Fox News To Air Frank Gaffney’s ‘Alarmist’ ‘Unfair’ Documentary On Islam
Fox News To Air Frank Gaffney’s ‘Alarmist’ ‘Unfair’ Documentary On Islam
This Saturday at 9 PM EST, Fox News will be airing Islam vs. Islamists, a documentary following “moderate Muslims who have challenged the ‘Islamists’ who espouse a more radical view of their religion“:
The producers, Martyn Burke, Frank Gaffney, and Alex Alexiev received “$675,000 in public funds from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting” for the project, which was originally slated to appear on PBS.
But in April, PBS decided against airing the film as part of its America at a Crossroads series. Burke leveled accusations of political bias, claiming that the network decided to pull the program “after he refused to fire” Gaffney and Alexiev, both of whom head the right-wing Center for Security Policy.
PBS’s actual complaints dealt with the film’s inaccuracies. The spokeswoman for WETA, a PBC affiliate, said, “It was about filmmaking and documentary standards. We had no problem with the argument laid out in the film.” PBS ombudsman Michael Getler explains:
In summarizing the various collective critiques by PBS and WETA officials, plus those of “Crossroads” host Robert MacNeil, these officials said of their suggestions: “In every instance they were predicated on the stated judgment that the content of the piece was potentially very strong, but that its presentation was flawed by incomplete storytelling, a limited focus that does not adequately corroborate the film’s conclusions, and a general lack of attention to the obligation of fairness, which requires that viewers have access to additional context and relevant information about a complex subject.”
Jeff Bieber, WETA’s executive producer for Crossroads, said that the film had “serious structural problems (and)…was irresponsible because the writing was alarmist, and it wasn’t fair.” PBS gave the producers the chance to make changes to the film, but they refused. Fox News, however, has taken them up on the opportunity to air these inaccuracies.
Gaffney’s prejudice against Muslims is well-know even in conservative circles. Right-wing activist Grover Norquist once called Gaffney a “sick, little bigot” for baselessly charging that various Muslim Bush administration officials have ties to terrorists.
Fox will air Islam vs. Islamists as part of a larger special, Inside Islam: Faith vs. Fanatics, which will also include interviews with Burke and Gaffney.
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Anyone else notice that when Fox News airs a special report, it always seems to have a right-wing bent to it?
I’m beginning to sense a pattern…
October 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmWow. FUX Noise promoting bigotry and promulgating hatred toward Muslims…??
So what else is new?
October 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmRight-wing activist Grover Norquist once called Gaffney a “sick, little bigot†, “accusations of political bias”, “the film’s inaccuracies,” “was irresponsible because the writing was alarmist, and it wasn’t fair.â€
Sounds Perfect for the Faux NoNews Crowd, they will eat it up and call it fact.
Buck Fush
October 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmFourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism
# 3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous†acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.†Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
October 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmFine.
We’ll be anticipating the follow up documentary,
Inside Christianity: Works versus Words
and the segment entitled:
Christians vs. Christianists
October 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmHey you heathen commie librul!!! Quit picking on Jebus!!!
October 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI remember this. FOX accused PBS of being biased and pro-terrorist.
PBS gave Perleman an entire hour in the series to spread his lies.
October 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pmFOX is State-Sponsored Propaganda.
October 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmFox air the views of a sick, little bigot? That isn’t a special report at Fox. It is regular content.
October 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmI will wait to cast judgement. We all understand Islamic extremism is our largest challange in America. We are at war with them afterall. It could be interesting but it sounds like TP thinks this film will be a one sided affair showing the extremist muslims as our friends?? I can’t believe that as we all know they are our enemy.
October 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“The producers, Martyn Burke, Frank Gaffney, and Alex Alexiev received “$675,000 in public funds from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting†for the project.”
I want my money back!
October 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmFaux Noise needs new materials to keep the hate and fear going. It sounds like this fills the bill perfectly.
Frankly I’m surprised that PBS even bankrolled this in the beginning. But since Bush has packed the PBS board with right-wingers, they have been looking more and more like Faux every day.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmComment by rastaman — October 19, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Indeed. Don’t forget illegal aliens. Another overblown threat. Anything to distract us from identifying the real enemies (within).
October 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhat do you expect from a Neocon guy like F. Gaffney who is a signatory of the PNAC (Project for the New American Century) project.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmHis documentary will be biased.
He knows nothing about Islam.
He is another ‘chickenhawk’ who keeps pushing for more wars in the Middle East that neither him nor his buddies have to fight .
I like to show this verse of the Koran to people who think that Islam is inherently warmongering:
And make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to your being righteous and observing your duty unto Him and making peace among mankind. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pmI want my money back!
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — October 19, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
If PBS paid for the project, wouldn’t they own it? How can another station air this program? This would be like NBC playing CBS’s “Survivor.”
I would think PBS got their money back on this. Actually, as viewer of both PBS and the Crossroads series, I sure the hell hope they got their money back.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI like to show this verse of the Koran to people who think that Islam is inherently warmongering:
And make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to your being righteous and observing your duty unto Him and making peace among mankind. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
Comment by erock — October 19, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Too bad the Muslims who blew up 150 other Muslims in Pakistan yesterday didn’t read it….
October 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmToo bad the Muslims who blew up 150 other Muslims in Pakistan yesterday didn’t read it….
Comment by Keltoi — October 19, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Maybe they read this:
Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pm-Jesus
It is about time. Way to go! I bet if they aired there was a plot to blow up an embassy or some towers that too would be considered ALARMIST!!!
The illegal aliens too. All those poor American people dying at the hands of known illegal alien criminals is another ALARMIST reaction. Say that to the poor families of the police officer killed or those aspiring students in New Jersey. Wait, they don’t matter, because we have to do what is for the common good…not what is right for America or Americans. We have to consider “everyone’s” feelings!
How about all that greedy money that is going to a great charity drummed up by Rush and those who bid on the Harry Reid letter? Nevermind, the little contributions by those that listen to him. Wow, what free, individual charitable organizations and citizens can do without government.
How much did all those, I got nothing better to do but lie about what Rush said while working on the American citizen dollar, donate out of their own pocket? You know since they care so much for the children only when the dip into the working man’s pocket.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmGee, Keltoi – how about you ’splain our CHRISTIAN friend Timothy McVeigh blowing up all those other Christian people in Oklahoma City…?
Or is that …say it with me now…. DIFFERENT?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmThis is disgusting. These people have no honor, nor have any who support them.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmFox air the views of a sick, little bigot? That isn’t a special report at Fox. It is regular content.
Comment by VerbalKint — October 19, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
No, that’s a Presidential Address.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmToo bad the Muslims who blew up 150 other Muslims in Pakistan yesterday didn’t read it….
Comment by Keltoi — October 19, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Maybe they read this:
Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.
-Jesus
Comment by erock — October 19, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
You are barking up the wrong dogma, my friend. If you can find something belligerent in the Tao Te Ching or the Dialogues of Socrates, feel free to beat me over the head with it. I reject all the dogmatic religions of the West, but don’t try to pretend SOME Muslims use Islam as a justification to kill.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmGee, Keltoi – how about you ’splain our CHRISTIAN friend Timothy McVeigh blowing up all those other Christian people in Oklahoma City…?
Or is that …say it with me now…. DIFFERENT?
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 19, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Nope. Equally psychotic, sick and twisted.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmI reject all the dogmatic religions of the West, but don’t try to pretend SOME Muslims use Islam as a justification to kill.
Comment by Keltoi — October 19, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Yes, just as SOME Christians use Christianity as a justification for killing. Why isn’t a documentary about the dangers of Christianity being aired?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmBecause we are not going around the world killing people in the name of Christianity!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Sure you are. Iraq had nothing to do with WMD. God spoke to GWB and told him to kill Iraqis. Now God is telling him to kill Iranians. Unfortunately God is also telling him to screw Americans. Some Republicans seem to have misunderstood that message… tap, tap, tap.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSo, if that’s the case, how is it that you use ONE example to condemn an entire religion (e.g. Islam) — and then when presented with ONE example of Christian barbarity, you can simply ignore it…?
If Islam is entirely barbaric based upon one act, then so is Christianity – by virtue of that same act.
Or again — is that DIFFERENT?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pmMichael:
October 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pmWhich network was it that caved to the right’s histronics regarding the Reagen miniseries before it was even shown. Do you see any double standard?
Wow. Being called a “sick little bigot” by Grover Norquist is like getting called ugly by a lobster. BTW, if the smart people all say that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, it doesn’t make them lemmings.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pmSounds just like what Ailes had in his talking-point memo this morning … MORE of the same old crap….bla..bla..bla….
Why don’t they just change the name to Pravda and be done with it??
October 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmIf Islam is entirely barbaric based upon one act, then so is Christianity – by virtue of that same act.
Or again — is that DIFFERENT?
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 19, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Show me where I said Islam was entirely barbaric.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:31 pmMichael – when was the last time you heard Ann Coulter speak…? She is constantly advocating killing every Muslim in the world – or converting them.
And now, I hear, she’s started in on the Jews as well.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:31 pmTypical, Keltoi. You IMPLIED it.
I know you are, but what am I???
Good grief.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:31 pmI’m not going to argue with you. It’s a completely useless occupation.
Read John Dean’s “Conservatives Without Conscience” – and then we can talk.
And now, I’m going to go bang my head on the wall – since that occupation is far more useful and fulfilling than attempting to have a logical debate with you RWA’s.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pmAlso, I’d like to point out that it’s the Christianists in this country who favor the life of a fetus over that of the mother, and don’t care at all about the child after it’s born. Dying of a disease that could be cured with stem cells? Too bad, Jesus says, “Die.” Suicidal because you were raped by your dad? Too bad, Jesus says, “Only the baby matters.” Are you poor and you did something bad? Jesus says, “Go to death row.” Starving due to overpopulation? Jesus says, “No birth control for you. Can’t you brown people just not have sex?” Poor and American? Too bad; Jesus says, “Send all your money to that televangelist.”
October 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pmSo, you see, this country kills lots of people in the name of Jesus.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.†-Mohandas Gandhi
Not very much other than I was curious in light of your 22 and 28 statements how you felt that example of ideologues freaking over content that they don’t like. So where did you stand on that matter. Were you concerned that the right lemmings fell right in line or not?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:35 pmSure, Michael, like you wingnuts don’t jump all over a Michael Moore movie until you’ve seen it.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmWhat does that have to do with this film?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Not very much other than I was curious in light of your 22 and 28 statements how you felt that example of ideologues freaking over content that they don’t like. So where did you stand on that matter. Were you concerned that the right lemmings fell right in line or not?
Comment by dbadass — October 19, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Sorry I have no clue how that ended up in the wrong place.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:41 pmYou liberals MIGHT be intelligent and HONEST enough to withhold judgement on this film until you’ve seen it.
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
I agree, michael. But i guess some progressives here see fit to follow the lead of the right wing, established when they criticized Sicko and An Inconvenient Truth without having seen those films. Silly, isn’t it? But what can you do?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pmTypical, Keltoi. You IMPLIED it.
Comment by Leftside
No. I implied one quote taken from the Koran is irrelevant, which it is.
Let’s fight about something real, Annie, instead of who’s Imaginary Best Friend is the most bloodthirsty. Erocks quote from the Koran shed no light on the state of Islam, no more than “Turn the other cheek” does for Christianity.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:44 pmHit a nerve? I’ve served 5 years in the U.S. Navy and am too old to serve today. When did you serve?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Michale was in the Navy for 5 years during the ’60’s and 70’s. And he is bragging about this? The draft was in effect during that time along with another illegal war – Vietnam. Those that joined the Navy during that time did so to avoid being drafted and sent to combat duty.
For the most part those that joined the Navy in those days, did so to avoid going into combat.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pmThis represents an escalation in propagandizing by the already prodigious Fox News. They are really pouring it on these days.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pmGee, I don’t WHY the left thinks that right-wingers question their patriotism… it’s so puzzling…
BTW, michael? Question? When did you stop beating your wife? Or yourself?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pmThey were more than credible, Michael. But, as you don’t know, facts have a well-known liberal bias. Our side documents the truth; your side twists the truth to fit an ideology.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:51 pmMichael:
October 19th, 2007 at 4:51 pmThe credibility of any film is not the issue. You seem concerned that liberals are unfairly jumping on this films case. Given the examples of the Reagan Miniseries, Michael Moore and Al Gore award winning works, we are simply curious if you logic carries over. Where you or where you not concerned about the “right lemmings”. The entire crux of your otherwise plausible criticism rides on your consistency of thought. So where you or weren’t you?
Including your hero kerry?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Ha ha ha, attack Kerry rather then defend yourself. Of course that’s because you know your story is phony. You’re just here to hijack threads, I’ll leave you to it.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pmThanks, but no thanks, Keltoi. You and I don’t exist in the same reality.
Although, I must say — I will be interested to see how things go for you once Dear Leader and the GOP are relegated to complete obscurity.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHow about a special on Christians vs Dominionists?
Didn’t think so.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:55 pmWho/what are you referring to?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
you, and anyone who thinks like you, obviously. idiot.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:55 pmThere are literally thousands of muslims around the world killing people in the name of some sick religion!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
proof? or are you just spouting another rightard lie?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pm“Bush seems only interested in fighting Muslim terrorists.
Comment by Dr. Mattâ€
Excellent place to start!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
he could start by not creating so many.
October 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pmGood for you! Question? What lifetime event turned you from a patriot to a traitor?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
did y8ou start out as a traitor, or turn into one?
October 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pmOh no! People want to kill us!! You’re in more danger crossing the street than you are from some fanatic in Basra. Actually, you’re in much more danger from Repug policies than you are from terrorists. Also: Please to grow a pair.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:00 pmIncluding your hero kerry?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
see how stupid and venal you appear? kerry volunterred for combat duty, Bush avoided any duty except to cocaine and booze. you’re in excellent co,pany, liar.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmTell that to the families of the 3,000 people killed on 9/11? You don’t think it can happen again?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
that was Bush’s fault for refusing to stop them. it can only happen again if repukew remain in positions of national security. Bush proved that.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pmHow did he create them?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
by invading an innocent country and murdering many thousands of innocent families. you’re especially stupid today.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmHi again Michael. So you were opposed the the right’s handling of the films they didn’t like right? Since you don’t seem to like to answer questions, I will have to assume so. Otherwise you whole premise would be mute and you would be incapable of consistency of logical thought. I have heard of your great prowess as a debator and superior education so I am sure you spoke out against the blind ideologies of the right as well as those you see in the left.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmI will be interested to see how things go for you once Dear Leader and the GOP are relegated to complete obscurity.
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 19, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Ah, the Sun will still rise in the East, Annie, the beer will still be cold, my dog will still love me.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmWe are fighting a war against people who want to kill us.
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
We are fighting this war stupidly, involving millions of muslims who did not want to kill us…..and destroying their country and lives so Now they do want to kill us…..
Bush’s non nuanced WAR on Terrorists has created more resentment towards America…..we need a better plan.
For example, how would Americans feel if the police went after the “BAD guys” and shot 17 innocent civilians….women and children… ???
October 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmTell that to the families of the 3,000 people killed on 9/11? You don’t think it can happen again?
Hey a$$hole – I was there. Don’t you dare tell me how to react to it or how scared I should be now. I wasn’t then and I am not now sh!tting my pants like some frightened little girl. I witnessed people jumping to their deaths 100 stories below WITH MY OWN TWO EYES. It really pisses me off when I have to sit here and listen to chickenhawk cowards like you tell me this and that about a day in which I ALMOST DIED and you were sitting there with all the other pu$$ies on the right watching it on FOX.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmor example, how would Americans feel if the police went after the “BAD guys†and shot 17 innocent civilians….women and children… ???
Comment by Badger — October 19, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
certainly not as bad as Iraqis feel about Bushco going after one guy and killing thousands, destroying their infrastructure, selling off their assets, pillaging their national treasures, raping their women and torturing their prisoners, I’m sure.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pmRather than the PBS/Liberal media approach.
Who owns media companies? Corporations
Who runs corporations? Conservatives
And yet these conservatives sit by while their companies are run according to the secret agenda of liberals? STFU.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pmee thanks! I didn’t know that? SANDY BERGER!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
excellent, you have your irrelevant, inane, off-topic talking points in front of you! Very good, like a Good German nazi wannabe!
October 19th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“Ah, the Sun will still rise in the East, Annie, the beer will still be cold, my dog will still love me.” In a nutshell, the extent of the wingnut’s concern for the nation and his community.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pmHello? Tough guys? Care to respond to my calling you pu$$ies? Care to respond to my actually having been UNDER THE BUILDINGS when they were attacked and why you still think you have the right to tell me what I should think or why I am the coward here? I’d really love to hear it.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmAh, the Sun will still rise in the East, Annie, the beer will still be cold, my dog will still love me.†In a nutshell, the extent of the wingnut’s concern for the nation and his community.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — October 19, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Oddly enough this is exactly what happened in MA and VT when homosexuals where offered dignity.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:13 pmBTW, Michael, I’m sitting right now on in a very tall building in sight of Ground Zero. I’m not scared. You’re sitting in your Mom’s basement in your underwear in some bozo town, and you’re panicking.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:13 pmFOX: “We report what the GOP tells us to; you decide if you’re ignorant and stupid enough to watch us; if so, we’ll sell you shit you don’t need along with our daily lies.”
October 19th, 2007 at 5:13 pmIf you’re not man enough to address me directly, tap it out in morse code. Cmon and put those “wide stances” to good use instead of trolling for head in the head.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWatch this documentary on Fox to see what PBS doesn’t want you to see: The unvarnished, politically incorrect truth.
“Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 19, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
How did you get to see it already?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmYou still haven’t said why you seem to know so much more than me about 9-11 when you weren’t there and I was, jerk.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pmANSWER ME YOU SONNOFAB!TCH
October 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pmMichael doesn’t answer questions, he asks them.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pmANSWERME GODDAMIT
October 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmNo, Michael, it was previous evil acts by the U.S. that created most of those terrorists, not this last invasion. However, the Pan Am bombing was apparently carried out by the CIA. Even the Scottish judge who presided over the case believes the convicted Libyans are innocent and were framed by the U.S.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmMichael I think Lefty is talking to you.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmyou don’t know sh1t and youre a goddam chickenhawk coward
ANSWER ME
October 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmtell me why you know more about 9-11 and what it means than some one who actually lived through it and almost died
October 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmHey, Mike? I know you’re trying, but you’re not a very good troll. Don’t feel bad, though, maybe there’s still hope for you as a human being.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmI almost died that day you cocksvcked and I’m telling you right now that you are the cowaard here. I was witness and you watched it on tv pissing in your pants
October 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pmI like the Fox approach.
“We report, you decide.â€
Rather than the PBS/Liberal media approach.
“We decide what you need to see.â€
Comment by jdc — October 19, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
1)Fox “News” only says “we report, you decide.” Its not what they actually practice. Its nothing more than a slogan, and a cheap one at that.
2) There is no Liberal Media. The Liberal Media is a boogeyman devised by the conservatives who have decided they don’t like actual facts.
3) PBS can make whatever decisions they want to make. Its their decision.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pmYou are all a bunch of blind IDIOTS!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
actually, our overthrow of the Iranian government and imposition of the Shah on them caused those incidents, along with the American conservative’s refusals to allow countries to have a say in their own governanace, our wholesale theft of their oil, our conservative’s greed allowing the terrorists training and funding, and our imposition of American troops in their religious center. Iraq has only created another several thousand on top of what your side has been busy creating since 1953.
Your lack of historical knowledge exposes your private school as a sham and a fraud, like your president.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pmSeems Brave Sir Michael intends to chicken out and run away from any and all questions AGAIN.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pmyou can take your lessons of 9-11 and shove them up your a$$
October 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pmDid our invasion of Iraq creat the muslim terrorists that took over our Iranian embassy?
No, read some history. It was our deposing of the legitimate ruler and installation of the shah by the CIA that pretty much did that.
Did our invasion of Iraq creat the muslim terrorists that killed all those Marines in Bereuit?
No, your Ronnie Raygun wanted to be a cowboy actor, that kinda kinked him up there.
What the hell is your point?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:20 pmANSWER THE QUESTION YOU COWARD
Why do you think you can tell me – who actually almost died on 9-11 – how scared I should be? Why do you think you can tell me ANYTHING about 9-11?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmANSWER ME
October 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmyou can take your lessons of 9-11 and shove them up your a$$
Comment by lefty — October 19, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
he loves that kind of talk. he’s a larry craig guy. michael is just another Gross Old Pervert, without patrioism or common sense, never mind how little courage he shows. he’ll never answer your questions. that would take brains and balls, and he is without either.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmCMON A$$HOLE
October 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmMichael is pounding you guys into the sand and you can’t see it.
How is that exactly? By not saying a word and hiding?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmMikey’s mom called him upstairs for afternoon cookies, milk and breast feeding, then a nap.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmF U
October 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmAh the typical liberal “America is wrong†response! I wonder why you continue to live here instead of your socialist paradise in Cuba?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
because once we’ve destroyed your treason party, we’re going to create a liberal paradise right here! we’ve been doing it for two centuries, fighting you neandertals all the way, and we always win! always! why? because we’re on the side of right and good, not greed and evil, where you reside, mikey the liar. but do continue your little dance of lies, since it seems to make you happy.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmHow is that exactly? By not saying a word and hiding?
Comment by lefty — October 19, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
He’s diverting the attention to himself. Every 2nd post revolves around him. Grow some & ignore the fool. He’ll either go away or look like a moron talking to himself.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI continue to live here, Michael, in the hope that we can somehow get rid of you wingnuts and put the country back on a path of decency and hope. Barring that, I’m going to stay here just so you wingnuts can’t do too much more damage. BTW, saying that we believe that “America is wrong” is the sloppiest kind of thinking. We believe that America, as controlled by you wingnuts, often does wrong, and we’d like to stop that.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI can’t I am so angry right now
October 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmMichael is pounding you guys into the sand and you can’t see it.
HE’s got Lefty ready to strap on a bomb vest.
Comment by jdc — October 19, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
actually, michael would get pounded into the sand rather quickly and completely if he ever encountered lefty. but, a coward like michael will never risk anything, having no honor or patriotism. same as you. cowards.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmHere you go Michael maybe this will help
tell me why you know more about 9-11 and what it means than some one who actually lived through it and almost died
Comment by lefty — October 19, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
October 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmComment by Lefty Patriot
into a pulp
October 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI can’t I am so angry right now
Comment by lefty — October 19, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
There ya go. That’s called being pounded into the sand. Some fool you don’t even know has the ability to make you so angry you argue incessantly with him, diverting attention from any kind of rational conversation. He wins. Much like Bin Laden has won. It’s very similar. Ignore the fool.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmcome to ny – i’ll throw you in the goddam hole you seem to love so much
October 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmUnlike you wingnuts, jdc, we don’t believe in things that aren’t happening. Like ISLAMOLIBERALFASCISM, eeeeeeek! Someone’s pounding sand here, but it’s not us.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by Dave C
my anger is not to his advantage. I am not Harry Reid. I don’t sit there and take it. I don’t suffer listening to chickensh!t conservatives calling me a coward. I fight back.
Anger is a gift.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmMuch like Bin Laden has won. It’s very similar. Ignore the fool.
Comment by Dave C — October 19, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
not fair, Dave C. Bin Laden won because he’s Bush’s buddy. michael, on the other hand, has no friends, and certainly wouldn’t be looked at twice by Bush.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmComment by michael
bullsh1t
October 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmprove it
real new yorkers don’t go down to ground zero liar. there is nothing to see and you can’t see in. you’re not from ny you lying sack of sh1t
October 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pmnot fair, Dave C. Bin Laden won because he’s Bush’s buddy. michael, on the other hand, has no friends, and certainly wouldn’t be looked at twice by Bush.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — October 19, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Of course it’s only my opinion, and I wasn’t saying the situations were identical. But if you consider that Michael is only here to disrupt the place then he’s winning by dominating the discussion. He asks questions but doesn’t answer them. He demands proof of allegations but gives none himself. He attacks and then complains when attacked. He’s a pu$$y but takes the place down with him.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pmThat’s an awful lot of work? Why waste your time when it already exists in Cuba?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
because that’s what the founders intended, and what patriots do. they work on improving their country, unlike conservatives, who work on destroying it. that’s why you and yours are at 24%, tops, and we are at 76%. Congress will gain their good ratings when they do what we want, not what you want. congress is at a very low rating purely and simply because Bush and Cheney have not been tried and hanged.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI was under the impression that New Yorkers, for the most part, were fairly intelligent. Well, lefty proved me wrong!
Which means you are not from NY
October 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmdumbass
Well, lefty proved me wrong!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
especially if you were born in manhattan. Bwahahahaha!
October 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmthat was Bush’s fault for refusing to stop them.
Comment by Lefty Patriot â€
Gee thanks! I didn’t know that? SANDY BERGER!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
So it’s Sandy Bergers fault that Bush ignored the warning about OBL? All of them? What a joke.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmanswer the question, gutless
October 19th, 2007 at 5:36 pmSo Michael what did you think of the ridiculous nature of the rights responses to films they hadn’t seen yet?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:36 pmDid our invasion of Iraq creat the muslim terrorists that killed 3,000 on 9/11?
You are all a bunch of blind IDIOTS!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
No, our invasion of Iraq caused one million dead Iraqis. Can you wrap your koolaid addled peabrain around that you phoney twit?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pm“crockadile”……??
Crockadile…?!?
Wow. Such …erudition. The mind boggles.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pmDid our invasion of Iraq creat the muslim terrorists that killed 3,000 on 9/11?
i don’t even know what this is supposed to mean. moron
October 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmUm, ’scuse me, Michael – your bigotry is showing.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pm“To be honest, what the modern day progressive liberal expounds is what the founders fought to get away from.”
Comment by jdc
Taxation without representation?
Forced housing of troops by private citizens?
These have never been considered “liberal” positions.
You’re just cranky because you’re back in the minority again. Don’t worry; you’ll get used to it.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI go there often as a matter of fact I was born in Manhattan.
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007
Do you drive there in your Sierra?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pmOr do you take Sunday drives in the Sierras?
I can’t remember the details of your stories sometimes……..
Brave words from a guy who’s sitting in his tighty whities in his Mom’s basement.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pmSorry but I and millions of others will fight to not allow these things to happen!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007
About two million and one?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“I say first round knockout.”
Comment by jdc —
With that stinky skank, he’d have to fight with a clothes-pin on his nose.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pm“Your lack of historical knowledge exposes your private school as a sham and a fraud, like your president.
Comment by Lefty Patriotâ€
Ah the typical liberal “America is wrong†response! I wonder why you continue to live here instead of your socialist paradise in Cuba?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Hey mikey, when you backpedal that fast you are in danger of driving up your own ass. Oh that’s how your head got wedge up there you dunce. You guys cherry pick history the same way you cherry pick the bible. Only using the part that works for your lameass argument.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmMichael, don’t you think the right should have allowed the Reagan Miniseries to air before judging it?
October 19th, 2007 at 5:44 pm“Loofty, you aren’t going to come after me, are you?”
Comment by michael
We let mental health professionals handle nutcases.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:44 pmHE’s got Lefty ready to strap on a bomb vest.
Comment by jdc — October 19, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Lefty doesn’t need a bomb vest to kick michael’s ass. Why don’t you keep up with the discussion neoturn and if you are unable maybe you should just STFU.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:45 pmTo be honest, what the modern day progressive liberal expounds is what the founders fought to get away from.
Comment by jdc — October 19, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
What a ridiculous comment.
“Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it.”
John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776
Give that to Bush to read
October 19th, 2007 at 5:46 pm“I live in the Sierra’s near a very big lake.”
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007
I guess that’s how you were able to create the fantasy of
“going there often and looking into a deep hole in the ground…”
More likely you live in your Sierra, and are parked at an Arbys where you can get on the wireless net.
You take the cake for being the biggest bullsh!tter on TP, michael.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:49 pmLike handing out birth control to 11 year olds?
Like aborting 1 million unborn babies a year?
Like allowing fags to marry?
Like letting students get abortions without their parents permission?
Sorry but I and millions of others will fight to not allow these things to happen!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
On the earlier thread about SChip you were complaining that people had babies that couldn’t afford them. Then you complain about birth control and abortions and even sex eductation. You idiots want to spend $30 billion on abstinence only programs that have proven to be a huge failure. Just because you and your wife were unable to have children you think everybody should be infertile like you were. What a jackass.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI say first round knockout.
Comment by jdc — October 19, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Just because you know Coulter could kick your ass stop projecting you chickenshit little toad.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:56 pm1 million? Wow! Who gave you that figure? algore?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
The Red Cross neotwit.
October 19th, 2007 at 5:57 pmTime for my 3:00 p.m. bubbly! Ta ta!
Comment by michael
That’s what he calls his daily diaper-change.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pmMore likely you live in your Sierra, and are parked at an Arbys where you can get on the wireless net.
You take the cake for being the biggest bullsh!tter on TP, michael.
Comment by Nevar — October 19, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
They don’t have Arbys in the little shitkicker town michael live in. Dairy Queen is the only fast food place, isn’t that right mikey?
October 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pmKicking *ss? This is what liberals resort to when there is nothing but air between those ears. Right loofty?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
When somebody won’t have an honest discussion, apparently because they are totally unable to do so, but spouts off hateful lies like you do, the only way to handle it is to shut them up.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pm“Dairy Queen is the only fast food place, isn’t that right mikey?”
Comment by Shayne
Don’t for get the Stuckey’s out on the interstate. That’s where Mike takes dates when he wants to impress them.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pmHe gets a pecan log roll and puts it in his pants.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:07 pmDon’t know where you got that figure from but how can you argue that abstinence doesn’t work?
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
It was in the reports yesterday about the new nominee dumb shit. And every report they’ve done on abstinence shows it DOES NOT WORK. The reason they were passing out birth control in the junior high school is because three girls under age 13 were pregnant. You just spew the talking points instead of researching anything. All you know is what Rush tells you.
And here’s a clue, I wouldn’t watch Fox News if they had a show I wanted to see. Most of us have boycotted Fox News for years and are not about to start contributing to them now. I won’t even watch the local Fox News here in Chicago when it comes on after House. And I try not to even watch that show I love because it is Fox. We have the courage of our convictions. Which is why we ARE NOT on right wing sites. What’s your excuse?
October 19th, 2007 at 6:07 pmTime for my 3:00 p.m. bubbly! Ta ta!
Comment by michael — October 19, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
We’re impressed you call your Mountain Dew bubbly you lying sack of neoturd.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmDon’t for get the Stuckey’s out on the interstate. That’s where Mike takes dates when he wants to impress them.
Comment by barfly — October 19, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Oh come on barfly, mikey has a date? Snap out of it.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pmTime for my 3:00 p.m. bubbly! Ta ta!
Comment by michael
I thought he meant his bubble bath….
October 19th, 2007 at 6:11 pm(He doesn’t need the store bought bubbles, he makes his own.)
He gets a pecan log roll and puts it in his pants.
Comment by Nevar — October 19, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
He can only afford the smallest on apparently.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:11 pmOh come on barfly, mikey has a date? Snap out of it.
Comment by Shayne
Like Bush, Mike has a mandate!
October 19th, 2007 at 6:30 pmNo, no, no!! It’s time for his THOUGHT bubbles – you know, the kind the RNC fills his empty head with…?
October 19th, 2007 at 6:41 pmTiny bubbles, I’m sure…
October 19th, 2007 at 6:58 pmComment by republicans hate facts — October 19, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
With posters like Michael, and Republicans in general, you have to parse the words. He’s asking you how you can argue that abstinence doesn’t work… not abstinence education. He’ll come back telling you that if you practice abstinence you won’t get STDs or pregnant. He says nothing about relying solely on abstinence education. It’s all about diversion for morons like this. He’s not interested in debating.
October 19th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI don’t understand this at all. You are complaining that Fox is running a flawed documentary, which would be fine if it wasn’t so hipocritical. You people get so up in arms if anyone refuses to run a flawed documentary like “An Inconveniant Truth” or “Sicko” but when a documentary you disagree with is run, you immediately call it flawed, biased, and bigoted. This is both hipocritical and almost assanine. The only flaw mentioned is that the documentary forces people to get additional information to comprehend it. I see no problem with this. Trying to get people to do research on a topic instead of just blindly following rhetoric. I would think you would want people to do more research, since you assume you are right about all matters terrorism related.
October 19th, 2007 at 11:24 pmI would think you would want people to do more research, since you assume you are right about all matters terrorism related.
Comment by Patriot — October 19, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Which network is showing Sicko or An Inconvenient Truth?
October 20th, 2007 at 12:57 am“God bless America” …. yeah, that’s not extreme religion, ey…
October 20th, 2007 at 7:24 amI dont think I’ve seen a website with more millionaire war veteran trolls than this one..
October 20th, 2007 at 7:30 amhttp://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/17/trailer.sexoffender/index.html
Story Highlights:
95 of 200 residents of Florida trailer park are convicted sex offenders
Sex offender named Michael says trailer park is “paradise”
Our micheal hates kids. The micheal from this article isnt allowed within 500 yards of kids. Coincidence?
October 20th, 2007 at 7:33 amComment by O. Bigfoot — October 20, 2007 @ 9:41 am
Bigfoot, the entire blame for 9/11 rests on Bush, period. He was CIC, he was in charge, his lackeys were responsible. Nothing you’ve posted disproves or even questions that; just a bunch of rightwing lies, poropaganda and evasion. sandy Berger? Please, that’s been gone over millions of times; nothing he did or took jeoparized national security as much as Bush throwing out all of the intelligence gathered about Bin laden and the terrorist plans. The Clinton team haned Bush Bin laden on a plate, but Bush, being a very good friend of the Bibn Laden family, ignored all the material, and gave Bin laden a free pass, which saved Bush’s already failing joke of a presidency. Bin laden also obligingly produced another re-election video just in time for you bedwetters to vote for your overwhelming failure again, when he should have been impeached, removed from office, tried and convicted of treason, and hanged right after 9/11. those are the facts, bigfoot, not your little fascist nazi fairy-tales. And you conveniently forget, in y8our little nazi fantasy, that Oliver north and GHW Bush conspired with Reagan to keep those hostages imprisoned until Reagan’s inauguration. You, and they, are unAmerican traitors with no lyalty to the Constitution or rule of law. Your screed is all lies and wingnut fantasy, without a shred of proof or truth.
October 20th, 2007 at 9:51 amOh, and bigfoot, Bush was President that day. the buck stops there. If Clinton didn’t round up bin Laden, why didn’t Bush? Just answer that one question honestly, and you’ll see how misled you’ve been, and how misguided and blind you are. Facts lean left, and facts trash your bullshit every time. Your entire post is lies and wishful thinking, you haven’t stated a single proveable fact. Typical, GOP=all lies, all the time.
October 20th, 2007 at 9:53 amDid anyone ever heard any major Islamic leader to condemn the islamic terrorists? I didn’t!
October 20th, 2007 at 10:38 amIf there are in their midst some who oppose the terrorists, why don’t they speak up? The impression is that some are active terrorists, and the rest of them just favor terrorism.
And, if not, they should be expressing condemnation of terrorist acts, not just be always quiet.
And, if not, they should be expressing condemnation of terrorist acts, not just be always quiet.
Comment by drtichy — October 20, 2007 @ 10:38 am
How would you hear them? do you think the rightwing-owned and operated media in this country would announce it? If you bothered to look, you’d find many instances of Muslim leaders worldwide condemning terrorism, many instances. But the US newsreaders aren’t going to let you know.
October 20th, 2007 at 11:03 amIt’s ALWAYS “the media fault,” isn’t it?
October 20th, 2007 at 1:05 pmIt’s ALWAYS “the media fault,†isn’t it?
Comment by drtichy — October 20, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Always, no. Often, yes.
http://facts-not-fear.blogspot.com/2007/05/muslim-condemnations-of-terrorism.html
October 20th, 2007 at 1:17 pmIt’s ALWAYS “the media fault,†isn’t it?
Comment by drtichy — October 20, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
well, I guess it could be just that you’re an ignorant Bushco suckup, but I was giving you the benifit of the doubt. My bad.
October 20th, 2007 at 1:44 pmerock, I did not say any network was running Sicko or Inconvenient Truth. I said when someone refuses to run them you people get up in arms. Please read what someone writes before you comment on it.
October 20th, 2007 at 8:01 pmLefty Patriot, yes President Bush was Commander in Chief on 9/11. Thank you for clarifying that “Little Known” fact. Now, just because something bad happens when you’re in charge, you should not automatically be blamed. If we killed everyone after something bad happened on their watch, pretty much everyone would be dead. What matters is what President Bush did afterwards. He attacked Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and overthrew Bin Laden. He then stopped a major terrorist supporting and totalitarian dictator in Iraq. Would President Clinton or President Carter have done the same? And let’s not forget you condemning O. Bigfoot for giving no proof. That’s pretty hypocritical. What about you saying Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North and President GHW Bush conspired with President Reagan about the hostages? Where’s your proof of that? Until you give some proof, you have no right to condemn anyone else for any lack of evidence.
What about you saying Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North and President GHW Bush conspired with President Reagan about the hostages? Where’s your proof of that? Until you give some proof, you have no right to condemn anyone else for any lack of evidence.
Really? Why was North on the hotseat? He’s a traitor, just because other traitors took care of him doesn’t make hima any less a traitor. Oh, and you’re a liar. Bush overthrew Bin Laden? You’re a bilnd ass. Bush made sure Bin Laden got away, scot-free. This is all documented. And as for him Iraq, he just increased terrorism and made a bad situation worse. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re a fool or you’re just playing a gamr. No sane American believes any of your shit.
October 20th, 2007 at 10:03 pmLefty Patriot, you still have given no proof, no hard evidence, and you continue to talk. You are calling a Lietenant Colonal a traito without warrant. I said President Bush overthrew Osama Bin Laden, and you said nothing to the contrary, so I must assume you agree. You just said the President allowed Osama Bin Laden to escape, but if someone is taken out of power, they are overthrown. Osama Bin Laden is still out of power in Afghanistan, so he is still overthrown. About Iraq, I did not say he stopped terrorism, I said he stooped a terrorist supporting dictator. As for the increased terrorism, I could say, sometimes it’s darkest before dawn, or I could say the increased terrorist activity is a sign that Al Qaeda is afraid. If we weren’t a threat to their power, they would attack at their leisure. However, this is not the case. Al Qaeda is doing whatever they can to frighten the U.S. meaning, they are frightened of us. If you would like, I would be glad to go into a more in depth discussion of Iraq, but for now, I’ll move on. You say that it is all documented, so give a link, or even a reference. You have not been able to answer me in any rational way. You have resorted to mere muckslinging, meaningless cursing, and mindless ranting. It must be concluded from how you wrote, the sheer venom in your post, that you are very tired, afraid I’m right, incredably irrational, or a combination of the three. If this is the case, get some rest. That cures the tiredness. As for the other two, however, those are chronic.
October 20th, 2007 at 11:53 pmIf this is the case, get some rest. That cures the tiredness. As for the other two, however, those are chronic.
Comment by Patriot — October 20, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
You seem to think that Osama bin Laden was “in power”… in Afghanistan maybe, could you provide a link to verify this. Are you sure it wasn’t
October 21st, 2007 at 12:25 amMullah Mohammed Omar who used to be in charge?
It’s interesting to see the venom for Christianity with a complete ignorance to what Islam does around the world. Bold oppression of other religions, women, homosexuals and everyone else that Progressive seem to otherwise defend. By all means hold extreme, partisan opinions if you wish but please be consistent. The war in Iraq was a tragic mistake. Bush should go down in history as the worst President of our great country. Agreed. But Islam has a violent nature far beyond any other organized religion.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:20 pm