Beck Blames California Wildfires On The ‘Damn Environmentalists’
Beck Blames California Wildfires On The ‘Damn Environmentalists’
Last night, CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck blamed California’s massive wildfires on the “damn environmentalists” and their “bad environmental policies.” He also claimed that global warming has nothing to do with the situation, stating, “[I]f I hear global warming one more time, blood is going to shoot out of my eyes.”
To prove his points, he brought on R.J. Smith of the Exxon-funded Competitive Enterprise Institute and Chris Horner, author of the Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism. Horner — who is also a senior fellow at CEI — predictably argued that “[g]lobal warming is not a likely suspect” for the fires and Smith said that “the greens have made things worse by stopping all [fuels] management.” Watch it:
These claims have been echoed by the right-wing blogs. Michelle Malkin blamed “litigious environmentalists” for “standing in the way” of Bush’s Healthy Forests Initiative (HFI).
In 2002, Bush proposed HFI, which advocated “thinning” forests to decrease the risk of wildfires. But more than anything else, it was an attempt to curry favor with the timber and logging industries, which donated more than $1 million to Bush’s 2000 campaign. HFI allowed loggers to cut down large, valuable trees miles from at-risk communities, allegedly in order to finance the removal of the smaller brush that fuels wildfires.
Environmentalists don’t oppose removing brush and chapparal in at-risk areas, but logging in backforests has nothing to do with wildfire prevention. Removing brush is not a solution in itself. A 2006 study by Prof. A.L. Westerling, et al. concludes that addressing global warming needs to go hand-in-hand:
[L]arge increases in wildfire driven by increased temperatures and earlier spring snowmelts in forests where land-use history had little impact on fire risks indicates that ecological restoration and fuels management alone will not be sufficient to reverse current wildfire trends.
Earlier this year, the Nobel Prize-winning IPCC wrote that “a warming climate encourages wildfires through a longer summer period that dries fuels, promoting easier ignition and faster spread.” Los Angeles went 150 days without measurable rainfall this past year, and such drought will likely get worse. A group of leading British climate scientists found that extreme drought will affect about a third of the planet and spread across half of the earth’s land surface by 2100 because of global warming.
The Center for American Progress’s Daniel J. Weiss has more about global warming’s effects on wildfires.
UPDATE: Michael Roston at Huffington Post points out that in June, government auditors warned the Bush administration about shortcomings in its firefighting plan.
UPDATE II: Joe Romm at Climate Progress and Adam Siegel at EnergySmart have more.
BECK: But first, for the second consecutive day, wildfires are sweeping through California, especially beach front cities like Malibu and San Diego. And I want to get one thing straight right from the start. Loss of life, property, tragic. The people who are fighting these fires, heroes.
But I got to tell you, the story just pisses me off. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. Wildfire may be a natural disaster, but you’ve got to stop kidding yourself, America and pretending that man isn’t partly to blame for making things worse.
I remember spending my summers at my grandfather’s house at his farm. I can still see him screaming at that old Zenith TV that we had in the living room, yelling about how the mismanagement of our forests is going to get people killed one day.
You ask any farmer, anybody who’s lived closely with the land, and they’ll tell you, you can’t change Mother Nature. We’re the ones screwing things up. Why does this global warming phenomenon only seem to happen in our part of the globe? Why have we — why have we tried for decades to stop the natural cycle of burn and regrowth? And most importantly, why do we think that we can continue to believe that man knows best, when every bit of evidence tells us it ain’t true?
Mother Nature is tough enough. We don’t need to make matters worse with our bad environmental policies.
Chris Horner is the author of “Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism.” And R.J. Smith is an adjunct environmental analyst with the competitive Enterprise Institute.
Let me — let me start with you, R.J. How much money do you get from big oil?
R.J. SMITH, ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE: I don`t think big oil has anything to do with — with the forest fires.
BECK: OK.
SMITH: And — and I’m not sure. I mean — environmentalists get big oil money themselves, too.
BECK: Look, here’s the thing. We’re going to talk about things that are politically incorrect. Nobody else on television is going to say this. And I know all the bloggers are right now going, “Oh, big oil, big oil, big oil. They’re going to deny global warming.”
I’m not denying global warming. But, Chris, let me ask you this. I keep hearing that this is global warming that’s doing this. And I keep thinking to myself, how many years have we let the underbrush grow, and nobody will do anything? If the super fires are caused by global warming, wouldn’t these super fires be happening all around the globe? Are they, or are they not?
CHRIS HORNER, AUTHOR, “POLITICALLY INCORRECT GUIDE TO GLOBAL WARMING”: Well, fire happens everywhere. And it is a natural disaster if man’s there. Otherwise it’s a disaster purely for nature, but again, it is natural.
Global warming is not a likely suspect for the following reason. The warming that the alarmists are talking about is one degree Fahrenheit over the past 150 years, most of which occurred before World War II. None of which are occurred in the last decade.
OK. We can reliably take global warming off the suspect list.
Second, it’s not clear that a warmer world would be a drier world. As you know, Glenn, they rely on computer models to scare us. The computer models disagree with each other.
The two that the United States used for an Al Gore-produced report as they left office said the Red River Valley was going to be a flood plain or a desert. So, you know, prepare for it.
BECK: OK. So, R.J., let me — help me out. Because if I hear the — if I hear global warming one more time, blood is going to shoot out of my eyes.
SMITH: It has little, if anything, to do with global warming, Glenn. What happens — I mean, you’re right from what you’ve learned in Washington state. [...]
BECK: R.J., true or false, that they actually — the environmentalists, the same ones that going to tell me it’s my fault because I have an SUV, these same damn environmentalists are the ones that have stopped people in California from clearing brush on their own property.
SMITH: Precisely. First, the feds made things bad with 100 years of mismanagement and then, starting around 1975, 1980, into there, the greens made things worse by stopping all management. No management.
And they said fire was natural and it was natural regulation and let it burn, particularly in the national parks. And you saw what happened in Yellowstone, the great experiment. It burned down half the park. That’s their big success story, and they love that. I mean, their chief biologist out there was chanting “Burn, baby, burn,” as the fire roared through his study plots.
One of the Audubon Society board members who teaches children for the Audubon Society said the biggest disaster of the Yellowstone fires was that they did not destroy the town of West Yellowstone, which is the entrance to the park, because it was all ticky-tacky and neon cluttered and it should have been reduced to ashes.
That’s the philosophy of the greens.
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I think that we can blame the wildfires on Dumbledore’s gayness….
October 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pmno way. it was al qaeda.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pmWhy, oh why, are we giving this guy any credibility. If a kid farts in the corner, most people roll their eyes and leave the area because the kid can’t help himself. When Beck speaks, just roll your eyes, go away, and ignore the moron. After all, his “news” show is the lowest rated one on cable.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:34 pmOMG. These morons are nothing if not predictable.
Good grief.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:34 pmDumbledore’s in Al Qaeda??
No wonder he has that beard!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“[I]f I hear global warming one more time, blood is going to shoot out of my eyes.â€
GLOBAL WARMING
Now let’s see some blood!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYeah! Global Warming has NOTHING to do with the driest and hottest year ever recorded in California!
And massive tax cuts have NOTHING to do with the deficits! The deficits are caused by people saving too much of their money!
Um… ah… I was JOKING! Can’t you people tell when I’m joking? Sheesh! Stoopid libruls!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:39 pmThe rich fatcats that built their mcMansions in the hills were trying to separate themselves from the rest of us, as if they were special in some way. You reap what you sow. Now our insurance rates will go up to bail out these foolish anti-environmentalists.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:42 pmBeck:
Are you CIA or DOD?
October 24th, 2007 at 4:43 pm“Yeah! Global Warming has NOTHING to do with the driest and hottest year ever recorded in California!
Comment by ralph the wonder llamaâ€
Explain how?
Comment by michael
Um, I think he was making a joke.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pmAnd michale’s failure to learn how to tie his shoes has NOTHING to do with him constantly tripping and falling on his face!
The two phenomena are COMPLETELY unrelated!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pmGlobal Warming causes Arson?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
global warming obviously causes further brain damage in rightards like you. ignoring science is one of your trademarks over there in backwardsland, isn’t it?
October 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pmAnd the Fascist ReichWinger Brownshirt Lockstep Lemmings will believe anything this idiot pig in human skin will tell them? Sure thing, neandertards don’t have the power of logic, so they just go with what the repukian propagandist tells them to think.
Hey, Beck, “GLOBAL WARMING”, crap didn’t work, bloods not shooting out of eyes, just his a$$.
Buck Fush
October 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pmBeck:
Are you CIA or DOD?
Comment by plunger
His delusions are all self inflicted. Why do you think they call it dope!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pmEr, you’re frothing again, Mikey.
Wipe the drool off, mmmmkay?
October 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHmmm, … I wonder if I’d be upset to see blood shoot out of Glenn Beck’s eyes. I don’t have a TV but if that event is ever advertised can someone email me so I can get cable? Thanks a bunch.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:47 pmGlobal Warming causes Arson?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
You mean the kind of arson where the arsonist arranges to generate hurricane-force winds that will snap power lines in tinder-dry mountainous areas?
Yeah, I see your point.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:47 pmGood one, Ralph!!! Get ‘im!!!!!
TCdon takes one to the chin! He’s down!! It’s a KO!!!
Go Ralph! The winner and still champeen!!!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:48 pmHmmm, … I wonder if I’d be upset to see blood shoot out of Glenn Beck’s eyes.
Comment by dxwoods — October 24, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
As long as you said, “UNFORTUNATELY, blood spurted out of Glenn Beck’s eyes,” you’d be okay. No one could accuse you of being hateful.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:49 pmYou dumb, Glenn. It was Iran, of course.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pmLOL, Ralph – yer crackin’ me up here!!!!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pmNo need to worry as the Bush Administration has been busy robbing the taxpayers blind the Middle East and Russia have joined forces. If the idiot Presidents Bush/Cheney attack Iran other countries will support Iran. Yes the US will have no allies and even the Saudis will join Iran. Now as for the bombing of Iran, the US will be attacked in retaliation only problem with that is Iran wont use Nukes. You just never know what they’ve been cooking in those plants. If Cheney hasn’t outed the covert CIA agent Plame we might know. Americans think Nukes are the weapon of choice because we’re that far behind. Look at how the enemy used our own planes don’t think they have other tricks that the dumb Presidents and Law Makers don’t know. The US Government and Leaders think like they did during the FDR days. Look at the committees of oldies. Age brings wisdom but youth keeps you up to date. Right now the US is working on the FDR plan and the Middle East uses the youth ideas.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:51 pmThanks, Annie. It’s nice to be appreciated.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:52 pmGlobal Warming causes Arson?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
No.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:52 pmYour comments again prove you are not credible or relevant.
FOX dun tol me it wuz the terrurists. Now your jus confusin me, dagnammit!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm*walks up to Glenn Beck*
October 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm“GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!”
*watches blood shoot out of Beck’s eyes.*
“That is so cool! GLOBAL WARMING!!!”
*watches more blood shoot out of Beck’s eyes*
“I could do this all day!”
mmmmm…no. Still not interested in what this guy says.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:54 pm“[I]f I hear global warming one more time, blood is going to shoot out of my eyes.â€
What if I’m just quoting you. Does that count?
October 24th, 2007 at 4:55 pmHell, all we need to do is turn a’loose the most brush clearin’ man the world has ever known – Big Bad George W. Paul John Bush-Bunyan-Henry. Legend says he went down to Texas and cleared a mighty swath – made more room for the morons to grow. Didn’t need no horse. Caught him a 3 pound Bass. He’d clear all the Brush in California in a weekend. It’s hard work.
Big.
Bad.
George W. Paul John Bush-Bunyan-Henry
October 24th, 2007 at 4:55 pmGlobal Warming causes Arson?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
No.
Your comments again prove you are not credible or relevant.
Comment by LividLib — October 24, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Ahhh don’t cry TCDon just because you have no veto to make yourself feel relevant.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmYou’re very welcome, Ralph. ;o) I’m loving the entertainment today.
Arn — you have to stick an “unfortunately” in there somewhere, otherwise you might be accused of being a hater. :o/
October 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmYou are behind the time TP. It has already been reported as ARSON. Wake up!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius
YES!!! Get Bush to clear the brush!!!
ROFLMAO!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmHey trolls, why do you to have your intellect mercilessly mocked and lampooned? I mean we are making fun of you TO YOUR FACE!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:58 pmBTW,
beck is correct. Global warming isn’t the suspect since it was ARSON.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:59 pmComment by TCDon
So you admit that it wasn’t Al Qaeda then?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:01 pmYou dumb, Glenn. It was Iran, of course.
Comment by Juan C. — October 24, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
No no no, it was Iran working with a-Qa’ida and Bigfoot and Saddam Hussein and uninsured children and black people and illegal immigrants and gay wizards who fanned out across the wilderscape setting fires with matches they paid for with their welfare checks.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe Windnuts! All hot air and crazy as a shithouse mouse!
October 24th, 2007 at 5:02 pmGlobal Warming causes Arson?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
No, of course not. However, global warming can cause hotter, drier conditions that create an environment more apt to allow for any fire (intentionally set or not) to rage out of control.
C’mon, TC — I give you credit for knowing this.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:02 pmWell, now I don’t know who to believe. Was it al Qaeda or not?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:02 pmmichael & tcdon showing their ignorance again, feigned or real, who cares. Warming causes hot temperatures. That dries out the friggin’ place. Unusual warm temps at this time of year lead to higher winds as the land cools quickly at night & warms in the daytime. Now you can say the fires were caused by arson or naturally (lightning). Global warming doesn’t cause arson, but it exacerbates fires by providing them with plenty of dry fuel & the winds blow them around spreading burning cinders and increasing the strength of the fires.
You both knew this, you’re not here for info, just to cause arguments.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:03 pmCouldn’t be in 1991. After all, Clinton was president and all was well then.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
After he stole Doc Brown’s DeLorean, maybe.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:03 pmOoooh, and he plays the Clinton Card!!
Lame, TCDon. Lame. Verrrrrry lame.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:04 pmIt’s all Biff’s fault.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pmToaster, something is wrong in the TP system cause I cant recommend your great post @ 5:03.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pmWas that caused by “global warming†too? Couldn’t be in 1991. After all, Clinton was president and all was well then. In fact, 9 of the 10 costliest fires in the U.S. since 1970 have occurred in California, according to the Insurance Information Institute. Global warming?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
you’re making a complete ass of yourself, TCDon.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:06 pmcorrection – you made a complete ass of yourself. long ago.
Winds in the morning were 15 to 25 miles per hour with gusts up to 45 mph. Not exactly “hurricane force†but I understand how the llama loves to ignore facts.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Actually, when the fires started the winds were as high as 100mph. Get your facts right or stfu.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:07 pmToaster, something is wrong in the TP system cause I cant recommend your great post @ 5:03.
Comment by Juan C. — October 24, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Awww, shucks :)
October 24th, 2007 at 5:08 pmExplain how?
Comment by michael — October 24, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
From now on, you’re going to feel like you’re hearing the voice of a seven year old brat who’s keeps asking “why can’t I play with matches”. If you do, it’s mickey. Don’t pay any attention and he’ll get tired and go to sleep while sucking his thumb.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:08 pmHe also claimed that global warming has nothing to do with the situation, stating, “[I]f I hear global warming one more time, blood is going to shoot out of my eyes.â€
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Maybe he should save that for pay-per-view…
October 24th, 2007 at 5:08 pmGlobal warming?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
No. it’s gawd punishing all of the antienvironmentalist fatcats too stupid to know how nature works. Pigs at the trough, trying to live over and above everybody else. Hubris has been their sin, and the lawd has visited his punishment on them.
How’s that work for you? Do you think global climate change started last month? the extent of your ignorance is vast and deep, like the shit that fills your head.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:09 pmOyler entered a plea of not guilty by reason of Global Warming.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Zing, take that libs!! TCDon proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that arson has occured in the past. What are you gonna do about that!?!?
/snark
October 24th, 2007 at 5:10 pmArson & global warming are apparently mutually exclusive. tcdon, what a complete idiot.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:11 pmOoooh! Not content to play the Clinton Card ONCE – TCDon plays it AGAIN!!
You need to find a new trick, TC. You’re very boring.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:12 pmComment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
I can’t figure out if you’re really this dumb, or just so stuck in your ideological rectum that you can’t think anything through.
Heat, high winds, and dry brush are the conditions which allow for rampant wild fires. When the conditions are as bad as they currently exist, any number of causes can set off devastating fires. Causes can be multiple, including blown-down power lines, industrial accidents, sparks from other fires and arson. (All of these have been suggested as the source of the current fires.)
What people are trying to explain to you is that conditions are likely to become increasingly bad as temperatures rise. If average temperatures rise, so too do the possibilities of fires, whether caused by arson or accident.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:13 pmIn fact, 9 of the 10 costliest fires in the U.S. since 1970 have occurred in California, according to the Insurance Information Institute. Global warming?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
From http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/10/wildfire.html:
:pwn:
October 24th, 2007 at 5:13 pmYeah, I see your point.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — October 24, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Best right hand uppercut I’ve seen in a long time.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:13 pmFind out more about who produces this show..
AND Find out WHO finances this crap.. and expose the Beck staff
We remember.. This BECK punk launched into national radio syndication soon after Sept. 11, 2001
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Glenn_Beck
BECK called hurricane survivors in New Orleans ’scumbags,’ and also said he ‘hates’ 9-11 families
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509090003
And in 2003, Beck countered anti-war protests by using his radio show to organize pro-war rallies across the nation..
–> Countdown’s Worst Person In The World: Beck BillO And The NRO Nutter
October 24th, 2007 at 5:13 pm(7649 downloads)
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/23/countdowns-worst-person-in-the-world-beck-billo-and-the-nro-nutter/
Gee, I wonder why the polar ice caps are melting on Mars. Could it be that we share the same Sun with Mars? Nah…….. must be the Republicans fault.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Clearly there are arsonists on Mars.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:14 pmGee, I wonder why the polar ice caps are melting on Mars. Could it be that we share the same Sun with Mars? Nah…….. must be the Republicans fault.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
You’re going to get a splinter if you keep scraping the bottom of the barrel like this.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:14 pmi thought alqaeda was responsible for it?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:14 pm#71:
That’s Fox news actually. CNN it’s apparently environmentalists.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:15 pmOK poll time! Who’s smarter?
TCDon, Glenn Beck or Sloth from Goonies?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:16 pmWhy does Beck claim it’s the fault of the environmentalists when he initially said it was the people who “hate America”? Or does he think they’re one and the same?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:17 pmClimate Change produces extreme and erratic weather conditions in regions where stable conditions were found. For example, here in Mexico we had yesterday some 27 °C comfortable, sunny day. Today we have this 3 °C SUNNY day.
Climate Change will intensify floods, droughts and hurricanes. This is not alarmist propaganda. It is not propaganda if it’s true. It’s not alarmist if we can do something to prevent it (maybe too late).
October 24th, 2007 at 5:17 pmSo……Mutant Gay Environmentalist Wizard Tele-Tubbies, funded by vegetarian feminist antiwar Al-CIAda Communist Socialist agents, are to blame for the fires.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:17 pmTCDon, Glenn Beck or Sloth from Goonies?
Comment by lefty
You took out michael from that poll.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:18 pmDont you want to see him win anything?
OH NOOOOOO!!!!
Al Qaeda’s on MARS now?????
Damn terrorists are freaking *everywhere*.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhy does Beck claim it’s the fault of the environmentalists when he initially said it was the people who “hate America� Or does he think they’re one and the same?
Comment by missmolly — October 24, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
One and the same.
It’s a quick slippery slope from driving a hybrid to treason.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:18 pmOyler entered a plea of not guilty by reason of Global Warming.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
And what’s your excuse?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:19 pmAll y’all arguing about global warming are missing the point: Somebody in government screwed up royally, again. Homes obviously shouldn’t be being built in these areas. The water table in California is probably also in trouble. Just like every other disaster that has taken place in the recent past in the US, there were knowledgeable, professional voices that gave warnings to do or not to do certain things based on fair and balanced scientific evidence. These voices were ignored and ridiculed by the government they served (a government that just happens to believe that god will come down and bail us out). Safety, public health, infrastructure, and public services have all been sacrificed to the “conservatives” who want only money, and they want it now.
T’wasn’t global warming what caused the great conflagration, t’was unwise government.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:19 pmEven tho I’m as Progressive as they come… I can’t say that Global Warming is the primary cause of these wildfires. Are they a factor? Certainly.
But I think Bush’s Healthy Forests Initiative, the lack of trained national guardsmen and their equipment (both being in Iraq) and the general lack of accountibility are also major factors.
As to what started the fires? Arson probably did start at least one of the fires but certainly not all of them.
But right now, its really not about what started the fires anymore… In the conditions that existed at the time the fires started, almost anything could have started the fires. I think the culpability part lies in allowing conditions to get to the point where almost anything could start the conflagurations and not having the materials and manpower available to fight them.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:19 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius
What a great post.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:20 pmTCDon, I live along the coast a few miles north of Malibu, and I can tell you that the winds on Sunday morning were quite a bit more forecful than 15-30 mph. All day Sunday there were gusts up to 80 mph, if the local news reports could be trusted.
So nice try at smearing the messenger but, unfortunately, the facts have failed you again.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI wonder if the draining of the water table due to unsustainable irrigated agriculture was a factor. Is anyone talking about that?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI meant Marcus Aureliu’s #33.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:24 pmGee, I wonder why the polar ice caps are melting on Mars. Could it be that we share the same Sun with Mars? Nah…….. must be the Republicans fault.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Here TC, I think it’s a good way to prevent you from asking stupid questions for a while.
http://www.jasoncoleman.net/2007/02/06/25-reasons-why-you-should-understand-neil-boortz-is-wrong/
October 24th, 2007 at 5:26 pmThe defendants are connected to the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front. The crimes occurred from 1996 to 2001, and the arrests were made in 2005 and early 2006. Leftist wackos.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Yup, looks like you’re still scraping away. I’ll get the tweezers and peroxide ready.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAnd is it al Qaeda or environmentalists that have caused the worst drought ever in Georgia, Alabama and Florida. Because I don’t want to upset Beck and suggest it might have something to do with global warming. Because if blood actually does shoot out of his eyes, then I’m going to have to actually watch that idiot.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:28 pmEven tho I’m as Progressive as they come… I can’t say that Global Warming is the primary cause of these wildfires. Are they a factor? Certainly.
Comment by raynman — October 24, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Come on, raynman, who ever said GW is a primary cause of these fires?
No one except wingnuts, trying to stuff a straw man to knock down with their wiffle bats. It’s an old, tired trick — frame an outlandish position as being held by the other side, and demonstrate how ridiculous it is. Simple.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:28 pmOops, you’re right. My bad. Bush was president in 1991. It must have been Global warming then. If it were 1993-2001 though (when there were also dozens of California Wild fires), it couldn’t have been — because all was well in Camelot then.
Comment by TCDon
At least TCDon admits his mistakes, which is more than I can say for the President. It seems TCDon also has a sense of humor. Maybe there is hope for the troll after all :)
October 24th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThere they go again. Now it’s CNN trying to be a Comedy Channel. Look what Jon Stewart started. Now everyone wants to get in the act.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pmGee, I wonder why the polar ice caps are melting on Mars. Could it be that we share the same Sun with Mars? Nah…….. must be the Republicans fault.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Here TC. This should keep you busy for a while:
http://www.jasoncoleman.net/2007/02/06/25-reasons-why-you-should-understand-neil-boortz-is-wrong
October 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pmDamn. I thought it was God’s wrath for all them gays.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pmTCDon,
Are you two related?
http://www.nctexasbirds.com/images/hot_news.jpg
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October 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pmArson is likely responsible. Might have been Al Quada, but I doubt it. Probably some wacko environmental extremest trying to prove a point about “global warming.†Chelsea D. Gerlach may be beind bars, but there are others like her. Judge Aiken sentenced Ms. Gerlach to nine years in prison for her role in “the family,†a group of at least 10 radical environmentalists who have been convicted of arson and other destructive actions at an electrical transmission tower; timber research centers; a Eugene police station; a ski resort in Vail, Colo.; and other sites in five Western states (including California) that they viewed as threats to the environment or their mission. The defendants are connected to the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front. The crimes occurred from 1996 to 2001, and the arrests were made in 2005 and early 2006. Leftist wackos.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Thanks for answering my question about ideology and your rectum.
Yes, of course, the most likely cause of brush fires in southern California is environmental arsonists. Or Al Qaeda Martians.
Eco-terrorists target facilities, idiot. They have not set random fires in the suburbs, attempting to destroy the very environment that they’ve been trying to protect with their “radical environmental agenda” and regulations. Makes perfect sense if you’re a total idiot.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pmGLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
Any blood yet?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:32 pmLet’s talk some more about the blood shooting out of his eyes. Unfortunate as that would be.
Typical Repugnicunt Orwellian logic. It’s not Global Warming, it’s the people who are opposed to GW and want to do something about it that are the cause.
How about this? Hybrid cars emit sparks when they switch from gas to electric (not really, but that’s part of the routine) and the sparks are what started the wildfires. If only hybrids were outlawed and we all drove Hummers, this wouldn’t have happened! Why do the environmentalists hate Rancho Santa Fe?
See how easy it is to be a Repugnicuntpundit?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:33 pmHey man! Did you hear about that dude who killed all them people in Iraq? He’s a criminal, too.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:34 pmTCDon: lazy enough to resort to the “Clinton” card and stupid enough to say Clinton was pres in 1991. Hilarious.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:34 pmhttp://www.nctexasbirds.com/images/hot_news.jpg
Comment by LividLib — October 24, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Hee hee hee!
October 24th, 2007 at 5:35 pmits a battle between who came blame the most innocuous for the wildfires:
Fox: Al Qaeda in America (AQA)
October 24th, 2007 at 5:37 pmCNN: Environmentalists
NBC: Lead-based Chinese made toys!
CBS: Richard Gere’s butt gerbils
There was a 6 yr. drought in the 1810s, a 7 yr. drought in the 1860s, an 8 yr. drought in the 1930’s (the “dust bowlâ€), a 5 yr. drought in the 1950’s, etc…. Climate cycles. Get it? http://droughtoutlook.com/maps.html.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Yes, we get it. You’re a hopeless moron. You don’t need to keep reminding us.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:37 pmTell ya what, TCDon – if you can post exceptionally stupid things about environmentalists starting the fires – well then, so can I.
Here goes. I hope you enjoy it.
I think it was some rabid right wingers who listen to Glenn Beck – he said that Californians hate America, and that they deserved to have their houses burned down.
So these rabid Republican knuckledraggers went out and started the fires to get back at all those California libruls who HATE AMURCA.
Take THAT you Amurca-hating libruls!!!
OK, TCDon, was that stupid enough for you…?
(Whew. Being stupid is hard work!)
October 24th, 2007 at 5:41 pmComment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Yes, we get it. You’re a hopeless moron. You don’t need to keep reminding us.
Comment by toasterhead — October 24, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
True, but it doesn’t hurt to be reminded every now and then. After all, since liberals are more comfortable with new information, we’d be likely to re-evaluate TDCon’s intelligence periodically. So far, it looks like consistency is the name of the game.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:42 pmSo toasterhead, was “global warming†the cause of the 1810s, 1860s, 1930s and 1950s droughts?
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
No. Droughts happened before we started messing with the climate. Nobody disputes that. But the scientific consensus is that the changes in climate we have caused will likely contribute to longer and more intense droughts in the future. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThere was a 6 yr. drought in the 1810s, a 7 yr. drought in the 1860s, an 8 yr. drought in the 1930’s (the “dust bowlâ€), a 5 yr. drought in the 1950’s, etc…. Climate cycles. Get it? http://droughtoutlook.com/maps.html.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
When I want an explanation of climate cycles I’ll consult a climatologist, not someone who gets his scientific information from FoxNews.
Like it says: start here.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:43 pmTrue, but it doesn’t hurt to be reminded every now and then. After all, since liberals are more comfortable with new information, we’d be likely to re-evaluate TDCon’s intelligence periodically. So far, it looks like consistency is the name of the game.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — October 24, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Good point. It’s the scientific method, really. We’re just re-testing the hypothesis that TCDon is a moron with new information before declaring it absolute fact.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:46 pmWhat is it with wingnuts and the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:46 pmIt’s the stuppidest and most aggravating behavior. We say Global Warming was a factor. You say, it was not THE Factor! Arsonists start fires! Here, let me cut and paste some stuff about arsonists!
Are you really so stupid that you think you’ve won an argument by misstating the premise?
TCDon,
October 24th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI continue to be confused how some unknown and meaningless posters such as yourself at a simple site such as this can be so well informed while the rest of the global community is so ignorant. How do you explain the fact that the CDC thinks somethings up, the US military is planning for the potential implications of climate change, the international community is engaged in ongoing discussion and planning, the citizens of Tuvulu are thinking of moving, nations are posturing for position in an opening Arctic, and on and on but only you and a few others have the true dirt on this. Damn you must be one smart muther!!
Silly Beck……. Faux Snewz is claiming it is Al Qaeda, with Bics of Mass Destruction, don’t ya know?
Fear the BMDs!!!
October 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWhile I am reading maybe you might explain why the rest of the world including the US military strategic planners don’t put much stock in your literature
October 24th, 2007 at 5:54 pmgummitch: he actually gets his information from a place that would make Fox look like National Geographic. He posted this today.
“if you want to learn something about the subject of “global warming,†you may want to read some of the 224 + articles linked here”.
http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 9:48 am
If you’d like to become acquainted with “The Schnitt Show”, use the link.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:55 pmTCDON
October 24th, 2007 at 5:59 pmSo I assume it follows that a poster at such a site woud lack credibility?
And your cult leader Herr Bush *has* credibility, TCDon – after having reported that Saddam had WMD…?
OK. I see how that works.
Not really, but I’m trying.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:02 pmHow about some recent history. Here’s Bush selling his “Healthy Forest Initiative” in 2003 as a response to killer wildfires that were hitting the west.
“It’s important that we have good, sound forest policy. And the best way to do so is to listen to the experts, who understand that by thinning out our forests, we risk — we reduce the risk of catastrophic fire; that we can and we should have good, sound forest management policy all across the United States of America. (Applause.)
And that’s why I outlined what I called a Healthy Forest Initiative. The forest policies of the past operated to discourage efforts to thin forests. And, unfortunately, well meaning people proposed — put policy in place that made the health of the forests at risk, not better off.”
Democrats and environmentalists didn’t like the program because Bush refused to include regulations to force timber companies to spend some money and time on clearing firebreaks around residential areas bordering open spaces. The timber industry liked the legislation because it allowed them to get more timber out of protected areas deep within large forests. Bush’s policy has now been law for over 4 years.
Bush supporters: why has Bush’s policy been such a dismal failure even though it was proposed because of disasters such as this? Any thoughts?
October 24th, 2007 at 6:02 pmBeck is part of the White male monopoly of power in this country. His job is to do nothing but be inflammatory, like ORly?, and like Limpbaugh. Knuckle draggers, who have nothing personally to gain from siding with them, only do so because they’re compelled to do it – daddy would be mad if they didn’t.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:05 pm136: Then, leave. Go vent your stupidity where someone will appreciate it, like redhate or malkin♡burma.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:06 pm144: Damn, I’m so disapointed. Oh well, no more whack-a-troll.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:08 pmComment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
The U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works is a wingnut organization?
Is that the committee that until recently was chaired by James Inhofe of Oklahoma? Naaahhhh, that wouldn’t have anything “wingnut” about it.
Try this one: Panel of Broadcast Meteorologists Reject Man-Made Global Warming Fears- Claim 95% of Weathermen Skeptical.
Uh-oh — now TDCon’s bringing out the Big Guns! TV Weathermen!
October 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmoh shoot… TDCon left…
Oh well. Anyone got a football we can toss around instead?
October 24th, 2007 at 6:11 pmCan we please outsource Beck? It’s time to clear the pollution from a polluted journalist.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:18 pmUm, TCDon…? Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, mmmkay?
October 24th, 2007 at 6:23 pmFortunately TDDumb is in the -24%, and smarter heads will eventually prevail. Stupid is as stupid does, and all.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:27 pmWhat is it about wingnuts that they can so breezily say stupid sh!t, get slammed for it, then say more stupid sh!t as if they’d never said anything stupid before?
I kind of envy that obliviousness.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:27 pmI just hope that someday those environmentalists that caused the Valdez spill and that unpleasantness in Bhopal finally pay the price before the blind eyes of Ms. Justice
October 24th, 2007 at 6:35 pmIf the ignorant, bigoted, racist, ill-educated Beck had a brain, he would be dangerous.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:36 pmTC Don’s global warming skeptic: *Canadian climatologist Timothy Ball recently called fears of man-made global warming “the greatest deception in the history of science.â€
I picked just one of TCDon’s “sources” and did a simple Google search on him. Timothy Ball runs something called the “Natural Resources Defense counsel” which is financed and run by energy industry lobbyists.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pmSung to the tune of the Green Acres theme:
Glenn Beck is crazy as can be
Water carryin’ the life for he
Brown nosin’ the republican side
TV and radio, hearin’ him countrywide
Padded cell is where he oughta stay
Not on U.S. air making hay
Gonna give him a jailhouse view
Glenn old boy nobody’s in love with you
No more!
Bush whore!
Dead air!
That’s fair!
Glenn is a loon
October 24th, 2007 at 6:49 pmGettin’ rid of him soon
Obscurity he’ll be there!
Or this one. Climate Skeptics Vindicated as Growing Number of Scientists & Politicians Oppose Alarmism. http://epw.senate.gov/ public/ index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b82eaa82-802a-23ad-49e8-30b49d1bc8f5&Region_id=&Issue_id=
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Generally, papers won’t be published if they contain redundant opinions or evidence. So actually, the real surprise here is that there are more than a handful of papers that explicitly support the Climate Change position. Not only that, the journal in question deals with energy AND the environment, so we can assume that roughly half the papers, perhaps the 48% or so neutral papers cited in your article, have to do with energy and not the environment. With this, and the abundant amount of money being dumped into “disproving” climate change, I think your article provides reinforcement rather than rebuttal for the growing consensus among climate experts concerning climate change.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:51 pmOr this one. Climate Skeptics Vindicated as Growing Number of Scientists & Politicians Oppose Alarmism. http://epw.senate.gov/ public/ index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b82eaa82-802a-23ad-49e8-30b49d1bc8f5&Region_id=&Issue_id=
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
I should also mention that this is hardly a scientific study. I’m sure if we collected all the published papers by biologists who explicitly support the theory of evolution from 2003-2007, we could “prove” that there is no consensus on evolution whatsoever.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:54 pm#159 Comment by ralph the wonder llama — October 24, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
What is it about wingnuts that they can so breezily say stupid sh!t, get slammed for it, then say more stupid sh!t as if they’d never said anything stupid before?
Have you looked at a troll up close? If so, you surely noticed that their ears are only there for show. They look like ears but they can’t hear anything cause there is no hole in them. And their eyes. They move like real eyes but they don’t really see cause there is a thick film of sh*t covering them. Now the mouth, that is a different story! It works perfectly! er… except that it is connected to a non functioning brain, of course. A brain that needs to be programmed and reprogrammed to fit the situation.
The factories that produce these trolls, and the wingnuts that program them over at LG Footfungus, Redstink and their ilk, are abject failures as evidenced by the trolls that appear here. Sadly these idiot, no nothing trolls find their way over here all too frequently, and we have to listen to their programmed drivel.
And what is worse, I hear that there are presidential candidates that represent these losing freaks. I think they call themselves Republipukes… no, Repukes, or something like that. Anyway, the election in ‘09 will be a laugher as they go crashing down to the worst defeat in this country’s history.
Rumor has it that these trolls and their inept masters believe that their current leader, (who got to be president by some of the worst shenanagins I have ever seen,) will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents of all time! Right up there with Lincoln they say. Whooooie! Now, that takes some stretchin’ of the old imagination, in my book.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:00 pmBesides being wrong, it doesn’t explain why, with the warning from weather forecasters, it took so long to get men and equipment into the area and start vigorous fire fighting. The fires were allowed to burn wildly for about 3 days, getting completely out of hand. Heck-of-a job once again.
It also doesn’t explain why greater effort is being undertaken to construct fire breaks. And why don’t local residences mow down some of these dry grasses and remove the fuel that makes spreading so easy.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:00 pm…
i heard something VERY interesting on randi’s show earlier…
she was talking with rep. bob filner, CA 51… he stated that the first of the fires started in the rural area near petrero… that is was determined to be arson… that petrero is where blackwater is “planning to build a new military training centerâ€â€¦
hmmm…
October 24th, 2007 at 7:01 pminfo on that facility:
http://www.democracynow.org/ article.pl?sid=07/ 04/ 19/ 1349211
…
You have to go back 1,000 years to find fires in western US to equal the past 15 years.
Just because you can name one thing that is not man-made global warming—does not mean that nothing is man-made global warming.
California will not say how many of their National Guard or equipment are in Iraq. They refuse to answer.
Beck joked about asking for money for the poor people of Malibu who have lost their homes.
One degree rise in temp means four times fire damage. Fire damage means more CO2. Loss of trees means more CO2.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:10 pmIt will also be used as an excuse to bash environmentalists.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 24, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
“If they just let us pour more concrete, none of this would happen!â€
Comment by gummitch — October 24, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Hah!!! I told ya so. Glen Beck, the Pillsbury Blowboy, strikes again!
October 24th, 2007 at 7:25 pmIf Reichwingnuts like Malkin and Beck had brains they would take them out and play with them. It is easy to see who is in the 24%tile, the dumbest, knuckle dragging, morons, on earth.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:26 pmBeck had a segment on 9/11 conspiracies with himself and two debunkers of the conspiracies. That’s it. Noone from the other side. He lied and said “some” in Maher’s audience caused a problem—-there was only one guy.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pmI haven’t seen much mention of it, but I guess the Beck Boy didn’t see 60 Minutes this last Sunday or he would have seen the story on western wildfires. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176.shtml
Of course, this wouldn’t interest him because it involves… what do you call them again?… oh yea, FACTS!
October 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pmBush is going to speak to the evacuees!! Haven’t they suffered enough?
October 24th, 2007 at 7:40 pmTales from the American Nazi Party continue to amaze.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:50 pm#38 TCdon:
Couldn’t be in 1991. After all, Clinton was president and all was well then.
Hey, all you rightards: TCdon’s a troll, trying to make you all look stoopid. Oh … wait ….
Cheers,
October 24th, 2007 at 8:14 pm“[I]f I hear global warming one more time, blood is going to shoot out of my eyes.â€
Works for me, and then he can just die.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:17 pmCalifornia will not say how many of their National Guard or equipment are in Iraq. They refuse to answer.
That’s because Arnie wants to protect Bush. I have no idea why, but that isn’t going to go over well with the voters in California. They returned him to office when he started acting more liberal, especially on environmental issues, but a hard turn to the right is going to hose him quickly.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:20 pmI have a new thing I do when I run into a global warming skeptic. I ask them “Do you really think that pumping billions of tons of toxic chemicals into our atmosphere is going to have no effect on the earth?” That usually shuts them up quickly. If they try to say it would have no effect, then I ask them, would you want those chemicals pumped into your house for you to breathe?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:22 pmOh please allow me. GLOBAL WARMING. GLOBAL WARMING. GLOBAL WARMING!!!!
Tell me when the blood starts pumping out of his eyes please.
October 24th, 2007 at 8:23 pmwhere can i find out about what even more idiots think of the fires and global warming, glennnnnn?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:39 pmComment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Didn’t you make a very similar claim earlier. Is this rehashed I need attention crap?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:57 pmTCDon:
October 24th, 2007 at 9:59 pmIt is pronounced dbadass. And if your prediction doesn’t stand, will crow be eaten?
If anyone wants to know what drives the Becks, O’lielys, Limpballs and their ilk to say the insane things they do, read the article by Laird Wilcox called:
The Practice of Ritual Defamation
How values, opinions and beliefs are
controlled in democratic societies.
In it he states:
“It’s important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use.”
Beck does this here by attempting to intimidate and destroy environmentalists. This is a Republic technique going back to the 1980s. Recall what Bush did to McCain in 1999, the destruction of Max Cleland in 2002 and John Kerry in 2004. With Kerry it developed the name, Swiftboating. But these obvious examples are just the tip of the iceberg. Rupublics use this kind of tactic constantly. Anybody who disagrees with them lacks patriotism, is a trator or is loony to believe what they do.
So what they say is not insane, nor are they stupid. It is a tactic that is used purposefully. It is the “means” to their ends. Sadly, it has worked very well for Lee Atwater and Rove.
We Democrats need to stop complaining about Glen, Bill and Rush etc. as if they are the problem. (Like getting rid of them is the solution. Stepping on ants does nothing to the nest!) They are but mercenaries using a proven tactic in support of their “betters.” We need to have the balls to stand up to them and reject their manipulation, as well as go on the attack against their “betters”, also known as BushCo. Now if the Dems in Congress would do that!…
Digby has more about the article here:
Enjoy!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:08 pmThis goes with post #192
TP did not accept my links. Here they are.
Link to Laird Wilcox article:
Link to Digby:
October 24th, 2007 at 10:12 pmOK still no links. just go here
Wilcox
http://www.lairdwilcox.com/news/defame.html
Digby
October 24th, 2007 at 10:14 pmhttp://commonsense.ourfuture.org/art_hissy_fit
#188 Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
You can’t look at the economic cost without looking at the offsetting economic benefit. How much of the supposed 2.4 trillion has been poured into the U.S. Economy? How many jobs have been created? How much has been paid back in tax dollars? Until you know the answers to these questions, talking only about “cost†is meaningless.
So that is your idea of jacking up the economy then? Illegally invade and occupy a country in order have money “poured into the U.S. Economy?” Bomb and kill the country’s civilians and figure the cost benefits to the U.S. You are a whack job if you think this way. And if you don’t, you are simply a troll with nothing but programmed rubbish coming out of your mouth.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:27 pmTry this one: Panel of Broadcast Meteorologists Reject Man-Made Global Warming Fears- Claim 95% of Weathermen Skeptical. http://epw.senate.gov/ public/ index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=CC160863-802A-23AD-4B10-571FFE8F3B76
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
A panel of TV Weathermen? People who read a teleprompter in front of a Chroma-Key bluescreen? WOW! Now THAT’s a scientific source I can trust! I mean, sure, they can’t tell me with any degree of accuracy whether it’s going to rain tomorrow, but I’ll trust them for the most important policy decisions of the 21st century!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:37 pmBeck should run for Governor of Georgia, buy a wheat farm in OK, and invest in Great lakes shipping companies.
Dooit BEK! UBE be RICH and LUVED!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:39 pmGLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING!
Beck, are you listening?!? (Let the schmuck hemorrhage for all I care, although I frankly think he’s so cold-blooded that it couldn’t possibly shoot out of his eyes — it’s already frozen solid inside his veins. He was quite happy to sneer at all the people who’ve lost their homes to the wildfires — so why should I offer him any charity when he never has any to offer other people? What goes around, comes around…)
GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:58 pmBeck and Malkin are correct; certain litigious “environmentalists” who do not understand forestry have prevented responsible thinning and controlled burns. Native Americans successfully used controlled burns to manage the forests long before anyone worried about anthropogenic global warming.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:50 pmFrom Buzzflash.com:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5202
California Fires: What the Governor failed to mention is that he vetoed four bills that would have increased staffing and fire resources after the Cedar Fire, at a cost of tens of millions of dollars. A fifth bill, signed by Schwarzenegger, requires local governments to first submit safety plans to the California Department of Forestry and will not take effect until 2010, the Los Angeles Times reported in a May 20, 2007 article titled “Fire danger acute as 2003 lessons fade.†10/25
October 25th, 2007 at 1:04 amBeck and Malkin are correct; certain litigious “environmentalists†who do not understand forestry have prevented responsible thinning and controlled burns. Native Americans successfully used controlled burns to manage the forests long before anyone worried about anthropogenic global warming.
Comment by obrienr — October 24, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
wow, you aren’t afraid to display your ignorance and lack of education, are you? republicans are so proud of their stupidity, it’s quite amazing.
October 25th, 2007 at 2:14 amIf Only blood would shoot out of his eyes. Instead of the urine.
October 25th, 2007 at 7:42 amTurns out I was Right. At least two (and probably more) of the fires were caused by Arson. There has been at least one arrest and one suspect shot dead. Soon we will find out if either suspect was a radical environmentalist trying to bring attention to things like “global warming.â€
Comment by TCDon — October 25, 2007 @ 8:53 am
It seems like one of the SUSPECTED arsonists drove a dirty pickup truck. Until we hear more, don’t assume Progressives or Environmentalists did this. After all, who ran over all the crosses at Cindy Crawford’s setup? Rednecks in pickups. Who bombed Murrah building? Right Wing Extremist. Who is fighting these insane wars in the Middle East? Right Wing Christian and Muslim Crazies. Violence against nature, animals, buildings, and people is wrong, whether done by the left or the right.
October 25th, 2007 at 10:26 amglobal warming is nothing more than an industry for algore and others to make obscene profits, and a useful vehicle to heap major tax increases upon all of us.
October 25th, 2007 at 10:52 amRead Mike Davis’ Ecology of Fear: Los Angeles and the Imagination of Disaster. He describes uncontrolled land development in the ecologically unstable foot hills of so cal as being a site of potential disaster. Santa Anna winds, dry arid climate and fires have always been there (with or without global warming).
Its the natural geography and seriously poor planning that is the problem.
October 25th, 2007 at 11:31 amCT (#207): What about the obscene profits the defense industry made waging an unnecessary war? What about Halliburton’s obscene profits? What about the oil companies’ obscene profits? Please do go on about the obscene profits made from the war-of-choice in Iraq. If someone is going to make obscene profits, I would rather they be made by those who save our planet, rather than those who destroy it.
October 25th, 2007 at 1:24 pm‘global worming,’ global deworming, globular warming, global warming. Yep, its all there,TCDon, and its worldwide. You’d have to listen to BBC and CBC and other Global news orgs who report on worldwide news. Please step outside your city/state/wherever and tap into those. Hell, even Reuters reports worldwide changes. What happens in the US is only a snippet of what is happening worldwide. Arson? of course, ciggie butts thrown out car windows; campfires by cold illegals coming through the chapparal(sp), forests (such as they are in SoCal), lightning strikes? those too! Forest fires creat their own weather systems, including lightning strikes, or didn’t the Weatherguys tell you that? Stop being in denial, and stop believing in everything mommy serves you for breakfast and dinner on CNN and FOX. They’re only there for entertainment (remember the Romans gave their citizens ‘blood and circuses,’ to keep them occupied while the Goths and Visigoths and Vandals were at the gates of their fragile empire).
October 25th, 2007 at 10:19 pm