O’Reilly: Abu Ghraib Scandal Was ‘Blown Out Of Proportion’
O’Reilly: Abu Ghraib Scandal Was ‘Blown Out Of Proportion’
Last night on The O’Reilly Factor, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly did a segment criticizing the media’s coverage of the war in Iraq. He and Fox News analyst Monica Crowley claimed that the media don’t cover enough of the “good news.”
Crowley added that the media have a habit of “taking a small story about something small that happened in Iraq and amplifying it.” Her example of a “small story”? Abu Ghraib. Even O’Reilly had to admit, “That wasn’t small. … That wasn’t big.” Eventually though, O’Reilly came around and agreed, “Well, I think we all agree that that was blown out of proportion.” Watch it:
The right wing has consistently tried to downplay the atrocities at Abu Ghraib. In June, Fox and Friends host Greg Kelly said Paris Hilton’s jail time sounded “like Abu Ghraib.” In May, that same show said that a detainee was “taking advantage of being tortured” by getting media attention. Rep. Steve King (R-IA) once equated the torture at the prison to nothing more than “hazing,” and Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) compared it to a “sex ring.”
But as former Secretary of State Gen. Colin Powell has noted, the abuses at Abu Ghraib had a “terrible impact” on America’s international image and the Bush administration’s torture policies have made people around the world start to “question whether we’re following our own high standards.”
Transcript:
HOST BILL O’REILLY: But look, you’re a Democrat, and you know the world. It’s hate Bush. Get him at any term.
KIRSTEN POWERS, FOX NEWS ANALYST: I don’t know if that’s true, Bill.
O’REILLY: Do you think that’s true?
MONICA CROWLEY, FOX NEWS ANALYST: I think that members of the elite mainstream press have an ideological agenda that they have put out on the front pages and on the broadcast news and the other channels and the news weeklies since this president was inaugurated in January of ‘01.
They hated this guy. They hated this war. They still do. They are invested in this narrative that the war is a failure. Because look, it…
O’REILLY: The Washington Post put it on the front page.
CROWLEY: … it’s bad for them.
O’REILLY: OK. That’s right. If you’re looking at it from a purely political point of view, but The Washington Post put it on the front page yesterday, Sunday, that things are going better militarily in Iraq.
CROWLEY: One story. Maybe a handful of stories in about a year of things starting to get better in Iraq. I mean, after years of them bombarding the military.
You know, and I thought General Sanchez’s point about them taking a small story about something small that happened in Iraq and amplifying it. For example, Abu Ghraib, which happened on his watch.
O’REILLY: That wasn’t small.
CROWLEY: That should have been reported.
O’REILLY: That was big.
CROWLEY: But his point was that they amplified the story.
O’REILLY: Front page story. Right.
CROWLEY: They made it to smear the entire United States military and what they were doing there in the country.
O’REILLY: Well, I think we all agree that that was blown out of proportion. But it again comes back to getting Bush.
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Let’s put O’Reilly and Limbaugh through some “stress positions” and see how long they survive.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:20 pmHey, this just reminded me of the latest version of the Army’s recruiting game, America’s Army. It’s the Abu Ghraib edition.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:22 pmhttp://fukung.net/ images/ 6628/ guantanamo_wolfenstein.jpg
October 16th, 2007 at 12:23 pmWhat did Rush call it? A fraternity prank? These people are just scary.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:26 pmImagine how Fox would be braying if if Abu Ghraib had occurred under a Democratic administration.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:29 pmwhat went on in Abu Ghraib is probably considered “bedroom play” by many neocons, such as O’Reilly, Craig, etc.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:29 pm“But it again comes back to getting Bush.”
How revealing is this quote by Bill O - all they can relate to is their own tactics. If someone disagrees, “git ‘em.” Kind of explains “You’re either with us or against us,” doesn’t it? Kind of explains sliming Graeme for standing up for S-CHIP? Kind of explains the whole Rethuglican mindset.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:30 pmFor the next edition (or episode) of the Bare and Phallanced Fock Snooze I’d really like to see Coulter holding a leash attached to a naked O’Reilly.
Stack him up in a pyramind with naked Krystol, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al.
Nominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??
October 16th, 2007 at 12:30 pmWhen you’re fighting for 10′ at the front, you can’t have people giving up ground behind you. Every job requires discipline.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pmIt was such a tiny story it only prompted Rumsfeld to tender his resignation.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pmNominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??
Comment by RUCerious — October 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Fred Hiatt.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:33 pmComment by RUCerious — October 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
PULEEZE!!! Have you even thought of what that mind picture is with all those pasty white guys NAKED would look like?
Would probably get Jeff Gannon, Mark Foley, Larry Craig and Ted Haggard all hot and staemy, though.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:35 pmbroadcast news and the other channels and the news weeklies since this president was inaugurated in January of ‘01.
They hated this guy. They hated this war.
Wasn’t he at something like 75% approval after 9/11? People were heaping praise on him between 9/11 and the start of the Iraq war.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:36 pmIt was totally blown out of proportion.
That naked pyramid couldn’t have been over 5 feet tall, yet the LIBERAL media treated it like it was a 20 foot naked pyramid.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:39 pmLet’s do this to these people and see if they still think the Abu Ghraib Scandal Was ‘Blown Out Of Proportion’
October 16th, 2007 at 12:40 pmhttp://images.google.com/ images?q=Abu+Ghraib+&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Even O’Reilly had to admit, “That wasn’t small. … That wasn’t big.â€
It was a “Goldilocks Event” - just right, for the conservatives without a conscience crowd.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:40 pmPULEEZE!!! Have you even thought of what that mind picture is with all those pasty white guys NAKED would look like?
AHA! You’ve uncovered my dastardly plot to sink FockSnooze ratings permanently.
Viewers would be flocking to buy my RUC MemoryImage bleach by the railcar load.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHe is wrong, it was a Big Deal. I am glad the guards in charge where held accountable.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“blown out of proportion”…so is your intelligence. What a Scum Sucking Sick A$$ he still is.
Someone should invite Bill “0 IQ” to a little Waterboarding Fun. No, No, Bill not WaterSports, Waterboarding, you will have a great time. Or maybe a little naked guard dog play would be more of your liking?
Someone Shut this Idiot up.
Buck Fush
October 16th, 2007 at 12:42 pmNominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??
-Comment by RUCerious
Can I play?
I’d put Cheney & Alberto at the bottom, either side of Rice.
Bush has to be on top, because he really was a cheerleader.
Stick Foley & Craig in anywhere, they don’t care what or who they stick.
Feith & Wolfowitz are on leashes, pretending to attack.
Scooter is sulking in the corner; they won’t let him play anymore.
Laura is taking the picture, trying to get the big one.
McConnell & Hasturd are beside DeLay. Their job is to support anyone in the party, no questions asked.
Boner is crying, saying ‘isn’t this a beautiful thing’?
October 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pmif there was an abu ghraib madlib, it would definitely contain the line “____ was blown out of ____”; however, o’reilly’s choice of the words ’scandal’ and ‘proportion’ doesn’t reflect what was shown in those abu ghraib pictures.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pmI know this is off the subject, but ladies, gentlemen, and especially, soliders, sharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons because we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia. We cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD’s nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations, http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ europe/ 10/ 16/ putin.iran/ index.html.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pmSquegeeboo sez:
I’ve misplaced my copy of the KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation manual, Squegee…maybe you can look this up for me. How tall does the naked pyramid have to be before it is objectionable?
October 16th, 2007 at 12:44 pmThat naked pyramid couldn’t have been over 5 feet tall, yet the LIBERAL media treated it like it was a 20 foot naked pyramid.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 16, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
If the pyramid had been formed with Haggard, Gannon, Craig, and a same number of their friends, the pyramid may indeed have “risen” to that level.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:44 pmZimzone ~ nice touch..er, comments!
October 16th, 2007 at 12:44 pmIt was totally blown out of proportion.
If they think this was damaging to have running in our news coverage, image how many times more damaging it was to have running the news all over the middle east.
It’s VERY short sighted and ego-centric to be spending so much time worrying about how that story played over here in the US, when the real damage was done over ther in the middle east.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pmSure disgracing the reputation of this nation to the rest of the world is no big deal. The dimwits on the right never bother to notice that the rest of the world finds out about the crap we pull even if the American public doesn’t. And while all the right wingnuts might believe that “we don’t torture” the rest of the world, especially after seeing the pictures, pretty much knows that we do.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pmsharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons because we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia.
Uh, no Daredevil. We aren’t going to war with Iran, Russia or anyone else, because if we did, we’d get our asses handed to us.
Wake up, moron. We haven’t got an army anymore, your leader broke it.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pmDaryll
Your link, it is bad, you have a period at the end, and extra spacing after each slashy
October 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pmsharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Why, Daryll, when did you start “talking dirty”?
October 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWe cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD’s nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations
Funny, I just heard Putin say that, about us…
October 16th, 2007 at 12:47 pmMonica Crowley thinks that Abu Ghraib is “a small story about something small that happened in Iraq”. In other words, to her it was doubly small. Yet she probably thinks that John McCain being able to buy a woven rug in a Baghdad market with four military helicopters hovering overhead is a giant story.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:47 pmIt’s VERY short sighted and ego-centric to be spending so much time worrying about how that story played over here in the US, when the real damage was done over ther in the middle east. -Comment by DigDug
O’Really short sighted & ego-centric? Say it ain’t so!
October 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmTripMaster Monkey
How tall does the naked pyramid have to be before it is objectionable?
Unfortunately, the manual was printed using metric units, which are an affront to god, so you’ll have to play it by ear.
By ear meaning, of course, that if the naked stack reaches your ear level, it then become objectionable. But only if the stack is white in color, otherwise it’s just another Tuesday.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmBTW daryll, this thread is about steamy sleazy naked pyramid builing.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmWant to join in?
>What did Rush call it? A fraternity prank?
Right, the issue of “consent” only being a minor distinction that isnt important in Rush’s drug addled mind.
Its similar to arguing that “rape” is the same thing as “consensual sex after dinner and a movie” because the act is similar… try that one out in court and see how far it gets ya!
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ meast/ 10/ 16/ dad.blackwater/ index.html
“Dad: Blackwater blew up son’s and wife’s ’skulls’”
heartwarming story eh? the kind of stuff that definitely, no way would it spawn more terrorists or other people who hate our guts…
October 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmSaid pyramid has been stalled while Mr. Craig uses the restroom…back in about 2 hours.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:50 pmSo war with Russia/Iran gets you all excited Daryll you dim witted buffoon. Do you forget that China will be on the side of Russia and Iran? You probably didn’t. Your probably going out shopping for you “rapture ready” outfit. How many years has it been since Germany was a world power? Well we’ll all be long gone before the US ever regains any world power one you chickenshit chickenhawks destroy the nation with your money grabbing wars.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pm>we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia.
you wish you sick biblehumping apocalypse lusting closetcase with a whore for a wife.
for the record daryll, amgageddon is something we’re prefer to avoid, yes or no?
October 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pm>Your probably going out shopping
> for you “rapture ready†outfit.
Black Latex. He’s waiting for Haggard to take him away on the “not gay today” bus….
October 16th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI know this is off the subject, but ladies, gentlemen, and especially, soliders, sharpen your k-bars and oil your weapons because we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia. We cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD’s nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations, http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ europe/ 10/ 16/ putin.iran/ index.html.
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Right, Daryll, you skank coward. Oil your weapon, is the K-Y handy? If y8ou are called upon to defend us, i will start learning Russian.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pm>we are on the verge of war with Iran/Russia.
you wish you sick biblehumping apocalypse lusting closetcase with a whore for a wife.
for the record daryll, amgageddon is something we’re prefer to avoid, yes or no?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 16, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
October 16th, 2007 at 12:55 pm>How tall does the naked pyramid
> have to be before it is objectionable?
Pentagon lawyers will have an answer to that one shortly, only reason it hasnt been done already is that Senator Craig bogarted all the research materials..
October 16th, 2007 at 12:56 pmDaryll sez:
That’s not an answer, Daryll…that’s an evasion.
Answer the question.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:57 pmThis whole not enough “good news” business- you can put all the bleach in the world on a bloodstain, it doesn’t really get rid of the evidence. Right, Gil Grissom of CSI?
October 16th, 2007 at 12:57 pmImagine for a moment American soldiers being captured by Islamic militants and being subjected to the exact same treatment.
Billdo and the like would describe “them” as savages and call for an immediate nuclear strike on the entire middle east.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pm>It is hard to defeat the inevitable
Nice dodge, thats not what I asked. I asked whether trying to delay it as long as possible is a noble cause….
October 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmBlown out of proportion? Would it be blown out of proportion if a foreign occupying army had done this “hazing” to American prisoners? Americans would be outraged, and rightly so. Yet when Iraqis are outraged at seeing their own treated in such a humiliating manner (regardless of what crimes the prisoners may or may not have committed), we just suggest they are overreacting.
Oh, the right will say it’s OK, because “at least we weren’t beheading them like they were doing to us.” Everything’s relative.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll
Assuming any of it’s actually true…
October 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
And THIS is why you Christian fundamentalists are more dangerous to this country than any Islamic fundie will ever be. If you are so ready to meet your maker why don’t you go fight in Iraq and do one thing honorable with your life. Or you could do it this way you do everything else you coward punk and just shoot yourself.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:59 pm>Imagine for a moment American soldiers
> being captured by Islamic militants
> and being subjected to the exact same treatment.
Nice lame attempt at sarcasm Vat…
What in gods name does this have to do with torturing potentially innocent people? Using your assanine inference, we’d make arguments like “imagine for a moment that criminals break the law”…. duh! Does that mean there should be no laws because criminals dont abide by them?
Arent we supposed to be bettter than them? Isnt this sort of thing supposed to be what separates them from us? Arent we totally unconcerned about torturing innocent people?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:01 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Nothjing in that foolish book is inevitable. You goons have been standing around waiting for god to appear for 20 centuries. idiot.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:01 pmAccording to Seymour Hersh, who broke the Abu Ghraib story, there are even worse pictures and video than has yet been seen publicly. Hersh says there is a video of a guard sodomizing an Iraqi woman.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
After you’re raptured, can we have your stuff?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by Chocolate Jesus — October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
October 16th, 2007 at 1:03 pm—————————
You totally missed my point. I’m on your side!
It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
It is hard to defeat the willful ignorance of Talibani Christian-istas such as yourself and the suicidal push for world war by you phucking idiots.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:07 pmAfter you’re raptured, can we have your stuff?
Comment by Candyce — October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I’d like his phony meaningless CIS diploma from Oral Roberts University!
My trash can needs a new liner.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:08 pmNice lame attempt at sarcasm Vat…
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
Why are you attacking Vet?
His post was correct. And he is on your side, I may point out.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:09 pmComment by Chocolate Jesus — October 16, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
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You totally missed my point. I’m on your side!
Comment by Vet
Hehe.. yeah, to me it sounded like Vet was pointing out that Billo and his friends would probably go BERZERK if that pyramid/gay/leash type stuff was done to our soldiers.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:09 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
After you’re raptured, can we have your stuff?
Comment by Candyce — October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:09 pmHehe.. yeah, to me it sounded like Vet was pointing out that Billo and his friends would probably go BERZERK if that pyramid/gay/leash type stuff was done to our soldiers.
Comment by DigDug — October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
October 16th, 2007 at 1:10 pm—————————
That’s exactly what I meant. I thought it was pretty clear, but I guess not!
>You totally missed my point. I’m on your side!
its so hard to tell these days..
October 16th, 2007 at 1:10 pmCrowley is pathetic. She wants to hear good stories like the US embassy that is 14 million dollars over budget and rising, or the newly built schools that have explosives built into the foundation, or the newly built power grid that can only accomodate less than 8hrs of electricity per day, or the newly created water treatment in Basra that is contaminated with cholera. Perhaps she meant “other” good things.
What a ditz!
October 16th, 2007 at 1:10 pmDaryll,
Go pray for Bush or oil your weapon or something. Just go away. We all know where you’re going with this (daryll’s distorted biblical ruminations).
October 16th, 2007 at 1:11 pmGladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll
Won’t your wife mind the 70 virgins? Or am I getting my extremist religios movements mixed up?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:11 pmMEMO:
From: Faux News
To: All reich wing pundits, commentators and interested nitwits.
RE: Pyramid building
You are cordially invited to the filming of the upcoming episode of Faux News in which Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin dominate the naked white boy club members.
Please be advised that no clothing is not optional.
You may bring your own collar, leash, and whip if desired.
Thank you for your prurient interest in this matter.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:11 pmGladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
October 16th, 2007 at 1:12 pm—————————
Do the let Sunday-Morning-Christians into Heaven? If not, the place won’t be very crowded.
After you’re raptured, can we have your stuff?
Comment by Candyce — October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I’d like his phony meaningless CIS diploma from Oral Roberts University!
My trash can needs a new liner.
Comment by RUCerious — October 16, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
It is people like you that are attacking are beloved Chancellor, President Richard Roberts for making accountable transactions. God’s people will always be persecuted until he returns.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pmno longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
This I never got. If you don’t need material shit, why all the references to pearls, gold, etc, which are clearly symbols of materialism..
Dufi (plural of dufus) work in mysterious ways.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pmCrowley is pathetic. She wants to hear good stories like the US embassy that is 14 million dollars over budget and rising, or the newly built schools that have explosives built into the foundation, or the newly built power grid that can only accomodate less than 8hrs of electricity per day, or the newly created water treatment in Basra that is contaminated with cholera. Perhaps she meant “other†good things.
What a ditz!
Comment by Trizza
hehe… maybe the real problem is that there just aren’t that many good stories.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pmHow tall does the naked pyramid
have to be before it is objectionable?
You been to Egypt before? Valley of the Kings? There’s a pyramid. Abu Ghraib didn’t have no pyramids, that was just Mark Foley’s yoga class.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pmI have a new term for war mongers, like Daryll - hemosexuals, meaning people who get aroused by spilling others’ blood.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:14 pmIt is people like you that are attacking are beloved Chancellor, President Richard Roberts for making accountable transactions. God’s people will always be persecuted until he returns.
BWAHAHA!
how many actual IT courses were you required to take, not counting religion, or other courses? How many core classes and how many electives?
Your degree program is a joke, just like your IT education.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:14 pmDaryll sez:
It’s always a scream when Fundies go on about Heaven as a tangible location, furnished with materials precious on Earth. Gets me every time.
Daryll, are you going to answer CJ’s question now?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:14 pmOh, the right will say it’s OK, because “at least we weren’t beheading them like they were doing to us.†Everything’s relative.
Comment by missmolly — October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Abu Graibh was NOT okay. It was immoral, and an obscene betrayal of what America stands for. Those who commited the acts stood trial. General Sanchez, the new hero of the Left for coming out against the war, saw his career ended by it. It might be the single most damaging PR event of the entire Iraq conflict.
That said, Molly, what was done at AG really does pale in comparison to SOP for AQ when they catch one of our guys alive. I don’t think we want to minimize the true differences between our treatment of prisoners and AQ’s, at least not if we are shooting for intellectual honesty.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:15 pmFox Network is acting as a the law offices of GOP.
“Loofah” O’Reilly and his friend Crowely attacking the media again .!!!
What media?
The media is owned by big companies. If the media was fair and honest in their reporting from start, we would not be now in Iraq.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:15 pmBut the media was drumming for war with Iraq & Saddam from start. And they are doing it now for another planned Iran’s adventure.
Crowley has no evidence to back up her claims, as usual…she just makes general accusations,and gives justifications of the Iraq debacle we are in now, by again blaming the media,but not the people who got us involved in this Iraqi war from start.
Gladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Drink much more of that koolaide and you won’t have to wait for the mythical, made-up by a crazy American preacher, “Rapture”.
I used to believe in Santa Claus too, but one day I grew up.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:15 pmGladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
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Do the let Sunday-Morning-Christians into Heaven? If not, the place won’t be very crowded.
Comment by Vet — October 16, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
It will not be crowded. The bible reflects that very few will make it through the kingdom of Heaven. Only those who are loyal and faithful to God and follow his biblical principles will see the kindom of Heaven.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWhy will you need pearls and gold in paradise, Daryll, kindly explain why you cling to material symbols after death?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:17 pmIt will not be crowded. The bible reflects that very few will make it through the kingdom of Heaven. Only those who are loyal and faithful to God and follow his biblical principles will see the kindom of Heaven.
Comment by Daryll
The rest God in his infinite mercy and wisdom and fatherly love will send to hell where they will be tortured for eternity. Sounds perfectly just to me.
/extreme sarc off
October 16th, 2007 at 1:18 pmwhere the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll
Dorita?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:19 pmBlown out of proportion… Geez, small minds for small genitals. Too much koolaid has been added to his Neo-Con Krispies cereal. Send Falafel King, Vampire Kristol, Rash Limpballs, and the other neo-cons to Abu Ghraib with a one way ticket with no return.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:19 pmWe’re still waiting for an answer to Chocolate Jesus’ question, Daryll…
October 16th, 2007 at 1:19 pmCan’t wait to see if Daryll responds to the Faux News memo at #64…
October 16th, 2007 at 1:20 pm>It is hard to defeat the inevitable
Nice dodge, thats not what I asked. I asked whether trying to delay it as long as possible is a noble cause….
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Yes, we should try to delay the end, but per the bible, regardless of how you feel, war and damnation will occur on this earth. Iran is a threat to Israel as well as western civilization. We must prevent them from causing harm to others. Didn’t the Iranian President want to wipe out Israel (God’s chosen people)?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:20 pmO’Reilly: Abu Ghraib Scandal Was ‘Blown Out Of Proportion
Because they are not white. Who are the barbarians?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pmGladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Of course there’s always a chance you’ll be burning in hell for advocated the deaths of millions of innocent people because you believe some crap written by some goons 600 years ago instead of the things Jesus really advocated 2,000 years ago. Better bring your Speedo in case it’s really hot.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll
Oh you are such an idiot, the Bible was writen by MAN not GOD, GOD does not exist, it is made up, a faerie tale, like Santa Clause, tooth faerie etc. Your sick wish for the end of times is just that, SICK. I have seen your posts and you are SICK in the HEAD.
Go back to your closet with your stinking bible and flog yourself till you passout.
Buck Fush
October 16th, 2007 at 1:24 pmDidn’t the Iranian President want to wipe out Israel (God’s chosen people)?
Ummm, no. He was commenting on what an Imam had said…
“The Imam [Khomenei] said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,†were paralleled with the fall of regimes like the Soviet Union and Iran’s former U.S.-installed monarchy
October 16th, 2007 at 1:24 pmIt is people like you that are attacking are beloved Chancellor, President Richard Roberts for making accountable transactions. God’s people will always be persecuted until he returns.
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Uh, Daryll, you must have mistaken us for people who give a shit about your beloved chancellor. How effing dumb and/or crazy are you nutwad?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:24 pmIsrael (God’s chosen people)?
Comment by Daryll
I’ve always wondered about this… why is one ethnic group ‘chosen’ by God? What does it mean to be ‘chosen’? Is it easier for them to get into heaven? God just likes them better? What?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmGo back to your closet with your stinking bible and flog yourself till you passout.
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy — October 16, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Buckie, he might just have too much fun doing that…
October 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmDidn’t the Iranian President want to wipe out Israel (God’s chosen people)?
Comment by Daryll
No, that’s a scam.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmDaryll sez:
How so, Daryll? Quantify the threat.
No, he did not. That’s a misquote you deluded Fundies have seized upon, and like a rabid pit bull, refuse to drop.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmHowza bout filling us in on your Information Technology courses, come on, D, let us know what you studied!!
October 16th, 2007 at 1:26 pmAs much as I hate Bill. He’s right in this issue. A lot of Troofers and Moonbats think the call to mess with these Iraqi detainees came from up high, that make no sense considering the fact that these detainees were not important Al Qaida leaders or anything like that. There was no reason to make them talk - they had nothing to talk about. Unless you think that America tortures people just for fun, and films it.
I’m just glad we got the people where were really responsible for this and put them in jail.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:28 pmHmmm. I don’t see Generals or Colonels or Majors or Captains in jail…
October 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pmHmmmm…
As much as I hate Bill.
Comment by spankbot — October 16, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Starting a comment with a lie, what a jackass! You are so obviously an O’Reilly lover it’s pathetic. We read your posts yesterday spanky and know that you are a devout follower of Bill and Rush and the rest of Fox. Try leading with one truth next time like I am a total ass.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:32 pmGladly, my wife and I will no longer need our wordly material. We will be in a place where there is no pain or suffering. We will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll
Without being disrespectfull to your religion, you are wrong. When you and your lovely wife die - that is it. You will be put into a box and placed in the ground. Once in the ground, you will decompose and fade away as the actions and chemistry slowly bring your body back into the earth from where it came. No pearls, no trumpets, no gold, no angels, no nothing.
God is a rumor started thousands of years ago to placate the masses and allow the King to appear mightier than the mere mortal he truly was. Religion is a sham perpetrated on those who value authority. Besides, if you support this adminstration and its war, you are going against what the Pope has said - the war is wrong. It seems confusing to those of us who think for ourselves how you can be a warmonger, yet wrap yourself in the words of an almighty - who stands for peace.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:33 pmI’m just glad we got the people where were really responsible for this and put them in jail.
Comment by spankbot
Well, I’m glad your fine with it. Now if all those muslims all over the middle east were just fine with it…
October 16th, 2007 at 1:33 pmA fraternity prank?
Ummm … not sure what fraternity these guys were in, but mine sure as hell didn’t involve electrodes to the genitals, naked dogpiles, and beatings resulting in death.
Lots of drinking? Yes. Some weed? Uh … I think so. ;-)
But torture? Not so much …
What stuns me is what is so rarely reported about Abu Grahib: Most of the prisoners weren’t “terrorists” or fighters, but just regular civilian criminals.
Not sure why they gets left out so often — if our media were so liberal, you’d think they’d flog to death since it makes the whole thing even worse (if that’s even possible).
October 16th, 2007 at 1:33 pmHow about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the other officers that OK’d it?????
I don’t see them in jail.
Comment by RemoveBush — October 16, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
So you know for a fact someone came to these three and said “we’d like permission to stack naked prisoners in a pyramid”?
Sanchez was the top guy in Iraq and his career was derailed. The woman general….name not coming up….was punished, possibly demoted or cashiered, again, long time ago. SOME of the perps are serving time, I do not know nor do I claim to know if all the guilty were punished, and I suspect you don’t either.
But that is besides my actual point - how did AQ’s version of JAG punish their guys for beheading and dismembering our guys? Answer: They didn’t, they extolled their virtues. I know we are better than that, and I said AG was an obscence betrayal, but I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us. It is a huge pet peeve of mine, I don’t know that was what Molly was driving at, it just seemed fair to put things in perspective.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:35 pmWe will reside in a place where the gates are made of pearls and the streets are paved with gold.
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
We’re going to Disneyland!
October 16th, 2007 at 1:39 pmSo Daryll, any words on your incorrect assumption that Iran´s President (which is not the most influent guy in his country, BTW) said that Israel should be wiped off the map?
Daryll??
mmm…I guess not.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:40 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
A 2,000-year old political diatribe about the evils, arrogance and eventual downfall of the Roman Empire is not a valid reason to go to war in the year 2007. Moreover, nothing is inevitable save death. Nothing.
You and yours falling for something like an apocalypse being “inevitable” is called a SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY. You and yours are actively working towards making something that is utterly NOT inevitable come to fruition nonetheless. Your actions, the steady beat of the war drums, the violent rhetoric, the FEAR that is palpable in your every post, is the true evil.
YOU are the enemy in our midst, Daryll. Everything you are doing is leading towards the downfall of America. The path you wish us to take leads towards nothing but ill. If we continue to be an aggressive imperial power, the rest of the world will be forced to take us down more than a few notched, as they did with the Axis Powers in WWII.
The apocalypse has been “absolutely assured” and will occur “within our lifetime” for nearly 2,000 years. Every turn of every century, every turn of every millenium, every major celestial event, every rare occurance, every drought, every blight, every disease, every single damned thing that ever happens is “evidence” that the end is night. The “apocalypse” will never, ever occur without the aid of people like you.
You are the enemy who comes to us draped in the flag, and wielding the crucifix.
Stop attempting to destroy the world because you think (without one iota of evidence) that some invisible dude in the sky wishes it to occur. It is your FEAR of DEATH, and your utter lack of knowledge of what happens after we ALL DIE that drives your irrational behavior.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pmWe’re going to Disneyland!
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 16, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Actually, yes, next week!
October 16th, 2007 at 1:44 pmbut I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us. It is a huge pet peeve of mine, I don’t know that was what Molly was driving at, it just seemed fair to put things in perspective.
Comment by Keltoi — October 16, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
AQ is fully justified in treating INVADERS the way they do. There is no moral equivalency: the US is wrong, completely and utterly. Al Qaeda is just a convenient title for you losers to create another bogey-man for your daddy-figures to scare you with. Especially given the sociopathy eveident in the wingnutoshpere; there is no problem imagining Americans treating invaders the same way, beheading them in front of video cameras. We have all seen the photos of lynchings here in America, as we have seen what little the Bush regime will allow of our crimes in the Middle East, and of Blackwater’s treatment at the hands of the mob, fully deserved, and not even surprising. Your American exceptionalism is in your imagination only, not in the real world.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:45 pmAnd what stopped O’Reilly and Crowley from telling us about the ‘good things’ that the media is hiding from us in Iraq, if they know about them…? !!
October 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pmKeltoi sez:
Would you be OK with moral equivalence drawn between us and the Khmer Rouge?
…because the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding.
Sorry, Keltoi, but if the moral equivalent fits…
October 16th, 2007 at 1:58 pm*laughs at Daryll*
But…Daryll. The world CAN’T end yet. The Rockies still have to win the World Series first! :) :) :)
October 16th, 2007 at 1:59 pmEventually though, O’Reilly came around and agreed, “Well, I think we all agree that that was blown out of proportion.â€
Billo is being his usual arrogant self. “we all agree”? Who is his “all”? As far as I can tell it’s just him and the 28%ers. Everyone else in the world thought it was a very big deal. As a matter of fact, I think that we barely scratched the surface of what a scandal it was. We never did get to the bottom of where the orders came from. The only people who paid a price for that scandal were Janet Karpinski (the military’s “fall guy”) and a few grunts.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:00 pmFor the next edition (or episode) of the Bare and Phallanced Fock Snooze I’d really like to see Coulter holding a leash attached to a naked O’Reilly.
Stack him up in a pyramind with naked Krystol, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al.
Nominations for additional pyramid stackers, anyone??
Comment by RUCerious
Now that’s a real visual. You forgot the queen of mean, Michelle Malkin. I think she should be on the top of the pyramid exposed for the world to see.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:02 pmbilbo, see post #64…
October 16th, 2007 at 2:03 pm“It is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll — October 16, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
After you’re raptured, can we have your stuff?
Comment by Candyce — October 16, 2007 @ 1:02 pm”
i got dibs on the Van Impe l.p.’s.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:04 pmWe cannot allow rogue nations to create WMD’s nor will we tolerate nations who support and aide these sadistic nations, http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ europe/ 10/ 16/ putin.iran/ index.html.
Comment by Daryll
That’s correct Right Wing Loon Darryl, we can’t allow rogue nations (the USA) to create or have WMD’s (like we already have) to aid our own sadistic nation.
Darryl, you are the king of bloviating. I think you out bloviate Billo. Now you are calling Iran a “sadistic nation”. What makes them so? Do they torture the people they capture (we do). Are they suppressing the rights and freedom of their people (we do)?
October 16th, 2007 at 2:05 pmDaryll ~ TP comic relief extraordinaire!
October 16th, 2007 at 2:08 pmIt is hard to defeat the inevitable (Revelations).
Comment by Daryll
Right Wing Loon Darryl, I have news for you. There is no way in hell you will make it to heaven. They will slam the door in your face and tell you to go where you belong, and that’s straight to hell. Heaven is not open to black-hearted war mongers.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThat said, Molly, what was done at AG really does pale in comparison to SOP for AQ when they catch one of our guys alive. I don’t think we want to minimize the true differences between our treatment of prisoners and AQ’s, at least not if we are shooting for intellectual honesty.
Comment by Keltoi
Ok, that’s what is wrong with this situation. AG was bad but AQ’s worse, so we can dismiss AG as being a problem. And I have a question for you Right Wing Loon Keltoi, how do you know that we don’t behead our prisoners? How do you know what we do to them? Do you have proof that we don’t do it? Just because we don’t behead them and then show their heads on TV doesn’t mean we don’t do it.
Then, of course, we can just blow their heads off like Blackwater did in their recent massacre. I wonder how many new terrorists that incident made?
October 16th, 2007 at 2:16 pmKeltoi sez:
but I am always aggravated when there is any moral equivalent drawn between AQ and us.
Would you be OK with moral equivalence drawn between us and the Khmer Rouge?
…because the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding.
Sorry, Keltoi, but if the moral equivalent fits…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 16, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Sure Trip, we are just like the Khmer Rogue. They were fond of pyramids too. But instead of naked prisoners who were later released, their pyramids were formed from the dessicated skulls of their thousands upon thousands of victims. Yep, morally equivalent alright.
Hey - did you hear about the 600-1200 Iraqi civilians who died because of the US yesterday (and the day before, and the day before, all the way back to 2003?) to keep working away at that millions of Iraqi dead figure you are always citing?
Neither did I.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:22 pmHey - did you hear about the 600-1200 Iraqi civilians who died because of the US yesterday (and the day before, and the day before, all the way back to 2003?) to keep working away at that millions of Iraqi dead figure you are always citing?
Neither did I.
Comment by Keltoi — October 16, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Ummm, no, I believe it is millions DISPLACED (to Syria alone), and hundreds of thousands dead. Do you really think that 60-100 dead Iraqis a day even make the paper any more? But just keep denying the results of this amoral war, I’m sure that it will NEVER come back to haunt us. At least Bush has also taken an interest in killing American children by vetoing S-CHIP, just to even things out a little bit.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:31 pmDaryll, just what if, you are wrong? What if, when you die, you are told that you have to come back and live as an Iraqi or a Palestinian? What will you do then? Become a mujahedeen? Will you then think it is O.K. to kill or torture Americans or Israelis? How can you be sure that you are right and the rest of the planet (except the Muslim extremists) are wrong?
October 16th, 2007 at 2:37 pmOk, that’s what is wrong with this situation. AG was bad but AQ’s worse, so we can dismiss AG as being a problem. Comment by bilbobaggins — October 16, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
My God, Bilbo, you are raving. I have said repeatedly AG was horrible and never said it should be dismissed.
And as for this little gem
>>And I have a question for you Right Wing Loon Keltoi, how do you know that we don’t behead our prisoners? How do you know what we do to them? Do you have proof that we don’t do it? Just because we don’t behead them and then show their heads on TV doesn’t mean we don’t do it.
How do you know we don’t buy them all paid vacations to a spa in Hawaii? What happened to showing your proof? I can’t prove the negative. If I said something like what you posted above but in a way that was complimentary toward the US I’d get laughed off this site. Take a breath.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThe world CAN’T end yet. The Rockies still have to win the World Series first! :) :) :)
Comment by Jeremy in Denver
Jeremy, you are a no-class punk!
Go Tribe!
October 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThere were no “atrocities†committed at Abu Graib. -o.Bigfoot
Clever saying, El Righto. How’s it feel to lie in broad daylight? Oh, you’re used to it? I guess that explains it.
‘New Mexico. Cleaner than Old Mexico.’ Home of O. Bigfoot, too!
October 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pm…because the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding.
Sorry, Keltoi, but if the moral equivalent fits…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 16, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Sure Trip, we are just like the Khmer Rogue. They were fond of pyramids too. But instead of naked prisoners who were later released, their pyramids were formed from the dessicated skulls of their thousands upon thousands of victims. Yep, morally equivalent alright.
Comment by Keltoi
We haven’t done everything the Khmer Rogue did, but that’s not what Tripmaster said was it? He said “the torture method of choice of both organizations is waterboarding”.
This country does waterboarding too doesn’t it? Moral equivalent.
If you don’t like it: complain to the elected officials that you support, not us. We’re the ones trying to stop it.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:44 pmUmmm, no, I believe it is millions DISPLACED (to Syria alone), and hundreds of thousands dead. Do you really think that 60-100 dead Iraqis a day even make the paper any more?
Comment by robbez_92107 — October 16, 2007 @ 2:31 pm\
Ummmmm, no, as Trip would say “educate yourself”
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/ iraq/ iraqdeaths.html?directory_KEY=104
But I say that tongue in cheek because this site is BS, but Trip firmly believes at least a million and possibly millions of Iraqis have died as a result of the war. I did the math, that comes out to 600 (1 million) to 1200 (2 million) dead Iraqis every single day from March 20, 2003 to today.
And yes, 60-100 dead Iraqis would make the paper. My local paper had an AP story this Sunday that said 4 Iraqis died nationwide on Saturday. This is why the million dead figure is so ludicrous.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pmKeltoi sez:
Nice attempt to derail the debate with shocking imagery.
I can do shocking imagery, too.
Not shocking enough? Here’s some more.
Now that we’re all sufficiently shocked, care to comment on my original point about the torture method of choice of both the U.S. and the Khmer Rouge being waterboarding? Or would you rather just concede the point and move on?
Thank you for illustrating that the MSM is not doing its job in getting the truth to the American people.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:50 pmHow about Limbaugh and O’Reilly naked with a couple hungry German Shepards (Dogs, that is) that simply love to snack on Kielbasa and Knackwurst?
October 16th, 2007 at 2:55 pm“It will not be crowded. The bible reflects that very few will make it through the kingdom of Heaven. Only those who are loyal and faithful to God and follow his biblical principles will see the kindom of Heaven.
Comment by Daryll
Give me a F***ing break!! A stupid, violent book, written by a bunch of woman haters. And I just love the ending……Monsters coming out of the sea, burning grass and forests, seven trumpets blaring the end of time and space. Ah yes, no wonder you Right Wingers love that Rag.
Personally, I would take Peyote Buttons, A sweat lodge with Native Americans, and maybe some quotes from the Essene Gospel.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:01 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Not worth a reply.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pm>>Now that we’re all sufficiently shocked, care to comment on my original point about the torture method of choice of both the U.S. and the Khmer Rouge being waterboarding? Or would you rather just concede the point and move on?
Sure - as soon as you concede that AQ is not the Khmer Rogue and KR was an original birdwalk introduced by yourself. Hell, I’d be overjoyed if AQ would mellow out and adopt waterboarding as their tactic. It beats a blowtorch to the eye or a power drill to just about anything.
Hey - did you hear about the 600-1200 Iraqi civilians who died because of the US yesterday (and the day before, and the day before, all the way back to 2003?) to keep working away at that millions of Iraqi dead figure you are always citing?
Neither did I.
Thank you for illustrating that the MSM is not doing its job in getting the truth to the American people.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 16, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
Spare me. You really think this is happening but the MSM is just so supportive of Bush they are not telling us? Does that seem credible?
October 16th, 2007 at 3:07 pmRemoveBush sez:
Yes, isn’t that interesting… Kinda like how exit polls, which were previously the gold standard for predicting outcomes of elections, suddenly became “bogus” in 2000.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:07 pm“Club Gitmo” - sounds like a perfect place for O. Foot in mouth to go on holiday with the wife and little Rethugs.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:08 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Not worth a reply.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 16, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Really talking to Bigfool and Daryll and Kelpy is like teaching a preschool class. Only difference is preschoolers might actually understand and learn something at the end of the day. The trolls are just tiresome.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThis makes the numbers very VALID and factual! But it will be some time before we have the actual numbers as Bush is not going to provide them!
Maybe when he is being tried at the Hague, we will know the real numbers?
Comment by RemoveBush — October 16, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Well, if they do wind up at the Hague you better hope the UN isn’t involved in their prosecution since the UN itself says about 70,000 Iraqis have died. I guess the UN is in the tank for Bush, too.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pmReally talking to Bigfool and Daryll and Kelpy is like teaching a preschool class. Only difference is preschoolers might actually understand and learn something at the end of the day. The trolls are just tiresome.
Comment by Shayne — October 16, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
Wow. I am skewered by the power of your argument.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pmSpare me. You really think this is happening but the MSM is just so supportive of Bush they are not telling us? Does that seem credible?
Comment by Keltoi — October 16, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Guess you haven’t heard the interviews with tweety lately? That’s exactly what’s happening for the most part. There are scattered reports that do talk to this, but you wouldn’t hear them. Being a Fox Noise machine listener - right?
Most of the media, including the MSM tells very little about what happens in Iraq. You can go view foreign (European) media if you want more details. You won’t get it here!
October 16th, 2007 at 3:11 pmWow. I am skewered by the power of your argument.
Comment by Keltoi — October 16, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
No, you are skewered by your willful ignorance, you are only enlightened by our arguments - yet you remain in the dark because of that willfulness.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWow, some of you left wing loons are really out there. Of course we don’t behead our prisoners…you think with a rabid anti-Bush left wing press digging into every corner, and a vocal Democrat Congress just looking for ways to put a lock on the next election, they couldn’t come up with a story like that?
Congress is still looking for proof that Bush lied us into war in order to back up their tired old unproven campaign rhetoric, and havn’t come up wth anything yet…but they’ll keep trying.
Instead, we send our prisoners to places like Club Gitmo, where they get better fed, better clothed, and better housed than most of them have been in their lives. They live in better conditions than many of our active duty troops, and get more freedoms to practice their religion than our troops do as well…after all, we don’t want to offend the Iraqis with our Christian beliefs, do we?
But prisoners at Gitmo can spit on and throw feces on the guards with impunity and the guards clean up the mess and get everything spiffed up before prayer time…
Comment by O. Bigfoot
I will comment on this Bizarro BigFart, though Tripmaster.
No the USA does not behead them, just tortures, shocks, shoots, freezes, and stomps. Much better!!??
No proof Bush lied? Where are the WMD’s? Congress is so busy with each new Un-Constitutional Scandal, that there is a laundry list they have to sort through. The new lie/scam is Iran, and Russia is flexing it’s muscles. You now know the USA will not attack Iran. Bullies do not like to pick on people or countries their own size.
Gitmo is a hell hole. I guess Ripe Limburger was down there for a visit, and was fed some Kosher Pork Chops. Here is another account from Gitmo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3706050.stm
October 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWell, if they do wind up at the Hague you better hope the UN isn’t involved in their prosecution since the UN itself says about 70,000 Iraqis have died. I guess the UN is in the tank for Bush, too.
Comment by Keltoi — October 16, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
The UN count is the official Iraqi government count. They didn’t do a separate analysis, as the UN isn’t in Iraq. Remember, they left because it was too violent!
October 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmWhy do the nuts like bigfoot think that because there are primitive people with primitive ways, it makes it ok for us to do the same things.
Two wrongs make us right?
So if another culture executes fornicators, it’d be ok for us to do that too?
October 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmKeltoi sez:
Very well, AQ is not the Khmer Rouge. For the record, I never claimed they were the same organization.
Your characterization of waterboarding as “mellow” showcases your shocking ignorance regarding waterboarding. Why exactly do you think that the Khmer Rouge, an organization that, according to you, formed pyramids “from the dessicated skulls of their thousands upon thousands of victims”, used waterboarding as their torture method of choice? Hmm?
Funny you should mention power drills…
See RemoveBush’s post #134. Can you dispute the methodology, or can you not?
October 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmSee RemoveBush’s post #134. Can you dispute the methodology, or can you not?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — October 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
We have argued and argued this, Trip, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look at who is on the board of Just Foreign Policy and see some very far left people who have an agenda to advance.
Please don’t take this as a concession, it is simply recognizing we have had this duel several times and I am bored with rehashing it. I am sorry I brought it up again. You want to believe 1200 Iraqis died today because of us and no one but Julian Bonds, Tom Hayden et al know about it, fine.
I watch all three cable outlets, PBS, CSPAN, have 10 different international new sites bookmarked and come HERE, of all places! As well as Media Matters and Kos! Please don’t accuse me of narrow media intake, if I took in anymore my eyes would pop out.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmInstead, we send our prisoners to places like Club Gitmo, where they get better fed, better clothed, and better housed than most of them have been in their lives. They live in better conditions than many of our active duty troops, and get more freedoms to practice their religion than our troops do as well…after all, we don’t want to offend the Iraqis with our Christian beliefs, do we?
But prisoners at Gitmo can spit on and throw feces on the guards with impunity and the guards clean up the mess and get everything spiffed up before prayer time…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
So why do they go on hunger strikes and commit suicide? Is it because we don’t provide wide-screen, HDTVs in each cell? No manicures?
We all empathize with the guards down there who I’m sure would like to see the place shut down as much, if not more, than any “left wing loonâ€.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmKeltoi sez:
No,, we haven’t, Keltoi. You haven’t disputed the methology. All you’ve done is flaty refuse to consider the evidence that’s in front of your nose. That’s not argument…that’s denial.
Really….and do you see the same “agenda” in the Johns Hopkins Group?
“Duel”? Refusing to face the facts does not constitute “duelling”, Keltoi.
I’ll bet you are…didn’t expect me to defend myself, did you?
Nice straw man, but the 1200 number is, as you