oh, that’s right, the spying didn’t have anything to do with the “attacks”, just like everything else the liars in Washington pinned on the “attacks”: the “Patriot” Act, the war, renditions, torture, etc. etc. etc.

(He was too busy cooking the books and cashing in stock options to pay much attention . . . the man is not a saint)

I have no idea about the identity of Plunger, but I believe that you were referring to posts on Think Progress.

I am not anonymous and my thoughts were not “stiched together,” my thoughts are the resule of my education, experience and personal observation.

If Dick Cheney or Joe Nacchio gives you a rose . . . chances are . . . it stinks.

A petunia . . . . ?

This statement is a falsehood, and has been debunked before.

The right-wing noise machine can repeat their claims all they want. That doesn’t make them true.

Thanks for playing.

Comment by BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE, I think the Bush Administration was at best. looking the other way on 9/11. At worst, funded it. Either way, they were in the mix, sort of like the 5 dancing Israelis in New Jersey, the bomb-sniffing dog removal the weekend before, no jets scrambles, and of course, WTC7. The Powers Get Noam Chomsky and Amy Goodman to regurgitate the Bush Administrations Conspiracy Theory. This is perhaps where the Left goes awry. They take their leaders word for word, much like the Right does. Bill Maher makes it a joke, and he sounds strangely identical to Dennis Miller. What amazes me is that all it takes is a bit more research.

Pre-9/11 wiretapping?? This shows they knew about 9/11, but did nothing or were trying to find out who knew ahead of time. I know Mike Levine and Alex Jones called it months before. Personally, I don’t care for either one of them too much, but they both agree on the ever-present Police State we are currently in. Well, Nixon was wire-tapping those on his “enemies” list. Republicans have always been and are a paranoid lot, with maybe the exception of Eisenhower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/opinion/14rich2.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

The Patriot Act was a revamp of the 1995-6 Omnibus crime bill that they tried to pass right after the OKC bombing.

Is it starting to make sense yet?

not long at all when written like that…

you too, plunger… er, well… at times, too much…

buy, whew!… pretty deep for a sunday morning, guys…
there is none of it i can doubt… none of it would surprise me…

i’ve thought for years that so much criminal activity could only exist while ensuring that anyone who could prevent it would be
compromised into submission…

oh! where are the heroes?!
…

my disposition requires that i retreat to the garden,
or be levelled to ever deeper depressions… so sad…

g’day all… later…
.

By the way, did you know that David Rockefeller and Prince Bernhardt of the Netherlands visited Moscow secretly and two days later Kruschev was ousted? The trilateral commission and Council on Foreign Relations actually rules the world.

Documents turned over in the summer of 2003 by the Commerce Department as a result of the Sierra Club’s and Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as two charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents, dated March 2001, also feature maps of Saudi Arabian and United Arab Emirates oilfields, pipelines, refineries and tanker terminals. There are supporting charts with details of the major oil and gas development projects in each country that provide information on the project’s costs, capacity, oil company and status or completion date.

Documented plans of occupation and exploitation predating September 11 confirm heightened suspicion that U.S. policy is driven by the dictates of the energy industry. According to Judicial Watch President, Tom Fitton, “These documents show the importance of the Energy Task Force and why its operations should be open to the public.”

When first assuming office in early 2001, President Bush’s top foreign policy priority was not to prevent terrorism or to curb the spread of weapons of mass destruction–or any of the other goals he espoused later that year following 9-11. Rather, it was to increase the flow of petroleum from suppliers abroad to U.S. markets. In the months before he became president, the United States had experienced severe oil and natural gas shortages in many parts of the country, along with periodic electrical power blackouts in California. In addition, oil imports rose to more than 50% of total consumption for the first time in history, provoking great anxiety about the security of the country’s long-term energy supply. Bush asserted that addressing the nation’s “energy crisis” was his most important task as president.

The energy turmoil of 2000-01 prompted Bush to establish a task force charged with developing a long-range plan to meet U.S. energy requirements. With the advice of his close friend and largest campaign contributor, Enron CEO, Ken Lay, Bush picked Vice President Dick Cheney, former Halliburton CEO, to head this group. In 2001 the Task Force formulated the National Energy Policy (NEP), or Cheney Report, bypassing possibilities for energy independence and reduced oil consumption with a declaration of ambitions to establish new sources of oil.

The Bush Administration’s struggle to keep secret the workings of Cheney’s Energy Task Force has been ongoing since early in the President’s tenure.

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/8.html

In the spring of 2001 the severity of the California energy emergency had inspired demands for government action, and Enron had a problem.

Enron CEO Kenneth Lay knew he needed high-level help. So he arranged to meet with a man who had headed a corporation with extensive business ties to Enron and who had been a prime recipient of Enron’s political largesse. Vice President Dick Cheney cleared his calendar for an April 17 private meeting with Lay regarding what aides described as “energy policy matters” and “the energy crisis in California.” At the meeting Lay handed Cheney a memo that read in part: “The administration should reject any attempt to re-regulate wholesale power markets by adopting price caps….”

The day after he met with Lay, Cheney gave a rare phone interview to the Los Angeles Times that had one recurrent theme: Price caps were out of the question. Dismissing the strategy as “short-term political relief for the politicians,” Cheney bluntly declared, “I don’t see that as a possibility.”

Indeed, so close was the Cheney-Enron relationship that it is entirely reasonable to ask whether ethical and legal lines were crossed. That possibility offers the most realistic explanation for Cheney’s refusal to disclose details of his Enron contacts to Congress.

Cheney’s refusal to cooperate with investigators–which presidential historian Stanley Kutler refers to as part of a broad “assault on the legal and Constitutional order” by the Bush Administration–forms the most powerful argument for the appointment of a special counsel.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020415/nichols

The BBC was told by Niaz Naik, a Pakistani Foreign Secretary, that senior American officials were warning them as early as mid-July, 2001 that military action for mid-October was being planned for Afghanistan.

Say what?

In 1996, the Department of Energy was issuing reports on the desirability of a pipeline through Afghanistan, and in 1998, Unocal testified before the House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific that this pipeline was crucial to transport Caspian Basin oil to the Indian Ocean.

Such a plan would by necessity be a war plan, and this war plan was actually in place prior to 9/11.

Surely any good war plan requires at its core a starting point, a trigger if you will that provides a good “cover story” to implement it. Clearly you can’t just go around invading countries without a good reason…you need to be attacked first, then retaliate.

Was 9/11 simply part of the war plan?

Why wouldn’t it have been?

You can’t hit the “GO” button without a pretext.

9/11 was the pretext for the invasion of the Middle East – all by design.

So the implementation of such a plan would require BY NECESSITY the implementation of a FALSE FLAG ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES of such magnitude that it would rival the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor thereby invoking the Pavlovian response which resulted.

If you were looking for anyone to pull off the perfect False Flag Operation on your behalf, there is only one place you would look…Israel’s Mossad.

The so-called Energy Crisis in California was entirely fabricated of whole cloth by none other than Ken Lay’s Enron – in concert with Poppy Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and even Alan Greenspan.

The only thing more outrageous than these theories is the belief that the timing of 9/11 was a coincidence. It would be a stretch (even for a COINCIDENCE THEORIST), to contend that all of these matters are not directly related.

THE RULE of law can be defined as a system in which the laws are public knowledge, are clear in meaning, and apply equally to everyone. They enshrine and uphold the political and civil liberties that have gained status as universal human rights over the last half-century. . . . Perhaps most important, the government is embedded in a comprehensive legal framework, its officials accept that the law will be applied to their own conduct, and the government seeks to be law-abiding.

What is happening now in Washington is — in every respect — the exact opposite of this. Already, it was revealed that our highest government officials, including the President, broke the law deliberately and for years by spying on Americans without the warrants required by the laws we enacted, and all of official Washington immediately agreed that nothing should happen as a result. And nothing did happen.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html

Comment by Mugsy

they won’t…too many Demos have been complicent in the crimes from The Patriot Act, Iraq War and war funding, and sleeping with AIPAC. Perhaps if these dopes listened to Kucinich and Ron Paul we would not be in this mess.

BTW, T-Mobile told BushCo too go screw also. Cingular uses AT&T towers.