The cold-skinned creatures residing in the White House are such incredible jack-offs. Lil’ George “The Decider’s” latest approval rating is 24%. That sounds familar. Oh, yeah — Nixon’s approval rating in August 1974, the month he slithered out of office, was….yep, you guessed it…24%. These jack-offs have “won” nothing. Their plane is careening ever closer towards the ground with smoke spewing from the engine, yet they’re happy ’cause they’re “winning.” Clueless, cold-blooded lizard people.

Merlin, I guess my tongue-in-cheek reference to Fagin was lost in cyberworld.

Push harder on your cheek?

Regarding Bigfoot you said:
He’s not really here to debate a point. He’s here to present the dogma of his conservative religion. No facts can penetrate the fog of this dogma.

And of course you are right. The difference between conservatives and Progressives is in their psychological makeup. George Lakoff nails it perfectly. It is essentially the difference in parental outlook and belief. It is the strict father ideology vs the nurturing father ideology. The SCHIP debate shows this plainly. Do you take care of people (kids) or thrust them on their own whether they can make it or not. Conservatives do the latter and justify their stand on costs or fear mongering. Bigfoot is doing that. Read his comment #12 where he says:

and as it stands, the proposed expansion of a children’s health program to those who aren’t “children” and to those who can afford their own health care,

This is fear mongering, though cloaked as legitimate argument. He postures as a “strict self righteous parent” who won’t stand for any posibility of helping anyone. They have to make it on their own with no help from him (or anyone else if he can help it, by golly!)

So, yes Col Jack, no facts will ever change his mind. His parent ideology is based in his fear and is not open to change. You simply can’t discuss facts with “parent opinion,” especially when it comes from a frightened little boy trying to show the world (on this board at least) how right he is, by showing everyone here how wrong they are.

And then, he proceeds to make a bunch of sweeping statements about how people have rejected government-managed medicine as if these were facts. I respond by citing two separate polls, including the actual question asked, which indicate the exact opposite of what he says, and he just ignores it. He just stares off into space evidently hoping nobody will notice that facts don’t support his sweeping statements. He’s not really here to debate a point. He’s here to present the dogma of his conservative religion. No facts can penetrate the fog of this dogma.

CBS Poll from 9/14-16/07:”Which do you think would be better for the country: having one health insurance program covering all Americans that would be administered by the government and paid for by taxpayers, or keeping the current system where many people get their insurance from private employers and some have no insurance?”

One Program For All:55%
Current System:29%
Combination (vol.): 3%
Neither (vol.): 4%
Unsure: 9%

As for the “overwhelming support”: Polls are primarily about how the question is worded, not the question itself. It’s easy for people to fall into a false sense of security if the polls seemingly support their argument, without thinking the whole thing through.

So, what you are indicating is that the poll takers purposely slanted this poll? Or did they do it out of ignorance?

What you fail to grasp is that the CONCEPT of helping children is the issue here. How you pay for it is secondary, and not part of this poll. This question accurately measures the will and empathy of the people polled. But then, you being a conservative are short in the empathy area and shouldn’t be expected to grasp that. Pity.

Artful – I guess that will work for some — I think the scheming, devious liar, Fagin, in Oliver Twist was called the “artful dodger.”

Perhaps for the 24%ers. The Times was using artful in a positive way, building up the president. For Fagin it was a grudging negative compliment with nothing truly positive about.

Where did you get this idea? Here’s the latest poll on the issue with the question posed:

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Oct. 12-14, 2007. N=1,212 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

“As you may know, President Bush vetoed a bill passed by Congress that would create a program to spend 35 billion dollars to provide health insurance to some children in middle-income families. Do you think Congress should vote to create that program by overriding Bush’s veto, or do you think Congress should vote to block that program by sustaining Bush’s veto?”

Override Veto: 61%, Sustain Veto: 35%, Unsure 4%

This poll looks to me like the people would like congress to override Bush by almost two to one. What makes you think “the people” have rejected SCHIP?

“Chimp Fluffing”

Great description! Not too long ago a President got in big trouble for being involved with that.

What kind of creative literary license are the authors of this article taking?

“…creative literary license?” You give them far more credit than they deserve. Reading a teleprompt or writing someone elses thinking does not involve any creativity at all. Simply having no soul is the only requirement. (They sold it to their corporate employer long ago.)

Whatever happened to real journalists in this country? Have aliens from outer space replaced them with idiots?

No. Paid actors reading the corporate script.

What surprises me still is the MSM doesn’t even want to connect the dots with all these people.

Why should this surprise you? The MSM is comprised of huge corporations. The pundits that work for them do not really have a free reign to say what they choose. They follow the corporate line or they are no longer with the corporation.

There is no “connecting the dots” possible here. We are being sold the coprporate message in the form of talking head entertainment.

The worst error I see in the NYT excerpt is in the following line:

” –a feat Democrats would never have imagined when they pushed Republicans out of power a year ago.”

I’d laugh if I could stop crying.

Red Pill, as a friendly amendment, may I suggest also interjecting Rush Limbaughs mocking of Michael J Fox, tearing apart a slightly built 12 year old kid, and suggesting that the kid held hostage in the St Louis area liked being tortured.

These are soundbites from just one person identified strongly with conservativism. Please expand to Fox News and there is more material than one could possibly use.

—Adolf Hitler

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