Comments on: Beck Blames California Wildfires On The ‘Damn Environmentalists’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:48:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: skydudesleftnut http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4133940 skydudesleftnut Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:19:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4133940 'global worming,' global deworming, globular warming, global warming. Yep, its all there,TCDon, and its worldwide. You'd have to listen to BBC and CBC and other Global news orgs who report on worldwide news. Please step outside your city/state/wherever and tap into those. Hell, even Reuters reports worldwide changes. What happens in the US is only a snippet of what is happening worldwide. Arson? of course, ciggie butts thrown out car windows; campfires by cold illegals coming through the chapparal(sp), forests (such as they are in SoCal), lightning strikes? those too! Forest fires creat their own weather systems, including lightning strikes, or didn't the Weatherguys tell you that? Stop being in denial, and stop believing in everything mommy serves you for breakfast and dinner on CNN and FOX. They're only there for entertainment (remember the Romans gave their citizens 'blood and circuses,' to keep them occupied while the Goths and Visigoths and Vandals were at the gates of their fragile empire). ‘global worming,’ global deworming, globular warming, global warming. Yep, its all there,TCDon, and its worldwide. You’d have to listen to BBC and CBC and other Global news orgs who report on worldwide news. Please step outside your city/state/wherever and tap into those. Hell, even Reuters reports worldwide changes. What happens in the US is only a snippet of what is happening worldwide. Arson? of course, ciggie butts thrown out car windows; campfires by cold illegals coming through the chapparal(sp), forests (such as they are in SoCal), lightning strikes? those too! Forest fires creat their own weather systems, including lightning strikes, or didn’t the Weatherguys tell you that? Stop being in denial, and stop believing in everything mommy serves you for breakfast and dinner on CNN and FOX. They’re only there for entertainment (remember the Romans gave their citizens ‘blood and circuses,’ to keep them occupied while the Goths and Visigoths and Vandals were at the gates of their fragile empire).

]]> By: Tender Chicken http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132839 Tender Chicken Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:24:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132839 CT (#207): What about the obscene profits the defense industry made waging an unnecessary war? What about Halliburton's obscene profits? What about the oil companies' obscene profits? Please do go on about the obscene profits made from the war-of-choice in Iraq. If someone is going to make obscene profits, I would rather they be made by those who save our planet, rather than those who destroy it. CT (#207): What about the obscene profits the defense industry made waging an unnecessary war? What about Halliburton’s obscene profits? What about the oil companies’ obscene profits? Please do go on about the obscene profits made from the war-of-choice in Iraq. If someone is going to make obscene profits, I would rather they be made by those who save our planet, rather than those who destroy it.

]]> By: squidbilly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132545 squidbilly Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:31:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132545 Read Mike Davis' Ecology of Fear: Los Angeles and the Imagination of Disaster. He describes uncontrolled land development in the ecologically unstable foot hills of so cal as being a site of potential disaster. Santa Anna winds, dry arid climate and fires have always been there (with or without global warming). Its the natural geography and seriously poor planning that is the problem. Read Mike Davis’ Ecology of Fear: Los Angeles and the Imagination of Disaster. He describes uncontrolled land development in the ecologically unstable foot hills of so cal as being a site of potential disaster. Santa Anna winds, dry arid climate and fires have always been there (with or without global warming).

Its the natural geography and seriously poor planning that is the problem.

]]> By: ct http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132434 ct Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:52:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132434 global warming is nothing more than an industry for algore and others to make obscene profits, and a useful vehicle to heap major tax increases upon all of us. global warming is nothing more than an industry for algore and others to make obscene profits, and a useful vehicle to heap major tax increases upon all of us.

]]> By: Brain From Planet Arous http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132385 Brain From Planet Arous Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:26:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132385 <em>Turns out I was Right. At least two (and probably more) of the fires were caused by Arson. There has been at least one arrest and one suspect shot dead. Soon we will find out if either suspect was a radical environmentalist trying to bring attention to things like “global warming.” Comment by TCDon — October 25, 2007 @ 8:53 am</em> It seems like one of the SUSPECTED arsonists drove a dirty pickup truck. Until we hear more, don't assume Progressives or Environmentalists did this. After all, who ran over all the crosses at Cindy Crawford's setup? Rednecks in pickups. Who bombed Murrah building? Right Wing Extremist. Who is fighting these insane wars in the Middle East? Right Wing Christian and Muslim Crazies. Violence against nature, animals, buildings, and people is wrong, whether done by the left or the right. Turns out I was Right. At least two (and probably more) of the fires were caused by Arson. There has been at least one arrest and one suspect shot dead. Soon we will find out if either suspect was a radical environmentalist trying to bring attention to things like “global warming.”

Comment by TCDon — October 25, 2007 @ 8:53 am

It seems like one of the SUSPECTED arsonists drove a dirty pickup truck. Until we hear more, don’t assume Progressives or Environmentalists did this. After all, who ran over all the crosses at Cindy Crawford’s setup? Rednecks in pickups. Who bombed Murrah building? Right Wing Extremist. Who is fighting these insane wars in the Middle East? Right Wing Christian and Muslim Crazies. Violence against nature, animals, buildings, and people is wrong, whether done by the left or the right.

]]> By: pearlgrey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132224 pearlgrey Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:42:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132224 If Only blood would shoot out of his eyes. Instead of the urine. If Only blood would shoot out of his eyes. Instead of the urine.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132194 Lefty Patriot Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:14:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132194 Beck and Malkin are correct; certain litigious “environmentalists” who do not understand forestry have prevented responsible thinning and controlled burns. Native Americans successfully used controlled burns to manage the forests long before anyone worried about anthropogenic global warming. Comment by obrienr — October 24, 2007 @ 11:50 pm wow, you aren't afraid to display your ignorance and lack of education, are you? republicans are so proud of their stupidity, it's quite amazing. Beck and Malkin are correct; certain litigious “environmentalists” who do not understand forestry have prevented responsible thinning and controlled burns. Native Americans successfully used controlled burns to manage the forests long before anyone worried about anthropogenic global warming.

Comment by obrienr — October 24, 2007 @ 11:50 pm

wow, you aren’t afraid to display your ignorance and lack of education, are you? republicans are so proud of their stupidity, it’s quite amazing.

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132147 Keith Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:04:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132147 From Buzzflash.com: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5202 California Fires: What the Governor failed to mention is that he vetoed four bills that would have increased staffing and fire resources after the Cedar Fire, at a cost of tens of millions of dollars. A fifth bill, signed by Schwarzenegger, requires local governments to first submit safety plans to the California Department of Forestry and will not take effect until 2010, the Los Angeles Times reported in a May 20, 2007 article titled “Fire danger acute as 2003 lessons fade.” 10/25 From Buzzflash.com:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5202

California Fires: What the Governor failed to mention is that he vetoed four bills that would have increased staffing and fire resources after the Cedar Fire, at a cost of tens of millions of dollars. A fifth bill, signed by Schwarzenegger, requires local governments to first submit safety plans to the California Department of Forestry and will not take effect until 2010, the Los Angeles Times reported in a May 20, 2007 article titled “Fire danger acute as 2003 lessons fade.” 10/25

]]> By: obrienr http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132108 obrienr Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:50:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132108 Beck and Malkin are correct; certain litigious "environmentalists" who do not understand forestry have prevented responsible thinning and controlled burns. Native Americans successfully used controlled burns to manage the forests long before anyone worried about anthropogenic global warming. Beck and Malkin are correct; certain litigious “environmentalists” who do not understand forestry have prevented responsible thinning and controlled burns. Native Americans successfully used controlled burns to manage the forests long before anyone worried about anthropogenic global warming.

]]> By: Bluestocking http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132086 Bluestocking Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:58:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132086 GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! Beck, are you listening?!? (Let the schmuck hemorrhage for all I care, although I frankly think he's so cold-blooded that it couldn't possibly shoot out of his eyes -- it's already frozen solid inside his veins. He was quite happy to sneer at all the people who've lost their homes to the wildfires -- so why should I offer him any charity when he never has any to offer other people? What goes around, comes around...) GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING!

Beck, are you listening?!? (Let the schmuck hemorrhage for all I care, although I frankly think he’s so cold-blooded that it couldn’t possibly shoot out of his eyes — it’s already frozen solid inside his veins. He was quite happy to sneer at all the people who’ve lost their homes to the wildfires — so why should I offer him any charity when he never has any to offer other people? What goes around, comes around…)

GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING!

]]> By: NastyDiaper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-5/#comment-4132068 NastyDiaper Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:39:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132068 Beck should run for Governor of Georgia, buy a wheat farm in OK, and invest in Great lakes shipping companies. Dooit BEK! UBE be RICH and LUVED! Beck should run for Governor of Georgia, buy a wheat farm in OK, and invest in Great lakes shipping companies.

Dooit BEK! UBE be RICH and LUVED!

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4132066 toasterhead Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:37:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132066 <i>Try this one: Panel of Broadcast Meteorologists Reject Man-Made Global Warming Fears- Claim 95% of Weathermen Skeptical. http://epw.senate.gov/ public/ index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=CC160863-802A-23AD-4B10-571FFE8F3B76 Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm</i> A panel of TV Weathermen? People who read a teleprompter in front of a Chroma-Key bluescreen? WOW! Now THAT's a scientific source I can trust! I mean, sure, they can't tell me with any degree of accuracy whether it's going to rain tomorrow, but I'll trust them for the most important policy decisions of the 21st century! Try this one: Panel of Broadcast Meteorologists Reject Man-Made Global Warming Fears- Claim 95% of Weathermen Skeptical. http://epw.senate.gov/ public/ index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=CC160863-802A-23AD-4B10-571FFE8F3B76

Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm

A panel of TV Weathermen? People who read a teleprompter in front of a Chroma-Key bluescreen? WOW! Now THAT’s a scientific source I can trust! I mean, sure, they can’t tell me with any degree of accuracy whether it’s going to rain tomorrow, but I’ll trust them for the most important policy decisions of the 21st century!

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4132048 Merlin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:27:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132048 #188 Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 9:07 pm <em>You can’t look at the economic cost without looking at the offsetting economic benefit. How much of the supposed 2.4 trillion has been poured into the U.S. Economy? How many jobs have been created? How much has been paid back in tax dollars? Until you know the answers to these questions, talking only about “cost” is meaningless.</em> So that is your idea of jacking up the economy then? Illegally invade and occupy a country in order have money "poured into the U.S. Economy?" Bomb and kill the country's civilians and figure the cost benefits to the U.S. You are a whack job if you think this way. And if you don't, you are simply a troll with nothing but programmed rubbish coming out of your mouth. #188 Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

You can’t look at the economic cost without looking at the offsetting economic benefit. How much of the supposed 2.4 trillion has been poured into the U.S. Economy? How many jobs have been created? How much has been paid back in tax dollars? Until you know the answers to these questions, talking only about “cost” is meaningless.

So that is your idea of jacking up the economy then? Illegally invade and occupy a country in order have money “poured into the U.S. Economy?” Bomb and kill the country’s civilians and figure the cost benefits to the U.S. You are a whack job if you think this way. And if you don’t, you are simply a troll with nothing but programmed rubbish coming out of your mouth.

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4132016 Merlin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:14:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132016 OK still no links. just go here Wilcox http://www.lairdwilcox.com/news/defame.html Digby http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/art_hissy_fit OK still no links. just go here

Wilcox
http://www.lairdwilcox.com/news/defame.html

Digby
http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/art_hissy_fit

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4132015 Merlin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:12:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132015 This goes with post #192 TP did not accept my links. Here they are. Link to Laird Wilcox article: <a href="http://www.lairdwilcox.com/news/defame.html" rel="nofollow"> Link to Digby: </a><a href="http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/art_hissy_fit" rel="nofollow"></a> This goes with post #192

TP did not accept my links. Here they are.

Link to Laird Wilcox article:

Link to Digby:

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4132002 Merlin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:08:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4132002 If anyone wants to know what drives the Becks, O'lielys, Limpballs and their ilk to say the insane things they do, read the article by Laird Wilcox called: <em>The Practice of Ritual Defamation How values, opinions and beliefs are controlled in democratic societies.</em> <a href="http://www.lairdwilcox.com/news/defame.html" rel="nofollow"> In it he states: "It’s important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. <strong>Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends.</strong> On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use." Beck does this here by attempting to intimidate and destroy environmentalists. This is a Republic technique going back to the 1980s. Recall what Bush did to McCain in 1999, the destruction of Max Cleland in 2002 and John Kerry in 2004. With Kerry it developed the name, Swiftboating. But these obvious examples are just the tip of the iceberg. Rupublics use this kind of tactic constantly. Anybody who disagrees with them lacks patriotism, is a trator or is loony to believe what they do. So what they say is not insane, nor are they stupid. It is a tactic that is used purposefully. It is the "means" to their ends. Sadly, it has worked very well for Lee Atwater and Rove. We Democrats need to stop complaining about Glen, Bill and Rush etc. as if they are the problem. (Like getting rid of them is the solution. Stepping on ants does nothing to the nest!) They are but mercenaries using a proven tactic in support of their "betters." We need to have the balls to stand up to them and reject their manipulation, as well as go on the attack against their "betters", also known as BushCo. Now if the Dems in Congress would do that!... Digby has more about the article here: </a><a href="http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/art_hissy_fit" rel="nofollow"> Enjoy!</a> If anyone wants to know what drives the Becks, O’lielys, Limpballs and their ilk to say the insane things they do, read the article by Laird Wilcox called:

The Practice of Ritual Defamation

How values, opinions and beliefs are
controlled in democratic societies.

In it he states:
“It’s important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use.”

Beck does this here by attempting to intimidate and destroy environmentalists. This is a Republic technique going back to the 1980s. Recall what Bush did to McCain in 1999, the destruction of Max Cleland in 2002 and John Kerry in 2004. With Kerry it developed the name, Swiftboating. But these obvious examples are just the tip of the iceberg. Rupublics use this kind of tactic constantly. Anybody who disagrees with them lacks patriotism, is a trator or is loony to believe what they do.
So what they say is not insane, nor are they stupid. It is a tactic that is used purposefully. It is the “means” to their ends. Sadly, it has worked very well for Lee Atwater and Rove.

We Democrats need to stop complaining about Glen, Bill and Rush etc. as if they are the problem. (Like getting rid of them is the solution. Stepping on ants does nothing to the nest!) They are but mercenaries using a proven tactic in support of their “betters.” We need to have the balls to stand up to them and reject their manipulation, as well as go on the attack against their “betters”, also known as BushCo. Now if the Dems in Congress would do that!…

Digby has more about the article here:

Enjoy!

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4131988 dbadass Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:59:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4131988 TCDon: It is pronounced dbadass. And if your prediction doesn't stand, will crow be eaten? TCDon:
It is pronounced dbadass. And if your prediction doesn’t stand, will crow be eaten?

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4131888 dbadass Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:57:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4131888 Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 8:55 pm Didn't you make a very similar claim earlier. Is this rehashed I need attention crap? Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 8:55 pm

Didn’t you make a very similar claim earlier. Is this rehashed I need attention crap?

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4131853 tombaker Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:39:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4131853 where can i find out about what even more idiots think of the fires and global warming, glennnnnn? where can i find out about what even more idiots think of the fires and global warming, glennnnnn?

]]> By: foolme1ns http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/comment-page-4/#comment-4131831 foolme1ns Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:23:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/beck-wildfires/#comment-4131831 Oh please allow me. GLOBAL WARMING. GLOBAL WARMING. GLOBAL WARMING!!!! Tell me when the blood starts pumping out of his eyes please. Oh please allow me. GLOBAL WARMING. GLOBAL WARMING. GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

Tell me when the blood starts pumping out of his eyes please.

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