign. No, the rugged individualists of the right are just hopping mad that they never win prizes designed to recognize contributions to, well, the rest of humanity.

    To remedy this perpetual slight, then, here are:
    “Conservative Nobel Prizes We’d Like to See.”


  8. Veritas Says:

    Global warming can unite this country much the same as 911 did - until Bush actively chose to use it for diabolical purposes. It was obvious to the rest of the world that he was lying and using the positive energy for evil that it will take a global problem like this to ever unite anyone with us on this planet for a long time.


  9. This Machine Kills Fascists Says:

    These “people” are just the biggest effing a-holes on the planet.

    What sort of brain damage causes this behavior?


  10. Veritas Says:

    Another “inconvenient truth” which the reichwingnuts don’t want made known is that Bush is a Faux President.


  11. Picklee Says:

    All General Betray-us has done is kiss Bush’s a$$ and cook the books!

    Yes, and he should stand up for what he really believes in if he is such a deserver of a Nobel Peace Prize.


  12. Veritas Says:

    #11 A totally amoral, corrupt and brainwashed intellect.


  13. deebaser Says:

    lol wut?


  14. chnouf Says:

    The sad thing about this is that I live in Provo, UT. And a lot of people around here actually get their information from Fox News. The message that particular network endorses is so destructive to humanity. It is really hard for me to believe that someone would think that a military leader should get the nobel peace prize and even worse, someone would give that person airtime. I am a bit sick to my stomach right now.


  15. Jackie Says:

    Petraues gets the award for suck up, lost/sale of 190,000 weapons/vest/bullets given to enemy, cover up of US murdered Soldiers and torture of kidnapped people yes men/woman/children.

    Now if there’s a reward for that Petraeus have some company Bush/Cheney/Rummy/Rice and many other GOP Law Makers. Oh yes and many GOP paid Journalist are in the running for that award.


  16. missy Says:

    during the graveyard shifts, I’d have shows about lumberjacks in plaid shirts.

    Comment by lumberjacklover — October 12, 2007 @ 3:54 pm

    Because..they’re okay!!


  17. republicans hate facts Says:

    Yeah, because we know how much war is really the same as peace!!!!

    Wow, what a disturbed bunch of lunatics!


  18. missy Says:

    Seriously, what a great fantasy - start your own tv news show. You know, one that actually reports THE NEWS!


  19. Veritas Says:

    chnouf: Get a “Fox Blocker” today and your life will be much easier then. They are a disgustingly amoral, dispicable channel of fabricated, cherry-picked news. I feel sorry that you don’t have alternatives.

    Here’s an idea: Scrub Fox News from your television to rid it of any residual cooties and use the internet for your legitimate, truthful news instead. You’ll feel a definite reprieve from the burden of listening to lies and half truths all day on Fox.


  20. Juan C. Says:

    poor trolls:

    1) No WMDs
    2) No stable Iraq
    3) No OBL
    4) No surge is working
    5) Higher oil prices
    6) Terrorism worldwide increasing
    7) Blackwater
    8) Russia is getting pissed about the rocket shield
    9) Destruction of human rights

    10) Gore wins a Nobel

    Sad day for them.


  21. Veritas Says:

    missmolly: Now there’s a novel concept! I think you and I could take that one places. Remember when we had “truth in reporting laws”??

    Back then, you’d be strung up by your balls for even making an honest mistake in news reporting. Now you’ll be lucky to find a shard of truth in anything Fox New spews.


  22. MarkD Says:

    Didn’t Petraeus also undermine peace when he was in charge of the 250,000-or-so weapons that disappeared? You know, the ones sectarian death squads are using to kill innocent civilians?

    And wasn’t he also the author the military counter-insurgency manual? You know, the one filled with concepts that failed so miserably for five years and led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people?

    I guess those are just more pesky facts the right is willing to ignore.


  23. Veritas Says:

    I’m surprised they aren’t promoting Bush for the Nobel Peace Prize since they’ve adopted Orwellian speak throughout this government.

    Truth is lies, Down is Up, Losing is Winning, War is Peace…..it’s a totally corrupted government at this point.


  24. Veritas Says:

    MarkD: We need to keep that one alive. Now that we know where those 250,000 amazingly “disappearing” weapons went, don’t we? Betray-us should be investigated for that alone and strung up.


  25. Picklee Says:

    Cavuto is a babbling idiot. (Argh, I’m getting angrier just watching this baboon.) Seriously, Fox makes the claim that ‘Fow News is fair and balanced.’ — Laughing. my. effing. as$. off.


  26. And Yet... Says:

    Where is the figure to counteract the Rupert Murdoch phenom? Where is that hero/heroine?
    They would be forever renowned in history, even if their one act was to present an alternative to the Fixed News stations that reign on the local level in America…


  27. This Machine Kills Fascists Says:

    Comment by Veritas
    chnouf: Get a “Fox Blocker” today and your life will be much easier then.

    Heh, I have one of those blockers… that piece of crap channel isn’t checked off on my Tivo list, so I don’t even see it in the channel guide.

    Yay, no Asshat Channel!


  28. APEC not OPEC Says:

    Hello…Fake News…Betray-us was not nominated!!!! And does NOT meet the criteria…. Hello. Hello. Is anybody in there??? Geez! I’m not sure I can take much more of this crap.


  29. Picklee Says:

    Geez! I’m not sure I can take much more of this crap.

    Comment by APEC not OPEC — October 12, 2007 @ 4:11 pm

    Let’s picket them.


  30. VerbalKint Says:

    Fox sure has done a lot for war, though…


  31. Veritas Says:

    It will be decades before any Republicsumbag ever is elected to any office in this country!


  32. upside99 Says:

    But Fox news smears him and then declares the prize for Peace should be given to a man of War.

    They have ZERO credibility left after this.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

    And we should expect anything less from the station that:

    Has billo, hanniteehee, gibson, chrissy wallower, brit “the sloth eyed” humorless?

    And don’t forget they let such “experts” as freddy barnes, krautheimer, kristol meth, tranny anny coultergeist and malkin string their feces all over the stage as well.


  33. Veritas Says:

    Verbalkint: Wonder how much Murdoch is raking in on the military war machine? You KNOW he’s in on it.


  34. Veritas Says:

    upside99: You’ve nailed it for the Circus that Fox News has become. Everyone I know has a Fox Blocker so there’s no 3-ring circus in my home.


  35. Del Capslock Says:

    Something about Neil Cavuto’s face makes the word “porcine” spring to my mind.


  36. Veritas Says:

    GET YOUR OFFICIAL ‘FOX BLOCKER’ TODAY!

    Rid yourself of this fascist propaganda tool today -
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ html/ nationworld/ 2002220590_foxblocker26.html?syndication=rss


  37. Veritas Says:

    Fox began making noise about Betray-us and the Nobel Peace Prize so it’s “sweet justice” to see it go to a well-deserving patriot like Al Gore. Let Fox stew in their rancid juices!


  38. Veritas Says:

    Just get your FOX BLOCKER and rid yourself of their fascist noise.


  39. Clumberfeet Says:

    War is Peace?

    George Orwell was right!


  40. republicans hate facts Says:

    Then how do you learn the truth?
    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:19 pm

    The fact you have to ask, explains why you can’t distinguish what it is?



  41. republicans hate facts Says:

    And which one was used to justify algore being chosen?
    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:18 pm

    Why do you care? He won fair and square! Why do you hate people that are successful - envy?


  42. Veritas Says:

    hahaha - in your dreams, piss soaked troll! In your dreams…..the day anyone could garner an iota of truth from a fictitious news channel like Fox, is the day that we discover the moon to made of cream cheese…..creampuff troll.


  43. Veritas Says:

    Bartlebee: I’ve heard that today the number of registered repukes has dropped again. Soon they will be non existent. They’ve already become irrelevant to the national landscape.


  44. Veritas Says:

    Bartlebee: In point of fact, with their numbers in the mid twenties, the Right is not just dying - they’re already deceased! RIP Sickos.


  45. APEC not OPEC Says:

    BREAKIN NEWS!!!! The American Phyciatric Association has just identified a formerly unidentified Mental Illness. ” Fox News Syndrome” Systems include, but are not limited to the following: Chronic Lying, Chronic Denial of facts, Adult Onset of Retardation, Fear of Reality, Uncontrollable Identifcation with Sheep. And last, but not least….STUPIDITY!!! For proof of this new illness…switch immediately to Fox Newa Channel


  46. Art Says:

    … maybe the Nobel War Prize!??!?


  47. upside99 Says:

    You know it. Soon there won’t be a person in America without a steady stream of spittle rolling down the corner of their chin willing to associate themselves with the republicans.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:24 pm

    HEY!! What about jeff gannon, mark foley, larry craig and ted haggard? They will remain true to the Party, because of its “wide stance” on so many issues, right?


  48. helenahandbasket Says:

    Michael: What did you do to deserve the Asshat of the Year award?


  49. Leftside Annie Says:

    You know what I wonder…?

    I wonder if these people - when they are all alone in the wee small hours of the night, locked safely behind their steel-core doors with the deadbolts thrown and their plastic sheeting securely duct-taped, when they look at themselves in the mirror…

    Do they *truly* believe what they say…?

    One wonders.


  50. SP Biloxi Says:

    The koolaid is spiked again! Fox News wants to give a nobel peace prize to Petraeus? That’s like giving Fox News the Edward R. Murrows award for journalism! LOL!


  51. helenahandbasket Says:

    Michael: Why not google “Noble Peace Prize” and find out?
    Or are you just being a typical spittle-dribbling Rethug?


  52. bilbobaggins Says:

    I agree, Betrayus has done a great job bring saving the nation of Iraq. First he loosed 100,000 weapons on the country, probably in the hands of the insurgents, then he so successfully trained all those Iraqi police, and finally he brought another 30,000 Americans into Iraq to further the occupation. I’m sure the Iraqi’s are so thankful that they have General Betrayus.

    It’s pretty sad that the Right has to put forth a war-mongering, ideologically driven General as their version of someone who fosters peace in this world.

    But, then, for the Republicans up is down, black is white and war is peace.

    I do admit that I am enjoying watching them go apoplectic. It’s really quite amusing.


  53. Krazny Says:

    To be honest, I don’t know why they chose Gore, but kudos to Gore for winning. Too funny about Fox. Didn’t some right wing loony, try to say Limbaugh should have gotten the award a couple years ago?


  54. Fan of Man Says:

    bush equates killing for peace is like fu*king for vriginity!


  55. upside99 Says:

    Oh I see you’re right. Thats not spittle.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:27 pm

    UH HUH! You noticed that, too!


  56. helenahandbasket Says:

    If next November is a no brainer, does that mean that the right wing troglodites will vote for a Democrat? Talk about people without brains.


  57. Xisithrus Says:

    EH? FUks Snooze thinks war is peace? No wonder the freepers are so full of hate, they think that is love. Wouldn’t Jesus be proud of the freepers?
    NOT.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “What did he do to win it? What criteria was used?

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    What school did you go to again? And they taught you what, exactly? That multiple questions are wise? Why dont you know, genius? Why cant you google the answer?


  58. JT Says:

    Gore wins the “Peace” prize for works claimed to be based on science. I think the Nobel committee tacitly recognizes that the premises of his pseudo-science (never tested using the scientific method) would not hold up to the actual Nobel “Science” prize.

    Well done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!


  59. Badmoodman Says:

    Of course everyone can agree that Bremer, Franks and Tenet deserved their Medals of Freedom, right Righties? PFFFFT.


  60. Leftside Annie Says:

    Yeah. *MILLIONS* of people qualify for a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Good grief. Mikey - get a grip. You’re spraying everywhere.


  61. Xisithrus Says:

    That applies to millions of people! What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    Oh please, your angry because the Bush Freedom Operation was a lie.

    What specifically has Bush not done to not be awarded this prize?


  62. upside99 Says:

    It must be like sulphiric acid on this simpletons brain to see the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Al Gore, lol.

    Squirm little worm, squirm.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm

    But nothing like what he will feel when the Repugs have been reduced to a 40% majority in both Houses and have lost the WH.

    That post-election Repug-flushing hangover will be a Bi-atch!


  63. StratRat Says:

    What did he do to win it? What criteria was used?

    Comment by michael

    So rather than doing any research you come to TP and ask us what criteria was used? If you were truly interested in the criteria, you would seek out the information for yourself. You wouldn’t come to a progessive blog and ask us. So because you asked us, I believe you really don’t care what the criteria was used to choose Mr. Gore - or anybody else. You simply wanted to whine and moan that Mr. Gore was given the award. An award he deserved given his work around the planet in the last few years.

    Is your hatred of anything good and moral destroyed your inner compass? Can’t you at least relish the fact that an American won the award - you know as a patriotic citizen that shoudl make you proud of an Americans accomplishments and recognition.


  64. upside99 Says:

    #88 “40% majority” should have been “40% minority”. My Bad.


  65. Mark @ News Corpse Says:

    Petraeus isn’t the only spurned loser in the Nobel-stakes.

    Rush Limbaugh actually thinks that he was a nominee and now…

    Rush Limbaugh To Challenge Gore Peace Prize Win?

    “My lawyers at the Landmark Legal Foundation are looking into the possibility of filing an objection with the Nobel committee over the unethical tampering for this award that Al Gore is engaging in.”

    Rush made this comment earlier this year. Will he follow through?


  66. kasinca Says:

    FAUX NOIZ LOGIC is that Peace = War. Dumb nitwits.


  67. helenahandbasket Says:

    Michael; if your salary doubled, you must be a hedge fund trader, a drug company executive or a health insurance bigwig.

    See you in November, 2008, loser.


  68. Xisithrus Says:

    Really? Stock Market at a all time high! Unemployment at all time lows! My salary has almost doubled! The country is in ruins! Do you live in France?
    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    Actually, no. If you take inflation into account the stock market is not at a high. The dollar has been dropped by countries due to its falling value. I have never said the country was in ruins thats been a talking point of the right wing nuts for some time. The housing market is in ruins, the newest duty for police is patrolling empty homes for squattors. No I dont live in France, do you live in this space/time continuum?


  69. Xisithrus Says:

    You really don’t know the answer, do you?

    Comment by michael

    Do I?


  70. bilbobaggins Says:

    Its called the regular news. Where they deliver facts and such, instead of Republican party talking points.
    Comment by BARTLEBEE

    And this news would be where? The last time I looked, CBS, ABC and NBC sounded a lot like Fox. And they certainly don’t report the news. They have news in 30 second sound bites and they spend a lot more time covering OJ and Britney than they to world affairs.

    The only place where you can get real news these days is on the Internet. And even there you have to go to many sources to get a complete picture.


  71. kasinca Says:

    FAUX NOIZ never has an arguement or discussion…they attack the messenger. That is all they do…just like the republican party. Did Jimmy Carter lie about Cheney? No but he is bad for speaking out.


  72. Bad Eye Says:

    Yes, as if Fox “News” is more qualified than the Nobel Committee.

    Good grief they are looking more and more foolish by the day, if that’s possible.


  73. keepinon Says:

    War is peace, good is evil, hot is cold, Fox IS news, vote for me.


  74. helenahandbasket Says:

    Michael: You have a computer; use it - do some research and stop asking for help.
    What have you done to deserve anyone’s help?


  75. Candyce Says:

    I can only shake my head. An American won a most prestigious prize, and is actually being slammed for it. There was a time in our country when we could recognize our differences but also celebrate our collective pride in achievements. What has happened to us?


  76. Xisithrus Says:

    Xisithrus, the worms just trying to bait you. -BB

    Yeh, I know =) but he never succeeds in his questions.


  77. Bad Eye Says:

    And so I’ll ask again, what criteria was used to award algore the prize? Millions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do?

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    Google it, asswipe. It’s right there on the Nobel Institutes’s web site.


  78. APEC not OPEC Says:

    Really? Stock Market at a all time high! Unemployment at all time lows! My salary has almost doubled! The country is in ruins! Do you live in France?

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

    Do you think all 300+Americans can afford investing in the Stock Market? The unemployment numbers do not include people whose benefits have run out (they are not counted)and probably still unemployed and have applied for public assistence. Not to mention all the illegals standing around Home Depot or Dunkin Donuts waiting for day labor. And who cares how much money YOU make. Wake up


  79. helenahandbasket Says:

    104: Michael and his merry band of fascists happened to us.


  80. missmolly Says:

    Seriously, what a great fantasy - start your own tv news show. You know, one that actually reports THE NEWS!

    Comment by missy — October 12, 2007 @ 4:02 pm

    missmolly: Now there’s a novel concept! I think you and I could take that one places. Remember when we had “truth in reporting laws”??

    Back then, you’d be strung up by your balls for even making an honest mistake in news reporting. Now you’ll be lucky to find a shard of truth in anything Fox New spews.

    Comment by Veritas — October 12, 2007 @ 4:03 pm

    Nope — “missy” isn’t me. But I like the idea, though. I remember back in the 1970’s that journalism still had some principles. When Watergate was the story of the day, EVERYBODY was careful to get corroborating sources for what got reported, whether they were print reporters or broadcasters.

    Of course, back then television news consisted of “straight news” more than commentary. There were panel shows — Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc. — but even those tended to feature a balance of panelists.

    Nowadays, pundit shows get more airtime than straight news reporting, so much so that many people actually GET their news from these shows, and the line between news and opinion (or, more accurately, “news” and “inflammatory conjecture”) has gotten very blurry.

    Yes — a news show with actual news. News that has been obtained from investigative reporting and not just parroting press releases verbatim. News untainted by a corporate media boss with an agenda. It would be a breath of fresh air.


  81. Xisithrus Says:

    Millions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do? Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    Wow, he really is having a full blown hissy fit isn’t he…I wonder how he types with his face in the carpet, flailing his arms and kicking his legs and tears streaming from his eyes?


  82. helenahandbasket Says:

    Michael: What criteria was used to award you Asshat of the Year? There are millions of other Asshats, like rush, hannity, gibson, oreily, coulter, malkin, et al., who have poisoned our political process with hate, greed and arrogance, what specifically did you do?


  83. katy Says:

    ANY Comment by michael

    Report Abuse

    let’s see how fast it can disappear.


  84. Candyce Says:

    michael, why don’t you go kick a 12-yr-old or spit on a returning soldier? That’s what you guys are best at. This topic is a little too complex for you to grasp.


  85. katy Says:


    “…the Nobel committee tacitly recognizes that the premises of his pseudo-science…

    and there it is…

    attack the prize… attack that foreign group of do-gooders…

    attack attack attack…

    i think it all comes down to big funding by the oilCOs…
    they’ve got their slimy fingers in everything…


  86. Picklee Says:

    Micheal:

    Your question has already been answered by RemoveBush.

    THIS!

    http://www.afsc.org/ about/ nobel/ nominations.htm#criteria

    “Criteria of the AFSC Nobel Peace Prize Nominating Committee:

    1. The candidate’s commitment to nonviolent methods.
    2. The quality of the candidate as a person and of her/his sustained contribution to peace.
    3. The candidate’s work on issues of peace, justice, human dignity, and the integrity of the environment.
    4. The candidate’s possession of a world view and/or global impact as opposed to a parochial concern.”

    NUF SAID!

    Comment by RemoveBush — October 12, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

    Why do you continue to squabble? Seriously, if you think Al Gore didn’t deserve the honor that was bestowed upon him, then you can take it to Norway, my friend. There are no answers here for you.


  87. MarkD Says:

    “Yes he was, but your point about the failure is not CORRECT!

    The failure was NOT with the Manual, but with the fact that he did not even follow his own manual! His Theosis was about this very thing when he wrote the manual. His premise was that you needed 1 soldier for every 40 people in a country you invade in order to control it.

    He disregarded his own manual in order to suck Bush’s love juice.

    That is not a failure on the manual, it is a failure on the person who wrote it and then ignored his own writtings, which are still correct today by the way.

    –Remove Bush

    I stand corrected, sir. Thanks!!

    (See, rightards, that’s called “Being a Real Man” and admitting when you were wrong. Try it some time — gawd knows you all have had enough practice the past six years … )


  88. Leftside Annie Says:

    104 - Candyce - George Dubya happened to us.

    It’s a real crying shame, isn’t it?


  89. StratRat Says:

    And so I’ll ask again, what criteria was used to award algore the prize? Millions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do?

    Comment by michael

    I’ll write really slowly so you’ll get it: It is YOUR business to find this stuff out - not TP’s, and certainly not mine. You need to care enough to do your own work. You need to care enough to take time to discover things you would wish to know. If laziness is one of your attributes, you have it perfected IMHO. As I stated before, you truly do not care what criteria was used. It would not matter to you. Even if you did discover what you wished to know, limbaugh would simply tell you to forget it anyway. You value limbaughs words over most everything else.

    Why can’t you be proud of a fellow American winning a very important award? WATB is you ask me…


  90. Bad Eye Says:

    I can only shake my head. An American won a most prestigious prize, and is actually being slammed for it. There was a time in our country when we could recognize our differences but also celebrate our collective pride in achievements. What has happened to us?

    Comment by Candyce — October 12, 2007 @ 4:42 pm

    Because the Republicans are so damned full of themselves and want to be in control of everything that they cannot for one moment admit that someone else might be right about something. They cannot admit any wrongdoing; it is a sign of weakness. I go through the very same damn thing from time to time with a family member who is the epitome of Republicanism. She will argue with me over an issue, whether simple or complicated, and I can show her indisputable proof from the experts that back up my opinion, and she still will not concede. There have also been times where she has been forced to admit a mistake, while at the same time she will not accept responsibility for it nor offer any apology; instead she just laughs it off. I can only describe it as a combination of a lack of logic and a plethora of ignorance.


  91. Buckie Boy Says:

    By that reasoning shouldn’t GW666 get the peace prize for putting to peace 600 thousand Iraqi’s and 4 thousand of our soldiers?
    Or do they think it said PIECE prize as in blowing to Pieces thousands of Iraqi’s and our soldiers?
    Just an honest mistake - Foley (D)

    Buck Fush


  92. bilbobaggins Says:

    That applies to millions of people! What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?
    Comment by michael

    Look it up your self Right Wing Loon. We are not here to answer your inane questions or to do your homework for you. If you want an answer to your question, find it yourself.


  93. Xisithrus Says:

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:54 pm

    michael, of course the globe is warming. Are you doubting the ice age ever happened?


  94. Picklee Says:

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 4:55 pm

    Honestly.


  95. helenahandbasket Says:

    michael thinks Global Warming is junk science. What he didn’t tell you is that the earth is flat, 6000 years old and that gravity is only a theory.


  96. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    The predictably sad thing about this Faux News smear campaign is, as some have pointed out, a former Vice-President of the US was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    But because he was a Democratic Vice-President, conservatives cannot feel pride in their own country and cheer the award.

    Sad. Really sad.


  97. Picklee Says:

    You’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

    You’re question was already answered. The fact that you couldn’t go get it yourself, says something about your own journalism.


  98. RUCerious Says:

    Ummmm…They actually don’t give peace prizes to warmongering political military officer types.

    Last I looked Mushareff didn’t get one either.


  99. Xisithrus Says:

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    Okay michael, here is a challenge, prove our dimensional reality, If you do you get 125 kajillion dollars.


  100. bilbobaggins Says:

    To be honest, I don’t know why they chose Gore, but kudos to Gore for winning. Too funny about Fox. Didn’t some right wing loony, try to say Limbaugh should have gotten the award a couple years ago?
    Comment by Krazny

    You don’t know why they chose Gore, and you call yourself a liberal. Right.


  101. helenahandbasket Says:

    Michael: What did you do to win the Asshat of the Year award? Your here because you CANT answer my question.


  102. Xisithrus Says:

    You’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!
    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    I am here for you and your pointlessly endless questions?

    Prove it?


  103. Krazny Says:

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

    Micheal your question has been answered several times. People have not only posted the criteria for the Nobel peace prize, but also have answered the question of why Gore. Please I realize you do this to disrupt, and you aren’t interested in actual debate, but when your question is answered you should move on to something new.


  104. Picklee Says:

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

    Is this not double-speak at it’s finest? Does this News Agency not sum up conservative politics in a single sentence?


  105. Neeko Says:

    An Army general that’s currently overseeing a combat operation should be given the Nobel Peace Prize??

    What the fk is that guy smoking?

    Even if this war was a just one, even if this war was on the level of an effort like stopping Hitler, how the could anyone rationally think to give a PEACE prize to a GENERAL??!!

    Alfred Nobel was the inventor of dynamite, an explosive. Nobel feared that the explosive would be used to harm human beings.

    He created the peace prize in an effort to award people that worked to better humanity.

    How the hell is it logical to give this award to a person that oversees the use of EXPLOSIVES that are intended to kill HUMAN BEINGS?

    Talk about an authoritarian crackhead!!


  106. Xisithrus Says:

    You’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!
    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    And whats/wheres your science to back this up?


  107. dim wit Says:

    Sad. Really sad.

    Comment by ralph the wonder llama — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

    It is sad. Fox should be recognizing their fellow American for his peaceful work around the world. But all they can muster is negativity and hate.

    A sad group indeed.


  108. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    You’re here because you CAN’T answer my question!

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

    Michal, you’re really not showing much brainpower here.

    Your question “Why can’t anyone tell me what criteria was used to award algore the prize?” has been answered several times (handing you a fish) and you’ve also been instructed where you can find the answer yourself (teaching you HOW to fish). You’ve ignored all attempts at both strategies and continue to insist that we here owe you an answer that you haven’t gotten.

    Also, your childish insistence on spelling the name of the former Vice-President and now Nobel Laureate in all lower case and as one word demonstrates an infantile reaction to information you don’t like. Congratulations.


  109. Wayne Says:

    Michael: Why not google “Noble Peace Prize” and find out?
    Or are you just being a typical spittle-dribbling Rethug?
    Comment by helenahandbasket — October 12, 2007 @ 4:31 pm

    Actually he is the typical spittle-dribbling Rethug.


  110. bilbobaggins Says:

    Gore wins the “Peace” prize for works claimed to be based on science. I think the Nobel committee tacitly recognizes that the premises of his pseudo-science (never tested using the scientific method) would not hold up to the actual Nobel “Science” prize.
    Well done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!
    Comment by JT

    Our new Right Wing Loon JT wants us to think that Global Warming is not based on science. I’m sure the thousands of famous scientists around the world would be surprised to hear about that. Then the Loon suggests that Gore can’t win the Prize for Science because Global Warming is not truly scientific. Well, loon, Gore would not win the prize for science because he is not a scientist. He is a humanitarian who is speaking to the world about the dangers to our planet by Global Warming.

    God this is so much fun watching these Right Wing Loons lose it over the awarding of the prize. It is driving them all bat-shit insane!


  111. Bad Eye Says:

    “Criteria of the AFSC Nobel Peace Prize Nominating Committee:

    1. The candidate’s commitment to nonviolent methods.
    2. The quality of the candidate as a person and of her/his sustained contribution to peace.
    3. The candidate’s work on issues of peace, justice, human dignity, and the integrity of the environment.
    4. The candidate’s possession of a world view and/or global impact as opposed to a parochial concern.”

    NUF SAID!

    Comment by RemoveBush — October 12, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

    It’s no wonder Bush didn’t win after being nominated in 2002!


  112. hellinabucket Says:

    the caveat at junkscience is for humans being directly related to catostrophic global warming. There will be nay sayers while they are rolling up their pant legs.

    Michael, there’s been a $10,000 challenge for longer requesting confirmation that Bush served in Alabama. No takers for years now. Why do you think that is? My guess is that Bush was a phony soldier.


  113. wijg Says:

    Wow! The conservatives are frothing today!

    Gore ‘08!


  114. bilbobaggins Says:

    Michael; if your salary doubled, you must be a hedge fund trader, a drug company executive or a health insurance bigwig.
    See you in November, 2008, loser.
    Comment by helenahandbasket

    He’s more likely to be a drug dealer than any company executive. Someone with an IQ in the room temperature range rarely makes it to an executive rank.


  115. John Kerry Says:

    So…how can Gore win a PEACE prize???

    Can anyone explain????


  116. Xisithrus Says:

    It is driving them all bat-shit insane!

    Comment by bilbobaggins — October 12, 2007

    I absolutely disagree with that statement sir!!!

    Its making them more Bat crap crazy.

    After all they did have to reinvent Jesus, the prince of peace, to turn him into the king of war, I mean, how else could Petraeus be awarded the peace prize?

    Orwellian Jesus, who would have ever thunk it?


  117. missmolly Says:

    “That applies to millions of people! What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 4:31 pm”

    Buzz off……

    YOU ALREADY KNOW, as I showed you!

    It was in the CRITIERIA I posted……..

    Man YOU are DENSE!

    Comment by RemoveBush — October 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm

    Uh — you’re letting the troll get to you. This is michael’s M.O. — he can’t debate intelligently, so he gets a charge out of being annoying instead. His method of arguing is to repeatedly ask questions (my friend has a three-year old who does the same thing). It doesn’t matter if you fall into his trap and answer them — he will continue to ask the same ones. Or he will respond to your answer with an even dumber one.

    Look at the list of questions michael has put forth on this thread alone and ask yourself if this guy is worth your time:

    “And which one was used to justify algore being chosen?”
    “Then how do you learn the truth?”
    “What did he do to win it? What criteria was used?”
    “Why can no one tell me the criteria used to award your hero algore the prize?”
    “What specifically did algore do to be awarded this prize?”
    “And why can’t you give me the answer? Maybe you don ‘t know?”
    “You really don’t know the answer, do you?”
    “And so I’ll ask again, what criteria was used to award algore the prize? Millions of others have done much work benefiting the world, what specifically did algore do?”

    Now, if michael really wanted to make the point of “I don’t think Al Gore is deserving of the Peace Prize because…” or “There are many other people in this world (names inserted here) who are more worthy of the prize than Al Gore”, he could have posted a coherent piece outlining his position. (He would have scored even more points if he realized that “Al Gore” is two words, and that “criteria” is plural, not singular.) He could have done some research on his own to bolster his arguments.

    Instead, he challenges with the same questions relentlessly, even after they are answered, and even when it’s obvious he doesn’t really care about the answers. He thinks that he is making others look bad by his questions, but in reality he’s just like a whiny annoying little brother whose job it is to irritate others until they reach their limit and smack him a good one.

    This troll isn’t worth your time or energy.


  118. helenahandbasket Says:

    Asshat of the Year (you all know who I’m referring to): I’ll give you
    $ 125,000.00 to let me know how you got your head so far up your ass.


  119. Xisithrus Says:

    Come on, it’s easy money!
    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007

    Jesus wasn’t interested in money, nor am I.


  120. Picklee Says:

    I cannot even fathom the bias that such an entry would receive by this particular website.

    Conservatives make website,
    Conservatives make contest,
    Conservatives offer prize,
    Conservatives judge entries.

    Hm. Let me ask you Michael, what are your values concerning our environment?

    I am not being facetious or proposing new debate, just making sure we’re on the same page here.


  121. helenahandbasket Says:

    Asshat of the year: No one has said that AL GORE is a scientist. But you remain, “Asshat of the Year”.


  122. Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver Says:

    It’s getting increasingly difficult to tell the difference between Fox News and a little fly buzzing here and there around the room. Both are just about equally irrelevant to the important issues in the world today.


  123. Xisithrus Says:

    LMAO, the conservatives want proof of global warming?

    Did it ever occur to you michael that the biblical flood may heve been related to global warming?

    Now, give me the 125k.


  124. helenahandbasket Says:

    168: I’d agree if the fly was a blood-sucking, disease spreading, parasite.
    Now that’s a more accurate comparison to fox news.


  125. Picklee Says:

    Comment by Xisithrus — October 12, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

    Laughing. my. effing. ass. off.


  126. Picklee Says:

    Comment by helenahandbasket — October 12, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

    That would commonly be referred to as a skeeter down south.


  127. Xisithrus Says:

    Comment by Picklee — October 12, 2007

    Heh. 8^B


  128. Bad Eye Says:

    Well done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!

    Comment by JT

    Too bad Bush didn’t win the award. He would have made a fine addition to that list you provided.


  129. helenahandbasket Says:

    175: His new moniker is: Asshat of Year.


  130. Lt. Colonel Fred Seamon Says:

    I’m a retired Army officer. Although one of the reasons I made the military my career was because I believe that a strong military can prevent wars, i would never consider recommending a military officer for the Noble Prize, with one exception:

    Anyone who led a force that prevented genocide, as General Wesley Clark did in Kosovo, in spite of opposition from the Republicans and many in the Pentagon, deserves a Nobel Prize.


  131. helenahandbasket Says:

    By the way, when Asshat of Year uses “algore”, he is using another of rush’s insults.
    Is it 2009 yet?


  132. Neeko Says:

    You actually believe the propaganda from junkscience.com?? Man you are pathetic.

    I researched that hack Steven Milloy for a paper last year. (He’s the person that runs that site, did you know that?)

    Milloy has been criticized by other journalists because of the corporate entities that have funded his various operations. If an audience member was willing to question Milloy’s information, they could find a fair amount of articles that question his motives. As he has accepted money and written articles favoring or demonizing various positions, Milloy’s journalistic ethics have been questioned. In the journalistic community, it is severely frowned upon to accept money for writing articles that either support or criticize an issue (3).


  133. Bob Says:

    Is there any doubt how unfair and (mentally) unbalanced fox “news” is? Zero credibility? They’re into negative cred numbers now. I am surprised they aren’t nominating Numbnuts GW: Iraq is so peaceful after four plus years of occupation that the whole MidEast is now a democracy.

    They’d be first to call for Jesus’ crucifixion, then quickly blame ‘liberals’ for his death.
    Crazy like a rabid, strung-out, junkie lunatic fox.


  134. bilbobaggins Says:

    His method of arguing is to repeatedly ask questions (my friend has a three-year old who does the same thing). It doesn’t matter if you fall into his trap and answer them — he will continue to ask the same ones. Or he will respond to your answer with an even dumber one.

    Every time I read a post by michael, that’s what comes to mind. A three year old whining “but why mommy” 100 times in an hour.


  135. hellinabucket Says:

    Corner michael? Didn’t you read the first part of my post? Global warming exists. To what extent does man have to do with that will be debated for years. Is man responsible for the additional methane produced by the animals we raise for slaughter?

    couldn’t answer my question though could you?


  136. Krazny Says:

    we’ll be drawing lines in the country soon, and fight the civil war all over again. (sic)

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:17 pm

    In all honesty, if they took Dixie, and Bush and the debt run up by their gods, Reagan and Bush, I would be willing to let them go. I live in Wasthington state, and frankly if we Oregon, and California formed our own republic. We would do fine.


  137. Wayne Says:

    Do you usually change the subject when you are backed into a corner?

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

    Why do you run off when your lies are pointed out?

    Now that you are here, answer why you, a self claimed Navy veteran did not know what the fsck an NEC is?

    I will ask you every time I see you post.


  138. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    Is your hatred of anything good and moral destroyed your inner compass? Can’t you at least relish the fact that an American won the award - you know as a patriotic citizen that shoudl make you proud of an Americans accomplishments and recognition.

    Comment by StratRat — October 12, 2007 @ 4:37 pm

    Michael’s answer to the first question would be, “Yes, obviously.” Your second question gives him way too much credit. This guy is no patriotic American citizen. He is, however, very loyal to the Republican party and Bush. He’s a Brownshirter, and the Reichstag would have loved him.


  139. Arne Langsetmo Says:

    LIPSKY: I can’t think of anything more directly responsive to the idealism of the Nobel Peace Prize itself than the kinds of liberation and peacekeeping that our G.I. Joe and G.I. Jane has had as a mission since World War II.

    Lipsky hasn’t the slightest idea what inspired Alfred Nobel to institute his prizes, does he? Oh, yeah, stoopid question, he’s a Republican….

    Really, you RW foamers, yak it up with this idea that soldiers in aggressive wars of choice that descend into bloodbaths with hundreds of thousands in casualties is advancing “peace”. That’s enough for even the folks that haven’t yet read Orwell to twig to what evil retards you are….

    Cheers,


  140. Picklee Says:

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:26 pm

    True, but he did it for human dignity.


  141. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    “we’re not scientists

    Comment by BARTLEBEE”

    And neither is algore!

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 5:10 pm

    That explains why they didn’t award him one of the SCIENCE prizes.

    See the difference?

    No, I didn’t think you would.


  142. missmolly Says:

    Well done Gore, you have joined other thugs, murders, and terrorists in the Nobel’s rogue gallery of winners!

    Comment by JT — October 12, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

    Thugs, murderers, and terrorists like Muhammed Yunus, Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, Jody Williams, Nelson Mandela, Lech Walesa, Desmond Tutu, Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King, and Albert Schweitzer?


  143. StratRat Says:

    I’m a retired Army officer. Although one of the reasons I made the military my career was because I believe that a strong military can prevent wars, i would never consider recommending a military officer for the Noble Prize, with one exception:

    Anyone who led a force that prevented genocide, as General Wesley Clark did in Kosovo, in spite of opposition from the Republicans and many in the Pentagon, deserves a Nobel Prize.

    Comment by Lt. Colonel Fred Seamon

    Agreed. I also thank you for your service to this country.


  144. StratRat Says:

    Does Asshat actually think anyones interested in his “links”?

    Comment by BARTLEBEE

    Only if the “links” make up a chain we can weigh him down with. I live near the ocean, maybe we can throw him off a pier.


  145. helenahandbasket Says:

    198: Why waste a perfectly good chain. Anyway, I think Asshat has left the building, because the noxious odors emanating from my computer are starting to clear up.


  146. StratRat Says:

    Anyway, I think Asshat has left the building, because the noxious odors emanating from my computer are starting to clear up.

    Comment by helenahandbasket

    I thought the air cleared out rather quickly.


  147. Picklee Says:

    […] Republicans today like killers.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 12, 2007 @ 5:37 pm

    I must correct you here. Not just today, it’s ever since they’ve been conservative. It’s in their blood.


  148. Picklee Says:

    I must also add, quite off topic, but relevant nonetheless, that Bush does not have a son.

    He has no heir, people!

    The Bush reign will end, ‘08.


  149. willyloman Says:

    Jenna counts as a son. See how thick her arms are?

    Please read “The Obvious Connections…” at :

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/ 2007/ 10/ 12/ the-obvious-connections-are-the-ones-we-miss/

    About CFR connection between Sept. 11th 1973 Chile and Sept. 11th 2001 New York City.


  150. willyloman Says:

    As far as Petraeus is concerned, read “Culture of Lies…” at

    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/ 2007/ 10/ 09/ culture-of-lies-petraeus-at-it-again/

    I know it’s blog whoring, I have no shame.


  151. Keith Says:

    Pentagon study last year said there will be wars in future due to global warming. People will be fighting for land, food, and water. Many millions of refugees will be created. If we prevent/lessen global warming, then that would be making progress for peace. Neocons hate that.


  152. Bad Eye Says:

    Guys, sorry to break in here, but I just saw this on The Raw Story. Apparently the Senate is preparing to give Bush the telco immunity he desires in the FISA law update:

    President Bush vowed Wednesday not to sign a bill that doesn’t spare prosecution for the telecommunications industry, and House Democratic leaders have indicated they may grant immunity if Bush’s administration agrees to detail the companies’ involvement in the wiretapping program.

    Excuse me, but what the hell good is it going to do to have the telco’s involvement in the wiretapping program revealed if nothing can be done about it? This is like a driver of a car slamming into another one and killing the occupants, and then saying, well, I’ll admit that I was driving drunk if you grant me immunity from prosecution.

    I think I did read on crooksandliars that states can still go forward with lawsuits against the telcos, because they do not have to follow federal guidelines. Thus, any immunity granted by the federal government does not apply in the states.

    There’s more at Firedoglake.


  153. missmolly Says:

    Comment by Picklee — October 12, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

    Unless Jenna or Barbara decides to run. I’m sure either one of them has the same credentials as their father.


  154. Keith Says:

    StratRat, don’t stay out too late. Remember what your wife said.


  155. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    I just clicked on “Michael’s’” link. It’s Ann Coulter’s website.


  156. upside99 Says:

    I just clicked on “Michael’s’” link. It’s Ann Coulter’s website.

    Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — October 12, 2007 @ 5:59 pm

    OMG!! I wonder if tranny anny’s alter-ego is michael. That would explain a LOT!!


  157. Max-1 Says:

    .

    American Pravda, FOX, propagandizing again.

    .


  158. Max-1 Says:

    .

    Thou Shalt NOT KILL!

    Making peace = NOT KILLING!

    .


  159. Give me back my country Says:

    FOX News. ha ha You can get more truthfull information from Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck !


  160. bob lahblah Says:

    Are you going to enter the contest on http://www.junkscience.com ? Come on, it’s easy money!

    Comment by michael — October 12, 2007 @ 5:09 pm

    Hey MichaelAnn,

    I’ll tell you what: I’ll enter the contest if you make yourself eligible for a Darwin Award. It’s easy everlasting fame!

    http://darwinawards.com/darwin/


  161. upside99 Says:

    Comment by bob lahblah — October 12, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

    Michael/Tranny Anny is long gone. Has to get that little black cocktail dress cleaned of all that splooged DNA from last night. He/she has a big date with some Repugs tonight.


  162. shadow7 Says:

    Oh, but war IS peace, and up is down, and right is wrong. The NOBEL BOOBY PRIZE has been announced as well….. and guess who won:

    AND THE NOBLE BOOBY PRIZE GOES TO….GEORGE W. BUSH!

    Read about it here: http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=665

    http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=665


  163. sketchy41 Says:

    LIPSKY: I say Gen. Petraeus, not Al Gore.

    Straight out of the mouth of the seriously fatally flawed, commonly found on the seriously fatally flawed ‘noose channel’.


  164. upside99 Says:

    Go to Yahoo News and see the story just posted about what Gen. Sanchez said about Iraq!

    He calls it a nightmare and a total f@ckup and the “surge” was just a last-ditch effort to salvage the mistake.

    Looks like the worms are turning …….. and the Repugs are getting their asses eaten.


  165. cd Says:

    To suggest give a General who currently commands an army fighting a war is so bat shit crazy it sounds like a stunt the USSR would have tried to pull.


  166. dono Says:

    why not award the peace prize to Dick Cheney?


  167. republicans hate facts Says:

    why not award the peace prize to Dick Cheney?
    Comment by dono — October 12, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

    Well for the record, if it were a ‘piece’ prize, Dick would win, considering what a ‘piece’ of $*@# he is!


  168. FunMe Says:

    BETRAYUS

    BETRAYUS

    BETRAYUS

    Peace awards are NEVER given to phony LYING generals who BETRAY US!


  169. pbg Says:

    Here’s a real answer, OK?
    the deliberations of the Nobel Committee are secret and private. And no, outside of their stated reasons they do not and never have elaborated on the process and their criteria.
    There has to be a certain amount of arbitrariness to the decisiions. Witness the prize I was almost as happy over–the Nobel Prize for Literature to Doris Lessing.
    Why this year? There’s no way of knowing. It’s not the National Book Award: it’s for a body of work, not what you did lately. AFAIK, Lessing has been relatively quiet lately.
    Scientists get awards for research they did years ago. Why they chose this eminent scientist over that eminent scientist this year is pretty impenetrable.
    The Peace Prize is more current and more topical–but not always: giving the Peace Preace Prize to the International Red Cross in 1963, Amnesty International 1n 1977 and Doctors Without Borders in 1999 were not for specific acts.
    And BTW, the Peace Prize was given in 2004 to Wangari Maathai, an ecological activist. So there’s a precedent.
    So Al Gore joins Martin Lutyer King Jr. and Jimmy Carter, yes, and Henry Kisinger in the compay of winners. It’s just the opinions of some guys in Norway, who after all think ‘j’ is a vowel.
    But they’re answerable to no one. And they d