Turkey votes to allow Iraq incursion.
By on Oct 17th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Turkey votes to allow Iraq incursion.
“Turkey’s Parliament voted today to give the government authority to send troops into northern Iraq, moving this NATO country one step closer to a military confrontation with Iraq over Kurdish rebels who hide there.”
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So, what will the US position on this be? Are we going to stand by Iraq, defend them, and pit US troops against Turkey, or are we going to send our troops against the Kurds? Or just stay out of the whole thing? Any ideas?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:28 pmI wish turkey would invade my kitchen; specifically, my oven. For 4 hours. Armed only with basters and bread crumbs.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:29 pmTurkey…
October 17th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThe new insurgency!
Is democracy spreading through the middle east yet?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:33 pmWasn’t that what invading Iraq was supposed to cause?
October 17th, 2007 at 12:33 pmSeams to be spreading instability more than anything. Ah! But wait, aren’t things supposed to be getting much better there, on all fronts since the surge? That’s what I keep hearing.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:35 pmSeems as though the only thing on the march in Iraq isn’t freedom , but lots of armed individuals on completely varying sides of the issues ………
October 17th, 2007 at 12:39 pmMemo to Turks…
Lots of Kurdish rebels hiding in Green Zone…
October 17th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI wonder if Hillary voted for that too.
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October 17th, 2007 at 1:25 pmSo, what will the US position on this be? Are we going to stand by Iraq, defend them, and pit US troops against Turkey, or are we going to send our troops against the Kurds? Or just stay out of the whole thing? Any ideas?
Nothing. We’re going to do nothing. At the moment, the Iraq occupation couldn’t happen without Turkey. Turkey is also one of the most secular Islamist countries. We will do nothing to tip that applecart.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:32 pmTurkey and the Kurds, with American in between.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:43 pmThat makes one he11 of a turkey and cheese sandwich.
Nothing. We’re going to do nothing. At the moment, the Iraq occupation couldn’t happen without Turkey. Turkey is also one of the most secular Islamist countries. We will do nothing to tip that applecart.
Comment by Namtillaku — October 17, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
I agree that Turkey is a main supply route for equipment in Iraq, and that it would be a tremendously stupid move for Bush to take an opposing position on this. That is why I think he will do it. Watch, soon redstate, limbaugh, hannity, etc. will start talking about how evil and bad Turkey is. At least that is my bet.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pmIf Turkey invades, do they count towards the Coalition of the Willing, as one of our allies in Iraq?
October 17th, 2007 at 1:59 pmComment by Dumb_Fox — October 17, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
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Nice.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:12 pmLibs must be proud. They intentionally brought up the Armenian genocide to incite the Turks to take these kinds of actions. Cowards, you won’t fight wars, but you love to start them.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pmHere is a test.
Check one.
Nation Coalition of the willing Enemy insurgent combatants
———————————————————————————————-
Turkey [ ] [ ]
Iran [ ] [ ]
answer:
October 17th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWRONG
Also:
October 17th, 2007 at 2:33 pmNotice what this announcement has done to the price of oil.
Record High!!!
This is sooo hypocritical…its ok for Bush to lie to Congress and break international law to invade a country that poses no threat….but it’s somehow wrong for Turkey to have a legitimate debate in its parliament so as to decide how to tackle a legitimate threat. Ahhh well Bush deserves what he gets…how will he deal with one of his allies destabalizing the only stable part of Iraq. Karma I tell you!!!
October 17th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThis is huge news.
The Bush administration has been threatening Iran, pumping up their rhetoric against that country on the mere allegation (with no accompanying evidence, of course, Bush-style) that Iran is meddling in Iraq’s internal affairs, fueling the insurgency there.
Now that the Turkish have all but announced that they will actually intervene in Iraq -no need for allegations or faking “evidence”- I am interested to see the reaction from the White House to this development.
I bet they will fly to Ankara to ask the Turks to play nice, pretty please…
October 17th, 2007 at 2:46 pmSo what will be the US/US military reaction to a Turkey incursion into Iraq?
Help the Kurds, Help the Turks, or do nothing?
Why is this not even discussed in USA TV news? Oh wait…yeah sorry…sometimes I believe I am back in Europe and have access to normal newscasts and not propaganda specialists spouting their (pay)masters opinions…
October 17th, 2007 at 3:00 pmThe Kurds will wind up betrayed by the U.S. again, who will support Turkey with the obstensible rationale of fighting terrorism, but actually to simply continue our occupation of Iraq. Destablizing Kurdistan is no big deal to the U.S….more money for all the war profiteers, more demand for troops, more excuses to stay longer (like forever) in Iraq. Oh yeah…and also grab control of Kurdistan’s oil.
October 17th, 2007 at 4:45 pmWow,
a Parliament that actually has the ability to decide whether or not its forces can make incursions into foreign lands.
What a noble idea… and here we thought that Democracy would only come to Muslim countries through outside force.
October 17th, 2007 at 6:36 pmMy ignorant American fellows, Turkey is not the most Islamist country. It is the most democratic country whose majority is muslim. Islam has nothing to do with their system or governing.
turkey is our close ally, second biggest army of nato belongs to turkey, they are exteremily nationalist and ready to fight in their conflict.
Unlike we, they are an old civilization, their ancestors was Ottoman Turks ( Ottoman Empire 1219 – 1923)
They are the one who conquered Konstantinapole and destroyed the east roman empire in 1453.
Maybe we got more advanced military techology but i am sure they have got the guts to fight us and fighting with turkey would result in so many casualties for both usa and turkey.
October 17th, 2007 at 7:20 pmDaryll..Exley? Bigfwat? Come on guys.. please prove you us your capeable of having opinions about things that dont come from Rush talking points?
The cynical person might say you have no comment because no one was told you what to think about one of our allies attacking terrorist kurds who are also our allies..
October 18th, 2007 at 1:20 amTurkey has been dealing with its people so many years; PKK is an organization with 30 years history,
October 18th, 2007 at 1:36 amThey couldn’t defeat PKK in their soil (they are fighting them in the west of turkey!).
For more than 30 years, PKK has something in the people, they are rooted in the Kurdish community (40% of Turkish population is Kurds), PKK was born because Turkish government has been destroying villages, culture and Kurdish identity from 1930(Ottoman empire divided), why they couldn’t defeat PKK even when, Turkey, Saddam , Hafez Assad (former Syria ruler) and Iran were in the same side against Kurds. Because their homes are in Turkey.Syria has not given to a percent of its Kurd minority even identity .
American bill was a good warning to Turkey, because Turkey may do same thing (genocide) again even to Iraqi Kurds. Turkish government has been burning 3000 Kurdish villages, ask UNCHR and UN surveys. All these PKK fighers are under 28 years old. Burnt towns , no job , no opportunity and no hope .Just read Kurds history and their oppression in Modern Turkey. Please do not be biased by Turkish lobby in US and EU. Kurds have no voice, Turkey is pushing hard Denmark to shutdown the only Kurdish satellite channel for Turkey’s Kurds in the world (MEDTV closed and now pressuring RojTV).They had to air from Europe.
Why Turks are so aggressive toward their people, why you don’t give the right of studying mother tongue, media, equal job opportunity etc. They call Kurds mountains’ Turks , not even recognize them as Kurd. Kurds were in the region many years before. Go Turkey (east part) you think you are in the one of former colonies. Discrimination is horrible. They support Palestinians, invite Hamas, blaming on Isreal; in the same time have military agreement with Israel and can not see the problem just under their nose. All these aggressive actions are to fool Turkish mass. They just want Turks to send their sons to fight Kurds. High ranking Turkish generals are in the business of weapons with US companies(google that) . Who give them Apache helicopters and guns? Turkey has used chemical weapons (in the Sirnak mountains and elsewhere) against rebels, no one warned them even US ,because they were friends , but now US wants Iraq’s oil, Turkey wants Kirkuk’s oil. US has closed its eyes on Turkey’s tyranny and genocide that is why Turkish government can not ignore US, they have agreements.read Chomsky’s comments. It was US, who put terrorist word in the mouth of world. Turkey and US were strategic geopolitically partner, and that is why they put PKK in the terror list. Countries should not use terrorism as a pretext to invade their people. Turkish media is full of warmongers propaganda, why no one in turkey ask a question, why a civil war lasts for more than 70 years, it is just 30 years for PKK, how about other uprisings , what these people want? 30 years of civil war is not a headache, it is a serious problem with Big Brother.
Turkey used NATO and US as a tool many times, and now US has its own interest in the region and Turkey see now as a time to make genocide and wipe off them of the map. What did to aremnians.Why you don’t go search about Armenian genocide. They are facts and images out there.
YES, US is an occupier in Iraq, but this bill shows that Turkey can make genocide not only to its people but to people of other nations.
The idea that a Middle Eastern democratic nation (whether Iraq or Turkey, it doesn’t matter) will somehow have national interests perfectly aligned with those of the US has clearly been proven wrong.
Yet another Bush talking point is laid to waste.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:36 amsee here :
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kicadam/artikel/unhright2.html
October 18th, 2007 at 1:42 amTurkey has a reason to get in to Northern Iraq, the same reason the US used to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, to eliminate terrorists, to wage `war on terror`. In this case, Kurdish terrorists (not rebels, terrorists) are crossing the Turkish border and killing some random innocent people and going back to where they came from, Northern Iraq . And if Iraqi government is not willing to do anything about it, Turkey is probably going to do. Plus, whoever tells Turkey to not invade Iraq should explain Turkey what they are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq. (By the way, what happened to Saddam`s mass destruction weapons? Maybe we should blame Turkey for that too :))
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:41 pm