Eight in 10:
By on Oct 17th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Eight in 10:
Number of Americans who favor Congress’s legislation to expand SCHIP, “including large majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents.” Just 22 percent of the public approves of President Bush’s handling of health care, a number even lower than his approval rating on Iraq (26 percent).
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What does Republinomics mean for you, dear hardworking American?
-It means you suffer.
-It means you watch your children sicken and die while wingnut boneheads who have’nt the first clue of where their economic interests lie prattle on about “personal responsibility” and “self determination” and attack you because you did not choose to move your family into a cardboard box, or forgo having a family altogether.
-It means that while you suffer, corporate elites, CEO’s, and the idle rich will continue to enjoy tax breaks, Federal Reserve bailouts, and every other perk you would expect if you were living in the softest of socialist welfare states. But don’t worry, their mouthpieces will will preach self-sufficiency at you 24/7 through the corporate media they’ve robbed you of.
-It means that while you walk the tightrope in a blizzard, trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, they are inside, eating the best food on a soft couch in front of a nice warm fire.
And they would like to coach you on the finer points of plunging into the abyss with your family and how necessary it is that it should be this way, while they gorge themselves in front of that fire.
And if attacking sick children and their hardworking families is what it takes to stay fat and warm, and not have to give up a single peeled grape, then so be it.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:13 pmBush and his Christian Religious Family Values GOP friends could care less what the people want. Bush needs the money for Iraq and more propaganda so to bad for the American Children. Look else where for help like the United Nations or just die. Republicans only say they follow God their actions are much different. Look at how the Pastors are collecting tax payers money and living large. Just keep the base in line and tell them that God said it and they will follow.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:19 pmBut don’t get mad when the US brings a child from Iraq to get free medical treatment while letting an American child die.
I wish Karl Rove was still on board so we could blame him as the architect of this disastrous strategery. Oh hell, what am I saying? Of course Rove told the boy king how to steer this ship aground too.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:23 pmAt least GWB is still relevant. Ha ha ha.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:26 pm8 in 10? start stalkin’ michelle!
October 17th, 2007 at 10:37 pmWhy is socialized health care so repulsive when eighty percent of America wants it, but socialized WAR is acceptable? I do not want my tax dollars to support occupation of Iraq, or Iran. I want my tax dollars to help families making $100,000 care for their children. I’m sorry, if I have to chose between killing the people and children, and occupying a country that never did anything to us, and helping to pay for my neighbor’s health care for Allen (human face, he’s my adorable little neighbor boy), give me SCHIP!
God bless our children, each and every one.
Ya know what? I’d vote for SCHIP even if it covered Brittney’s kids. The parents might not be worth it, but as Jesus says, the children are.
Peace! and most of all LOVE!
October 17th, 2007 at 10:38 pmPJ
What disastrous strategy are you referring to?
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
ummm… the Permanent Republican Majority?
October 17th, 2007 at 10:39 pmShould we have a socialist government that hands out these cars?
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
Irrational comparison. And dishonest too.
Health care and cars don’t equate anywhere, except your mind.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:41 pmare you still hiding behind your dopey website?
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
BWAHAHAHAHA… (sorry, but it’s hard to NOT laugh at your comments). WTF are you talking about? When I was discussing Kerry and the Swiftboaters? And what website?
When you don’t make the least bit of sense, it’s damned near impossible to take yer bluster seriously.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:45 pmThey’re both commodities that require someone to pay for them.
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Naaaah… such a huge difference between luxury auots and healthcare, I’m astonished you have the gall to even try and float this.
Yer a comic… com’on, admit it. Yer certainly crackin’ me up!
October 17th, 2007 at 10:47 pm80% of Americans probably want a Rolls Royce. Should we have a socialist government that hands out these cars?
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
you don’t like cars?
October 17th, 2007 at 10:48 pmNo one is dying for a car. Big difference.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:51 pmhe left. michael left. michael?
October 17th, 2007 at 10:52 pmComment by Michael
Ahh, so its about the haves not wanting the have-nots to have any.
Apparently Mikey doesn’t view healthcare as a basic necessity, but a luxury.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:55 pmNaaaah… such a huge difference between luxury auots and healthcare, I’m astonished you have the gall to even try and float this.
Yer a comic… com’on, admit it. Yer certainly crackin’ me up!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 17, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
Oh, man, talk about comedy…
I know this is a serious issue, and a complex one, but there is a recent story in the news that is totally germane and damn funny too, you must check it out.
http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=448421&lng=1
I CANNOT get Mike Myers as Austin Powers out of my head!
“Sho-Shall-ized Med-shin? GaRooooveey, Baabbeeee!”
October 17th, 2007 at 10:55 pmWhat conservatism means is being responsible for your own actions. When you make the right choices, you are naturally rewarded for them. When you make the wrong choices, you pay the price for those choices. Yet you always have the ability to redeem yourself.
Anything else denies the natural state of humankind, and is anathema to true liberty.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
You might want to remind the current GOP of this stuff dude. They forgot.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:56 pmWhat conservatism means is having the freedom to succeed, or fail, based on your own merits.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
so you failed on “your own merits”, right?
congratulations!
October 17th, 2007 at 10:58 pmYou might want to remind the current GOP of this stuff dude. They forgot.
Comment by ForTruth — October 17, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Word that.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:59 pmGovts spend money under Conservatism and Liberalism. But history would indicate that Liberalism pays as it goes while Conservatism just spends. There seems to be this myth under Conservatism that these bills never come due. And the interest payments just get higher and higher. The real discussion is where the money is being spent, since both sides are spending it by the bucket. Conservatives see nothing wrong with spending a trillion $ on an unnecessary war in Iraq but penny pinch when it comes to spending money on the American people. The choice seems easy to me.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:00 pmmichael and o. bigfoot, where are you going on your first date?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:02 pmHow do you libs feel about being tools?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Dunno, seein’ as I’m not one.
How are the Neuticlesâ„¢ workin’ out fer ya? Got yerself convince they’re “real” yet? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… whew… that’s exhaustin’.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:09 pmAnything else denies the natural state of humankind, and is anathema to true liberty.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Let me fix that fer ya…
CONSERVATIVES deny the natural state of humankind, and are badly in need of an enema, so they may enjoy true liberty.
I mean, it does make as much sense as your original rant, and yer definitely FULL of Sh…
October 17th, 2007 at 11:11 pmSpending billions on an illegal, unwarranted war is a misuse of my tax dollars – not to mention the misuse of those serving and their families.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:12 pmI would prefer that my dollars are spent on providing a better quality of life – and we can start with providing for sick kids.
But a warmongering, phony compassionate conservative in the White House and supporters who would watch children suffer before they disappoint their boy-king will do their best to spend everything we have on death and destruction.
Yet, they go to church/temple and think their god is smiling on them.
Foolish pharisees.
O.bigfrustrated: You represent the worst of America. Why not child labor laws? You are a luddite from the 80s; 1880s.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:13 pmHow do you feel about being a loser?
Nope, succeeded, and continue to do so every day. Thanks for asking!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
then what’s your point?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:14 pmTrue conservatism doesn’t spend what it doesn’t have, and allows the people to keep the money they earn without saddling them with the taxes necessary to support the economic excesses liberal government programs require.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
So, by your “irrefutable logic” **cough… cough**, BruschCo certainly isn’t a truly conservative government, ’cause at this point Dumbya has run up the largest deficit in the history of the Federal Govt, and no, you’re not palming that worthless horse’s ass from hell off on us.
HE’S YOURS, 100%. Try again, and please “make a point” this time.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:15 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
How patroitic of you to care for for your fellow americans, every repug talks about how the soliders sacrifice for our liberty, but repugs or unwilling to sacrafice a little tax money to help their fellow americans. God bless america, because we are a christian nation, only if you have health care. What next you have to own property to vote?
Also, ever heard of a “once of prevention is worth a pound of cure” threating people before the emegency room is cheaper than when they get there.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:16 pmo. bigfoot? first michael, now o. bigfoot.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:18 pm“Wrong again, RoS. But I espect that from you.”
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
spell check. if you really care.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“Sho-Shall-ized Med-shin….?!â€
http://www.euronews.net/ index.php?page=info&article=448421&lng=1
“Bit of Levity, eh?”
October 17th, 2007 at 11:22 pmComment by Keltoi at Night — October 17, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
it’s people like you who scare michael and o. bigfoot away!
October 17th, 2007 at 11:24 pmHey, I used the google, and OBL hasn’t been caught yet? What will happen first OBL getting caught, the dollar being weaker than the peso, or out of Iraq?
Also, what a bigger threat to the U.S citizens ocancer or terrorists?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:27 pmComment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
michael?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:29 pmSouthern Man: So how’s the meth? And wipe your face, your starting to drool.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:30 pmBut he’s still a Senator.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
and you’re still a glue sniffer.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:30 pmo. bigfoot?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:31 pm“But he’s still a Senator.”
October 17th, 2007 at 11:32 pmO. Littlefoot: And you are still an Asshat.
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
why do conservatives hate majority rule?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:32 pmPeople who earn too much to qualify for public aid, but not enough to afford health insurance are the ones being squeezed out of the middle class in America. We are the only industrialized nation in the world without universal health care.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:32 pmRight now, however, we are talking about kids — children — babies — you know, those little humans that you repugnicans fight tooth and nail for while they are in utero — but now that they’re here, sick or injured, you seem to enjoy seeing them and their parents suffer.
How do you sleep at night?
Oh that’s a silly rhetorical question — you have to have a conscience and compassion before difficulty with sleeping becomes a problem.
“But he’s still a Senator.â€
O. Littlefoot: And you are still an Asshat.
Comment by helenahandbasket — October 17, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
don’t chase him away. he’s helping us.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:33 pmWhen people don’t work, the sanctimonious, smug ones accuse them of being lazy and living off the welfare system.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:35 pmWhen people do work, but can’t afford to get sick, the sanctimonious, smug ones deny them the medical help they need.
Who are the sick ones? The people who are physically sick or injured, or the ones who deny struggling people the aid they need?
Yes they do! They’re both commodities that require someone to pay for them.
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Health care is not a commodity; it’s a right!
October 17th, 2007 at 11:36 pmDreams can come true, ya’ know…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
Ah yes, the Great Unjoke!!! So glad you can amuse yerself so easily. Jes sittin’ there in the dark, havin’ a good ole time, playin’ w/ yerself…
October 17th, 2007 at 11:41 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
why do you eat your own toe jam?
(take your time)
October 17th, 2007 at 11:42 pmComment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Ha! We don’t even have to talk about fraud before we start talking about the Republican party. Seriously, you’re on the wrong side dude. The rich are spending your “hard-earned” tax dollars on their interests.
Do you even know what the word Democrat means, literally?
DEM–people + crat–one who practices.
I see a republican as someone stealing my “hard-earned” money and shipping it off to some war that wasn’t even approved by the people that I elected into congress.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThey don’t. Just ask Gore.
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
they don’t? are you… relevant?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:44 pmMost of you have no idea about what the goverment spends your money on! You know war, tax refunds, and Halliburton. Do your homework on fraud and I gurantee you move more right! But the usual suspects on here know that. So they will never allow the truth to be told about their true desires.
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
It’s a damned shame you can’t understand just how truly crazy this paragraph reads. “Do your homework on fraud…” so, you’re admitting that BushCo is a bunch of crooks? How… how… refreshing from a die-hard righty. There is hope for you after, all. ;-D!!!
October 17th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThe only people who can’t be trusted with government spending are the Republicans.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:45 pmI make valid points and are accused of being a meth user?
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Most of you have no idea about what the goverment spends your money on! You know war, tax refunds, and Halliburton. Do your homework on fraud and I gurantee you move more right!
Ummm… “The right” is the side that supports “war, tax refunds and Halliburton” at this time… ya know? Dick Cheney???
Are you calling the VP a fraudster?
What was that about making valid points?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:48 pmBut he’s still a Senator.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
and you’re still a glue sniffer.
Comment by joe cantwell — October 17, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
“Eithar Shniff the Glue on your tooth or Yoosh the Pli-ahrs, Babbeee! Yeeahh!”
“And if yer think thash bad, imagine the shame technique on a Shex-Change! At leasht those are eashy to get from the government, Yeeahhh!”
October 17th, 2007 at 11:50 pmHappens every time.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Aw, it’s jes you, Li’l Footie! It’s almost impossible not ta get annoyed at yer irrational, clueless bluster. You’ve been busted so many times makin’ up facts, distortin’ statistics.. ya name it, you’ve slimed it. Yer a hopeless, pathological blowhard.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:51 pmThat really only reinforced his point. OKAY. Back on topic people.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:53 pmAt leasht those are eashy to get from the government, Yeeahhh!â€
Comment by Keltoi at Night — October 17, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Finally, something you’re qualified to talk about! You ‘n Li’l Footie should get together sometime, ‘n talk about artificially enhanced body parts.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:53 pmAre you a social worker, southern man?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:54 pmIt’s a vicious cycle that will continue to repaet itself until one or two things happen. 1-Communism 2-We are more responsible for ourselves and limit goverment
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
How silly.. clueless stereotyping, blanket condemnations based on undefinable generalizations. You really must try harder. You’re only embarrassing yourself here.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:55 pmAre you a social worker, southern man?
Comment by marlow — October 17, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
No, a Repub… ya know, the party BigDick is from… the known fraudster.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:56 pmWeak argument. Keep blowing smoke up your ass picklee, your not worthy of my pipe.
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Ye gods, this is unintelligible, incoherent even.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:00 am“dollares”
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
?
October 18th, 2007 at 12:00 amYe gods, this is unintelligible, incoherent even.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 18, 2007 @ 12:00 am
it’s that gop meth man!
October 18th, 2007 at 12:01 amComment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
I wasn’t speaking strictly in terms of celebrities. In fact, I wasn’t talking about celebrities at all. You’ve changed the discourse of this argument.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:01 amI have enough of my own like keeping my wine cellar full and keeping dust off my Mercedes.
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
This has GOT TO BE self-parody, right? Right? RIGHT???
October 18th, 2007 at 12:01 amI have enough of my own like keeping my wine cellar full and keeping dust off my Mercedes.
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
This has GOT TO BE self-parody, right? Right? RIGHT???
October 18th, 2007 at 12:01 amNice and toasty in front of that fire, eh, mike?
October 18th, 2007 at 12:02 amYou’ve changed the discourse of this argument.
Comment by Picklee — October 18, 2007 @ 12:01 am
It’s called a “strawman argument” and it’s what folks resort to when they’re losing the argument.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:03 amMy apologies to southernmanchild, o.littlefoot and my-cal. I just get a little frustrated with the rush-inspired drivel that spews from your respective keyboards.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:05 amPlease, keep posting your weak, worthless and sophomoric views of America and I’ll try more to laugh at you, instead of insulting you.
22% of America hates OTHER peoples children, or maybe their own too, just can’t tell how SICK in the HEAD these Repukian Fascist Brownshirt Lockstep Lemming Pigs (I love that line) will go, they hate everyone, maybe even one anothers kids.
Buck Fush
October 18th, 2007 at 12:05 amDon’t Play with the Trolls Helena- they are tainted in the blood of thousands.
Buck Fush
October 18th, 2007 at 12:07 amOh, yeah, 2 cents on the dollar… breakin’ Michael’s piggy bank.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-runawaywelfare.htm
Summary
The two largest welfare programs for the poor, AFDC and food stamps, each take up only 1 percent of the combined government budgets. Attempts to expand the definition of “welfare” to make this figure larger will inevitably include popular middle class programs like Medicaid and student loans.
Argument
One of the most popular myths is that welfare is a serious drag on the economy. Actually, it barely registers on the radar screen. The most vilified form of welfare is Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), which allegedly gives poor mothers a financial incentive to avoid work and have babies. Yet in 1992, AFDC formed only 1 percent of the combined federal and state budgets. Food stamps also took up 1 percent. Both programs cost $24.9 billion each, comprising 1 percent each of the combined federal, state and local budget of $2,487 billion. (1)
Comparing the size of federal AFDC to other federal programs puts a great deal in perspective:
Federal AFDC Expenditures as Compared to Federal Spending in Other Areas (1993) (2)
Agency $ billions
————————–
AFDC 12
Medicaid 76
Medicare 131
Defense 281
Social Security 305
To rescue their point that welfare is responsible for runaway government spending, conservatives must expand the definition of “welfare” as much as possible. Unfortunately, AFDC and food stamps are by far the largest welfare programs for the poor, and any expanded definition is going to include popular middle class programs like Medicaid, student grants, school lunches, and pensions for needy veterans. In other words, conservatives must villainize the middle class if they wish to villainize the poor. But for the moment, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt, and accompany their line of argument to the end:
Many conservatives expand “welfare” to include all one-way transfers of cash, goods or services to persons who make no payment and render no service in return. The Library of Congress provides a list of such programs (which will be included in the appendix below). In 1992, these expenditures for combined federal, state and local governments came to $289.9 billion, or 12 percent of the combined budget of $2,487 billion. (3) Keep in mind that this 12 percent includes such popular middle class programs as Medicaid, student grants, school lunches, pensions for needy veterans, etc.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:07 amI’m a community worker, which I volunteer my time to.
Comment by Southern Man — October 18, 2007 @ 12:06 am
Respectable. What’s your opinion on requiring every citizen to serve the public for so many years in lieu of the military?
October 18th, 2007 at 12:08 amwhich in turn helped me to understand and help. Close enough though.
Comment by Southern Man — October 18, 2007 @ 12:06 am
“To understand and help…” And yet you seem to hate the people you “understand and help”.
Not sure I’m buying yer line here. A little too “convenient”…
October 18th, 2007 at 12:09 amPicklee this Liberal who served and whole family has aways served in one of the Military Branches want every American ( that can, short of ….well you know) even wheelchair Americans to serve at least 2 years of service, be it Military or Public service.
Oh wait, the Repukians say we are Un-American…darn my bad, forgot.
Buck Fush
October 18th, 2007 at 12:12 amOh, yeah. That’s un-patriotic. Haha.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:13 amWhen I post links to facts, you merely discount or ignore the facts, just like most of the kook left. But that is your problem, not mine.
I know I am right, and that is enough for me.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 18, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Its called DeBunked, not discounted.
That “poor little picked on me” is a bit lame.
Really
You must be really embarrased to appear so lame……
October 18th, 2007 at 12:30 amI know I am right, and that is enough for me.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 18, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Funny definitin of “right” Li’l Footie! ;-D!! Ya make this waaaay too easy! Kinda like BigDick Cheney slaughtering cage-raised birds, or shootin’ an old man in the face.
“… The troops have drawn conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 25, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Since Little [ ] won’t link to his “sourceâ€, I found at least one of them for ya, folks. The above info is actually from a Zogby poll taken almost a yr and half ago (source below! ;-D!!). No wonder Little [ ] didn’t provide the reference. Don’t know where the rest of it comes from, but ** YAWN **, I think it’s safe to ignore Little [ ]’s “data†here.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
Yer a liar, and a fraud, and no, they’re not ‘real”. BWAHAHAHAHA…
October 18th, 2007 at 12:32 amOkay, seriously, look at this site
http://www.euronews.net/ index.php?page=info&article=448421&lng=1
and tell me that Britain, with half a century of socialism and socialized medicine, a fraction of our population and a much smaller country is not in a far better position to have its government develop health care delivery to all of its citizens than we EVER could be. And yet their people are pulling out their own teeth for lack of dental care!
Cmon! Government screws up all it touches – look at the story on the site! Reported by one of those infallible European media outlets! Socialized medicine in the US would be a disaster.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:34 amYou must be really embarrased to appear so lame……
Comment by Wayne — October 18, 2007 @ 12:30 am
I wonder how self-satisfied O Bigass will be when his grandkids ask him why he was in favor of all this crap they’re still paying for?
October 18th, 2007 at 12:36 amWhat conservatism means is having the freedom to succeed, or fail, based on your own merits.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
So why did you vote into office a man who was born with a silver spoon?
Why was he offered as a candidate in the first place?
Let’s not even mention the rest of his crony-laden administration…
October 18th, 2007 at 12:36 amIf you asked ten registered voters if the goverment should pay for all health care. it would not be 8-10.
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Well, DUH! If you word the question like that, of course your answer will be very low favorability for such care. Because anyone with half a brain would think about plastic surgery, and other cosmetic and/or elective surgeries. And thus, would have to answer, in all good conscience, no.
Now, try asking if they think every man, woman and child should have free access to emergency and preventative health care. I guarantee you would get a radically different question from the one you pose. Try asking about just children. Try asking if those who quite literally cannot afford health care for their family while both parents work full-time, or full-time+ should be given access to medical care that will not force them to declare bankruptcy. Try asking if people should be denied health care because an insurance company says so. Ask if an insurance company should disallow care due to “preexisting conditions”, with the INSURANCE COMPANY deciding what “preexisting conditions” allow them to deny a claim.
But no, of course you choose one of the few possible wordings of such a poll question that would cause people with intellectual honesty to deny such depth of care.
Noone I know of thinks that the government or a universal health care system should pay for any and all procedures, drugs, etc.
I reiterate…DUH!
October 18th, 2007 at 12:37 amSomebody hear something in here? Kind of a whining, high-pitched buzzing noise? A constipated gnat? An annoyed lemming?
What is that?
October 18th, 2007 at 12:38 amYer a liar, and a fraud, and no, they’re not ‘realâ€. BWAHAHAHAHA…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
That is all they have left….sad, really.
Buck Fush
October 18th, 2007 at 12:40 amLet’s not even mention the rest of his crony-laden administration…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — October 18, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Or the enprmous deficits the little POS has run up, making handouts to his corporate buddies.
Oh yeah! Fiscal conservatism **cough… cough** at its finest!
October 18th, 2007 at 12:40 amWhat conservatism means is having the freedom to succeed, or fail, based on your own merits.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
What liberalism means is knowing the difference between pie in the sky and a crock of shit.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:40 amWhat liberalism means is knowing the difference between pie in the sky and a crock of shit.
Comment by Zooey — October 18, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Wait a cotton-pickin’ minute, missy! Are you sayin’ that Li’l Footie can’t recognize a crock ‘o shi-ite when it’s right under his own nose? You are sayin’ that?
Oh, then, by all means, proceed apace!
October 18th, 2007 at 12:43 amWhat conservatism means is having the freedom to succeed, or fail, based on your own merits.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Oh wait, that’s what we believe too! But wait your version means just you, not any of your neighbors or friends or relatives or anything, forgot you are anti-social, carry on.
Buck Fush
October 18th, 2007 at 12:45 amTRoS,
It seems O Bigass has bought into the “the freedom to succeed, or fail, based on your own merits” crap.
He must be a conservative, white, middle class man. They always think everyone has the same opportunities they have — the fabled crock of shit.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:47 amSelf-awareness lacking trolls and assorted cultists, talking about limiting the government and succeeding on your own merits at the same time that they support an administration that has worked hard to expand presidential powers, pushed the legal limits to be able to spy on its own citizens and imprison them indefinitely.
The same administration headed by a blue-blooded New Englander.
If this is their version of a “small government”, I’d rather take socialized health care, thank you.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:47 amNo one in this country is denied health care. Every hospital, by law, is required to provide care to those who cannot afford it
.Comment by O. Bigfoot
This and the rest of your comment is such crap. 18,000 a year die because of lack of health care. They are not the disabled or elderly as they have medicare. Yes, the ER will see patients, but if you need cancer treatments, other treatments, heart surgery and other surgeries that are not an immediate life and death issue, you are history.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:49 amTRoS,
It seems O Bigass has bought into the “the freedom to succeed, or fail, based on your own merits†crap.
He must be a conservative, white, middle class man. They always think everyone has the same opportunities they have — the fabled crock of shit.
Comment by Zooey
Or maybe he works for the health insurance industry as michael does.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:52 amPicklee this Liberal who served and whole family has aways served in one of the Military Branches want every American ( that can, short of ….well you know) even wheelchair Americans to serve at least 2 years of service, be it Military or Public service.
Oh wait, the Repukians say we are Un-American…darn my bad, forgot.
Comment by Buckie Boy — October 18, 2007 @ 12:12 am
I actually quite agree. Two years service, chosen between Military or Public Service, required before you reach a determined age (30?) is a great idea. If gives you a deeper connection to your fellow man, a deeper understanding of what it is we all fight to preserve, and it gives you a more vested interest in fighting all enemies, both foreign and domestic. It might very well also steer you towards your desired career with fairness and experience.
If we allow the hard-workers to push towards eventually controlling where in the Public or Military sector they work, we develop long-term government health. For example, as more and more hard-workers “graduate” from their 2-year service, and qualify to continue their service in a section of the gov they desire, such as, say, NASA, they have an incentive to REALLY get the job done properly the first time in the menial 2-year-service jobs. As more and more individuals see that such hard work pays off, more and more “2-years” will want to do the job right, to move towards a career goal that suits them. Engineers, lawyers, construction, civil service, politics, all of it will benefit in healthy ways.
Not to mention the state the infrastructure would be in. Can you imagine? Every road, every public building, every sidewalk, every sewer, every sign, every public pipe, all would be endlessly maintained. Should a new technological breakthrough emerge, such as fiber-optic cable replacing copper wires for telecommunications, the “2-years” could get the entire nation’s telecom infrastructure rewired to prep for the influx of new tech in no time flat.
Yes, 2-year Public or Military service is a really good idea, methinks.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:54 amWhere are now those who voted for him for president?
October 18th, 2007 at 12:55 amAre they finally admiting their mistake? Do they feel also responsible for the catastrophic results of their act?
I wonder if America will EVER recover from the damage caused by this administration.
“… the fabled crock of shit.”
Comment by Zooey — October 18, 2007 @ 12:47 am
Ohhhh… that’s the crock of shit yer talkin’ about…
Strange… Li’l Footie seems ta t’ink it’s honey…
He musta fell offin’ tha honey wagon, ag’in…
October 18th, 2007 at 12:57 amOr maybe he works for the health insurance industry as michael does.
Comment by had enough — October 18, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Or claims to…
October 18th, 2007 at 12:57 amI wonder if America will EVER recover from the damage caused by this administration.
Comment by drtichy — October 18, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Some retired military officer said it would take at least one, maybe even TWO generatoins for the Army to recover. Of course, with the Chinese AND the Russians arming up as fast as possible…
October 18th, 2007 at 12:59 amAbsolutely, it is the right thing to do, you pick the years (smart to pick early) and you do your service to your country and fellows.
But wait we are supposed to be like America Haters and all that…so confused…head will explode…hehe….as if.
Buck Fush
October 18th, 2007 at 1:01 amOr maybe he works for the health insurance industry as michael does.
Comment by had enough — October 18, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Even more reason for reform.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:02 amGee, where’d all the trolls go?
Time to pass out on the floor of the double-wide, or Mom’s basement?
That T-bird do have a kick to it, especially the 4th or 5th bottle…
October 18th, 2007 at 1:02 amBut hey, our little friend footie probably voted for Bush because he looked like the kind of guy “you could have a beer with”.
Too bad for him, the Bush clan don’t have beers with the plebeians.
Although I have the impression Pres Bush doesn’t mind having his medical bill payed with taxpayer money.
See, only people in the lower ranks are expected to pay out of their own pockets. While the people who have made their careers in government jobs pontificate about those evil “entitlement programs” but don’t mind getting their paychecks from Uncle Sam.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:02 amEven more reason for reform.
Comment by Zooey — October 18, 2007 @ 1:02 am
NO sh*t??? YES, Sh*t!!!!
October 18th, 2007 at 1:03 amAnd I meant like Druggies and the like, they get a special Two Years of service, meant to clean them up and get them on the right road, at least for 2 years they can see what it is like to be clean, it’s like I mean EVERYONE, dodgers like Cheney, no excuse, you are Tiger Now Roger.
Buck Fush
October 18th, 2007 at 1:04 amNO sh*t??? YES, Sh*t!!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 18, 2007 @ 1:03 am
Yeah, the shit that buys cigarettes for his wife, and teaches his kids to believe the same crock he believes.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:05 amHuh… must have been the end of the swingshift for the trolls.
You know the GOOPers… NO overtime. That $7.50/hr fer time and a half really adds up!
October 18th, 2007 at 1:05 am“… and teaches his kids to believe the same crock he believes.”
Comment by Zooey — October 18, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Uh… blow-up women can’t have kids… blow-up kids?
Now, THAT’S a funny visual… man sitting at home w/ his blow-up girlfriend and a couple of blow-up children, all watching TV.
“Yeah.. jes’ one, big happy family…”
Meet The Airheads…
October 18th, 2007 at 1:08 amBubble Heads. :-D
October 18th, 2007 at 1:10 amBubble Heads. :-D
Comment by Zooey — October 18, 2007 @ 1:10 am
Indeed… Being the stone pr*ck that he is, Li’l Footie would be quite a menace to his own family…
Needle d*ck… a real killer…
October 18th, 2007 at 1:12 amHuh… must have been the end of the swingshift for the trolls.
You know the GOOPers… NO overtime. That $7.50/hr fer time and a half really adds up!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 18, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Well, I AM turning in after I make this post, but I note that not a single one of you wanted to actually address the points I raised in #98. Worse still, you weren’t even kind enough to admit the Austin Powers bit was a trifle funny.
If you’d care to tell me why poor people in Socialist Britain are resorting to doing their own dental work after 10+ years of rule by the liberal Labor Party, I’ll catch you tomorrow. Otherwise, keep beating up on Bigfoot.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:14 amIf you ask a liberal to sacrifice 15 percent of his paycheck so the government can pay everyone’s health care, the answer is quite different.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Already sacrificing that much to a crappy insurance company that will only pay 80% after the first $5,000….15% seems like a bargain compared to what I pay and what I get. But I’m sure the insurance CEO enjoys his fat pay.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:15 amHave a great time, TRoS. I’ll check in at the Zoo Sunday night.
Um, is that something in your teeth…?
Goodnight!
October 18th, 2007 at 1:19 amOtherwise, keep beating up on Bigfoot.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — October 18, 2007 @ 1:14 am
Awww… whatsamatta… not gittin’ the attention ya want???
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/05/08/mothers.index/index.html
U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says
Privatized health care… working wonders for babies!!!
Swap, ya… you discuss this I’ll discuss that… ;-D!!!
October 18th, 2007 at 1:20 amOh yeah! Fiscal conservatism **cough… cough** at its finest!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 18, 2007 @ 12:40 am
“Fiscal conservatism” is an oxymoron, just like “compassionate conservatism”.
Both are oxymorons. With emphasis on moron, as in “the morons who believe it and drink the kool aid”.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:20 amAbsolutely, it is the right thing to do, you pick the years (smart to pick early) and you do your service to your country and fellows.
But wait we are supposed to be like America Haters and all that…so confused…head will explode…hehe….as if.
Comment by Buckie Boy — October 18, 2007 @ 1:01 am
Stupid, commie, pinko, [flavor-of-the-month]-fascist, Constitution-loving (damned piece of PAPER), caring, compassionate human being, hippie BASTARDS that we are, eh?
How dare we want private corporations to succeed or fail on their own merits, rather than being subsidized to such a degree that they can no longer exist without such subsidies? If, for example, an airline company fails because they ran their business poorly, We the People should not bail them out. They should be dissolved, sell off their assets to companies that will use them properly, and be done with it.
How dare we want money to not have a legal voice in politics, and instead want each individual’s voice to count more than all the money in the world? One citizen’s vote should be worth more political capital than that a corporation currently possesses.
How dare we want the essentials that all need, such as medical care, energy to function in the modern world, clean air, stable roads, well-run traffic, military, etc, to be “free” to all citizens (paid for by taxes), and not on a for-profit scheme, while EVERYTHING ELSE can use the free market (instead of the massive subsidies, no-bid contracts, etc, that currently exist).
They dost protest too much, methinks. If any group of politicians are masters of the psychological phenomenon known as projection, it is the modern Republican party, and their punditry. Never before have I seen so many individuals, as an ACTIVE STRATEGY, take that which they are guilty of and can be used against them, and scream to the heavens that all of their enemies are the ones ACTUALLY guilty of such behavior.
Talk about cognitive dissonance. Geez.
Wait for the so-called “conservatives” to not wish for such public service, either. That is to say, watch for the lazy, usually well-to-do folks who don’t ACTUALLY want to work a day in their life, and have their entire world handed to them by mommy, daddy, and the grandparents, to vehemently protest such service.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:22 amWhat, you mean This report?
The one that says:
“We entirely accept that there are still problems in some parts of the country for some people in getting to see an NHS dentist.
But there’s absolutely no reason why somebody should be pulling their own teeth out. People now have a right to demand urgent dental care from their local health service,” he said.
The BDA, which represents UK dentists, blames a new contract between the government and its members. It offers practitioners a guaranteed income, rather than a fee for each NHS treatment they perform.
Are there problems? Of course there are, especially, as this report indicated, in the more remote or isolated areas. Those people CAN get their teeth pulled, they simply CHOOSE NOT TO, or are IGNORANT of their rights. Many small-town people in the U.S. are the same way, and can and do pull THEIR own teeth out, rather than see a doctor, or a dentist.
You obviously didn’t even read the report you linked to, or you would have seen that the people getting their teeth pulled are in fact covered by their national health care to receive such a procedure. Ignorance of their options doesn’t mean it is an epidemic.
Moreover, it is a single contract between the gov and the UK dentists causing the problem. In other words, something easily corrected. As opposed to fixing a fundamentally flawed, abusive system, such as for-profit, privatized health insurance.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:34 amThe fact you can’t tell the difference doesn’t make you right, it makes you stupid!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 18, 2007 @ 1:38 am
You don’t want to confuse him by using too many big words, rhf…
Try keeping it simple…
U R a big dum-@ss… see? Now he can understand the comment.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:41 am>Every hospital, by law, is required to provide care to those
>who cannot afford it
only for EMERGENCY care, idiot. as vocabulary challenged as you are, you probably have no clue what the definition of emergency is as it related to these laws. a little hint.. dying of cancer is not considered an emergency…
October 18th, 2007 at 4:01 amBigfoot, you seem be on about every SCHIP thread that pops up these days, care to pop on over to the threads about our ally turkey attacking our ally the kurds, or about some bushie who admits the truth getting canned for it?
8 billion dollars in iraq goes missing in little over a year and you dont even bat an eye. 30 billion more on kids than your precsious prez is willing to give and you have a conniption. please, keep putting the wellbeing of iraqi adults before american children. you’re getting slaugthered in the polls because of your idiotic intransigence, and you dont have the brains to pick and choose your fights any more than your preznit does. which way are bush’s poll numbers headed these days biggieO? are people still “waking up” like you said before? hahahah
October 18th, 2007 at 4:07 amNo, I view it as a responsibility of mommy and daddy! Your kids aren’t my problem. I have enough of my own like keeping my wine cellar full and keeping dust off my Mercedes.
Comment by michael — October 17, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
Michelle, Michelle, you’ve told us all we need to know about you!
October 18th, 2007 at 4:26 am>I have enough of my own like keeping my wine cellar full and
> keeping dust off my Mercedes.
If thats true your the first person I’ve ever met with a wine cellar and a mercedes who has nothing better to do but argue all day on a website full of people who hate him and laugh at his childish temper tantrums about only wanting to spend money on healthcare for people who are iraqis.
October 18th, 2007 at 4:40 amhttp://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/POLITICS/10/17/schip/t1home.pelosi.schip.ap.jpg
caption contest “oh god, please no one tell michelle mallkin my name”
October 18th, 2007 at 5:09 amMost of the posts on this thread are about BigOFoot-in-Mouth. He is part of the 20% who hate the middle class, and want them to got to the emergency room to pprove that he is somehow “superior” to them. However, he has managed to have more than 80% of the posts to be about him and his anti-human, anti-children, anti-middle-class minhdless opinions.
Instead of replying to him, let’s talk about the topic AFTER we’ve REPORTED the troll for abuse.
On-Topic:
How do we progressives communicate with the 80% who favor the expansion of SCHIP and get them active in DEMANDING that their representatives actually REPRESENT them and override the veto?
October 18th, 2007 at 5:24 amhterrya, until we have the budgets that the lobbyists do, it’s a very uphill fight. these are politicians we’re dealing with. They’re for sale, cheap, especially Republicans ( a hooker or a Senate page will do), but, increasingly, the dems have turned into whores as well. Revolution is needed, even if only a revolution at the voting booth. Throwing out the repukes is a given if the USA is even to survive, but culling the corporate Dems has to be the very next priority.
October 18th, 2007 at 5:37 amSo when can we end the Iraq war? And restore habeaus corpus?
~Sean
October 18th, 2007 at 6:59 amhyterra: “how do we communicate with our PAID REPRESENTATIVES who no longer represent us?”. We stop paying them. And it’s called TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
Sure, assuming that our voting machines will not be hacked as they were in 2004 (and probably 2000), we can pitch them all out in 08 – Repukes and dems alike. But that is contingent upon the operable words here – “if they are NOT hacked again”.
Assuming they will be because Congress has not done anything to thwart the hacking in 08 other than drag their feet on perhaps what’s becoming the “farce” of this country calling itself a democracy due to free and fair elections (ahem – we did more to ensure the sanctity of the vote in Iraq for cripe’s sakes!), then the people only have one singular option left: Another Boston Tea Party!
The Patriot Act keeps people off the streets (how handy for a cagey group of administration lawbreakers, eh?) so people, quite logically, believe that their vote is their act of demonstration. Well it might be if our elections were “fair” and “every vote counted”. Not going to happen ever again in this country unless we go back to hand counted paper ballots.
So what’s left in terms of an option for the people? The only thing I see is the old pocketbook. If our representatives no longer represent us, then it’s time to not pay their salaries – or the money going amorally and illegally into this occupation of Iraq – to the tune of $500,000 PER MINUTE! This was will soon put this country into a “third world” position.
October 18th, 2007 at 7:57 amThat polling is incorrect. When asked if SCHIP should target poor children without insurance before middle class children with insurance, the majority DO NOT want the Dems expansion of SCHIP.
October 18th, 2007 at 8:14 amI suspect that Randi Rhodes was attacked by minorities, and was paid hush money to claim that she “fell”.
October 18th, 2007 at 8:14 am“If you asked ten registered voters if the goverment should pay for all health care. it would not be 8-10.
Comment by Southern Man — October 17, 2007 @ 11:31 pmâ€
Correct. It’s all in the wording of the question.
If you ask a liberal if there should be universal health care, most would say “absolutely!â€
If you ask a liberal to sacrifice 15 percent of his paycheck so the government can pay everyone’s health care, the answer is quite different.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
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If you asked 10 registered voters if they support the idea of the government paying for the health care of all children, 7 or 8 of them would say yes.
If you asked 10 registered voters if they support the idea of the government paying for the health care of everyone, even if it means higher taxes, 6 would say yes, 3 would say keep the current system, and 1 would be unsure or say they want some other alternative.
As far as sacrificing 15% of anybody’s paycheck to pay for all this, that wouldn’t be necessary. Tax the businesses first. Right now, employers are paying the lion’s share of health care insurance in this country (Starbucks pays more for health care benefits than they do for coffee beans, for example). Businesses could be taxed a fair amount and they STILL would pay less in added taxes than they do now for health insurance for their employees. Would a business rather eliminate their health insurance costs in favor of added taxes in this case? Most would — it’s still all about profits. It could be a graduated tax — businesses too small to pay for their employee’s health benefits now would be taxed at a far lower rate than the big guys.
Even if private citizens had to pay more taxes, it would also be less than most are currently paying in health insurance premiums. And it certainly wouldn’t be 15% — that figure is ridiculous.
October 18th, 2007 at 8:17 amI’m listening to that idiot Cantor from NJ on CSPAN. Same old mantra – “cover poor children first.”
They ARE covered first. It’s called Medicare.
October 18th, 2007 at 8:19 amsex scandals courtesy of the “moral” majority
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repub_scandals_10_17_07.php
October 18th, 2007 at 8:28 amIf you ask a liberal to sacrifice 15 percent of his paycheck so the government can pay everyone’s health care, the answer is quite different.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 17, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
If you ask a Republican to sacrifice 5% of his paycheck to pay for the war in Iraq the answer will be no. They don’t believe they have to pay for any of the expenses of GWB. They believe these bills will somehow go away. So while the Reps don’t want to pay for your child’s healthcare, they don’t mind at all if your child pays for the war bills of their govt. Weird eh?
And while they hoist conservatism up as some sort of fiscally responsible party they ignore the fact that GWB, GHWB & Reagan all ran up bills far in excess of revenue. Reps believe in cutting taxes & spending cash. They don’t believe in balancing the books unless a Democrat is in charge. They talk about fiscal responsibility but do nothing but talk. On the basis of their definition GWB, GHWB & Reagan were not conservatives.
October 18th, 2007 at 8:49 amWhat idiots you liberals are! I couldn’t make this stuff up. Do you do this crap for a living?
Comment by michael
No michelle, it’s you and the other 24%ers who are the idiots. That figure used to be 28%. Then something happened. What would that be? Oh, I remember, Bush vetoed SCHIP, the program that 80% of Americans support including many Republicans.
October 18th, 2007 at 9:07 amIncorrect. You’ve got that backwards. True conservatism doesn’t spend what it doesn’t have, and allows the people to keep the money they earn without saddling them with the taxes necessary to support the economic excesses liberal government programs require.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Well then, OBigFootInMouth, I guess that Clinton was a true conservative and George Bush is not. Clinton balanced his budgets and left Georgie a huge surplus. Georgie promptly spent that surplus and has plunged this country into a debt it has never before seen in history.
And a funny thing about those taxes, many more people in this country feel it is fine for them to be taxed so that we can provide for the less fortunate among us. It is only the greedy Republicans who live by the credo of “I got mine now fu*k you” that whine about having their tax dollars going somewhere other than in their pockets.
October 18th, 2007 at 9:15 amIf you ask a liberal to sacrifice 15 percent of his paycheck so the government can pay everyone’s health care, the answer is quite different.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Many liberals and conservatives are already paying 15% of their paycheck for healthcare. And, anyone who has done a study on universal health care shows that the cost would be much less than what we are paying for with “for profit” health organizations now.
October 18th, 2007 at 9:16 am#153 It will also show that the quality of the healthcare will become less and that arbitrary 15% you mention will greatly increase within one decade. Every program that redistributes wealth always expands the costs and limits the value. SCHIP is a perfect example. It was intended for the poor and now it is being sold to the middle class by the favorite slogan of socialism…”FOR THE CHILDREN”
October 18th, 2007 at 11:49 am#152 You are right, Bush was not fiscally conservative with the surplus. However, it was Clinton with Congress that balanced the budget.
October 18th, 2007 at 11:51 amIf you have a friend or family member sick and need to come up with some money for them because they decided not to have healthcare. Is it okay to take it from someone else who has money to give it to your friend or family member?
October 18th, 2007 at 11:57 am#152 You are right, Bush was not fiscally conservative with the surplus. However, it was Clinton with Congress that balanced the budget.
Comment by ANeccessaryEvil — October 18, 2007 @ 11:51 am
That logic falls flat when you consider that GWB with the same Rep Congress spent like a hooker with 10 credit cards. The bottom line is that Reagan, GHWB & GWB all raised the debt/GDP %. Clinton lowered it. Conservatives spend the way they say Liberals spend. It’s all backwards for the Conservatives. They criticize the Libs of doing things that the Cons do. The Cons act moral while phucking any boy under the age of 13 while denigrating Libs for having consensual extra-marital affairs. You decide where you stand. But choose your party on the basis of facts, not spin.
October 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pm