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	<title>Comments on: Fox News: Gore&#8217;s Never &#8216;Actually Done Something For Peace;&#8217; Give Petraeus The Prize</title>
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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, Al Gore has done nothing to spread peace. All he has done in recent years is complain about Global Warming. He complains about increasing carbon emissions in the U.S. when we have reduced carbon emissions. The Third World is the area with rising carbon emissions, so if he wants to stop it, he can just go down to Venezuela and complain to Chavez himself. In the U.S. however, we have more efficient cars, cleaner power, and more efficient appliances. Now, on to General Petraeus. You say that war is not peace, which is true. War and peace are in fact opposites, but sometimes one can&#039;t exist without the other. I am, of course, referring to the terrorist problems in Iraq. If we cut and run now, it will provide them with a victory that will allow them to say, &quot;Hey, look, America can be beaten.&quot; New soldiers will flock to their ranks and instead of fighting the war in Iraq, we&#039;ll be fighting the war in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, or Atlanta. It is often said, and misunderstood, that we&#039;re fighting over there so we don&#039;t have to fight over here, but very few understand the meaning of that. These terrorists are not people you can reason with, they want the total complete destruction of America and all it stands for. We are fighting in the Middle East to show we are not afraid and we won&#039;t stop until the job is done. If we cut and run now, then the terrorists will have an advantage. They will be the first to be able to say they defeated not only America, but also America&#039;s principles. Even in Vietnam when we retreated, we did not give up on freedom, but retreating now means retreating from the world. Iraq is not an isolated war as fought in the past. The war in Iraq has combatants from all over the Middle East. Retreating from Iraq would mean retreating from the entire region. This would allow the extremists to recoup and rebuild. It will give them training and recruiting grounds in the most volatile area of the world. Plus, retreating from Iraq would make us seem weak, spurring on attacks from organizations currently afraid to fight us. The U.S. has the strongest military on the planet, but even it cannot stop terrorism if it is allowed to spread. We can defeat one, two, or three terrorist countries, maybe even all of them, but that can&#039;t happen if we don&#039;t take the fight to them. Right now, we have a bunch of groups that want us dead. If we show weakness by withdrawing from Iraq, them we will have one massive group that wants us dead. Even though the fragmented groups haven&#039;t taken us down, the large group they would form if we surrendered in Iraq could. This is why we need to stay in Iraq, and this is why anyone, such as General Petraeus, who is trying to stop these terrorists is in fact trying to spread peace, because, as was stated before, war is not peace, and as long as these terrorist groups go unchallenged, there will be war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Al Gore has done nothing to spread peace. All he has done in recent years is complain about Global Warming. He complains about increasing carbon emissions in the U.S. when we have reduced carbon emissions. The Third World is the area with rising carbon emissions, so if he wants to stop it, he can just go down to Venezuela and complain to Chavez himself. In the U.S. however, we have more efficient cars, cleaner power, and more efficient appliances. Now, on to General Petraeus. You say that war is not peace, which is true. War and peace are in fact opposites, but sometimes one can&#8217;t exist without the other. I am, of course, referring to the terrorist problems in Iraq. If we cut and run now, it will provide them with a victory that will allow them to say, &#8220;Hey, look, America can be beaten.&#8221; New soldiers will flock to their ranks and instead of fighting the war in Iraq, we&#8217;ll be fighting the war in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, or Atlanta. It is often said, and misunderstood, that we&#8217;re fighting over there so we don&#8217;t have to fight over here, but very few understand the meaning of that. These terrorists are not people you can reason with, they want the total complete destruction of America and all it stands for. We are fighting in the Middle East to show we are not afraid and we won&#8217;t stop until the job is done. If we cut and run now, then the terrorists will have an advantage. They will be the first to be able to say they defeated not only America, but also America&#8217;s principles. Even in Vietnam when we retreated, we did not give up on freedom, but retreating now means retreating from the world. Iraq is not an isolated war as fought in the past. The war in Iraq has combatants from all over the Middle East. Retreating from Iraq would mean retreating from the entire region. This would allow the extremists to recoup and rebuild. It will give them training and recruiting grounds in the most volatile area of the world. Plus, retreating from Iraq would make us seem weak, spurring on attacks from organizations currently afraid to fight us. The U.S. has the strongest military on the planet, but even it cannot stop terrorism if it is allowed to spread. We can defeat one, two, or three terrorist countries, maybe even all of them, but that can&#8217;t happen if we don&#8217;t take the fight to them. Right now, we have a bunch of groups that want us dead. If we show weakness by withdrawing from Iraq, them we will have one massive group that wants us dead. Even though the fragmented groups haven&#8217;t taken us down, the large group they would form if we surrendered in Iraq could. This is why we need to stay in Iraq, and this is why anyone, such as General Petraeus, who is trying to stop these terrorists is in fact trying to spread peace, because, as was stated before, war is not peace, and as long as these terrorist groups go unchallenged, there will be war.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4125571', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RobLACal.</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/12/gore-petraeus-fox/comment-page-6/#comment-4121963</link>
		<dc:creator>RobLACal.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I disagree that Petraeus deserve the Nobel over Gore. I hope that doesnâ€™t make me a phony American.&quot;

  Of course you do , you are a stupid democrat. Many years from now when it finally sinks in , remember who told you so.

  And lefty crybaby you maggot scum,  George W Bush &quot;IS&quot; the President of the United States. Now go change your diaper little punk ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I disagree that Petraeus deserve the Nobel over Gore. I hope that doesnâ€™t make me a phony American.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Of course you do , you are a stupid democrat. Many years from now when it finally sinks in , remember who told you so.</p>
<p>  And lefty crybaby you maggot scum,  George W Bush &#8220;IS&#8221; the President of the United States. Now go change your diaper little punk ass.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4121963', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RobLACal.</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/12/gore-petraeus-fox/comment-page-6/#comment-4121952</link>
		<dc:creator>RobLACal.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments by BARTLEBEE:

  All comments by Bartlebee show the desperation of a party of criminal frauds. You are such a joke , the exact opposite is true.  The fact is that democrats are the ones who are guilty of what you accused Republicans of. 

   Say hello to the criminal democrat party of perpetual fraud.   It&#039;s because of infantile tantrum throwing losers like you that I no longer vote democrat.  Thanks a million stupid bed wetter.

  I am glad to see the party of traitors and frauds have been reduced to a bunch of sniveling lying nitwits. It&#039;s time to rid this Country of Un-American democrat trash.</description>
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<p>  All comments by Bartlebee show the desperation of a party of criminal frauds. You are such a joke , the exact opposite is true.  The fact is that democrats are the ones who are guilty of what you accused Republicans of. </p>
<p>   Say hello to the criminal democrat party of perpetual fraud.   It&#8217;s because of infantile tantrum throwing losers like you that I no longer vote democrat.  Thanks a million stupid bed wetter.</p>
<p>  I am glad to see the party of traitors and frauds have been reduced to a bunch of sniveling lying nitwits. It&#8217;s time to rid this Country of Un-American democrat trash.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4121952', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: andy42302</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy42302</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that Petraeus deserve the Nobel over Gore. I hope that doesn&#039;t make me a phony American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that Petraeus deserve the Nobel over Gore. I hope that doesn&#8217;t make me a phony American.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4119107', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chocolate Jesus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/12/gore-petraeus-fox/comment-page-6/#comment-4118684</link>
		<dc:creator>Chocolate Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;First off, I donâ€™t accept that there is consensus on global warming, 

You don&#039;t accept that that the words &quot;accounting&quot; and &quot;accoutability&quot; have two totally different meanings even though I&#039;ve plainly displayed the dictionary defintion for each. So what?

&gt;http://www.junkscience.com/

Hahahahaha.  Ah muckdogs favorite site. The guy repsonsible for this site has made a few other &quot;interesting&quot; assertions:

Cigarette smoke isnt bad for you.

If the world trade center had more asbestos in it, it wouldnt have collapsed.

Excuse us if we dont want to get our scientific evidence from people who get paid thousands of dollars an hour in consulting fees from the oil industry..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;First off, I donâ€™t accept that there is consensus on global warming, </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t accept that that the words &#8220;accounting&#8221; and &#8220;accoutability&#8221; have two totally different meanings even though I&#8217;ve plainly displayed the dictionary defintion for each. So what?</p>
<p>&gt;http://www.junkscience.com/</p>
<p>Hahahahaha.  Ah muckdogs favorite site. The guy repsonsible for this site has made a few other &#8220;interesting&#8221; assertions:</p>
<p>Cigarette smoke isnt bad for you.</p>
<p>If the world trade center had more asbestos in it, it wouldnt have collapsed.</p>
<p>Excuse us if we dont want to get our scientific evidence from people who get paid thousands of dollars an hour in consulting fees from the oil industry..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118684', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But some folks feel he is a hypocritical fraud, and felt this way prior to his Academy Award and Nobel Peace Prize:&quot;

yes, bighole, and some folks think that Bush is president. No accounting for the vast, deep stupidity of the right. thanks for pointing out how stupid you are, though. I might have forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But some folks feel he is a hypocritical fraud, and felt this way prior to his Academy Award and Nobel Peace Prize:&#8221;</p>
<p>yes, bighole, and some folks think that Bush is president. No accounting for the vast, deep stupidity of the right. thanks for pointing out how stupid you are, though. I might have forgotten.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118640', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that just doesnâ€™t pass the most basic logic test.

Comment by Vinnie â€” October 13, 2007 @ 12:27 pm

Bigfoot is a coward and a liar, so everything he says is suspect. I wager that his little &quot;green&quot; story is an outright lie as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that just doesnâ€™t pass the most basic logic test.</p>
<p>Comment by Vinnie â€” October 13, 2007 @ 12:27 pm</p>
<p>Bigfoot is a coward and a liar, so everything he says is suspect. I wager that his little &#8220;green&#8221; story is an outright lie as well.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118630', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remember ,Vinnie- it&#039;s just because righties have some cognitive deficits that cause them to think that way. they also can&#039;t reliably tell &quot;M&quot;&#039;s from &quot;W&quot;&#039;s, and forget about higher concepts like cause and effect. best just to chuckle to yourself, avoid making eye contact, and leave them on the corner with their cardboard signs, ranting to the wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember ,Vinnie- it&#8217;s just because righties have some cognitive deficits that cause them to think that way. they also can&#8217;t reliably tell &#8220;M&#8221;&#8217;s from &#8220;W&#8221;&#8217;s, and forget about higher concepts like cause and effect. best just to chuckle to yourself, avoid making eye contact, and leave them on the corner with their cardboard signs, ranting to the wind.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118628', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigfoot trots out the typical right-wing talking point about scientists predicting a cooling back in the seventies.  First, there was never scientific consensus nor empirical evidence, as there is today with global warming.  Secondly, part of the beauty of science is that it is self-correcting.  If one theory, even a well-established one, is challenged by enough subsequent research, then the theory could be modified or changed altogether.

To boil down this argument to its simpliest terms - Some scientists predicted in the 1970&#039;s that man&#039;s activities would lead to a global cooling effect.  Thus, anyone suggesting today that man&#039;s activities will lead to a warming effect must be wrong.  Sorry, that just doesn&#039;t pass the most basic logic test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigfoot trots out the typical right-wing talking point about scientists predicting a cooling back in the seventies.  First, there was never scientific consensus nor empirical evidence, as there is today with global warming.  Secondly, part of the beauty of science is that it is self-correcting.  If one theory, even a well-established one, is challenged by enough subsequent research, then the theory could be modified or changed altogether.</p>
<p>To boil down this argument to its simpliest terms &#8211; Some scientists predicted in the 1970&#8217;s that man&#8217;s activities would lead to a global cooling effect.  Thus, anyone suggesting today that man&#8217;s activities will lead to a warming effect must be wrong.  Sorry, that just doesn&#8217;t pass the most basic logic test.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118590', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I donâ€™t accept that there is consensus on global warming, which should have been apparent by now.

Secondly, I have no problem with Exxon supporting their business, which is oil.  ...

So, in short, my answer is: â€œYes.â€

Comment by O. Bigfoot â€” October 13, 2007 @ 11:56 am

If there&#039;s no consensus, let&#039;s hear the scientific organizations that support your side.  I provided numerous ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS that take my side.  You provided a link to articles written by two INDIVIDUALS.

You have the right to your own opinion.  You can even doubt evolution if you want.  You should just be open enough to admit that you are going against established scientific consensus.  IMHO, it&#039;s pretty arrogant to suggest that you&#039;re right but the scientific community, the broad group of experts in the matter, are wrong.  That&#039;s exactly what you are implying.

Exxon is clearly more concerned with their short-term profits than with the future of the planet we inhabit.  You don&#039;t have a problem with that.  I do.

I believe in a free flow of information where research is done for the sole purpose of getting the right answer - the true intent of the scientific method.  You think that it&#039;s ok that those with the most money can submit &quot;research&quot; that distorts the real situation.  That is not science.  It is propoganda!

BTW, your &quot;rest of the country&quot; comment implies that we are in the minority.  There have been many polls that show a majority of people in this country think our government is not doing enough to combat global warming.  In fact, YOU are in the minority on this.  Al Gore is responsible for educating a lot of people on this and for that I thank him.

As to be expected, we hear the line about the huge danger in trying to solve this problem.  What possible damage could there be in doing simple things like driving more fuel-efficient vehicles and investing more money in alternative energy sources?

Again as to be expected, this global warming denier slips into the &quot;out of my control&quot; line of thinking which implies that we are powerless to do anything about it anyway.  He goes on about his personal life style which is not at all the issue here.  The issue is what kinds of decisions are made by our government at the much larger level.  Indeed, there are many, many things that the Bush administration could have done to help ameliorate this problem.  They have been completely negligent in this regard which is why Al Gore, and none of the Republicans that served under Bush won the Nobel peace prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I donâ€™t accept that there is consensus on global warming, which should have been apparent by now.</p>
<p>Secondly, I have no problem with Exxon supporting their business, which is oil.  &#8230;</p>
<p>So, in short, my answer is: â€œYes.â€</p>
<p>Comment by O. Bigfoot â€” October 13, 2007 @ 11:56 am</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s no consensus, let&#8217;s hear the scientific organizations that support your side.  I provided numerous ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS that take my side.  You provided a link to articles written by two INDIVIDUALS.</p>
<p>You have the right to your own opinion.  You can even doubt evolution if you want.  You should just be open enough to admit that you are going against established scientific consensus.  IMHO, it&#8217;s pretty arrogant to suggest that you&#8217;re right but the scientific community, the broad group of experts in the matter, are wrong.  That&#8217;s exactly what you are implying.</p>
<p>Exxon is clearly more concerned with their short-term profits than with the future of the planet we inhabit.  You don&#8217;t have a problem with that.  I do.</p>
<p>I believe in a free flow of information where research is done for the sole purpose of getting the right answer &#8211; the true intent of the scientific method.  You think that it&#8217;s ok that those with the most money can submit &#8220;research&#8221; that distorts the real situation.  That is not science.  It is propoganda!</p>
<p>BTW, your &#8220;rest of the country&#8221; comment implies that we are in the minority.  There have been many polls that show a majority of people in this country think our government is not doing enough to combat global warming.  In fact, YOU are in the minority on this.  Al Gore is responsible for educating a lot of people on this and for that I thank him.</p>
<p>As to be expected, we hear the line about the huge danger in trying to solve this problem.  What possible damage could there be in doing simple things like driving more fuel-efficient vehicles and investing more money in alternative energy sources?</p>
<p>Again as to be expected, this global warming denier slips into the &#8220;out of my control&#8221; line of thinking which implies that we are powerless to do anything about it anyway.  He goes on about his personal life style which is not at all the issue here.  The issue is what kinds of decisions are made by our government at the much larger level.  Indeed, there are many, many things that the Bush administration could have done to help ameliorate this problem.  They have been completely negligent in this regard which is why Al Gore, and none of the Republicans that served under Bush won the Nobel peace prize.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118586', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here&#039;s a good one from Junk Science.  (Yes, I&#039;m actually pointing to a link on Junk Science!!)  It&#039;s Steve Milloy defending his stance on taking money from tobacco companies and writing scientific articles on their behalf.  It&#039;s argued that it&#039;s fine to keep the funding source under wraps since it would be too hard to objectively show it.  What a crock!!

http://www.junkscience.com/sep98/scilet.html

Bigfoot, do you think it&#039;s ok to take money from companies like Exxon and write pieces that appear to be scientific and counter prevailing scientific consensus on global warming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here&#8217;s a good one from Junk Science.  (Yes, I&#8217;m actually pointing to a link on Junk Science!!)  It&#8217;s Steve Milloy defending his stance on taking money from tobacco companies and writing scientific articles on their behalf.  It&#8217;s argued that it&#8217;s fine to keep the funding source under wraps since it would be too hard to objectively show it.  What a crock!!</p>
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<p>Bigfoot, do you think it&#8217;s ok to take money from companies like Exxon and write pieces that appear to be scientific and counter prevailing scientific consensus on global warming?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118563', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/12/gore-petraeus-fox/comment-page-6/#comment-4118559</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  I Googled your Irena Sendler.  Sounds like a decent person.  I&#039;m sure there are many decent nominees.  But the esteemed Nobel committee picked Al Gore.  Deal with it!!

Now, where are the scientific organizations that support your opinion on global warming?  BTW, here is a list of the organizations that I was able to find that support the consensus view.

  Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)

  Joint science academiesâ€™ statement 2005

  American Meteorological Society

  American Geophysical Union

  American Institute of Physics

  The American Astronomical Society

  American Association for the Advancement of Science

  Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London

  Geological Society of America

  American Association of State Climatologists

  Australian Medical Association

  American Chemical Society

  American Quaternary Association

  Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)

Still waiting for yours</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I Googled your Irena Sendler.  Sounds like a decent person.  I&#8217;m sure there are many decent nominees.  But the esteemed Nobel committee picked Al Gore.  Deal with it!!</p>
<p>Now, where are the scientific organizations that support your opinion on global warming?  BTW, here is a list of the organizations that I was able to find that support the consensus view.</p>
<p>  Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)</p>
<p>  Joint science academiesâ€™ statement 2005</p>
<p>  American Meteorological Society</p>
<p>  American Geophysical Union</p>
<p>  American Institute of Physics</p>
<p>  The American Astronomical Society</p>
<p>  American Association for the Advancement of Science</p>
<p>  Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London</p>
<p>  Geological Society of America</p>
<p>  American Association of State Climatologists</p>
<p>  Australian Medical Association</p>
<p>  American Chemical Society</p>
<p>  American Quaternary Association</p>
<p>  Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)</p>
<p>Still waiting for yours<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118559', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/12/gore-petraeus-fox/comment-page-6/#comment-4118555</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you should look deep inside yourself and find the source of your hatred. 

Comment by O. Bigfoot â€” October 13, 2007 @ 10:21 am

How about a four year long war that costs hundreds of billions of dollars, that has killed four thousand Americans and, at least, tens of thousands of Iraqis all fought over a rationale that turned out to be incorrect.  I think any lover of &#039;peace&#039; would find all of this a little disturbing.

And of course, this is the typical right-wing tactic of turning the argument around.  YOU are the one who is so angry that they feel compelled to come to a web site where they are obviously going to start and argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should look deep inside yourself and find the source of your hatred. </p>
<p>Comment by O. Bigfoot â€” October 13, 2007 @ 10:21 am</p>
<p>How about a four year long war that costs hundreds of billions of dollars, that has killed four thousand Americans and, at least, tens of thousands of Iraqis all fought over a rationale that turned out to be incorrect.  I think any lover of &#8216;peace&#8217; would find all of this a little disturbing.</p>
<p>And of course, this is the typical right-wing tactic of turning the argument around.  YOU are the one who is so angry that they feel compelled to come to a web site where they are obviously going to start and argument.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118555', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently you all would prefer censorship of guest comments rather than open discussion, as long as it supports the lib point of view? Sounds pretty dangerous to me.

Comment by O. Bigfoot â€” October 13, 2007 @ 9:04 am

Since Fox is &#039;balanced&#039; can you tell us the person on this segment who provided the point of view that Gore is a great man that deserved this award?  Hmmm.  Maybe their wasn&#039;t one.  Maybe Fox CONSISTENTLY provides a forum for extreme righties like Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin without providing a balance.  (Michael&#039;s favorite Steven Milloy is also a Fox News regular.)

Here&#039;s a game I like to play with the global warming denier trolls.  It&#039;s called &quot;Quote the Scientific Organization&quot;.  We go back and forth providing quotes from scientific organizations that have taken a position on global warming.  The organizations have to be valid scientific organizations not places like Junk Science that have been clearly shown to take money from corportations (like big tobacco) and issue reports that are clearly in their favor.

I&#039;ll start with one from the predominant meteorological organization in this country, the American Meteorological Society.

&quot;Despite uncertainties, there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warmingÍ¾ that humans have significantly contributed to this changeÍ¾ and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems and on wildlife through the 21st century snd beyond, according to a new information statement on climate change issued by the American Meteorological Society today. The AMS is the nationâ€™s leading professional society for those involved in the atmospheric and related sciences.&quot;

Reference: http://www.ametsoc.org/amsnews/2007climatechangerelease.pdf

OK Bigfoot, your turn.  Isn&#039;t this a great way to debate the topic?  Let&#039;s let only the established scientific organizations give their point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently you all would prefer censorship of guest comments rather than open discussion, as long as it supports the lib point of view? Sounds pretty dangerous to me.</p>
<p>Comment by O. Bigfoot â€” October 13, 2007 @ 9:04 am</p>
<p>Since Fox is &#8216;balanced&#8217; can you tell us the person on this segment who provided the point of view that Gore is a great man that deserved this award?  Hmmm.  Maybe their wasn&#8217;t one.  Maybe Fox CONSISTENTLY provides a forum for extreme righties like Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin without providing a balance.  (Michael&#8217;s favorite Steven Milloy is also a Fox News regular.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a game I like to play with the global warming denier trolls.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;Quote the Scientific Organization&#8221;.  We go back and forth providing quotes from scientific organizations that have taken a position on global warming.  The organizations have to be valid scientific organizations not places like Junk Science that have been clearly shown to take money from corportations (like big tobacco) and issue reports that are clearly in their favor.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll start with one from the predominant meteorological organization in this country, the American Meteorological Society.</p>
<p>&#8220;Despite uncertainties, there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warmingÍ¾ that humans have significantly contributed to this changeÍ¾ and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems and on wildlife through the 21st century snd beyond, according to a new information statement on climate change issued by the American Meteorological Society today. The AMS is the nationâ€™s leading professional society for those involved in the atmospheric and related sciences.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reference: <a href="http://www.ametsoc.org/amsnews/2007climatechangerelease.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ametsoc.org/amsnews/2007climatechangerelease.pdf</a></p>
<p>OK Bigfoot, your turn.  Isn&#8217;t this a great way to debate the topic?  Let&#8217;s let only the established scientific organizations give their point of view.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118553', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JustJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. President, are you going to openly praise Mr. Gore&#039;s award?
..........................
No, thats what I thought, oh well, our next leader will show you how it&#039;s done. The regime change for America can not happen soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. President, are you going to openly praise Mr. Gore&#8217;s award?<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
No, thats what I thought, oh well, our next leader will show you how it&#8217;s done. The regime change for America can not happen soon enough.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118552', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JustJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reality, the world really does not hate us, the people. 
They hate our leaders and what they have done with their power. They also know that this mess our leaders have put us into will be corrected in time. 

When I talk about this in public there is always a 20% squirming like they just &#039;sharted&#039; their pants, it happened again last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reality, the world really does not hate us, the people.<br />
They hate our leaders and what they have done with their power. They also know that this mess our leaders have put us into will be corrected in time. </p>
<p>When I talk about this in public there is always a 20% squirming like they just &#8217;sharted&#8217; their pants, it happened again last night.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118548', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if the Peace Prize doesn&#039;t carry the weight it once did, bighole, why are you and all of your brownshirt friends screaming bloody murder over it? why is it all over the news worldwide? Sounds to me like you&#039;ve struck out again, and that you&#039;re purely and simply envious that Al Gore has another one up on the miserable failure that you traitors allowed to steal your country, and are still allowing to murder innocent families in the Middle East and destroy families here at home. well, once again, you lose, bigtime! Losers, that&#039;s who&#039;s left for you to cower under your bed with. Suck it, LOSER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if the Peace Prize doesn&#8217;t carry the weight it once did, bighole, why are you and all of your brownshirt friends screaming bloody murder over it? why is it all over the news worldwide? Sounds to me like you&#8217;ve struck out again, and that you&#8217;re purely and simply envious that Al Gore has another one up on the miserable failure that you traitors allowed to steal your country, and are still allowing to murder innocent families in the Middle East and destroy families here at home. well, once again, you lose, bigtime! Losers, that&#8217;s who&#8217;s left for you to cower under your bed with. Suck it, LOSER.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118536', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: chnouf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, sorry to bring this back up again but I figured something out.  Michael actually started that junkscience website, so the $15 bucks would go to him/her.  Also, does anybody remember that time in pee-wee Herman&#039;s big adventure when pee-wee is offering a ten thousand dollar reward because &quot;whoever returns the bike obviously stole it and they don;t deserve any reward!&quot;  It is reminiscent.  Oh, also I went ot junk science and signed up for the competition.  They evaluated my claim and I won the $125,000.  I am really excited.  I am probably going to spend it on McDonald&#039;s meals so I can get the monopoly pieces and win even more money!  Doesn&#039;t McDonald&#039;s own Fox?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, sorry to bring this back up again but I figured something out.  Michael actually started that junkscience website, so the $15 bucks would go to him/her.  Also, does anybody remember that time in pee-wee Herman&#8217;s big adventure when pee-wee is offering a ten thousand dollar reward because &#8220;whoever returns the bike obviously stole it and they don;t deserve any reward!&#8221;  It is reminiscent.  Oh, also I went ot junk science and signed up for the competition.  They evaluated my claim and I won the $125,000.  I am really excited.  I am probably going to spend it on McDonald&#8217;s meals so I can get the monopoly pieces and win even more money!  Doesn&#8217;t McDonald&#8217;s own Fox?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118519', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MiMiCcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiMiCcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is anyone even wasting time with Fox, we know what they are, the Republican &quot;Baghdad Bob&quot; Propaganda Station.   Ignore them, maybe their sponsors will go away once they find no one is paying any attention, and then so will Fox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is anyone even wasting time with Fox, we know what they are, the Republican &#8220;Baghdad Bob&#8221; Propaganda Station.   Ignore them, maybe their sponsors will go away once they find no one is paying any attention, and then so will Fox.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118480', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: nellre</title>
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		<dc:creator>nellre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faux is not a news station, it is a platform for troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faux is not a news station, it is a platform for troll.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4118406', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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