Bush Family Planning Appointee Called Contraceptives Part Of The ‘Culture Of Death’
Bush Family Planning Appointee Called Contraceptives Part Of The ‘Culture Of Death’
On Monday, President Bush appointed Susan Orr to oversee federal family planning programs at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Orr, who is currently directing HHS child welfare programs, was touted by the administration as “highly qualified.”
But a look at Orr’s record shows that her strongest qualifications appear to be her right-wing credentials and endorsement of the Bush administration’s failed abstinence-only policies. Before joining HHS, Orr served as senior director for marriage and family care at the conservative Family Research Council and was an adjunct professor at Pat Robertson’s Regent University. Some highlights:
– In a 2001, Orr embraced a Bush administration proposal to “stop requiring all health insurance plans for federal employees” to cover a broad range of birth control. “We’re quite pleased, because fertility is not a disease,” said Orr.
– At the 2001 Conservative Political Action Conference, Orr cheered Bush’s endorsement of Reagan’s “Mexico City Policy,” which required NGOs receiving federal funds to “neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations.” Orr said that it was proof Bush was pro-life “in his heart.”
– In a 2000 Weekly Standard article, Orr railed against requiring health insurance plans to cover contraceptives. “It’s not about choice,” said Orr. “It’s not about health care. It’s about making everyone collaborators with the culture of death.”
– Orr authored a paper in 2000 titled, “Real Women Stay Married.” In it she wrote that women should “think about focusing our eyes, not upon ourselves, but upon the families we form through marriage.”
As Steve Benen notes, the office of family planning carries tremendous importance. Orr will “oversee HHS’s $283 million reproductive-health program, a $30 million program that encourages abstinence among teenagers, and HHS’s Office of Population Affairs, which funds birth control, pregnancy tests, counseling, and screenings for sexually transmitted diseases and HIV.”
Last year, President Bush appointed Eric Keroack to oversee the office. Keroack had previously worked for a Christian pregnancy counseling group that opposes contraception. He stepped down in March over ethical problems.
UPDATE: Jill at Feministe points out that Orr has also referred to child protection as “the most intrusive arm of social services.”
UDPATE II: Take action opposing Orr’s nomination HERE.
UPDATE III: Statement on Orr from Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA):
This appointment is absurd. Dr. Orr’s support of unproven abstinence-only programs would in itself raise flags about her commitment to comprehensive family planning for low-income girls and women. But in 2000, Dr. Orr said that requiring insurers to cover family planning supplies and services — a policy that promotes access to contraception in many states and the federal employee health program — is “about making everyone collaborators with the culture of death.” This leaves little doubt about where she has stood on contraception access. […]
I’m no longer surprised by this kind of decision — ideology firmly holds the reins over reproductive health in this White House. But this lack of commitment to comprehensive reproductive health, combined with cramped budgets, is an insult and a disservice to the millions of low-income people who rely on Title X for family planning and preventive health services.
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typical GOP policy since Ronald Reagan- install people to oversee a department that they abhor.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:50 amIt’s not about health care. It’s about making everyone collaborators with the culture of death.â€
How are contraceptives part of the ‘culture of death’?
October 17th, 2007 at 10:52 amBut then again, on the other hand, it was Bonzo who always claimed that the government off their backs(and into their bedrooms).
October 17th, 2007 at 10:52 amwow
October 17th, 2007 at 10:53 amIf contraceptives prevent a ‘life’ from getting started, how the hell would they be part of a culture of death? Isn’t death the end of life?
October 17th, 2007 at 10:54 amSo if there’s no life, …. Goddamn it, my head hurts!
This story, coupled with the Bethany Wilkerson story yesterday, really makes me question the sanity of the Rightards (as if there was really any doubt).
Birth control is evil, but if a poor person gets pregnant, they can fend for themselves, according to the Right.
They are a bunch of raving lunatics!!!
October 17th, 2007 at 10:56 amOrr has also referred to child protection as “the most intrusive arm of social services.â€
I would hope that is true.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:57 amHow can you be anti-birth control, anti-abortion, anti-sex education, and still claim that people shouldn’t qualify for SCHIP because if they are too poor to afford health insurance for their kids, they shouldn’t have them?
Ah yes — the wingnuts claim that the only answer is for everybody to just keep their legs crossed until they are in a financial position to provide everything a child needs. Good luck with that.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:58 amIf this woman thinks that contraception is a “culture of death”, I wonder what she thinks about the occupation of Iraq. To me, that’s a “culture of death” to the nth degree. I am also willing to bet that this woman believes in the death penalty.
What is the first qualification you need to be a Republican? You need to be a hypocrite!
October 17th, 2007 at 10:58 amIn it she wrote that women should “think about focusing our eyes, not upon ourselves, but upon the families we form through marriage.â€
But if you think that your child might have a congenital heart defect seven years in the future, you better not have any children… or take advantage of the Schip program…oh, wait… never mind, you won’t be covered anyway.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:00 amApologies to Bethany Wilkerson.
How many children does this woman have?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:01 amWell said, Uncle HO!
October 17th, 2007 at 11:04 amOrr authored a paper in 2000 titled, “Real Women Stay Married.†- - I just threw up a little in my mouth.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:04 amAnother Regent Reject Crony from BushitCo.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:04 amdouble wow
October 17th, 2007 at 11:04 amSusan Orr overseeing family planning programs is like the Flat Earth Society overseeing NASA.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:04 amHow are contraceptives part of the ‘culture of death’?
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 10:52 am
There you go again, Squegeeboo, requesting facts like a progressive. Don’t trip over that aisle.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:05 amhe had to do something to please the religious nuts that voted for him.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:05 amOT, but is that woman well-scrubbed or what? She could sell Ivory Soap — unless you scratch the surface, and the bile bubbles to the surface…
October 17th, 2007 at 11:06 amA Handmaiden’s Tale comes to mind.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:06 am$30 million dollars to the abstinence only program which has already proven to be a huge failure. No more money for SChip but all that money wasted on a program that will ensure more births for the very young not to mention more sexually transmitted diseases.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:07 amOnce again people are attempting to smear this fine, upstanding servant of the one true God. You fail to see where this country is headed. We have already successfully reformed the economic system so that God’s chosen few have accumulated all the wealth in this society. Our economic society now approximates that of the late 1800’s to 1920’s.
We are now moving to place God at the lead of our nation. As we all know, those poor slaves were maintained in subservience by bringing them to a certain level of evangelical belief. We will also use our God’s one true word to control the broader category of the poor in our present day society. Remember, evangelical faith supports a society in which we recognize that God’s chosen are rewarded with great economic wealth, that those in superior position (government, police, and industry) are there because of God’s favor and that those who are true believers must obey their social betters.
Indeed, those born in the middle ages recognized that their kings were directly appointed by God. We now know that it is not the royal, blue blood that designates God’s chosen, it is the true blood of commerce and capitalism (money) that defines our true leaders.
This country has been for too long the home of those who believe in freedom as opposed to total obedience to the will of the Lord. For too long have we suffered sinners to escape from the responsibility for their failure to succeed financially. We need to live in a world in which people are responsible for all that happens to them. No mercy for the weak. If they were worthy, they would not be weak and would prosper under God’s reign.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:08 amRegent University. That’s all I need to know.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:08 am“We’re quite pleased because fertility is not a disease,†she said at the time. “It’s not a medical necessity that you have it.â€
So Susan Orr opposes federal health insurance programs covering birth control because “it’s not a medical necessity”. I assume she also opposes these programs covering Viagra and similar drugs for the same reason.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:09 am“Real Women Stay Married.â€
Sexless marriage, the culture of life and the creators of…Craigs?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:11 amTP, that picture is creeping me out. Photoshop some dust on her.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:12 amHallo POPStar(TM)!!!
Howz life treating you?
So, this position is through appointment by the Preznit ONLY? No vetting? No approval through Congress?
Nothing?!?!?!?!?!
October 17th, 2007 at 11:14 am…
October 17th, 2007 at 11:14 amshe better button up that top button,
or “suffer the consequences”…
…
looks like she has cheek implants…
so…smooth…….
so…shiiiiiiiny…..
:)
October 17th, 2007 at 11:14 amZooey
TP, that picture is creeping me out. Photoshop some dust on her.
Her grin reminds me of Tim Curry playing Pennywise. Another character who really ‘cared’ about the children he interacted with.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:15 am“This country has been for too long the home of those who believe in freedom as opposed to total obedience to the will of the Lord.”
Comment by JMOHR — October 17, 2007 @ 11:08 am
Yes — this country was founded on that very principle. The pilgrims who arrived here on the Mayflower came here searching for that very freedom. Any citizen of this country may worship as he pleases, protected by our constitution.
However, we are a democracy, not a theocracy. The price you pay for worshipping as you please is to allow others to do so as well. If freedom of religion doesn’t work for you, I’m sure you can find any number of countries on this planet living under theocratic law where you may feel more at home.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:15 amBecause, as we and countless Iraqi civilians and American military families know, he sure has hell ain’t “pro-life” in his actions, policies or decisions.
Whooops … sorry. Forgot that they only care about protecting fetuses and their “culture of life” stops once a child is born.
My fault.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:16 amWe need to live in a world in which people are responsible for all that happens to them. No mercy for the weak. If they were worthy, they would not be weak and would prosper under God’s reign.
Comment by JMOHR — October 17, 2007
So its peoples fault that they get injured in car accidents and cant affor huge medical bills? I dont think by prosper God meant print money and empower it JMOHR.
Who was it that said, “The meek shall inherit the earth”?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:17 amAnother moron appointed by a moron with advice of morons…. The public has been so dumbed down to the point of not seeing any of this any more….
We have truly have sunken to a new depth….scary we still listen…
October 17th, 2007 at 11:19 amWhy is ANYONE surprised that the whitehouse continually appoints people that agree with their policies? John Bolton said in an interview that Bush wants to keep yes-men around him. The fact that she’s a Bush appointee is enough for me to dislike her. The rest is just the details. They have two choices: To let one an appointee in who will do everything they can to advance Bush’s policies, or to keep refusing everyone he appoints until he’s out of office. I don’t think they can keep it up that long, and even if they can, in the meantime someone has to be doing the job… and guess who that will be?
Take Bush out, right now. That is the only way unless you want to tear up the Constitution and pass a law that says the President can’t appoint anyone. And by the way, you’ll need 2/3rds majority to override the veto AND it will probably very quickly need to get past the Supreme Court, and guess who has most of the seats there? Good luck on that one.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:19 amWOW! Stephen Colbert posted on TP - look, right here on this thread, right there on post 23!! I’m so excited!! Come on, people, give the man a round of TP applause.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:19 amDayummm! I guess I’ve been a contributing collaborator with the culture of death now for some 24 years. Sweet. I knew my Judas Priest days were good for sumthin’!!
October 17th, 2007 at 11:22 amI do have one question, tho.
Since the big “V” 4 years ago, am I still a card carrying member of the death culture? Or does it get revoked? And what about “self love”?
Dammit. Where the hell is Daryll to help me with these tough questions?
“Who was it that said, “The meek shall inherit the earth�
Comment by Xisithrus — October 17, 2007 @ 11:17 amâ€
Hoooo Hoooo…… I know……
Adam Sandler???
Comment by RemoveBush — October 17, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Hah! You just proved that you are not a Christian with an extensive knowledge of the Bible. If you were, you would know that was said by EVE Sandler.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:22 amShe could sell Ivory Soap — Zooey
’70s porn star Marilyn Chambers sold Ivory soap.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:22 am“This country has been for too long the home of those who believe in freedom as opposed to total obedience to the will of the Lord.â€
Comment by JMOHR — October 17, 2007 @ 11:08 am
WTF? Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers Jason, he didn’t embrace them and their scheme to enserf them to fiat.
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Comment by RemoveBush.
Heh.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:23 amExactly what I said yesterday in the SCHIP thread. Right-wingers blame poor people for “bad choices”, i. e. having children when they can’t afford health care for them — but then they insist that they ONLY way to “choose” not to have children is to choose not to have sex. Ever. With anyone.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:23 amShe could sell Ivory Soap — Zooey
99.9% pure - in other words, a virgin.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:24 amPatrioticLiberalChristian
99.9% pure - in other words, a virgin.
The .1% is original sin, you can’t leave womb with out it.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:25 amOrr has also referred to child protection as “the most intrusive arm of social services.â€
I would hope that is true.
Comment by Squegeeboo
You hope what is true Right Wing Loon Squegeeboo? You think that protecting children is an “intrusive arm of social services”? You don’t believe that we have an obligation to protect the children in our country?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:25 amJust another incompetent freak.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:26 amIsn’t that Kim Darby, the girl that Rooster Cogburn (John Wayne) saved in “True Grit”? I wondered what happened to her.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:28 ambilbobaggins
You think that protecting children is an “intrusive arm of social services� You don’t believe that we have an obligation to protect the children in our country?
Yes I think it is intrusive(at least from the perspective of the family being investigated), and I fully support it being so.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:28 amSo if Orr thinks that women should focus on men rather than themselves, and she thinks women should stay married–is she married? If so, why isn’t she staying home and focusing on “her” man. How many children does she have? Does she abstain from sex?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:29 amSo is pulling out part of the culture of death?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:29 am“This country has been for too long the home of those who believe in freedom as opposed to total obedience to the will of the Lord.â€
Comment by JMOHR
So you believe that everyone in this country should obey the “will of the lord”. What about people like me who don’t believe in God? Not to mention the fact that the “will of the lord” would not include starting unnecessary wars or refusing to take care of people less fortunate than ourselves.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:29 ama Bush administration proposal to “stop requiring all health insurance plans for federal employees†to cover a broad range of birth control. “We’re quite pleased, because fertility is not a disease,†said Orr.
Ummm, does Dorothy Hammill here realize that many oral contraceptives are prescribed due to extreme cramping and excessive bleeding due to heavy menses? To regulate a normal menstrual cycle?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:31 amProbably not!
It’s a spoof, Bilbo.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:31 amThe .1% is original sin, you can’t leave womb with out it.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 11:25 am
Fantastic!
“You hope what is true Right Wing Loon Squegeeboo? You think that protecting children is an “intrusive arm of social services� You don’t believe that we have an obligation to protect the children in our country?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 17, 2007 @ 11:25 amâ€
I got your back on this one, Squegeeboo. Only by being an intrusive arm, that is, not being afraid to get into family’s homes and lives, can social services remove and, thereby protect, our most vulnerable children.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:32 am“This country has been for too long the home of those who believe in freedom as opposed to total obedience to the will of the Lord.â€
Comment by JMOHR
So you believe that everyone in this country should obey the “will of the lordâ€. What about people like me who don’t believe in God? Not to mention the fact that the “will of the lord†would not include starting unnecessary wars or refusing to take care of people less fortunate than ourselves.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 17, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Don’t worry, Bilbo, it was a mistranslation. What it really said was
“The ENTS will inherit the earth.”
:)
October 17th, 2007 at 11:32 ambilbobaggins
October 17th, 2007 at 11:33 amrefusing to take care of people less fortunate than ourselves.
Once Jesus comes back, so we can turn water into wine, and make 1 fish 2 fish (also red fish, and potentially blue fish) we can start taking care of others, until then there is a finite resource issue, and it is our god given right to horde as much as we can.
Please sign the Planned Parenthood petition at
http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/oppose_orr/
October 17th, 2007 at 11:34 amya know, folks, we are very close to fully opening squeegee’s mind and heart to the ways of a progressive thinking and acting citizen…
why do you want to pick on him and turn that all around?
he’s been around for a long time… those who’ve “known” him since then can see the change and it is heartening…
it helps that his mom is a liberal, but i think it all works together…
don’t turn him away because of his wry sence of humor…
btw, squeege, how is your partner in crime here, tundra?…
now, THAT one has a ways to go… but he’s older, more set…
still, more open minded that the real troolls here…
i don’t consider squeegee a troll…
October 17th, 2007 at 11:34 amjust sayin’…
.
Squeegee has indeed come a long way. Not a troll at all now.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:35 amwhiteyfresh
“The ENTS will inherit the earth.â€
Well I hope they find the Entwives, otherwise it’s going to be a boring eternity.
PatrioticLiberalChristian
October 17th, 2007 at 11:35 amI got your back on this one, Squegeeboo.
Danke schön!
Orr has also referred to child protection as “the most intrusive arm of social services.â€
I would hope that is true.
Comment by Squegeeboo
You hope what is true Right Wing Loon Squegeeboo? You think that protecting children is an “intrusive arm of social services� You don’t believe that we have an obligation to protect the children in our country?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 17, 2007 @ 11:25 am
He got tired of playing the troll yesterday. Too many whacks. (whack a troll) Now he is back to switch hitting.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:37 amanother village has lost it’s idiot.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:38 amI hope the next prez has the ability to fire her.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:40 amSusan Orr: Have more babies so we can NOT take care of them!
Are all conservatives addle?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:41 amWhy does Bush love the fetus, but hate the child?
October 17th, 2007 at 11:41 amSqueegee has indeed come a long way. Not a troll at all now.
Comment by VerbalKint — October 17, 2007 @ 11:35
That’s because Squiggy has an actual sense of humor. Something you don’t find in a normal troll.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:42 ami don’t consider squeegee a troll…
just sayin’…
Comment by katy — October 17, 2007 @ 11:34 am
I agree that he is not a troll. A relentless agitator and instigator, definitely, but I experience this as his way of keeping a topic dynamic and in-depth as opposed to a real troll who is trying to detrail the thread. Squegeeboo is a “phony troll”.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:43 amWhy does Bush love the fetus, but hate the child?
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 17, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Reminds me of a Jim Croce song: “You say you love the Baby, but you crucify the Man”.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:45 amkaty, VerbalKint
thanks guys, but if you don’t think I’m a troll, it mean’s I’ll have to start working harder at it.
as for Tundra, he’s still around (in real life) but I think he’s given up on TP, at least for a while. He was a bit more set in stone like Katy said, and it can get a bit frustrating to try and be congenial when it seems like your bashing your head into a wall trying to explain a conservative perspective to a group of liberals. (sort of like how you guys feel trying to explain some of your views to me) Then add on the people who just go for mean comments and the such as opposed to voicing (and trying to understand) their positions, and like I said, I think he hit his burn out point for a while at least.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:45 amWhy does Bush love the fetus, but hate the child?
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 17, 2007 @ 11:41 am
They don’t really “love” the fetus otherwise they’s want to make sure every mother has prenatal care. They claim to love the fetus because that doesn’t cost any money. Birth control costs money, abortion costs money, medical care costs money. But an unborn fetus they can worship and it doesn’t cost them a cent.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:45 amContraceptives are part of responsible family planning. How can they be a culture of deathâ„¢? It is weird the often cognitive disconnect some of these people seem to have.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:50 amI certainly hope JMOHR was being sarcastic. If he wasn’t, hoooooboy.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:54 amComment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 11:45 am
I for one enjoyed many discussions with Tundra.
And I never considered him a troll, for that thats worth.
I also enjoy reading your comments as well. heh
October 17th, 2007 at 11:57 amI certainly hope JMOHR was being sarcastic. If he wasn’t, hoooooboy.
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 17, 2007 @ 11:54 am
better repeat the “hoooooboy” a few more times, because he wasn’t LOL
October 17th, 2007 at 11:58 amoh, sure he was, wayne…
not quite on par with colbert, but that was snark for sure…
October 17th, 2007 at 12:02 pm.
Yes I think it is intrusive(at least from the perspective of the family being investigated), and I fully support it being so.
Comment by Squegeeboo
Wow, Right Wing Loon Squegeeboo thinks that our children will have to fend for themselves. Couldn’t get more black-hearted than that.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by JMOHR — October 17, 2007 @ 11:08 am
“that which you have done to the least of my brothers, you have done to me.”
October 17th, 2007 at 12:05 pmDr. Susan Orr is Associate Commissioner of the Children’s Bureau in the Administration on Children, Youth and Families, Administration for Children and Families, at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Prior to joining the Bush administration, she was senior director for marriage and family care at the Family Research Council and director of the Center for Social Policy at the Reason Public Policy Institute.
Dr. Orr previously served at the Administration on Children, Youth and Families during 1992-98. She was a special assistant to the commissioner and a child welfare program specialist at the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect.
She has been a high school principal and adjunct professor at American University and Regent University.
Dr. Orr received her undergraduate degree in politics from the University of Dallas and master’s and Ph.D. degrees from Claremont Graduate School.
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Typical Chimpy administration hire ; a dope with no family of her own , hired to oversee federal family planning programs at the Department of Health and Human Services …….Incompetence breeding more incompetence
October 17th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWhat’s next? Handing out medals for having babies, Magda?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:06 pmYes, I’ve always felt that a true “culture of life” would embrace the deaths by hemorrhage, poisoning or infection of thousands of women who in other circumstances might be capable of raising any number of children. It would honor the leaving of newborn children on doorsteps or in alleys and dumpsters and the occasional toilet bowl as well. Glad to see another Bush appointee so practical and morally grounded. Any culture of life should of course grab people by the throat and force them to run a dangerous gauntlet. We should all be liberated from the tyranny of choice.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:07 pmThen add on the people who just go for mean comments and the such as opposed to voicing (and trying to understand) their positions, and like I said, I think he hit his burn out point for a while at least.
Comment by Squegeeboo
Sorry, I refuse to try to understand the position of black-hearted people who believe that children should have to fend for themselves in a very scary world, or black-hearted people who think that families should have to go bankrupt in order to pay for medical care for their children.
I have an idea for you. Why don’t you burn out too and leave. Every time I read one of your posts I am saddened that there are people like you occupying this once great country. You and your ilk are responsible for the sad state this country is in today.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:07 pmthanks guys, but if you don’t think I’m a troll, it mean’s I’ll have to start working harder at it.
I don’t think you are a troll, I think you are a Right Wing Loon.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:09 pmit can get a bit frustrating to try and be congenial when it seems like your bashing your head into a wall trying to explain a conservative perspective to a group of liberals.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 11:45 am
What is the purpose of any liberal having to listen to/read an explanation on willful ignorance , which is all cancervatism is ?
It’s the intellectual equivalent of masturbating with a cheese grater ………
October 17th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWhy does Bush love the fetus, but hate the child?
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 17, 2007 @ 11:41 am
I suspect that it’s not really a matter of loving the fetus as it is of hating women. You know — the issue is REALLY about preventing all these slutty women from having sex.
We hear a lot from “pro-lifers” (and there’s a misnomer, if there ever was one) about how life is sacred and must be respected, that life begins at the fertilization of the egg, etc. etc. and this is why abortion must be outlawed. Several of these “pro-lifers” (such as Susan Orr) also oppose birth control.
Unfortunately, to be truly “pro-life”, you must not only be anti-abortion, you must also be anti-capital punishment, anti-war, anti-euthanasia, and anti-anything else that takes a human life for any reason. You must be supportive of sustaining life even after it’s born — which means ensuring proper medical care and a healthy environment for all.
An anti-abortionist favors making abortion illegal. A true pro-lifer recognizes that making abortion illegal will mean more deaths as back-alley hack jobs go on the rise, and address the abortion problem from that angle.
The late Pope John Paul II was a perfect example of someone who was truly pro-life. And to be fair, many people who are anti-abortion are also pro-life across the board.
Bush doesn’t fit the profile of a true pro-lifer.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:10 pmOnce Jesus comes back, so we can turn water into wine, and make 1 fish 2 fish (also red fish, and potentially blue fish) we can start taking care of others, until then there is a finite resource issue, and it is our god given right to horde as much as we can.
Comment by Squegeeboo
To Katy, et al. You don’t consider this a statement by a troll?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:11 pmBTW, I was referring to JMOHR’s post @ 11:08 am.
He really can’t be serious. Can he?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:12 pmWayne
I for one enjoyed many discussions with Tundra.
And I never considered him a troll, for that thats worth.
I also enjoy reading your comments as well. heh
Thanks Wayne, and there were some people Tundra enjoyed discussing stuff and things with, my post about why he was burnt out was directed more at these types of people/comments (just a few quick easy examples):
MCMetal
What is the purpose of any liberal having to listen to/read an explanation on willful ignorance , which is all cancervatism is ?
It’s the intellectual equivalent of masturbating with a cheese grater
bilbobaggins
October 17th, 2007 at 12:13 pmSorry, I refuse to try to understand the position of black-hearted people
Once Jesus comes back, so we can turn water into wine, and make 1 fish 2 fish (also red fish, and potentially blue fish) we can start taking care of others, until then there is a finite resource issue, and it is our god given right to horde as much as we can.
Comment by Squegeeboo
To Katy, et al. You don’t consider this a statement by a troll?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 17, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Hmmm — it DOES kind of remind me of Ann Coulter saying “God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ “
October 17th, 2007 at 12:14 pmcomment by RemoveBush @ 12:11 pm
YEEOUCH!
You just made my thingy go into hiding with that one.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:16 pmLet’s take a look at inequality, injustice, oppression, deceit, disloyalty, necrofelia, rape, murder, suicide, warfare, apathy, cannibalism and other anti-social behaviours of mankind. Are you sure fertility is not a disease? Because, the way I consider it, apples never fall far from the trees, and my God almighty, do we have trees that produced some mighty bad apples…..
October 17th, 2007 at 12:16 pmTypical Chimpy administration hire ; a dope with no family of her own , hired to oversee federal family planning programs at the Department of Health and Human Services …….Incompetence breeding more incompetence
Comment by MCMetal — October 17, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
And how much do you want to bet this will be an “interim” appointment requiring no Senate confirmation?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:17 pmOnce Jesus comes back, so we can turn water into wine, and make 1 fish 2 fish (also red fish, and potentially blue fish) we can start taking care of others, until then there is a finite resource issue, and it is our god given right to horde as much as we can.
Comment by Squegeeboo
To Katy, et al. You don’t consider this a statement by a troll?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 17, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
No. It is a sarcastic (like Colbert) and agitating comment, typical of Squegeeboo, which I believe is meant to and actually does advance the discussion.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:17 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
No. It is a sarcastic (like Colbert) and agitating comment, typical of Squegeeboo, which I believe is meant to and actually does advance the discussion.
Or at the very least a not so subtle swipe at bible belt conservatives, with a Doctor Seuss reference. No one can hate on the good Doctor.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:20 pmWayne
I for one enjoyed many discussions with Tundra.
And I never considered him a troll, for that thats worth.
I also enjoy reading your comments as well. heh
Thanks Wayne, and there were some people Tundra enjoyed discussing stuff and things with, my post about why he was burnt out was directed more at these types of people/comments (just a few quick easy examples):
MCMetal
What is the purpose of any liberal having to listen to/read an explanation on willful ignorance , which is all cancervatism is ?
It’s the intellectual equivalent of masturbating with a cheese grater
bilbobaggins
Sorry, I refuse to try to understand the position of black-hearted people
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
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And here is a quick and easy example of the cheese-grater intellectual , hard at work :
bilbobaggins
You think that protecting children is an “intrusive arm of social services� You don’t believe that we have an obligation to protect the children in our country?
Yes I think it is intrusive(at least from the perspective of the family being investigated), and I fully support it being so.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 11:28 am
There’d be more thought and insight in a post by a sponge ; you possess the brilliance and depth of a drop of bug urine ……..
October 17th, 2007 at 12:20 pmBesides the fact that anyone that is a “conservative” , is by nature of the word and ideology , a selfish and narrow-minded individual , unwilling to accept that their stubborn ways are archaic and ignorant.
PatrioticLiberalChristian
Also, it points out two things
1. Jesus did support/heal/etc everyone he could, so why are Christian conservatives so against trying to do the same
2. Liberals love to toss out stuff about Jesus support/heal/etc everyone he could while ignoring that he had supernatural powers that made it a whole heck of a lot easier in terms of logistics and supplies.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:22 pmI would feel a little bit better about this choice (Susan Orr) if someone could certify that she at least had sex once in her life. Looking at her I really doubt it, but at least she would have some idea as to what goes on there. She looks like a scary Bible school teacher. You know the ones who tell you about all the dangers of activities they themselves never participated in. Another excellent choice Mr. President. Your winning streak is still intact.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:22 pmBTW, I was referring to JMOHR’s post @ 11:08 am.
He really can’t be serious. Can he?
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 17, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
JMOHR’s post is such a stereotype that one could easily assume it’s sarcasm. However, there are many people who truly do think like that, so I am taking that post to be meant in all seriousness.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:23 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
No. It is a sarcastic (like Colbert) and agitating comment, typical of Squegeeboo, which I believe is meant to and actually does advance the discussion.
Or at the very least a not so subtle swipe at bible belt conservatives, with a Doctor Seuss reference. No one can hate on the good Doctor.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
And we’re all breathlessly awaiting your ascension to Sesame Street referrences ; oh , there will much joy in Mudville………
October 17th, 2007 at 12:24 pm1. Jesus did support/heal/etc everyone he could, so why are Christian conservatives so against trying to do the same
2. Liberals love to toss out stuff about Jesus support/heal/etc everyone he could while ignoring that he had supernatural powers that made it a whole heck of a lot easier in terms of logistics and supplies.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
October 17th, 2007 at 12:28 pm2. Liberals love to toss out stuff about Jesus support/heal/etc everyone he could while ignoring that he had supernatural powers that made it a whole heck of a lot easier in terms of logistics and supplies.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
I agree with you that it was a lot easier for Jesus to heal a blind person that it would be for me. Or you (I am assuming here that you don’t have that kind of power).
But we DO have the power and the resources to take care of people. Maybe not quite in the same way that Jesus did, but we can do it within our human abilities. We are the richest country on the planet. We have scientific and medical technology that’s state of the art. We CAN take care of our people if we want to — we just need the compassion to do so.
Yes, Jesus had the power to do things in a supernatural way. He also did some things in a more mortal way that we could emulate. You’ll notice that He never let someone else suffer just so he could add to his wealth.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:30 pmLet’s try this again!
1. Jesus did support/heal/etc everyone he could, so why are Christian conservatives so against trying to do the same
I don’t know, Squegeeboo, and I challenge them about this
2. Liberals love to toss out stuff about Jesus support/heal/etc everyone he could while ignoring that he had supernatural powers that made it a whole heck of a lot easier in terms of logistics and supplies.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:32 pmWe can’t do anything perfectly, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
For humans, it’s all about priorities. You must admit that we as a country
waste an awful lot of our resources (that’s how I see you as “conservative”) on priorities which do not advance the general welfare.
You’ll notice that He never let someone else suffer just so he could add to his wealth.
Comment by missmolly — October 17, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Because he wasn’t a Republican or one of the chuckleheads that currently supports the horseshit GOP ; he was a LIBERAL …………..
October 17th, 2007 at 12:33 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
Let’s try this again!
And here I thought my words were just that powerful they needed repeating.
For humans, it’s all about priorities. You must admit that we as a country
waste an awful lot of our resources (that’s how I see you as “conservativeâ€) on priorities which do not advance the general welfare.
Heck yah we do. But like I said, it’s our god given right to horde as much as we can.
What was that child care bill going to cost? 1 month in Iraq or something along those lines?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:34 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
Let’s try this again!
And here I thought my words were just that powerful they needed repeating.
For humans, it’s all about priorities. You must admit that we as a country
waste an awful lot of our resources (that’s how I see you as “conservativeâ€) on priorities which do not advance the general welfare.
Heck yah we do. But like I said, it’s our god given right to horde as much as we can.
What was that child care bill going to cost? 1 month in Iraq or something along those lines?
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Do you have a point anywhere in this useless stupid post of yours ?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:38 pmjust wait til the bible zombies are running everything.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:39 pmSquegeeboo
I thought of something yesterday that the fiscal conservative in you might appreciate. The Democrats have been labeled the “tax and spend” politicians for years now. Really, though, isn’t this more “conservative” than the “tax your grandchildren” fiscal approach that the Republicans, especially the current crop of neocons have been employing?
I have not really been joking about you being a progressive. I would really like to see a melding of the good elements of the progressives (social libertarian ideology and general welfare pooling of resources) and the true conservatives (fiscal responsibility). That’s where I am and, I think, you are also.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:43 pmJMOHR & Squegee:
FYI- “It’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.”
Just thought you’d like to know.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:48 pmSomeone get her a burka.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:53 pmHey Sueege, I see your boss has let you goof off, again today.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:55 pmWe CAN take care of our people if we want to — we just need the compassion to do so.
Yes, Jesus had the power to do things in a supernatural way. He also did some things in a more mortal way that we could emulate. You’ll notice that He never let someone else suffer just so he could add to his wealth.
Comment by missmolly
Well said missmolly.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI wonder how many mothers and children have been blown to pieces or immolated (or both) in a country that did no harm to us by this “culture of life” administration. So soothing to receive lectures on the sanctity of life from these people.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:56 pmHow many children does she have?
October 17th, 2007 at 1:06 pmMCMetal
Do you have a point anywhere in this useless stupid post of yours ?
Theres several points. All you have to do is see them.
PatrioticLiberalChristian
October 17th, 2007 at 1:11 pmThat’s where I am and, I think, you are also.
Pretty much, but it seems like I place the fiscal over the social in terms of importance, and you may be the opposite.
The Title X family planning program, which Susan Orr will now be overseeing, is a critical part of our country’s health care safety net for low-income women, providing contraceptive care and other preventive health services to more than 5 million women each year. We’ll be watching to see what happens next with this appointment…
Steph Sterling here at the National Women’s Law Center has more details on this in her blog post from yesterday.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:12 pmUncle Ho
FYI- “It’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.â€
With a good cuisinart and a little patience you can get most anything thru the eye of a needle. But point taken, haven’t heard that saying in a while.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThe Title X family planning program, which Susan Orr will now be overseeing, is a critical part of our country’s health care safety net for low-income women, providing contraceptive care and other preventive health services to more than 5 million women each year.
Comment by Robin@NWLC — October 17, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Susan Orr’s plan for Title X family planning program: “just keep your legs crossed, honey…”
October 17th, 2007 at 1:17 pmPretty much, but it seems like I place the fiscal over the social in terms of importance, and you may be the opposite.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Actually, I see them as intermingled, much like with my own finances. I have a “wish list” I carry around either in my head or on paper, things I want that could make my family’s life easier or more enjoyable. Sometimes, I borrow money for those things (my nice house for example) but I do so within my budget to pay for it in a timely fashion and I try to get a good bargain (like being the general contractor and doing some of the work myself). Other things I wait for until “extra money” comes along like with a tax refund or working extra hours. And sometimes, I borrow money for an emergency.
Similarly, those of us who are socially progressive see government as having a role in securing a better life for people through shared expending of our resources. Our country needs a priority list of “social programs” to advance the general welfare. Some social programs, like police (yes, that’s a social program) are priorities and some are more important at different times in the life of our country. We just may simultaneously need the more fiscally conservative citizens to help with the “when and how”.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI am beginning to believe that these appointees need a psychological exam prior to getting the post. I really thought that birth control was private issue way back in the 60’s. Again it is mixing religious beliefs with social programs which is insane. Maybe only confirmed Atheists should be appointed to social programs. At least they would be objective. I hope.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:57 pmMCMetal
Do you have a point anywhere in this useless stupid post of yours ?
Theres several points. All you have to do is see them.
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
All you have to do is make them ………….
October 17th, 2007 at 2:03 pmBilbobaggins
Xisihmus
Missmolly
UncleHo
Wayne
Katy
Liberty
For those of you who voted for snark, you were right. For those who thought I was serious, you were wrong.
I got see how God helped those who tried to do the right thing several years ago. I was an attorney litigating a construction case. It came to my attention that the daily logs used to support the costs of differing site conditions, change specifications etc. had been faked.
I actually had a written statement of the person who manufactured the material. I went to the client and told him that we could not litigate the case.
It was the end of my job, my career and (in many ways) my life. I get sick and tired of the scum who so religiously claim the high ground while they really worship a false God.
I am an atheist. I believe that doing good and caring for our fellow man is its own reward. It amazes me that people believe that God demands our obedience and will forgive our sins up to the moment of our death no matter how much we sinned before. It sounds like a wonderfull
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October 17th, 2007 at 2:04 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
You sir, hopefully have a newsletter that I can subscribe too. Thanks for the thought food.
JMOHR
October 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI actually had a written statement of the person who manufactured the material. I went to the client and told him that we could not litigate the case.
Wow, just wow. Good on you, sorry to hear it caused so much grief for you.
Heck yah we do. But like I said, it’s our god given right to horde as much as we can.
What was that child care bill going to cost? 1 month in Iraq or something along those lines?
Comment by Squegeeboo — October 17, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Do you actually believe in your 1st 2 sentences ?
Please explain if so ………Your last 2 sentences contain no “points” , just questions ; so in summarizing , you made 1 statement and asked a couple of questions …….That isn’t “several points” , Squeezinboobs .
October 17th, 2007 at 2:08 pmCONTINUE COMMENT 124
It sounds like a wonderful idea for those who are already wealthy and powerful. I can screw up however I like and gain instant credibility. Kind of like buying a pardon for one’s sins from the old catholic church.
Snark is one of the few things that I have left with which to respond to a society in which I have lost all confidence and a life I no longer find worth living.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:11 pmMCMetal
Do you actually believe in your 1st 2 sentences ?
Read enough of my posts and you’ll start figuring out which ones are snarks and which ones are my real views. Until then, it’s fun to watch you guess. But don’t worry, the others tend to be nice enough to explain if it’s a serious comment done sarcastically or a sarcastic comment done seriously.
Your last 2 sentences contain no “points†, just questions
October 17th, 2007 at 2:11 pmPartially true. While grammatically they were just questions, if you combine them with my previous comments in this thread, and other peoples responses (and my responses to them) they are in fact points poising as questions.
Sorry, Squegeeboo, no newsletter but I do have this fantasy of writing a book about how Christians should support a separation of church and state because of Scriptural doctrine. I just can’t get myself to work hard enough to do it! Anyway, thank you for the compliment. I seriously do like your posts and I get your satire. I also think that you are much more of a “fiscally responsible progressive” than you admit.
I gotta go. I’ll be looking for your posts in the future.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#120 - Republicans hate any welfare moms, but don’t want any contraception to be used…..does anyone else see the Alice In Wonderland theory here ?
Glen Beck was on a morning show today, spouting that sex education should not be taught in school. That bad parents enabled their children to be promiscuous. You just wonder do they really believe what they are saying? Contraceptive information generally prevents promiscuity rather than promoting.
We are encouraged to talk to our kids about using drugs, does that make them go out and score some drugs. I don’t think so. How about giving the reasons to wait along with information on problems of unprotected sex. How about keeping communication lines open.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pm….a life I no longer find worth living.-comment by JMOHR @ 2:11 pm
don’t do anything foolish. please.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:20 pmUncle Ho: won’t do anything foolish. However, I went from having great belief and respect in my country, the law and our system of government to really questioning it all. There just seems to be so little empathy and so much hatred in this country. We just seem to want to throw everything away that made us great. I lived through the Viet Nam War era. I started as a believer and turned against it. It was the public debate that educated me. We now see a world in which neither the press or the populace seem to care or act. We see a continual division of our people with a narrow minded, winner take all form of self interest. We see an oligarchy of corporate interests that just seems unbeatable. Why would you have any faith that we will become any more that a third world country with an impoverished population base and an elite controlling through a repressive government, corporate owned public media and repressive evangelical religion.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:36 pmFunny thing, I thought the right-wing had the monopoly on the “culture of death”.
Oh, that’s right, war doesn’t count when you’re a conservative.
** eyes roll upward **
October 17th, 2007 at 2:46 pm#132 - If you have children or grandchildren you are obligated to leave this world better. And, look around the wheel is beginning to turn back….we have gone so far to the evilness, selfishness of mankind that the most hard hearted ones are begining to wake up and want change. Who would have said a year ago Bush’s approval rating would hit 24% ?
Don’t you see how insane the arguments from the Rightwingers are becoming which means they know they have nothing to argue with.
Smearing children, for Gods sake !
I feel more hopeful now than ever before that we will return to a balance. It breaks my heart that so many young in our country and Iraq had to die but hopefully mankind overall will learn something from our loss.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:58 pmFor those of you who voted for snark, you were right. For those who thought I was serious, you were wrong.
Comment by JMOHR — October 17, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
I am extremely happy that I’m wrong in this instance. You do snark extremely well, and I’m looking forward to more of your posts.
The reason you fooled me is that I know people who seriously believe what you posted. I apologize for my rant in response.
I’m also sad that you have been personally screwed by what’s wrong with our society. I long for the day when doing the right thing takes precedence over the “what’s in it for me?” mindset of corporate and fat cat interests. But I find that as I get older, I get more jaded and less idealistic.
I’m encouraged that the election of 2008 will be a start to renewing hope.
October 17th, 2007 at 3:07 pmIf you have children or grandchildren you are obligated to leave this world better. And, look around the wheel is beginning to turn back….we have gone so far to the evilness, selfishness of mankind that the most hard hearted ones are begining to wake up and want change. Who would have said a year ago Bush’s approval rating would hit 24% ?
Don’t you see how insane the arguments from the Rightwingers are becoming which means they know they have nothing to argue with.
Smearing children, for Gods sake !
I feel more hopeful now than ever before that we will return to a balance. It breaks my heart that so many young in our country and Iraq had to die but hopefully mankind overall will learn something from our loss.
Comment by texaslady — October 17, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
1st off , you’re working off a false premise/assumption……
Why is Chimpy the Wonder Monkey’s approval rating at even 24 % ??
That is entirely WAY TOO HIGH ; it remains jaw-droppingly obvious to me that there are way too many of those that willingly remaining hard-hearted and selfish , and will never change.
As for the wrong wingnuts and their lack of a coherent argument ; that has been on-going since Ronnie Retard’s garbage presidency.
Doubtful those type of fools will ever have anything remotely relevant and/or tangible to say or write ; almost 30 years of spewing propogandist bullshit and made-up myths to further an individual’s so-called legacy is so completely devoid of anything that could be considered honorable or desirable , it borders on the psychotic.
In ending
There is no such thing as “balance” when it’s a question between right and wrong ; there’s either one or the other.
October 17th, 2007 at 3:20 pmAnd their is nothing “right” about the loss of human life having to be used as a ‘teaching tool’ for those that are imbeciles ; if they can’t understand the worthlessness of that on any and every level , they are unreachable no matter what method is used.
Culture of death, you mean like allowing children to die without health insurance, while invading a country and causing a million people to die? Is that what they mean?
The GOP is fixated on preserving fetuses that they then wish to kill and let die as children and adults! GOP care more about those not born, than they do for the living - what a SICK CULTURE OF DEATH!
October 17th, 2007 at 3:57 pmOnce Jesus comes back, so we can turn water into wine, and make 1 fish 2 fish (also red fish, and potentially blue fish) we can start taking care of others, until then there is a finite resource issue, and it is our god given right to horde as much as we can.
Comment by Squegeeboo
To Katy, et al. You don’t consider this a statement by a troll?
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 17, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
sorry i missed this, bilbobaggins…
had some chores to do ourside… getting a bit of rain now…
but, no, i took squeegee’s post there to be sarcasm…
not his best bit, but i got it anyway…
you can tell he’s a youngun’… i’d like to check in with him in 5 years…
October 17th, 2007 at 3:57 pmthat will be rewarding… he’ll probably make a good prize for someone…
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JMOHR… i can relate…
hang in, hang around… we all need each other…
i enjoy your posts…
October 17th, 2007 at 3:59 pm.
I don’t care what anyone says, Squeegy is alright. :-)
October 17th, 2007 at 4:09 pm#136 - Without this terrible, unfair loss of life would we be as enraged at the loss of our rights in this country? Would we question how America has fallen in integrity in the world? Would it bother anyone that a President would insult every ally?
We allowed the Supreme Court to appoint a President, we allowed the second election to go unquestioned even tho there were so many fraudulent happenings. We allow cowards and religous leaders to smear anyone with dissenting opinions.
The balance is ; the world, no Americans are waking up and questioning what has happened and beginning to say NO MORE !
Commentators like Keith Olbermann didn’t have a large audience, he does now and his commentaries speak for many of us. It would not have happened in 2003.
Many of us did write, march and beg for a voice but many more wanted to believe in the guy they could have a beer with. The phoney cowboy.
October 17th, 2007 at 4:14 pmJesus H. Christ. That woman is NUTS.
Send her back to the Dark Ages - where she belongs!!!!
October 17th, 2007 at 4:21 pm#143
I’m sorry for any of you foolish enough to “believe” or even want to in a life-long failure and imbecile ; perhaps everyone should have thought of that before ever even considering that phoney cowboy as being capable of anything ………
I know I did ; I have always disliked him , and he has given me no reason to ever regret feeling that way about him from the outset.
How could anyone believe that someone so incapable of even the most basic thing(s) , would be capable of turning that around in their 50’s and 60’s ?
If you or anyone else needs to see anything more than the video of Sir Chimpalot on the morning of 9/11 in front of those kids , and frozen in position for a FULL 7 MINUTES AFTER BEING TOLD THE COUNTRY IS UNDER ATTACK WITHOUT EVEN ASKING A QUESTION , LET ALONE MOVING , perhaps you need to re-think or renounce your voting privilege/rights ………………
October 17th, 2007 at 4:27 pm#143 - who is believing in this idiot ? Are you reading these comments ? We all see and love that 5% more are waking up than even last week !
Mr. Dumbass Bush was a dumbass as a governor, half of Texas couldn’t believe the rest of the country voting for this jackass. We had a surplus when he got the office and he left a deficit just now clearing up. Our environment went totally to hell, we had more pollution than California.
We couldn’t believe everyone fawning over this rotten to the core, simpleton. I still can’t believe when his crowd wants to shake his hand, when I happen to flip to a channel and he is on, I want to take a shower. I can’t even imagine being married to this slimebucket.
I will hang a sign in my yard when he reaches 5% approval !!!
October 17th, 2007 at 4:37 pm#145
Umm , How could anyone from Texas denigrate anyone else in the country voting for the Chimpster for president , when half the voters in Texas itself voted for the guy that you claim was a horrible governor for the highest office in the land ?
I tend to be a bit more lenient towards those who weren’t all that familiar with the turd than those who lived/shared the same backyard and witnessed his idiocy 1st-hand , and on a daily basis…………
October 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmApparently (according to Susan Orr), I must be guilty of the “culture of death” everytime I masturbate. Guess I’m gonna burn in hell for that. The only solution I can think of is if I try to impregnate as many ladies as I can so that these poor sperm don’t become part of Susan’s “culture of death” legacy. Come on right-wing ladies, let’s get it on!
October 17th, 2007 at 4:52 pmAs I said half, just as eager to lap up his crap as the rest. However, Gore won the popular vote but our Senior Bush appointed Supremes and Enron paid attorneys gave Bush the Presidency.
I don’t claim, just read the statistics. And I will denigrate anyone too lazy to read a history of this awol phoney cowboy and family before voting in 2006.
Where was your voice when Mr. awol started sending our people to Iraq ? Were you reading how convenient 9/11 was for Cheney and Bush? Have you read the PNAC papers which place Cheney agreeing
America should control Middle East oil ?
Bottom line what are you disagreeing with ? My comment was most people will be so sick of the carnage this administration has done to America they will be cautious before allowing to happen again.
October 17th, 2007 at 5:07 pmActually does anyone even take any of Bush’s appointees seriously anymore ? He is hard pressed to even get volunteers to work for him, maybe he needs to try a temp agency.
October 17th, 2007 at 5:10 pmJMOHR- I remember the Vietnam era all too well. Just hang in there and believe that someday, somehow, things will get better. And those are the days worth living for.
October 17th, 2007 at 7:29 pmIt just doesn’t add up..why do the anti-abotion crowd (Republicans) “all life begins at conception…yada, yada, yada”..why is that crowd so war-driven, so death penalty driven? And what the hell happened to the SCHIP program if they are all so pro-life, anti-abortion?
October 18th, 2007 at 12:59 amSome of these appointees are better suited as freak show attractions.
Point in case, this woman who was clearly born in the wrong century. She could have a booth between the bearded lady and the fire-eating man.
Not to mention I am always suspicious of a conservative woman who has a career, no visible husband, and is not pregnant most of the time.
Speaking of which, I am also suspicious of conservatives who speak out against contraception but have few or no children. How many children does this woman have? Oh right, she abstains… riiiight…
October 18th, 2007 at 1:33 amWouldn’t the appointment of this Susan Orr woman be again, allowing a religious fundamentalist to enter into a position of politics.
Why are presidents allowed to appoint anyone.
From what I understand, the position of the president was not as it is today….it was almost like the “queen” of England today, not irrelevant, but not as powerful as we have allowed him to be.
October 18th, 2007 at 7:08 amYou don’t need to make up stories about right wingers. Just let them talk and they will prove themselves to be fools.
October 18th, 2007 at 8:57 amOk, I believe it should be the individual’s choice on whether or not to use birth control, abortion, etc. The government should not be involved in this. It should be the parents’ choice on what to teach the child about sex, and it should be the person’s decission if they use birth control or not.
October 21st, 2007 at 4:25 pmI’m pretty fed up with these asshats - theirs AND ours. The Dems aren’t c