White House ‘Eviscerates’ CDC Director’s Senate Testimony On Global Warming
White House ‘Eviscerates’ CDC Director’s Senate Testimony On Global Warming
Today, Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testified before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on the “Human Impacts of Global Warming.” Gerberding told the committee that global warming “is anticipated to have a broad range of impacts on the health of Americans,” but gave few specifics, instead focusing on CDC’s current preparation plans. From her statement:
An effective public health response to climate change can prevent injuries, illnesses, and death and enhance overall public health preparedness. Protecting Americans from adverse health effects of climate change directly correlates to CDC’s four overarching Health Protection Goals of Healthy People in Every Stage of Life, Healthy People in Healthy Places, People Prepared for Emerging Health Threats, and Healthy People in a Healthy World.
While we still need more focus and emphasis on public health preparedness for climate change, many of our existing programs and scientific expertise provide a solid foundation to move forward.
CDC officials are now revealing that the White House heavily edited Gerberding’s testimony, which originally was longer and had more “information on health risks“:
“It was eviscerated,” said a CDC official, familiar with both versions, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the review process.
The official said that while it is customary for testimony to be changed in a White House review, these changes were particularly “heavy-handed,” with the document cut from its original 14 pages to four. It was six pages as presented to the Senate committee.
The White House’s deletions included “details on how many people might be adversely affected because of increased warming and the scientific basis for some of the CDC’s analysis on what kinds of diseases might be spread in a warmer climate and rising sea levels.”
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) today put out a statement, stating, “The Administration should immediately release Dr. Gerberding’s full, uncut statement, because the public has a right to know all the facts about the serious threats posed by global warming.”
The Bush administration has not only repeatedly attempted to suppress global warming facts, but has also muzzled its officials from speaking out. A January report found 435 instances in which the Bush administration interfered into the global warming work of government scientists over the past five years. The administration also attempted to censor the government’s top global warming scientist, James Hansen, who has been outspoken about the dangers of climate change.
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They’re not happy with the death rate of Americans in Iraq, they would like to kill more of us here at home as well. Worse than nazis.
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:22 pmGovernment by Denial.
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:23 pmugh… thanks Republicans for scrubbing that dirty science clean away!
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmThis is a good example of why reform is needed. The Center for Inquiry (publishers of the Skeptical Inquirer) has published a paper calling for reform of the Data Quality Act, to re-establish the Office of Technology Assessment, and to ensure that government employees have greater freedom to communicate their findings and opinions.
It is highly unfortunate that such legislation would be necessary, but clearly it is.
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 pmIgnoring or denying global warming does not make it go away. It really doesn’t.
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:34 pmThe Bush government and its Christian supporters are anti-science and anti-reason. That already explains the current mess we are in.
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:34 pmHave seen hours of CNN wildfire coverage. They do not mention global warming as a cause. “60 Minutes” Sunday said:
1) the last seven years have produced seven of the ten worst fire seasons in history.
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:45 pm2)Tree rings show that the last 15 years have been the hottest in 1,000 years.
3)An increase of one degree will cause four times as many fires.
4)We can lose one half of all forests in the western US over the next 30-100 years due to global warming.
Don’t ask the White House for Gerberding’s statement. Get it directly from Gerberding herself.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 pmPure Stalin. Ministry of Truth.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:02 pmBush’s Third Reich Propaganda Machine On the Loose again!
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:16 pmHeinous, Reprehensible, Pitiful and Disgusting! The public has a right to know the scientific facts.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:16 pmwhhyyy… instead of deletions, they could’ve added “terror”, “terrists”
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 pmthroughout the document and turned it to their advantage!
…
Time to change the Republican mascot from an elephant to an ostrich with its head in the sand (aptly while the tide is rolling in).
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 pmDoes the bullsh!t from these numbskulls never end? I believe they are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian – on every issue, every time. And that’s just about as worthless in governance as are nipples on a bull.
But the dems are feckless and can’t, or won’t, get their collective act together. The only way to fight right wing obstinacy is with equal and opposite obstinacy – the dems don’t seem to understand why they keep on being bipartisan, yet they keep getting screwed. Maybe they just like getting screwed. The perfect, dysfunctional, S&M relationship.
The bottom line is that with faux authoritian dumbasses like the Republicans and Bushco, you have to b!tchslap them. The shock value alone will tilt the status quo to the dems advantage.
It’ll never happen.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:31 pmMichael,
after the idiotic comments you posted here yesterday, you got a hell of a nerve calling 95% of the world’s climate scientists idiots!!!
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:32 pmHe doesn’t have to elaborate, you freekin’ little git. That’s what Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was supposed to do before your luddite cronies put the kibosh on her.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:34 pmNoone said it only happening in the US.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 pmMichael,
You left out the first half of the sentence: “after the idiotic comments you posted here yesterday,…”
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:38 pmMichael, Your side said: The Earth is flat, the universe revolves around the Earth, the universe is 6,000 years old, the universe was made in six days, cavemen hunted dinosaurs to extinction, colds are caused by demonic possession, etc., etc.
We’re supposed to believe you?
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 pmwhen will these public officials start publishing their findings, as is, and tell the bush administration to screw themselves? they seem to be so scared of losing their jobs that they have trouble providing critical information that would force the government to act and save lives.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:22 pmWhy is the White House allowed to vet this testimony before the person appears in front of Congress? I don’t get it.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 pmThat’s right! algore predicts a rise of over 20 feet of our oceans. Why are we rebuilding New Orleans?
Comment by michael — October 23, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
Please, provide us with a link michael.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:36 pmOh Bush was a bad boy again today. Blah, blah, blah. I am sure Boxer will give a very impressive press conference and detail just what a bad boy Bush is. That will do it.
Make sure you don’t impeach any of these idiots. Goodness, otherwise what will we all complain about tomorrow, and the day after that, and then the next day.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 pmAn increase of 1 degree over a 100 year period is going to cause all these terrible things to this earth? You liberals are such idiots!
Comment by michael — October 23, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
I’m sure that if somebody explained to you how foolish your statement is, you wouldn’t even listen just like you probably didn’t listen to your Science class teacher and that’s why failed the course. Live in your ignorance forever michael; that’s where you belong!
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 pmmichael is terminally stupid, i don’t know why anyone bothers.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 pmmichael is terminally stupid, i don’t know why anyone bothers.
Comment by Zooey — October 23, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Although I basically agree with you, I also feel that stupidity is a disease which must not be allowed to spread. Michael is a carrier (just like a mosquito) and must be fumigated every once in a while to reduce its population.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:54 pmAnd you, michael, are a perfect example of a human equally as stupid as a bag of hair.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:08 amHasn’t the question mark key on Michael’s keyboard worn out YET?
October 24th, 2007 at 12:13 amOhhh, I’m stung, michael. How will I survive? I guess I’ll console myself with the knowledge that I’m able to provide links to back up my shit — unlike you.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:14 amAn increase of 1 degree over a 100 year period is going to cause all these terrible things to this earth? You liberals are such idiots!
Comment by michael — October 23, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Just by making a simple commment like that is a clear indication that it is you who is the idiot. People like you can not be reasoned with, closed minded, ignorant and naive. It’s a shame really. There is so much beautiful and interesting knowledge out there to be gained and there you sit boldly making comments about issues that clearly exceed your education level. Pitty.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:25 amDo you have to defer to a link instead of your brain?
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 12:23 am
You made an allegation, and were asked to back it up. No one here will ever defer to YOUR brain.
Put up or shut up.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:31 am“There is so much beautiful and interesting knowledge out there to be gained
Comment by KAMâ€
Really? How about elaborating on this BEAUTIFUL knowledge? What a fool!
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 12:28 am
Pearls before swine. Don’t waste your time, KAM.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:34 amNot as long as you stupid liberals keep feeding me ammunition!
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 12:34 am
**hands michael a hollow point shell**
Eat it.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:36 amReally? How about elaborating on this BEAUTIFUL knowledge? What a fool!
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 12:28 am
Let me guess, in your small little pathetic world “beautiful” only applies to pleasing aesthetics? You should really try to expand your vocabulary there Michael. “beautiful applies to whatever excites the keenest of pleasure to the senses and stirs emotion through the senses.” Maybe you should look into picking up a dictionary.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:38 amA link to what? An Inconvenient Truth?
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 12:08 am
No, a link to a source that can back your stupid assertion about Al Gore.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:39 amMaybe you should look into picking up a dictionary.
Comment by KAM — October 24, 2007 @ 12:38 am
He’s using it as a doorstop on the broken screen door.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:40 amNo, a link to a source that can back your stupid assertion about Al Gore.
Comment by foreyes — October 24, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Good luck with that! That moron wants you to use your BRAIN, but can’t figure out how to use his own.
Goodnight, all.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:42 amDo you have to defer to a link instead of your brain?
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 12:23 am
We knew that your stupid comments were sourced from your brain. Now we have a confirmation!
October 24th, 2007 at 12:42 amNo, I’m not making the claim that global warming exists. You dopes are. I’m asking you to back it up without referring me to left wing sites. I want to see how passionate you are, how intelligent you are about things you want to force down all our throats. I won’t hold my breath!
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 12:47 am
You’re too lazy to educate yourself and rely instead on sources inside your “brain”. Do your own work, a*hole!
October 24th, 2007 at 12:53 amOh Michael you are a nastly little troll aren’t you? It’s too bad that a real debate about the issues is clearly impossible with you, you know with your lack of ability to have a rationale and well researched thought. You waste my time and that of others on this site who would like to have a true discussion about issues that affect our world. Until you have an actual, thoughtful comment to add to the conversation (rather then your high school name calling and banter) you should really consider a different past time.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:55 amMichael, go to National Geographic’s website and read up on global warming there. Or are they one of those left-wing websites, too?
October 24th, 2007 at 1:00 amI think “mickey” decided that it was just too much for him. That, or the relief troll is on his way from the bullpen.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:13 amDo you folks endorse the Congressional Democrats call for a $.50 a gallon gas tax and the phasing out of the home mortgage tax deduction for homes over 3000 sq ft. to fight “human caused” global warming?
October 24th, 2007 at 1:15 amDo you folks endorse the Congressional Democrats call for a $.50 a gallon gas tax and the phasing out of the home mortgage tax deduction for homes over 3000 sq ft. to fight “human caused†global warming?
Comment by muckdog — October 24, 2007 @ 1:15 am
See, what did I tell you. “Mickey” is gone and here comes muckdog.
I’ll take a crack. Contrary to what the modern Republicans do, rational people believe that if there’s a sound need for an expenditure it must be paid for and not left for future generations to pay like, for instance, the bill for the illegal Iraq war.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:27 amI don’t know who is proposing the measure that you’re referring to but it’s a reasonable way to finance the fight against “human caused” global warming provided we are told how the money is going to be spent.
Any intellectually honest person who sincerely wants to find out about global climate change, can easily go to the IPCC website, or to NASA’s website, or the US EPA’s website. All these have accurate, up-to-date information on global climate change and its effects on life on Earth.
All the information is available there. If anybody feels like challenging it, they better get started with their homework. They are wasting their time on this blog, babbling on, and on, and on about Gore, “librul” science, and other asinine non-points…
October 24th, 2007 at 1:42 amI am almost certain that Al Gore in the film said IF half of the ice on Greenland and half of the ice on Antarctica melted, then that would raise sea levels by 21 feet.
But he did not say it could be said with certainty that would happen or when it would happen. There are so many variables, it is not that exact a science. He was just giving an example. But what he said was certainly true and should be taken as a warning of a possibility.
Is that good enough for you, Michael? Go to IPCC’s website and read them. They are the thousands of experts on climate change. They can certainly explain it better than me.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:04 amMuckdog,
In 1992, I was living in North Carolina and buying gas for 95 cents per gallon. Candidate Clinton proposed a 5 cent per gallon tax. Every Republican in the country squealed “If Clinton gets elected gas will be two dollars a gallon!”. Eight years later, gas was still 95 cents per gallon.
What were the 6.75 years under Bush like? Exxon alone now makes $40 billion profit every year. Now that a barrel has gone from $20 under Clinton to $89 under Bush, the reserves of the top five western oil corps are worth $2.2 Trillion. Iraq’s oil reserves now worth about $20 Trillion. Pure coincidence that everyone in the Bush administration are from the OIL industry?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:14 am“The official said that while it is customary for testimony to be changed in a White House review…”
So what was said in testimony becomes….something completely different than was said in testimony (or at least cut down to a shadow of its former self).
I’ve gotta ask, do these a-holes in the Bush White House EVER speak — or write — the truth? EVER?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:26 amEVER?
Comment by TC-12 — October 24, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Uhhh… NO!!!!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:27 amFor their own education, our global warming deniers could visit the website of the NOAA, or the National Geographic Society, or the American Institute of Physics.
All these also with accurate, scientifically sound information on global climate change.
There is the information, global warming deniers. All easily available and at your fingertips. There is no excuse for you not to know. Don’t come here to babble, because as you repeat (ad nauseam) that the Earth is flat, the rest of humanity is moving past you.
(Life must be tough for a mindless global warming denier, with reality having a liberal bias and all….)
October 24th, 2007 at 2:38 amBill McKibben, author of “Deep Economy”, was on Democracy Now Tuesday. He said increase of one degree means four times number of fires. Global warming also brings new insects into forests to destroy them. Add in the carbon from the fires going into the atmosphere and the lack of trees to clean the air of the CO2. He predicts a five degree increase by end of century.
for another story on warming causing extinctions: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1501AP_Mass_Extinctions.html
“In April, the same climate panel of thousands of scientists (IPCC) warned that “20 to 30 percent of animal species assessed so far are likely to be at increased risk of extinction” if temperatures increase by about 3 to 4 degrees Fahrenheit.”
October 24th, 2007 at 2:56 amBush and his bootlicking supporters can’t handle the truth, because they are cowards.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:15 amWhat happens to the comments sections here at Think Progress is a model in miniature of how the Republicans derail rational discourse in Congress, in the media, etc. When will the moderators get smart and stop posting the taunts and irrational crap submitted by the various manifestations of Jake D and his ilk? Or failing that, when will people get smart and simply stop responding to the crap the Know-Nothings post?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:53 am> An increase of 1 degree over a 100 year period is going to
> cause all these terrible things to this earth? You liberals
> are such idiots!
> Comment by michael — October 23, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
The old, “if ain’t going to effect me who cares”. And, “all liberals are idiots”.
The fact of the matter is that the whatever inches the IPCC are predicting by centuries end is probably way under what the next IPCC report will say because the previous report didn’t include Greenland and the arctic which is melting way faster than any model had predicted.
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/chapter1/2007/oct/12/global_warming_scientific_consensus_proved_wrong
Oops, I guess wrong can mean faster and worse as well as slower and better. Is there a real long term upside to this? I don’t think so.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:31 amI always thought Dr. Julie Gerberding was a super fine sexy woman.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:46 amWe paid for the report. We would like to see it all.
Is there anything criminal here? How do I get to see the whole report?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:04 am#14 – “You liberals are such idiots!” Comment by michael — October 23, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Wow! What an amazing retort! Did you work on that one a long time before you spouted it off, or did it just come from your experience on a debating team?
Oh, wait. You were most probably in Special Ed based on your purile and childish responses. My pardon. We should be sensitive to your mental handicaps, and not deride you for your lack of logic and other personal failings.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:26 amGlobal warming may be real. Human desire for prosperity is also real. One shouldn’t have to sacrifice one’s desire for prosperity and intelligence because the globe is warming. One should use one’s intelligence to mitigate any negative effects as they come up.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:44 amThe costs to intelligence of rolling back the factors inducing global warming will be much higher than the costs of mitigating it. In all probability, we will just discover a couple of panaceas and be done with these perceived negative effects.
If, on the other hand, you are so passionate about doing something about global warming, maybe you ought to integrate that into all your decisions in life. Do you really do that? Have you really chosen to live close to work, even though it costs more just because you want to not pollute the environment with your commute? If you haven’t, then that is just a blatant example of how you have somehow convinced yourself of “global warming”, but are perfectly fine not doing anything about it!
October 24th, 2007 at 8:48 amSo, how then are you “better” than that Micheal dude here? Just because he doesn’t believe in global warming and you do makes you better? Well, in the end he doesn’t do anything about it, and neither do most of you. So what’s the difference? Knowledge without action is just hallucination. And action without knowledge is stupidity.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:51 amI’ve pointed out before that Michael’s screen name links back to Ann Coulter’s website. So he/she is either Ann OR that’s where he/she gets his screed from.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:53 amI finally watched an Inconvenient Truth, which provides the hysterionics required by libs to push ill developed policies.
I also saw a good Nova episode that showed smart policies / approaches for clean energy. Specifically, Germany created a marketplace for clean energy through subsidies and long-term contracts that drew capital towards those who would set up solar panel farms – that is how to do it! Germans pay much more for their electricity, but it also created high paying jobs in the solar panel manufacturing industry.
Currently, GM is creating the Chevy Volt for 2010, which is a plug-in electric vehicle with an on-board gasoline genarator to extend the vehicle’s range. This type of hybrid will be the eventual solution for most consumers, with a 150 mpg rating. Tesla Motors is introducing a 250 mile range plug-in roadster, whose technology they intend to license to the auto industry, to provide the performance / range requirements for a significant segment of the market.
There are smart ways to approach our energy / transportation needs, but libs can’t get out of the “just use one sheet of toilet paper” mindset to get us there.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:58 am#79 – “So, how then are you “better†than that Micheal dude here? Just because he doesn’t believe in global warming and you do makes you better?”
Nope, I never said that. Michael tends to tar and feather anyone who doesn’t agree with him. I’m just treating him the same way he treats others. Isn’t THAT fair?
“Well, in the end he doesn’t do anything about it, and neither do most of you.” Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 8:51 am
Oh, let me guess: you know everything. Why don’t you enlighten us with your knowledge?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:58 amComments by hits — AM October 24, 2007 @
Is there a point to your mumblings this morning, or do you need another hit to clear the smoke?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:58 amWhen, oh when are we going to get a public servant in the Bush administration who will stand up at the time of the lying and the censorship, call a press conference to resign, and explain why? Why are these otherwise serious scientists and career professionals (Colin Powell comes to mind) cowering in their offices under the thumb of the ignorant know-nothing Bushies until after they leave the administration and write their book, when it means relatively little? If Gerberding had an ounce of professional self-respect, she would have ALREADY resigned.
These people are nothing more than quivering Bush-enablers, afraid to stand up to the mean ol’ bully on the playground. What I wouldn’t give for someone with cojones!
October 24th, 2007 at 9:05 amThe costs to intelligence of rolling back the factors inducing global warming will be much higher than the costs of mitigating it. In all probability, we will just discover a couple of panaceas and be done with these perceived negative effects.
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 8:48 am
And you base this conclusion on what? Your uninformed say so? There is a lot of expert opinion out there to the contrary. Basic common sense also argues against your Pollyanna view.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:36 amVerbalKint, I explictly challenge you to show me one specific piece of well received work that contradicts my statement. Mind you, no generics, or “read the National Geographic” allowed. Also, be careful to negate the statement you have challenged. Remember, I have not doubted the existence of global warming, or that we are causing it.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:41 amDemocrat Soldier,
My comments were not specifically directed towards you. They just happened to materialize after your posts. Further, I do not claim to know “everything”. Hell, I don’t even understand the concept of “everything”. Here’s what I do know – that I do NOT know all there is to know.
Thanks
October 24th, 2007 at 9:43 amHits
Nevar,
It is my complete failure and that of this medium if I am unable to convince you of my rationale.
Thanks
October 24th, 2007 at 9:45 amHits
So many are in denial about the radical changes happening. Why is it a yes or no issue instead of something is happening and we all need to be reseaching as to why?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:14 amIt is my complete failure and that of this medium if I am unable to convince you of my rationale.
Thanks
Hits
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 9:45 am
This thread is not about you Mr. hits. It is about a government official being censored by the Bush Regime for daring to address the problem of global warming in its full scope. You’re trying to make people here concentrate on your particular views not on the topic. Now, do you have and opinion on the on the way Dr. Julie Gerberding has been treated by the WH?
October 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmif you want to learn something about the subject of “global warming,†you may want to read some of the 224 + articles linked here.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 9:48 am
Imagine that, TCDon wants us to learn about global warming from the articles selected by some sh*thead radio talk show host who runs “The
Schnitt Show”. Seriously folks, “The Schnitt Show” is TC’s source for scientific facts.
How does it go? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
October 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmVerbalKint, I explictly challenge you to show me one specific piece of well received work that contradicts my statement.
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 9:41 am
I think you are putting logic on its head. Anyone can spout nonsense, as you have proven.
You are the one who made the statement, the burden is on you to bring evidence to support it. Preferably, it should meet your own standard of “well received work” -by which I think you meant “well researched”.
Otherwise it’s just an opinion lacking any basis on facts, or reality.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:59 pmThat cannot be true LL, when TP deletes most rational posts from the Right, and only leaves those that it thinks can be easily attacked (some of which are probably posted by Leftest pretending to be conservatives). Let’s see how long before this post gets deleted. BTW, if you want to learn something about the subject of “global warming,†you may want to read some of the 224 + articles linked here. http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 9:48 am
Articles?
Were those “articles” written by climatologists and published in peer-reviwed journals?
TCDon,
October 24th, 2007 at 1:18 pmYou are not credible.
Gregor Samsa,
Thank you for your posts!
October 24th, 2007 at 1:19 pmArticles?
Were those “articles†written by climatologists and published in peer-reviwed journals?
TCDon,
You are not credible.
Comment by LividLib — October 24, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Correction – peer-reviewed.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:20 pmLittle Miss Perino has rejected the argument that the WH redacted 10 pages of the report. She said the WH only “suggested” changes and the CDC did it themselves.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:36 pmAnyone believe that?
It must have been a lunchtime joke.
And action without knowledge is stupidity.
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 8:51 am
And inaction with knowledge is the height of stupidity.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:52 pmForeyes,
The thread is indeed not about me. My opinion about the way the WH treated the lady is that she has a choice – to quit if she disagrees. By not doing so, she espouses the WH opinion, and in doing so, negates your perceived sympathy for her!
Hits
October 24th, 2007 at 3:02 pmGregor Samsa,
Your first statement goes thusly – “anyone can spout nonsense”. So, you have already dismissed the possibility that my statement can be true, without even considering an evaluation. So, now, you have the temerity to lecture people about being open to scientific rationale and logic? The irony is remarkable!
And, I meant “well received”, not “well researched”. Well researched may as well be garbage, if not well received and understood and appreciated.
Hits
October 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pmSo, you have already dismissed the possibility that my statement can be true, without even considering an evaluation.
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
I have the “temerity” because you didn’t present anything to back up what you said. Nothing.
So, now, you have the temerity to lecture people about being open to scientific rationale and logic? The irony is remarkable!
One thing is open-mindedness and another is playing your little game of “I challenge you to prove me wrong”. If you have anything in the way of evidence to back up what you said, present it. Otherwise, I will repeat myself: Anyone can spout nonsense, as you have proven. Once again.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmComment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Well, at least that sounds ressonable. There’s still some hope for you.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:14 pmCorrection: should have said “reasonable”
October 24th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWell researched may as well be garbage, if not well received and understood and appreciated.
Hits
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Hits, do you understand that by stating the above you a making yourself sound, scientifically speaking, like an ignorant fool. How can anything that is well researched be garbage? But, of course, when you say “well received” you are implying that people like you will only appreciate to hear what YOU want to hear even if it is GARBAGE.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAnd the argument “when the ill effects of global warming begin to happen, we will deal with it” is false because—–it IS happening and this administration is doing nothing except going after other countries’ OIL.
New Orleans was lost. California is burning NOW. Atlanta may have no more water in 80 days.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:21 pmThis is my first time posting so, if you will, be gentle. First of all let me
October 25th, 2007 at 12:23 pmproudly proclaim that I am a liberal. Some of us should go to Wikipedia
and read what a liberial actually IS. Then read what a conservative is.
Of course, there will be “bleeding heart” liberials and “right wing” con-
servatives and several shades in-between. After we have all done our
research, perhaps a re-reading of the constitution would be in order,
since that is the document upon which our country’s ideals are based.
As a liberal, I trust that document to guide our great country, especially
in times of peril. Like now, for example. Consider for a moment the
possibility of a new HUAC. Who would be most likely to be brought be-
for that committee for “un-american” acts? Who would be the most
likely charged with treason? Just asking….