Comments on: Conyers wants answers on pre-9/11 NSA program. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:02:21 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Troubled Texan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-3/#comment-4122094 Troubled Texan Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:51:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4122094 Conyers wants answers? Puuuuuuulease!!!!!!!!!!!!! Conyers had the answers to impeach. Did he? Hell no! What makes you think Conyers will act differently? He won't. Troubled Conyers wants answers?

Puuuuuuulease!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Conyers had the answers to impeach. Did he?

Hell no!

What makes you think Conyers will act differently?

He won’t.

Troubled

]]> By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-3/#comment-4120769 Chocolate Jesus Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:57:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120769 >Is Ted Kennedy on the list because he is a threat He's on the list because supposedly someone else with the exact same name has terrorist ties...supposedly... I understand "kenned-hi" is a very popular name in saudi arabi... >Is Ted Kennedy on the list because he is a threat

He’s on the list because supposedly someone else with the exact same name has terrorist ties…supposedly…

I understand “kenned-hi” is a very popular name in saudi arabi…

]]> By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-3/#comment-4120754 Chocolate Jesus Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:46:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120754 >I love how ThinkProgress makes NO mention that this >allegation comes from a convicted felon in papers filed > in an effort to overturn his conviction…. >TP’s dishonesty is amusing. Exlexia so I take if your quite disturbed that we went to war based on information largley provided by "curveball", and alchoholic who was brought to our attention by convicted embezzled Chalabi? Many a conviction has been won by criminals turning states evidence. Are you claiming we should stop using this valuable law enforcement tool simply because the witnesses are criminals? Nacchio is a felon to be sure, but employees of other phone companies with clean records who arent trying to save thier butts have coroborated this guys story: that the government was pursuing this wiretapping pre-9/11. (see Electronic Frontier Foundations lawsuit againt AT+T) The AT+T employee mentioned in that case had no reason to lie, has proof to back up his assertions, and by law could not share in any monies won by EFF in the case, as this is not a Qui Tam action. Any illegal wirtapping pursued by the government pre-911 per se defeats and destroys thier "wartime powers" argument. Interesting enough, the phone companies have not denied it either. If its not true, why dont they just deny it? Would save them an awful lot of trouble.. Exlexia, I take it if its proven this spying was started post 9-11 you'll condemn bush + co for doing it then, right? >I love how ThinkProgress makes NO mention that this
>allegation comes from a convicted felon in papers filed
> in an effort to overturn his conviction….
>TP’s dishonesty is amusing.

Exlexia so I take if your quite disturbed that we went to war based on information largley provided by “curveball”, and alchoholic who was brought to our attention by convicted embezzled Chalabi?

Many a conviction has been won by criminals turning states evidence. Are you claiming we should stop using this valuable law enforcement tool simply because the witnesses are criminals?
Nacchio is a felon to be sure, but employees of other phone companies with clean records who arent trying to save thier butts have coroborated this guys story: that the government was pursuing this wiretapping pre-9/11. (see Electronic Frontier Foundations lawsuit againt AT+T)
The AT+T employee mentioned in that case had no reason to lie, has proof to back up his assertions, and by law could not share in any monies won by EFF in the case, as this is not a Qui Tam action.

Any illegal wirtapping pursued by the government pre-911 per se defeats and destroys thier “wartime powers” argument. Interesting enough, the phone companies have not denied it either. If its not true, why dont they just deny it? Would save them an awful lot of trouble..

Exlexia, I take it if its proven this spying was started post 9-11 you’ll condemn bush + co for doing it then, right?

]]> By: Buckie Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120507 Buckie Boy Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:58:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120507 I personally find Ace's posts very informative - when you research them, they are actually factual, at least the ones I checked to date have been, so much information there I just don't have time to research them all. How do you find the time Ace? Buck Fush I personally find Ace’s posts very informative – when you research them, they are actually factual, at least the ones I checked to date have been, so much information there I just don’t have time to research them all.

How do you find the time Ace?

Buck Fush

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120477 RUCerious Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:31:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120477 Demand answers, if not forthcoming, impeach these mofos. Demand answers, if not forthcoming, impeach these mofos.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120428 Shayne Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:52:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120428 TP’s dishonesty is amusing. Comment by Exley — October 15, 2007 @ 8:53 pm TP has "amusing" dishonesty? What kind of dishonesty does Bushco have evil, coniving, war mongoring treasonous dishonesty? And then there's Fox News dishonesty, too dispicable to name? But you here whining about TP's dishonesty you you pathetic, whining piece of troll scum. TP’s dishonesty is amusing.

Comment by Exley — October 15, 2007 @ 8:53 pm

TP has “amusing” dishonesty? What kind of dishonesty does Bushco have evil, coniving, war mongoring treasonous dishonesty? And then there’s Fox News dishonesty, too dispicable to name? But you here whining about TP’s dishonesty you you pathetic, whining piece of troll scum.

]]> By: TomR http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120415 TomR Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:44:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120415 While it's good news that the truth is finally coming out, I'm saddened that this sh*t has been kept hidden for 7 loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnggggg years. Imagine all of the people who knew something and could have spoken up before the 2004 election. While I understand that they'd have been hammered by the right, they could have made a significant impact, changed the future of our country and taken us off the path leading to fascism. - Tom While it’s good news that the truth is finally coming out, I’m saddened that this sh*t has been kept hidden for 7 loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnggggg years. Imagine all of the people who knew something and could have spoken up before the 2004 election.

While I understand that they’d have been hammered by the right, they could have made a significant impact, changed the future of our country and taken us off the path leading to fascism.

- Tom

]]> By: arguewithmydad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120397 arguewithmydad Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:33:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120397 George the Second and Count Cheney have to be impeached asap. The safety of the Constitution and the democracy is at stake. Larry George the Second and Count Cheney have to be impeached asap. The safety of the Constitution and the democracy is at stake.
Larry

]]> By: Bad Eye http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120363 Bad Eye Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:57:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120363 OK, Questioneverything, here ya go (I just love The Google): Ann Wright, a retired US Army Reserves Colonel and a US diplomat who resigned in March, 2003 in opposition to the war on Iraq: <blockquote>And, I reminded Congressman Conyers that I was one of 400 persons who came to his office on July 23 and one of 47 who were arrested in his office when he would not agree to consider initiating investigations on articles of impeachment. Conyers has said frequently that “we don’t want to jeopardize the 2008 elections with impeachment” and “we don’t have time before the 2008 for impeachment.”</blockquote> Ms. Wright also says this: <blockquote>US Congressman John Conyers said in Pontiac, Michigan, on August 28, 2007 that, while Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi may have impeachment off her table, he has NOT put impeachment off HIS table!</blockquote> <a href="http://news.surfwax.com/law/files/Articles_Of_Impeachment.html" rel="nofollow">Link.</a> We can probably find more info at Conyers' blog, http://www.johnconyers.com/. I would check it out more in depth but I do not have the time right now. OK, Questioneverything, here ya go (I just love The Google):

Ann Wright, a retired US Army Reserves Colonel and a US diplomat who resigned in March, 2003 in opposition to the war on Iraq:

And, I reminded Congressman Conyers that I was one of 400 persons who came to his office on July 23 and one of 47 who were arrested in his office when he would not agree to consider initiating investigations on articles of impeachment. Conyers has said frequently that “we don’t want to jeopardize the 2008 elections with impeachment” and “we don’t have time before the 2008 for impeachment.”

Ms. Wright also says this:

US Congressman John Conyers said in Pontiac, Michigan, on August 28, 2007 that, while Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi may have impeachment off her table, he has NOT put impeachment off HIS table!

Link.

We can probably find more info at Conyers’ blog, http://www.johnconyers.com/. I would check it out more in depth but I do not have the time right now.

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120360 Keith Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:52:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120360 RemoveBush, for an excellent dvd on the pre-war lies, watch UNCOVERED: THE WAR ON IRAQ, 2004, (1:23) producer/director Robert Greenwald. interviewed: Robert Baer, Rand Beers, John Dean, John Kiesling, Karen Kwiatkowski, Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter, Stansfield Turner, Joe Wilson, Colonel Mary Ann Wright, Clare Short, and more available from Netflix RemoveBush, for an excellent dvd on the pre-war lies, watch UNCOVERED: THE WAR ON IRAQ, 2004, (1:23)
producer/director Robert Greenwald.

interviewed: Robert Baer, Rand Beers, John Dean, John Kiesling,
Karen Kwiatkowski,
Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter, Stansfield Turner, Joe Wilson, Colonel Mary Ann Wright, Clare Short, and more

available from Netflix

]]> By: Bad Eye http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120357 Bad Eye Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:48:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120357 <em>When will Conyers get sick of being used to make it look like the Dems are doing something? When will he come right out and say: “Enough. We must impeach Cheney and Bush?” Comment by questioneverything — October 15, 2007 @ 10:19 pm</em> It hasn't been that long ago that, I believe, Conyers was in fact putting together evidence to draw up articles of impeachment against Bush. Apparently it has been snuffed out...I don't have any details because frankly, with impeachment "off the table" and Conyers' failed effort (not for lack of trying) to get Bush to answer questions about the Downing Street Minutes, I kinda lost heart. When will Conyers get sick of being used to make it look like the Dems are doing something? When will he come right out and say: “Enough. We must impeach Cheney and Bush?”

Comment by questioneverything — October 15, 2007 @ 10:19 pm

It hasn’t been that long ago that, I believe, Conyers was in fact putting together evidence to draw up articles of impeachment against Bush. Apparently it has been snuffed out…I don’t have any details because frankly, with impeachment “off the table” and Conyers’ failed effort (not for lack of trying) to get Bush to answer questions about the Downing Street Minutes, I kinda lost heart.

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120345 Keith Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:38:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120345 I heard a rumour the Supreme Court just gave Gore's oscar and Nobel Prize to W! Is that true? I heard a rumour the Supreme Court just gave Gore’s oscar and Nobel Prize to W! Is that true?

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120341 Keith Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:35:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120341 And Dick'nGeorge pardoned Scooter so he would not testify against them for outing the person who was head of the no-proliferation group for Iraq and Iran. And Dick’nGeorge pardoned Scooter so he would not testify against them for outing the person who was head of the no-proliferation group for Iraq and Iran.

]]> By: Johnsnottoodistracted http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120340 Johnsnottoodistracted Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:35:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120340 The maps to where we are now were printed and distributed before 2000. This is not news. What criminal prosecuters should be looking at are activities by gunner vp man and his losers pre election theft. Note: what's it like hanging with a trigger happy clown you know shot a friend in the face? The maps to where we are now were printed and distributed before 2000.
This is not news.
What criminal prosecuters should be looking at are activities by gunner vp man and his losers pre election theft.
Note: what’s it like hanging with a trigger happy clown you know shot a friend in the face?

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120324 Keith Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:24:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120324 RemoveBush, Just as GHWB pardoned those who could have testified against him in the Iran-Contra crimes. RemoveBush,

Just as GHWB pardoned those who could have testified against him in the Iran-Contra crimes.

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120321 Keith Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:21:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120321 If the administration is using its powers solely for country's security and not for political purposes, then why are there 100,000 people on the no-fly and watch lists? Are there 100,000 people in the US who are threats? Is Ted Kennedy on the list because he is a threat or merely a political opponent? Whatever happened to the investigation of the anthrax attack on Leahy and Daschle and the tabloid in Florida which showed photos of the Bush twins drunk on the floor? If the administration is using its powers solely for country’s security and not for political purposes, then why are there 100,000 people on the no-fly and watch lists? Are there 100,000 people in the US who are threats? Is Ted Kennedy on the list because he is a threat or merely a political opponent?

Whatever happened to the investigation of the anthrax attack on Leahy and Daschle and the tabloid in Florida which showed photos of the Bush twins drunk on the floor?

]]> By: questioneverything http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120318 questioneverything Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:19:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120318 When will Conyers get sick of being used to make it look like the Dems are doing something? When will he come right out and say: "Enough. We must impeach Cheney and Bush?" When will Conyers get sick of being used to make it look like the Dems are doing something? When will he come right out and say: “Enough. We must impeach Cheney and Bush?”

]]> By: Bad Eye http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120316 Bad Eye Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:16:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120316 <em>Heh! I love how ThinkProgress makes NO mention that this allegation comes from a convicted felon in papers filed in an effort to overturn his conviction….TP’s dishonesty is amusing. Comment by Exley — October 15, 2007 @ 8:53 pm</em> Scooter Libby is a convicted felon, too, but I bet you'd believe anything he told you. Heh! I love how ThinkProgress makes NO mention that this allegation comes from a convicted felon in papers filed in an effort to overturn his conviction….TP’s dishonesty is amusing.

Comment by Exley — October 15, 2007 @ 8:53 pm

Scooter Libby is a convicted felon, too, but I bet you’d believe anything he told you.

]]> By: Veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120311 Veritas Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:12:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120311 Thanks, remove bush - good research and good rationale! Let's gong the impeachment bell! Thanks, remove bush – good research and good rationale! Let’s gong the impeachment bell!

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4120300 Uncle Ho Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:58:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/conyers-wants-answers-on-pre-911-nsa-program/#comment-4120300 looks like my last post was deleted. Basically, I replied to FunMe, the hell with impeachment, take this gang of neo-Nazi thugs straight to the guillotine. No gang of criminals deserve that more than this bunch. looks like my last post was deleted. Basically, I replied to FunMe, the hell with impeachment, take this gang of neo-Nazi thugs straight to the guillotine. No gang of criminals deserve that more than this bunch.

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