The parents of Graeme Frost speak out.
By on Oct 15th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
The parents of Graeme Frost speak out.
The family that the right wing wanted to “destroy” tells their story on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann. Bonnie Frost explained her view on the right-wing attacks:
They seemed to use this as a distraction technique to take away the issue at hand. And that is that millions of children in America are without health insurance and could benefit greatly from the SCHIP bill. Just like my family has.
My main goal is to get that message across that we just want to help other families like we have been helped. And just thinking that it was turned around in such a nasty, negative way is unbelievable to me.
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reich-wing attack in 3..... 2..... 1.....
October 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pmIt's not unbelievable to me. I'm not surprised at all. There is NO DEPTH of wretchedness the right will not sink to in order to defend their crippled ideology. Beat up a child? Hell, we're just getting started!
October 15th, 2007 at 10:43 pmWell said by Bonnie Frost. The right should note her civility.
October 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pmThe best part of this, I think, isnot so much showing up thte Republican's fecklessness as their cluelessness: The picture that comes out of the Frost's is far more real, and will resonate more deeply, with millions of working class heroes who are trying their damnedest to work and build a life for their families. Michelle Malkin comes off as vicious, yes, but also jusy plain ignorant of life off ofwingnut welfare. And Rush? A multi-millionaire inveighing against the Frost's getting insurance from the state that they pay for? It's far worse than being right-wing fanatics--they emerge as people who don't understand what life for the non-richin America is like.
October 15th, 2007 at 10:54 pmAnd that's going to slaughter them at the polls.
The Frosts are trying to help others. Now the Republicans are really going to think they're up to something. They just won't be able to believe that people can actually do something to help others. Now the Frosts will be accused of being Socialists.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:11 pmThats the Republicans, all they can do is smear, lie, smear, then lie some more. Everything they "stand for" is a sham and a lie.
What they really stand for is fascism, corruption and greed.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pmRush? A multi-millionaire inveighing against the Frost’s getting insurance from the state that they pay for?
Comment by pbg — October 15, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Limbaugh got a 10-year $ one-quarter Billion dontract from GE/NBC to say things that are beneficial to GE.
During a newspaper interview at a Manhattan restaurant ($450 dinner for two), he said Bill Clinton couldn't understand the middle Americans. Then his chauffeured limosine took him back to his penthouse.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:24 pmYour right-wing fascist thug regime (12/00 - to date) and their idiotic media fellow-travelers and corporate enablers are in their final days (or final daze... if you prefer...).
Like in the insane right-wing bullying of Terri Shiavo's husband, after the GOP electronic theft of the 2004 Presidential election, these creeps have gone way overboard in their attacks on middle-of-the-road everyday Americans... They're in a losing game, but they keep hoping that maybe one more stupid smear will keep them in power.
They are crashing and burning, as the viciousness and venality of the Bush regime is being more revealed each day.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:32 pmDoes anyone get paid that kind of money to tell the truth? The truth is free to those that want to listen. Well crafted, unconscionable lies...now that's worth $25MM/year to the right customer to reach the right consumer.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:39 pmSCHIP will be this year's g.o.p. Katrina moment. America will know the right wing for the cowardly thugs that they are.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:41 pm"They are crashing and burning, as the viciousness and venality of the Bush regime is being morrevealed each day."
You mean "REVILED each day" right?
October 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmThanks to the Frosts for sharing their story. Three years ago, in Dec. 2004, their world was shattered by a tragic car accident. What a credit to these fine parents that their kids are healing & wholesome.
I am ashamed of Sen. Mitch McConnell and his Communications Director named Don Stewart who sent out the email with bogus talking points to trash the Frost family. Stewart's email was sent far and wide and started the right wing smear. Will he be fired? Call McConnell:
October 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pm1-800-828-0498 for DC or 502-582-6304 for Louisville office
Well here's the thing. This family is a model of 'family values' the republicans are always vomiting about. But SUDDENLY, a family (who were just helping their kids with homework, those lefties) who isn't screaming JESUS are attacked.
When it comes down to brass tacks, republicans are simply about idiocy and nonsense. Democrats are the real family values party. You know this because they're not out their screaming it, their actually trying to do things that actually HELP families.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pmno time to watch this clip...
i saw tonight's countdown... you need to see the pics of the kids
in the hospital that bonnie had keith show in this segment...
truly horrific to see how messed up they were...
truly awesome to see the recovery results...
g'nite all...
hope you are seeing this post...
October 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amThe truth is that any idea supported by Democrats, liberals, or progressives - no matter how fundamentally sound or in keeping with reasonable social expectations - must be defeated by the Republican, conservative, neocon, faction. If Jesus were alive in America today, he'd be vilified by the Right. They are driven by hatred, social division, confrontation, and a manic belief in their own innate superiority. Logic and/or balance and/or critical thinking do not play a part in the furtherance of their political objectives. Character assassination and collateral damage are SOP. Hypocrisy, lies and criminality are seen as noble characteristics, especially when used to advance the agenda or the party.
No new news here. How's things with y'all?
October 16th, 2007 at 12:22 amAs I watched the Frosts on Olbermann, I thought, "What a caring, loving, brave family!
Graeme exemplifies what growing up in such a family can mean.
How bless the Democratic Party is to have such a brave young man for its spokesperson!
The trolls in the TP threads and the blowhards that make up the "conservative" slime machine aren't worthy of saying the Frost's name, more less sliming it!
October 16th, 2007 at 12:55 amWhere are the trolls anyway......?
Smearing the baby on the other thread?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:31 amSmearing the baby on the other thread?
Comment by Zooey — October 16, 2007
They seem to have gotten a double whammy Zooey, as the GOP just came out with a universal health care plan. I would say they are in a state of mass hive-brained confusion.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:41 amWhere are the trolls anyway……?
Smearing the baby on the other thread?
Comment by Zooey — October 16, 2007 @ 1:31 am
At times one wonders if they're about to have a Jonathan Swift moment and 'shmear' the kids. After all, their removal of healthcare for children is just a 'modest proposal'.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:45 amGraeme,
You are a darling young man with a wonderful family. God bless you for having the courage to overcome your medical problems as well as the strength to face a very tough political environment.
You are an inspiration to us all.
God bless you and your family.
Gwen
October 16th, 2007 at 2:04 amOH PLEASE . . . BIGFOOT, PLANT IT IN YOUR GREAT, GIANT A***.
Blowhard.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:19 amBigfoot planted in your mouth,
When this little boy is planted at Children's Hospital, with all of the little chemo therapied kids in surgical caps, screaming as loud as his lungs will allow because a part of his bone has been removed . . . are you going to be there? Will it just be so painful an experience that all you want to do is to go home to your own, insured kids? Unfortunately, even insured kids get lukemia and other cancers. While noone would wish these horrors on your kids . . . at least they have insurance.
Like it or not. It can happen. Ted Kennedy Jr. got bone cancer. You are not immune. You are, however human, act like it.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:25 amThe facts are this: George Bush has not vetoed SCHIP, nor has he advocated by his veto the reduction of the SCHIP program. What he has done is veto an irresponsible and unaffordable expansion of the SCHIP program to whole classes of the population who do not need nor deserve it. 18-25 year olds are not “childrenâ€, and do not belong on the program. And those making 60 grand plus per year do not belong on the program. Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:06 am
Unaffordable? We spend more a week in Iraq, than this program would cost! If this is unaffordable, Iraq is unconscionable!
Jesus gave free healtcare to all - what's irresponsible, is selfish peabrained nitwits attacking those in need!
It’s easy to sit back and advocate yet another feel-good social program which marches us even closer to the government run universal health care so many of you seem to long for…. Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:06 am
No, a 'feel good' policy is one that postures militarily, even when it makes the situation worse security wise (see Iraq). What this program is, is a DO GOOD policy, as in it DOES GOOD! You wingnut extremists never could tell the difference!
So here you also have an already dwindling tax base, which will dwindle further when cigs cost $60 a carton, and folks still think the expansion of SCHIP is a good idea, with no thought on how to pay for it when the tobacco tax doesn’t fill the bill.Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:06 am
Guess we'll have to use some of that Iraq budget when that happens! Or maybe the healthcare cost savings from having to pick up the tab on all of the smoke related illnesses that were prevented! This response is a non-starter, when you wingnuts are willing to dedicate 2 trillion dollars (yes that's what it will cost) on Iraq!
Taking into account the facts stated, the expansion of SCHIP is wasteful, unnecessary, and yet another financial entitlement that will become a continuing burden on an already overburdened tax base. Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:06 am
Giving people healthcare that are struggling to afford it (or don't qualify for it) is wasteful? From an Iraqi supporter, a very ironic bloviating hypocrisy!
October 16th, 2007 at 2:29 amyou know, the government run health care that will be run by the same government you spend all day bashing as inneffective, corrupt, immoral, etc. Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:06 am
That's not a government problem, it's a GOP one, and the population is working to resolve that little problem in the next few months!
October 16th, 2007 at 2:30 amBlah, blah, O Bigass.
You don't encourage your wife to stop smoking by buying her cigarettes, liar.
Say anything.....it's the troll way.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:35 amNo, this problem is neither GOP or Dem,
the problem is one of children. I have seen children scream in uncontrollable pain . . . from staff infections, from cancers . . . sometimes from pain that cannot be controlled by medications . . . sometimes from pain that, whether or not it can be controlled by medication, that due to lack of insurance, no insurance is available. I've see kids at risk of loss of limb and doctors performing procedures for free, and I've see a federal policy that does not provide coverage. I've seen kids screaming bloody murder in the middle of the night and nurses and doctors who performed unsanctioned procedured because noone with any ethics can let a child hurt so bad. . . . and now I've seen your letter stating point blank that patient care is not only secondary to corporate and tax considerations, but that any medical provider who provides medical services to the underpriviledged will be sanctioned, if not fired. NICE!
October 16th, 2007 at 2:46 amPlease forgive my grammatical errors, "see" in place of "seen", etc. I'm just a bit pissed.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:48 amUniversal health care, on the contrary, doesn’t pass Constitutional muster no matter how you spin it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:43 am
Neither does the LACK of universal health care, shitheel.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:52 amYeah Bigfoot,
You experience the severance of your nephew's leg for a cat-scratch staph infection . . . three operations later and talk to me about tax breaks for the 1%'ers.
Thank God for insurance,
While I wish no harm on anyone generally, a pox on you. . . . a few nights with a flesh eating bacteria might do you wonders.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:01 amUniversal health care, on the contrary, doesn’t pass Constitutional muster no matter how you spin it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:43 am
Yeah, that's what they said about 'universal retirement', known as social security... The constitution permits it, that's not the same as mandates, so your constitutional non-argument is just crap. I'll just chalk up your apparent ignorance to your general level of inexperience in the world. Don't despair, you can still learn, if you are open-minded and remain teachable.
Oh, you aren't a Neanderthal, they took care of their own. You're more like a cannibalistic lower life form.
As for the rest of your tripe, well, it's just ignorant nonsense as usual. Go educate yourself son! The cost of malpractice is quite low on the insurance industry - it's a red herring excuse for insurance companies to overcharge doctors. Just like they overcharge you, and why SCHIP exists! If capitalism were going to cure this, they would, as we have one of the least regulated healthcare industries of any developed country - yet 50 million remain uninsured. That doesn't count those the government already insures.
Yet the developed world provides healthcare that for general practice and even many specialties is superior to ours at less than half the cost... You're getting robbed, O bigloser!
October 16th, 2007 at 3:16 amTrue believers (perhaps I mean true haters) like OBigFart are doing their putrid part to bring the GOP to its final ruin. The political deafness is surreal.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:17 amActually, the lack of universal health care does indeed pass the Constitutional test.
I suggest some reading of the United States Constitution to clear your muddled mind.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 3:06 am
So does universal healthcare - it's called promote the general welfare!
I suggest you stop wiping your arse with the constitution and read it sometime!
October 16th, 2007 at 3:17 amPerhaps in your world, you force those around you to live the way you want them to live, come hell or high water. This dovetails nicely with the nanny-state mentality of the modern liberal. - O bigmouth
Says the wingnut who's party wants to nanny who can marry, etc.
Sounds to me like you’ve also never been around anyone who has attempted to quit smoking after nearly 20 years of nicotine addiction. $12 a carton is a small price to pay for peace in my home. O bigmouth
Sounds like you deserve each other! An addict and an enabler - the perfect GOP household!
October 16th, 2007 at 3:19 amBigfoot,
You have deeply offended me. I come from a long line of Republicans.
Shut up.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:20 amOh, and O Bigmouth, unfortunately reality has a liberal bias when it comes to malpractice suits. Keep that mind open, you might learn something!
And from the CBO
You need a new talking point O Bigmouth, this one's just been destroyed!
October 16th, 2007 at 3:28 amAlso from the CBO
October 16th, 2007 at 3:29 am
Then there's this fact.
That's right folks! The insurance companies will screw you for being sick, but doctors that malpractice pay the same costs as everyone else! If you want a reform O Bigmouth, why don't you lobby for doctors to pay premiums based on their malpractice records? That might reduce malpractice as well, what do you think, son?
October 16th, 2007 at 3:32 amAnd what did the CBO conclude - in direct conflict with O Bigmouth's unfounded claim?
So you want to do away with the only mechanism those that are injured or killed by malpractice have for restitution, even though it wouldn't help cheap 'holes like you out with your costs! Nice!
October 16th, 2007 at 3:34 amO is a Bozo. Not a single one of his claims holds water. Kind of like Bush wanting to put restraints on malpractice or tort claims. Your son loses his his leg to a known danger, he will never walk again, do you really want to limit the amount of his loss to $100,000? Of course not, no more than you would want to limit your damages for the loss of your own leg to $100,000.00 dollars. You like to ski, golf, play tennis and hike, $100,000 for the loss of a lifetime of making love to your wife? Don't think so.
A person loses their leg. What is that worth? A lot.
A whole lot.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:47 amOf course a person with one or fewer legs can still make love . . . not the point.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:51 amKindness to all. . .
Get well soon.
October 16th, 2007 at 4:34 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y_5q-lb_AE
October 16th, 2007 at 5:08 amThe Frost's are correct, the Right has lost its moral compass and its last sheds of soul.
October 16th, 2007 at 6:13 am>The facts are this:
you can't spell IntellEgent or TommArow and you still havent figured out that "accounting" and "accountability" dont mean anywhere near close to the same thing.. if you still continue to assert blatant falsities in somethign as simple as dictionary definitions how can you anyone take anything you say serously?
October 16th, 2007 at 6:23 am>My wife smokes cigarettes,
She married an inbred redneck like you, do you really think this is a woman capable of making intellEgent decisions?
October 16th, 2007 at 6:24 am>I suggest some reading of the United States Constitution to
>clear your muddled mind.
Honestly I'm surprised you can even spell "constitution"correctly on a regular basis.. pray tell, Bigfwat, where in the constitution is providing healthcare precluded?
October 16th, 2007 at 6:27 am>Constitutionally, National Defense is the responsibililty
>of the Federal Government
Right, in Bigfwats mind, any money the united states spends, anywhere other than the united states, is for the national defense, no matter how unrelated to actually defending this country that expenditures is. we need to spend some money propping up the shia dominated islamic government of iraq, that is allied with iran? national defense. we need to help kurdish terrorists? national defense.
I'm not sure what bigfoot thinks that clause in the constitution that says congress shall "promote the general welfare" means?
October 16th, 2007 at 6:36 amIf the Democrats would spend as much time working on gettng us out of Iraq as they've done on SCHIP, I'd be more impressed. If we don't end this Occupation, there will be no money left for any social programs.
October 16th, 2007 at 7:53 amUniversal health care, on the contrary, doesn’t pass Constitutional muster no matter how you spin it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:43 am
And you became a Constitutional scholar, when? Or do you mean, it doesn't pass muster because someone told you it doesn't?
I can find precedent that says it does.
Sunshine Anthracite Coal Company v. Adkins. Commerce Clause.
October 16th, 2007 at 8:30 amWow... The Republicans really shot themselves in the foot with this one. The only thing I can think of is that if the Reps don't even have brains enough to research the people they're going to smear, the only way idiots like that could get into the positions of power they have gained is because the Democrats are even bigger idiots.
How can people continue to vote for these morons?
October 16th, 2007 at 8:38 amApparently Big thinks the Constitution guarantees his wife access to cheap cigarettes, but does not guarantee children the right to affordable health care. Weird.
October 16th, 2007 at 8:43 amDump the Blue Dogs.. its people like this that prevent real Dems from getting much done...
http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=917
October 16th, 2007 at 8:55 amThe WIlkersons are the people the program was supposed to help. These rich people were never the scope and shouldn't be. We are Americans afterall and we aren't interested in Socialism.
October 16th, 2007 at 9:17 amThe Frosts didn't seem like people being "used" by the Democrats as the "conservatives" claim. Instead, they seemed like a family who benefitted greatly from the SCHIP program, and wanted many other families in their situation to benefit, as well. It seemed to me, from watching them on Countdown that they were using a platform the Democrats (and, now, Olbermann) are providing to get the word out.
The question of the constitutionality of the SCHIP program is a digression from the topic: the Frosts think the program should be expanded, and have used their own personal experience with the program to come to that conclusion.
Unless you are a troll, it doesn't take half the thread to agree with them, or agree with the current corrupt, crooked, warmongering president -- who only has 462 days left, if impeachment and removal doesn't come sooner!
October 16th, 2007 at 9:19 am>especially given our experience with how the government runs its VA >medical program.
YOUR government not mine pal. I don't recognize this government's legitimacy.
classic republican tactic.. screw things up then use those screw ups as examples of why we shouldnt get government involved. id rather have government involved in healthcare than leaving the decisions up to some corporate CEO who makes more money the less people his company covers.
ps.. i cant speak for everyone but some don't sign thier real names because we don't want to have to deal with psychopaths like the Malkin Mafia..although even calling them mafia is ascribing them more panache and mystique than they deserve.. maybe Mallkin Mauveshirts is a better title...
October 16th, 2007 at 9:58 amreich-wingers are once again on the wrong side of yet another issue. You "people" are scum.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:27 amNo family of say, 3 or 4, should get be getting government sponsered health care if they are making 40 grand a year or better.
Says who? Are you a family of 4 on 40K? 40K is barely above poverty when accounting for cost of living. You are unhinged. You are not a real American. You are a hateful vile lowlife. You hate life, you hate Americans, and you have zero compassion. You put you pathetic reich-wing party ahead of what is best for AMericans. You are despicable and should be ashamed of yourself.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:29 amSo why don’t you just come out and admit that you are socialists?
As soon as you come out and admit that you are fascists.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:36 am>The Constitution says “promote the general welfareâ€,
>it does not say “provide the general welfareâ€. For those who are too >dense to understand this…â€promote†means to allow the
> situation to exist for certain actions to occur. “Provide†means give.
Oh so now your a constitutional scholar as well? I hate to p1ss on your parade but not only are you incorrect in asserting merely a single defintion for the words "provide" and "promote", but are you also arguing against years of supreme court precedent which has in fact interpeted those constitutional provisions differently. Of course thank god know you know more than those pesky supreme court justices. Your ignorant white trash with not a day of legal education and your arguments are some of the most inane and legally unsound ive ever heard.
Also, while your dazzling us with your brillEnt display of constitional knowldge, why dont you give us an example of something that falls under the banner of "promoting the general welfare" if you think healthcare doesnt.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:36 amReich-wingers simply believe that the sanctity life of begins at conception and ends of birth. Reich-wing scum like Stalkn Malkin, Rush, and bigfoot are proof of that fact.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:38 amUniversal health care, on the contrary, doesn’t pass Constitutional muster no matter how you spin it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:43 am
Invading a country that didn't attack us doesn't, doesn’t pass Constitutional muster no matter how you spin it. Same with spying on US citizens, rendition, Gitmo, etc.,etc.,
October 16th, 2007 at 10:45 ambigfoot, what is what is being promoted is "healthiness" not "medical care",
did you ever consider this possibility?
do you think medical care helps promote the general welfare?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promote
promote
1. to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further: to promote world peace.
2. to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. (opposed to demote).
3. Education. to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
4. to aid in organizing (business undertakings).
5. to encourage the sales, acceptance, etc., of (a product), esp. through advertising or other publicity.
6. Informal. to obtain (something) by cunning or trickery; wangle.
vs.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/provide
1. to make available; furnish: to provide employees with various benefits.
2. to supply or equip: to provide the army with new fighter planes.
3. to afford or yield.
4. Law. to arrange for or stipulate beforehand, as by a provision or proviso.
5. Archaic. to prepare or procure beforehand.
–verb (used without object) 6. to take measures with due foresight (usually fol. by for or against).
7. to make arrangements for supplying means of support, money, etc. (usually fol. by for): He provided for his children in his will.
8. to supply means of support (often fol. by for): to provide for oneself.
arent you the guy thats trying to argue "Accoutant" and "Accountability" are the same thing even though thier dictionary definitions have absolutely nothing in common? please explain the logic you use to determine that "accountant" and "accountability" have interchangeable definitions but "provide" and "promote" are wholly irreconcilable..?
we['re waiting... oh, and "they are spelled almost the same" isnt a valid argument.. using that argument I could equate Iraq and Iran.. and .. oh whoops.. i guess you pretty much do equate iraq and iran.. nevermind..
October 16th, 2007 at 10:45 amsorry meant: bigfoot, what iF what is being promoted is “healthiness†not “medical careâ€,
October 16th, 2007 at 10:46 amBigfoot I think I'm getting somewhere by trying to jump into your tiny mind... I'll bet you believe that "promoting the general welfare" includes things like paying for advertisements for medical insurance companies, right? hahahahahh
October 16th, 2007 at 10:48 amand while your at it bigfoot , please explain how your definition of "general defense" means "any offensive action anywhere on the globe, no matter how far removed from our homeland"
October 16th, 2007 at 10:52 amApparently Big thinks the Constitution guarantees his wife access to cheap cigarettes, but does not guarantee children the right to affordable health care. Weird.
Comment by Candyce — October 16, 2007 @ 8:43 am
Just wait until she has a stroke, heart attack, or lung cancer, and send the family into financial ruin. O Bigfascist will probably dump her off with the homeless.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:09 amDon’t despair, you can still learn, if you are open-minded and remain teachable.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 3:01 am
You should get a gold medal for that projection.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:11 am>O Bigfascist will probably dump her off with the homeless.
at least he'll have tatertots and his television set full of free, government funded commericals for health insurance that are helping to PROMOTE the general welfare by informing people insurance is available..
October 16th, 2007 at 11:12 am"The facts are this: Over 18 and you are considered an adult. If you want those between 18 and 25 to be considered children, then they should be treated as such: None of the priveliges of adulthood should come until 25. I think a lot of 18 to 25 year olds would bristle at the idea, but I’m sure there are some who would prefer the coddling to go on a little longer.
No family of say, 3 or 4, should get be getting government sponsered health care if they are making 40 grand a year or better. Folks can pay their own, that’s what the free market is all about. It’s called personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is something most libs want to take away from people, substituting it with the nanny state."
In both the SCHIP expansion and pretty much all private medical carriers 18-23 is considered a dependant if you are a full time student. SCHIP would only cover these "phony children" to 25 if they were enrolled in a university full time. I don't see much problem with college students from lower income families utilizing this program.
As for the oft quoted family making 83,000 dollars. You may not be aware, but the amendment was to allow states such as NY to cover up to 400% the federal poverty level. If you go to salary.com, you can see that the cost of living in New York State doubles most of the country. 83,000 for a family of four here is pretty much working poor.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:13 amYawn, exactly the spectacle that the libs wanted to create. Americans are immune to this tactic, since you overplayed that hand too many times.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:36 am"In my world, a doctor’s visit would still be $30 because we wouldn’t be saddling doctors with the burden of hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans to pay back"
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:33 am
In your world, a doctor wouldn't have to pay for medical school? This is a new one. Can you expand on that a little?
October 16th, 2007 at 11:43 amNewsflash: McConnell's office admits that Don Stewart sent Oct. 8th email with lies about the Frost family to GOP and media.
Of course, this was followed by Stewart's quick disclaimer that he sent a second email saying, "My bad."
Hey Don, the damage was done. CNN's John Roberts quoted your email and started the right wing smear against the Frosts. Nine days after Stewart's email, McConnell has a scandal on his hands. Mitch is used to controlling the media and he usually gets away with lies and slurs to promote the neo-con agenda.
Not this time. Hold McConnell's feet to the fire. For more info: http://www.ditchmitchky.com. Call McC's office in DC, 1-800-828-0498, and in Louisville, 502-582-6304. Demand the truth.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:44 ambiggie.. still waiting.. whats an example of something you think the government should be able to do that validly "promotes the general welfare"...? and we know you're a brilliant constitutional scholar so please dont include anything that would fall under the commerce clause, which obviously is something completely different, otherwise they wouldnt have bothered adding the welfare clause at all..
October 16th, 2007 at 11:46 am>In your world, a doctor wouldn’t have to pay for medical school?
I know in Bigfoots world, doctors would get thier advertising paid for by the government, because its PROMOTE, not PROViDE, right bigfoot?
October 16th, 2007 at 11:52 amScum slurping ThugliCons can rot in Hell, Hell, Hell for their Sins, Sins, Sins against all that is humane and decent in this world. I spit on them, with phlem.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:39 pm