Bush Budget Request Raises Fears Of Iran Strike, Increases Funding For ‘Massive’ ‘Bunker Buster’
Bush Budget Request Raises Fears Of Iran Strike, Increases Funding For ‘Massive’ ‘Bunker Buster’
In light of the administration’s increasingly threatening rhetoric on Iran, CQ reports that members of Congress are worried by Bush’s recent budget proposal. In particular, they cite his request to equip B-2 “stealth” bombers with a new 30,000-pound bunker buster as a “sign of plans for an attack on Iran“:
Buried in the $196.4 billion supplemental war spending proposal that Bush submitted to Congress on Oct. 22 is a request for $88 million to modify B-2 bombers so they can drop a Massive Ordnance Penetrator, or MOP, a conventional bomb still in development that is the most powerful weapon designed to destroy targets deep underground.
A White House summary accompanying the supplemental spending proposal said the request for money to modify ÂB-2s to carry the bombs came in response to “an urgent operational need from theater commanders.” […]
Previous statements by the Defense Department and the program’s contractors, along with interviews with military experts, suggest the weapon is meant for the kind of hardened targets found chiefly in Iran.
The B-2 bomber and MOPs are reportedly choice weapons for strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. In January, the BBC reported that the administration had drawn up plans for “long range B2 stealth bombers” to “drop ‘bunker-busting‘ bombs” in an effort to penetrate, for example, the Natanz enrichment facility in Iran.
The MOP has been in development for several years. After its completion, a U.S. military officer proudly described the destructive power of the bunker buster, specifically saying it could be used against Iran:
The U.S. has a 14-ton super bomb more destructive than the vacuum bomb just tested by Russia, a U.S. general said Wednesday.
The statement was made by retired Lt. General McInerney, chairman of the Iran Policy Committee, and former Assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the Air Force.
McInerney said the U.S. has “a new massive ordnance penetrator that’s 30,000 pounds, that really penetrates … Ahmadinejad has nothing in Iran that we can’t penetrate.”
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Damned war pig mongers.
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October 24th, 2007 at 2:09 pmHuh.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCheney likes to hang in bunkers…..
And so it begins
When the cockroaches write the history of the earth, they’ll point to this time period as the downfall of the hairless apes
October 24th, 2007 at 2:12 pmRaynman: You said it! And the cockroaches will be the only ones left once we all decimate each other.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pmAnd if those cockroaches in congress approve this budget increase they should all be condemned along with Bush and Cheney.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:17 pm“When the cockroaches write the history of the earth, they’ll point to this time period as the downfall of the hairless apes”
Comment by raynman — October 24, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
…or some poor lone survivor pounding his fists into the sand screaming, “Oh my god…they finally did it. You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! God damn you all to Hell!”
October 24th, 2007 at 2:18 pmIt is amazing that Bush squandered the opportunity to aid the reform party in Iran in the aftermath of 9/11. The Iranians were forced to assist the US which was seen a victim of an unjustified attack. The majority of the Iran’s citizens supported our position. Look at what Bush could do in a few months by calling them a part of the axis of evil. Look at what Bush could do by leading an invasion into Iraq that without true international support. Now look at the president of Iran. Now look at how it increased attempts to gain nuclear weapons. We live in a dangerous world made all the more dangerous by an incompetent fool as president. GOD HELP OUR SOLDIERS WHO WILL DIE SHOULD BUSH GO THROUGH WITH HIS STUPID ATTACKS ON IRAN,.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:21 pmThey want more money for special bombs because of “an urgent operational need from theater commanders.” So, getting the troops body armor wasn’t an urgent need?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:21 pmSCHIP
October 24th, 2007 at 2:24 pmMassive Ordnance Penetrator - - Another gay porn movie title, along with GAYTANAMO.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“an urgent operational need from theater commanders.†[…]
The theater commanders in this case being the head playwrights of the Bush/Cheney Guns and Grease Theater Co.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:26 pmTime to leave. If this happens, you can fully expect Russia to re-aim their long-range missles BACK at the U.S. Back in 2003, shortly before we invaded Iraq, but when we knew it was going to happen, I drew a bullseye on a map of the U.S. I had on my office wall.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhen the cockroaches write the history of the earth, they’ll point to this time period as the downfall of the hairless apes
Comment by raynman — October 24, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
Actually, the cockroaches will be gone soon after we do, according to Alan Weisman’s “The World Without Us.” They’re a tropical species that can’t survive temperate winters without our heated homes and office buildings.
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October 24th, 2007 at 2:31 pmYou’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.†Until then, we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and pretend that if we just appease them, all will be o.k.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
But Iran has never claimed they wanted to do that, that was a distorted claim by AIPAC Israeli extremists. You zionists should stop acting like Hitler, before you start invoking Chamberlain for your excuses! It makes you look stupid!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pmYou’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.†Until then, we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and pretend that if we just appease them, all will be o.k.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Works for me. That’ll take a long time, since they are not planning to wipe Israel off the map.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pmAfter the “newcular” anhialation of the planet, Cheney steps out of his man-sizedsafe that he had previously had secreted out of the White House to an undisclosed bunker to finally claim his place as ruler of the planet over all of his cockroach minions. After neatly stacking up printouts of all the illegal e-mails obtained through his immoral domestic spying program for his twisted voyeristic fancies, he bends over to pick up his favorite coffee mug that he fashioned from the skull of Hillary Clinton. His glasses fall off his head seemingly in slow motion and crack into an irreparable number of pieces. for probably the first time in his life, he breaks down and sobs like a child, “it isn’t fair…it just isn’t fair..there was finally time now…”. It’s then that he realizes through his suicidal teary haze that he has misplaced his shotgun and without his glasses will be cursed to spend the rest of his days trying to convince his Clintonskull mug that he used to run the most powerful nation in the world. After a few minutes he regains his composure enough to skullf@ck his coffee mug while screaming out for no one to hear, “I still got it, baby!”
October 24th, 2007 at 2:34 pm…MOP, a conventional bomb still in development…
…a conventional bomb still in development…
…still in development…
PRE-pay-go…
October 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pm…
You’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.â€
saudi arabia told me to tell you to stop ignoring them.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pmSo TCDon and Billy Hill, if it’s wrong for Iran to want to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ (even though they never said this), why isn’t it wrong for you wingnuts to want to wipe Iran off the map? You don’t notice the hypocrisy? Or are you completely stupid?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:38 pmEven though I dislike Fareed Zakaria, he makes some great points in this article
http://www.newsweek.com/id/57346
“Here is the reality. Iran has an economy the size of Finland’s and an annual defense budget of around $4.8 billion. It has not invaded a country since the late 18th century. The United States has a GDP that is 68 times larger and defense expenditures that are 110 times greater. Israel and every Arab country (except Syria and Iraq) are quietly or actively allied against Iran. And yet we are to believe that Tehran is about to overturn the international system and replace it with an Islamo-fascist order? What planet are we on?”
‘Nuff said.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:39 pmLook for Valerie Plame to disappear, she will be working with the Iranians this time in her full capacity as a super spy.Comment by Billy Hill — October 24, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
You’ve confused Plame with Ali Mohamed, the GOP connected CIA agent that trained the first WTC Bombers, the Embassy Bombers and the man that set up the Afghan training camps that trained the 911 bombers! Sorry wingnut, but HISTORY shows it’s you WINGNUTS that are tied to the terrorists - even if your delusional state prohibits you from admitting your OWN terrorist sympathies! After all, just look at this smear! The person who was RESPONSIBLE for protecting the US from Iran’s Nuclear ambitions (Plame) your own GOP disabled her and her entire program! Why? Because you’re PRO TERRORIST by nature!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:40 pmYou’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.â€
Comment by TCDon
Funny. So far I dont see Israel with military defense problems.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:40 pmMaybe they’ll slip and drop it on Cheney’s bunker.
OR the White House.
That would be terrible…
Of course, Bush and Cheney would go DIRECTLY to hell, without passing Paraguay, and they wouldn’t collect their $200 Million.
Deathopoly!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:41 pmYou’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.â€
Comment by TCDon
Funny. So far I dont see Israel with military defense problems.
Comment by Juan C. — October 24, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Does anyone believe that if Iran attacked Israel with Nukes, that Israel’s Navy wouldn’t attack every Muslim capital in the world? Sorry, but only AIPAC Zionist Wierdos like TCDon are stupid enough to believe this propaganda sh!t!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pm“You don’t notice the hypocrisy? Or are you completely stupid?
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007″
yes.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:43 pmThis work actually started back in June when Northrop Grumman started to outfit the B2 bombers under a seven-month, $2.5 million contract awarded June 1 by the Air Force’s Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright Patterson AFB, Ohio.
Wonder how easy it would be to replace the 5,300 pounds of conventional explosives with nukes?
MOP = Massive Obliteration of People
October 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pmComment by republicans hate facts
Complete idiocy, I agree. Countries (except the US) build nukes in order to NOT USE THEM.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pmSo TCDon and Billy Hill, if it’s wrong for Iran to want to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ (even though they never said this), why isn’t it wrong for you wingnuts to want to wipe Iran off the map? You don’t notice the hypocrisy? Or are you completely stupid?
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
They don’t want to wipe Iran off the map. There are far too many untapped petroleum deposits there. They just want a regime change to a U.S.-friendly despot who will sign all of Iran’s oilfields over to western companies. Cause it’s worked out so well the last few times they’ve done it.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pmYou’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.†Until then, we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and pretend that if we just appease them, all will be o.k.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Where did you get that information? Same place you get your global warming scientific facts: The Schnitt Show.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYou don’t notice the hypocrisy? Or are you completely stupid?
Comment by republicans hate facts
Neanderthugs cannot think outside of Repukian propaganda and logic is not their strong point either.
I would guess they are Completely Stupid & Fascist Brownshirt Lockstep Lemming Subhuman Scum.
Buck Fush
October 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pm“They don’t want to wipe Iran off the map. There are far too many untapped petroleum deposits there. They just want a regime change to a U.S.-friendly despot who will sign all of Iran’s oilfields over to western companies.”
[and then roger_roger’s cover was blown]
October 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by republicans hate facts
Complete idiocy, I agree. Countries (except the US) build nukes in order to NOT USE THEM.
Comment by Juan C. — October 24, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
Countries don’t use nukes for the same reason we don’t - the enemy might use them back! It’s called a ‘deterrent’, and it’s the reason we negotiated with N. Korea instead of attacking them! They understood this, and so does Iran. The problem is that countries like Israel and the US don’t really want to negotiate in good faith, we prefer to ‘dictate’ to others how it’s gonna be.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:48 pmNeanderthugs cannot think outside of Repukian propaganda and logic is not their strong point either.
Comment by Buckie Boy
Hey, wait. After the WMDs were found in Iraq, they have more credibility, remember?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:48 pmHuh.
Cheney likes to hang in bunkers…..
Comment by Nevar — October 24, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Well, since the penalty for TREASON against the USA in a time of “war” is HANGING, it seems as good a place as any…
October 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWow what a surprise.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pmScarlett O’Hara Americans will think about it tomorrow.
Well, since the penalty for TREASON against the USA in a time of “war†is HANGING, it seems as good a place as any…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — October 24, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Well, not really. Bunkers tend to have very low ceilings.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThe problem is that countries like Israel and the US don’t really want to negotiate in good faith, we prefer to ‘dictate’ to others how it’s gonna be.
Comment by republicans hate facts
The sad thing is that troll scums need war to fulfill their pathetic lives.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pmWhat’s scary is that these dudes are the leaders of this country. And they believe in what they say!!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThey don’t want to wipe Iran off the map. There are far too many untapped petroleum deposits there. They just want a regime change to a U.S.-friendly despot who will sign all of Iran’s oilfields over to western companies. Cause it’s worked out so well the last few times they’ve done it.
Comment by toasterhead — October 24, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
That’s all true. However if Iran or some other Muslim country nuked Israel (they most likely wouldn’t because it would kill as many Palestinian Muslims as Jews), Israel would most certainly poison the well for the Arab world and do their best to destroy those oil resources out of spite. Anyone that doesn’t believe that, hasn’t been paying attention to the hardliners in Israel! And Iran knows that as well. The Muslim countries have all had to deal with The Mosad and they know full well the stakes they’re playing with. They also know the US and Israel will attack any country they believe they can bully, but are afraid to attack any country that can bloody their nose back!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:52 pmToast, either that last bong hit was a doosie or you are working for the Islamic Republic of Iran Army department of interior OR your just an average Democrat Progressive with the usual set of delusions …..do you have the capacity to distinguish which it might be?
http://english.aljazeera.net/ English/ archive/ archive?ArchiveId=15816
Comment by Billy Hill — October 24, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
I guess you didn’t notice the irony of YOU being the one familiar with and referencing aljazeera? Hysterical!!!!!
Now, what about a gay hating, woman hating, oppressive religious society is ‘liberal’ again? Sorry, wingnut, but Islamic Radical Iran is just another way of saying GOP LIKE!
October 24th, 2007 at 2:54 pmComment by Billy Hill
Yawn. It’s been debunked.
Besides when do you read the “enemy news”. Remember that Al-Jazeera was the media arm of Al-Qaeda or some sort of stupidity that trolls say?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pmIt is WELL-known that if we attack Iran, the Shiites, who have been relatively quiet in Iraq, will move to SLAUGHTER all of the US soldiers
and mercenaries in Iraq.
May God have mercy on the souls of the soldiers.
The mercenaries DESERVE it, being the scum they are…
October 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pmToast, either that last bong hit was a doosie or you are working for the Islamic Republic of Iran Army department of interior OR your just an average Democrat Progressive with the usual set of delusions …..do you have the capacity to distinguish which it might be?
Comment by Billy Hill — October 24, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Or (D) None of the above, since Ahmedinejad never made that statement. In fact, the idiom “wipe off the map” doesn’t exist in Farsi.
http://www.juancole.com/ 2006/ 05/ hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html
October 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pmYou sure like to throw out your references to drug use, don’t you Silly Billy!
We never did understand you yesterday, were you smoking the alder leaves, or smoking the salmon as you stood in the burning alder leaves?
How do you catch your salmon?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:57 pmMy guess is you drive your 35 year old Dodge, towing your house, from fish ladder to fish ladder on the Columbia, camping for free on public lands, and fishing out the dead ones from the spillway.
Hey Hill Billy, better be careful because if your neighbors at the trailer park see yo reading al Jazeera there’s going to be a noose waiting alongside your pick up truck.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pmStriking Iran is a logical thing to do when compared to the alternative of a slow build up towards conflict. That country is not going to change overnight or over time. We may adopt a diplomatic and carrot centric policy towards them, but their anger at our policies (rightly or wrongly) will not die down. Given that reality, being decisive equates to being smart. Bomb Iran, and destroy all significant military capabilities within the nation. Then, be prepared to defend it and our interests within it, if it is attacked.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pmComment by Billy Hill
Yawn. It’s been debunked.
Besides when do you read the “enemy newsâ€. Remember that Al-Jazeera was the media arm of Al-Qaeda or some sort of stupidity that trolls say?
Comment by Juan C. — October 24, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Don’t confuse Hill Billy Juan, debunked is the game he plays with his sister. Hill Billy, debunked means it’s been proven FALSE.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pmOn June 20, 2007 the United States House of Representatives passed Concurrent Resolution 21, a resolution that pressures the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his call for Israel to be “wiped off the mapâ€. The vote was 411-2. http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ bill.xpd?bill=hc110-21#votes
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Hey, no one said the guy was a nice man, in fact, he sounds JUST LIKE YOU - EXTREMIST FOOL! He thinks there was no Holocaust, and there are no Gay people in Iran - he sounds like yet another GOP LIKE religious wingnut!
But that doesn’t change the fact that he never said Israel should “wiped off the map”, he said the “government” and “nation”, not it’s people. Sorry, but translations are tricky business, especially when you have an extremist wingnut (like you) that wants to propagandize everything!
I don’t doubt he would like to kill Israelis, just like I have no doubt that if you asked most rightwing Israelis if they wanted to wipe out all Muslim countries - they might say yes. In fact, Israel is the one TALKING ABOUT ATTACKING IRAN, not the other way around! So your EXTREMISM is HYSTERICAL as usual!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pmAnd Iran knows that as well. The Muslim countries have all had to deal with The Mosad and they know full well the stakes they’re playing with. They also know the US and Israel will attack any country they believe they can bully, but are afraid to attack any country that can bloody their nose back!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
I’d even go a step farther and add that Ahmedinejad and the mullahs in power in Iran NEED Israel as a boogeyman. How else can they distract the Iranian people from the real economic problems facing the country? Israel is much more useful to Iran’s rulers as a Zionist enemy to be perpetually feared than as an actual target.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:01 pmComment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
TCDonkey, he also said the Holocaust never happened but he couldn’t make that so either.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:01 pmSo TCDon, if you’re for governments following UN rules, why hasn’t Israel followed all of the UN resolutions against it? Huh?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:02 pmHow do you catch your salmon?
My guess is you drive your 35 year old Dodge, towing your house, from fish ladder to fish ladder on the Columbia, camping for free on public lands, and fishing out the dead ones from the spillway.
Comment by Nevar — October 24, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Where Hill Billy comes from they fish with dynamite.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:02 pmOn June 20, 2007 the United States House of Representatives passed Concurrent Resolution 21, a resolution that pressures the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his call for Israel to be “wiped off the mapâ€. The vote was 411-2. http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ bill.xpd?bill=hc110-21#votes
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Thank you very much for this reminder of how strong the pro-Israel lobby is in Washington. You are SO right.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pm“…their anger at our policies (rightly or wrongly) will not die down. Given that reality, being decisive equates to being smart. Bomb Iran…”
bombing a country because they don’t like our policies? how stupid are you? seriously, are you 14 years old?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pmWhen we do anything to Iran, look for Russia and China (and about a billion muslims) to back up Iran. China lends the US billions and billions of dollars every week - just so we can pay our bills. Think about that: What would happen if China just said no. We are going to invest in another instrument, not US securities. How can we pay our daily - and I mean daily -bills without the extra capital we borrow?
If you have government pensions, forget about them. If your parents get government pensions, they will have to live with you. How about medicare and social security? They will have to be “suspended” until the US can get liquid again. How about our national debt? We pay more in interest, than we do the entire defense budget. How is it going to be when the other creditor nations decide we are not a good credit risk? How many taxes will need to be raised just to pay for our necessities (defense and salaries for the executive branch)? Congress? What congress? Anyone who counts on a government - or government sponsored benefit - can forget about that check arriving in the mail.
How about the $100-$250 a barrel spike in oil prices? Can you afford to pay $10.00 - $25.00 a gallon for gas? Could you get to work? How about the prices going up for those items that are trucked into your local store?
This isn’t some economics exercise. It is real and once it occurs, there is no “changing the channel”. It will be hell, and it will be here.
So for all the jingo and sabre rattling, it is clear ANY unilateral effort by the US will begin the downfall of our economy and our ability to defend ourselves around the globe. It takes money to run an empire.
Surely we, as a citizenry, won’t allow that to happen, will we? Well. Will we? Is it ok to hit Iran (but not weaken it) as a balance for our country being ruined financially? Your thoughts are appreciated.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI would gladly approve the $88 million request if GDumbya and Darth Cheney would agree to ride the first two MOPs to ground when they are dropped on Iran’s nukular reactors.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI’d even go a step farther and add that Ahmedinejad and the mullahs in power in Iran NEED Israel as a boogeyman. How else can they distract the Iranian people from the real economic problems facing the country? Israel is much more useful to Iran’s rulers as a Zionist enemy to be perpetually feared than as an actual target.
Comment by toasterhead — October 24, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Absolutely true! It’s no different than our Christo/JudeoFascists in this country using ‘Terrorism’ to keep idiots like TCDon from paying attention to all of their stupidness! Like poor dumb little TCDon was whining about 500 million in Earmarks (a drop in the bucket when you consider the last 6 years of GOP pork), while ignoring the HALF TRILLION DOLLARS spent on a folly in Iraq!
It doesn’t matter to the distracted idiots in Iran or the US that want to believe in the bogeyman instead of dealing with the idiots that lead them around by the nose!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:04 pmWhere Hill Billy comes from they fish with dynamite.
Comment by Shayne
I’m sure, I just didn’t want to give him any ideas.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pmBomb Iran, and destroy all significant military capabilities within the nation. Then, be prepared to defend it and our interests within it, if it is attacked.
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
So you support abortion, right?
Because by your logic, any unborn child could potentially grow up to be the next serial killer, terrorist, gay wizard, or other inherently evil figure. Abortion is just a preventative strike against evil, right?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pm411-2, Shayne, et al. You’re not even an 11%er on this one. You are a 0.48%er.
http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ bill.xpd?bill=hc110-21#votes
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Yeah, yeah. If we bombed a country everytime a leader said something stupid we’d be bombing ourselves at least twice a week.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pmToasterhead,
I support abortion, if you can prove to me that the child will indeed develop into evil. If not, I believe in giving it a chance.
Thank you
October 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pmHits
Maybe Adm. Mullen can help make sense of this…
“If our military leaders are currently preparing plans that are even remotely comparable to what is beicccng called World War III, they should testify before Congress and the people about exactly what resources they need today and will need tomorrow if America initiates yet another war at this “dangerous moment.”
October 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pmhttp://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/102307a.html
Striking Iran is a logical thing to do when compared to the alternative of a slow build up towards conflict. That country is not going to change overnight or over time. We may adopt a diplomatic and carrot centric policy towards them, but their anger at our policies (rightly or wrongly) will not die down. Given that reality, being decisive equates to being smart. Bomb Iran, and destroy all significant military capabilities within the nation. Then, be prepared to defend it and our interests within it, if it is attacked.
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Again, the Iranians will NOT sit idly by, and neither will their Shiite brethren in Iraq, who will SLAUGHTER the US troops and mercenaries.
Again, may God have mercy on the souls of the duped soldiers.
The mercenaries DESERVE everything that they will get.
Logic begets logic…
October 24th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWhere Hill Billy comes from they fish with dynamite.
Comment by Shayne
I’m sure, I just didn’t want to give him any ideas.
Comment by Nevar — October 24, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Gotta use dynamite because trot lines became too much work.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI support abortion, if you can prove to me that the child will indeed develop into evil. If not, I believe in giving it a chance.
Thank you
Hits
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
And yet you don’t need proof before killing thousands of people in Iran?
You have a very interesting sense of morality indeed!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:11 pmWell plunger I’d say Diane Feinstein and Lieberman are two of the first to be blackmailed.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:12 pmGuys - it’s too late for Iran.
They have stopped using the dollar as the currency of choice for their oil, (several links off Buzzflash) and the Busheviks just *can’t* let that happen.
Saddam threatened to sell his oil for Euros - and look what happened to him…
I’m betting the bombers are already on their way to Tehran.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWrong! My closest neighbor is 1/2 half mile away…..behind a row of trees he planted………he raises sheep…………and wares cowboy boots all of the time??????
Comment by Billy Hill — October 24, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Is his trailer bigger than yours? Which one of you grows the pot, and which one of you makes the meth?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:17 pmand wares cowboy boots all of the time??????
Comment by Billy Hill — October 24, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
What do you mean ‘wares’? Do you mean ‘wears’?
And you wonder why people point out you’re trailer trash - santo?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:17 pmcharge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his call for Israel to be “wiped off the mapâ€. The vote was 411-2.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
And did the UN pass the resolution requested by the US House of Representatives? The answer is NO. You know why? Because, contrary to the US House, there are people at the UN who speak Farsi and know that Ahmadinejad never made that statement! So you don’t continue to make false accusations, please go to #44, click on the link and learn the facts.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:18 pmGee, Billy, why is it that all you Repukes spell so frikkin’ badly???
Is that the litmus test for being a good Republican?
Along with the bigotry, gay-bashing, Muslim-hating fundamentalist Christianity - of course.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:20 pmSaddam threatened to sell his oil for Euros - and look what happened to him…
I’m betting the bombers are already on their way to Tehran.
Comment by Leftside Annie
And that is what my rather large rant was (is) all about. If a few countries just changed how they held their reserves and how they invested in other securities and instruments, we could be doomed to bankruptcy.
I would like folks like Billy and TCDon to comment on this. Is it ok to ruin our country financially as a balance for unilaterally invading Iran? Since this thought requires some education and sensitivity to global realities, I would not expect them to offer much in the way of guidance. I imagine they are better suited for throwing rocks at blind kids.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:21 pm“………he raises sheep…………and wares cowboy boots all of the time….”
Comment by Billy Hill
Didn’t they make movie about your neck of the woods a year or so ago?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmToasterhead,
There is an important and substantial exception to morality. It is called survival - what you know as survival of the fittest.
Thanks
October 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pmHithesh
There is an important and substantial exception to morality. It is called survival - what you know as survival of the fittest.
Thanks
Hithesh
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Ah yes. Or as Jesus said, “might makes right.” Which parable was that again?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pm“There is an important and substantial exception to morality. It is called survival - what you know as survival of the fittest.”
yup. 14 years old.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:31 pmSorry, I have big hands and little time…………….
Comment by Billy Hill — October 24, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Big hands wouldn’t spell the WRONG WORD, but claiming it as an excuse would show your dishonesty, and lack of self esteem normally associated with the sort of petty, insecure and selfish little fool the GOP trolls tend to be.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmAwwww, now, Billy Hill - “big hands and little time”…that’s seriously LAME.
How about a little personal responsibility here??
October 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmbunker busters that were never tested in arizona or nevada, right?? great…another big ticket item that may (most likely NOT) or may not work.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:40 pmwhat you know as survival of the fittest.
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
You mean as in the mighty dinosaurs perished and the lowly mammals survived? I’d like to know how you explain that and how it relates to your attitude about the weakest amongst us. How about it hit?
October 24th, 2007 at 3:40 pmToasterhead,
There is an important and substantial exception to morality. It is called survival - what you know as survival of the fittest.
Thanks
Hithesh
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Yeah, right. It’s in the BIBLE, right???
Jesus said: “Love your enemy, but KILL him if you have to ’survive’”. RIGHT??
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pmYou losers,
October 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pm‘
We already have used Mob’s in Iraq and Afghan. Outfitting B-2 with them simply makes it safer to deploy them. IT PROTECTS THE TROOPS FLYING THEM INTO TERRORISTS.
Awwww, now, Billy Hill - “big hands and little timeâ€â€¦that’s seriously LAME.
How about a little personal responsibility here??
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 24, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Didn’t you know the GOP is the party of “DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO”? They want YOU to have personal responsibility, so they won’t have to have any!!!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmToasterhead,
There is an important and substantial exception to morality. It is called survival - what you know as survival of the fittest.
Thanks
Hithesh
Comment by hits — October 24, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Ironic how Extremist Republicans don’t believe in evolution, except for when it suits their anti-civil agenda!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmWe are such an arrogant nation. Who in the hell are we to tell any other country what they can or cannot have? Who are we to tell a country who they must choose as their next leader? Who are we to tell a country what their policies must be?
Quite frankly, if I lived in another country I would be laughing at the US for trying to tell my country what to do when the US has lost all credibility at this point.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmPlunger - as usual thanks for the info.
From what I know, the Rosen-Weissman A I P A C trial is now scheduled for Jan. 08? The most recent article on it that I could find had this little tidbit:
“Meanwhile, as the trial date was postponed yet again, the legal bills of the defendants have reached a record high. According to unofficial estimates within the defense team, both defendants have already incurred $7 million in legal fees a figure that might grow to $10 million by the time the case is over, making this trial one of the costliest in American history.
An agreement reached several months ago between Aipac and lawyers for Weissman ensures that the lobby will cover Weissman’s legal costs. A similar agreement is still being negotiated between Aipac and Rosen’s lawyers.”
http://www.forward.com/articles/11284/
October 24th, 2007 at 3:47 pmIronic how Extremist Republicans don’t believe in evolution, except for when it suits their anti-civil agenda!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
You’re so very right rhf. Darwinian economics is all they care about.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThe people who try to translate away what the Iranian President said are as bad as those who try to deny the Hollocaust. Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
The people who try to distort what the President said, are as bad as those who try to blame the Jews for the burning of the Reichstag to justify the Holocaust!
At least the U.S. Congress with their thousands of advisers and staffers understood what he said. Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
What a STUPID comment! They would have had to understand farsi for your statement to be true! All they understood was the propaganda that AIPAC sold them until the REAL translation came out. LIAR!
On June 20, 2007 the United States House of Representatives passed Concurrent Resolution 21, a resolution that pressures the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his call for Israel to be “wiped off the mapâ€. The vote was 411-2. http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ bill.xpd?bill=hc110-21#votes. But at least 0.48% apparantly agreed with you TPers.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Based on an incorrect translation.
Unfortunately for you THE FARSI was recorded, and people that speak farsi say YOU ARE A LIAR, as is you FUHRER IN CHIEF!
FASCIST LIAR!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pmTCDon, there are PLENTY of legitimate reasons to dislike the President of Iran!
Fabricating and then trying to propagate that fabrication JUST DISCREDITS YOU, and MAKES EVERYONE KNOW YOU’RE A FOOL!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmSorry, I have big hands and little time…………….
Comment by Billy Hill
I think he meant:
“Little in his hands, still hoping for a big time….”
October 24th, 2007 at 3:52 pmSorry, I have big hands and little time…………….
Comment by Billy Hill
I think he meant:
“Little in his hands, still hoping for a big time….â€
Comment by Nevar — October 24, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
No kidding! Big hands hit too many keys, not the WRONG keys - that’s what happens with little brains, and little education!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pmThe people who try to translate away what the Iranian President said are as bad as those who try to deny the Hollocaust. At least the U.S. Congress with their thousands of advisers and staffers understood what he said.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
This proves only that the pro-Israel lobby is much better at getting genocide resolutions passed than the pro-Armenia lobby. Better luck next time, Armenians!
October 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pmBy last count we have 21 B-2 bombers. The cost to hang a bomb from the belly of each of these planes is $4.2 million per plane????
October 24th, 2007 at 3:57 pmThere is something else here
There is something else here
Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Why do you say that? If I’m not mistaken, 21 x 4.2 = 88.2
October 24th, 2007 at 4:06 pmDoes anyone believe that if Iran attacked Israel with Nukes, that Israel’s Navy wouldn’t attack every Muslim capital in the world? Sorry, but only AIPAC Zionist Wierdos like TCDon are stupid enough to believe this propaganda sh!t!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Speaking of shit–keep posting shit, shithead.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:16 pmthe 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his call for Israel to be “wiped off the mapâ€. The vote was 411-2. http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ bill.xpd?bill=hc110-21#votes. But at least 0.48% apparantly agreed with you TPers.
Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
so your representatives are as easily led as you rightard morons? That’s no surprise, and it just means that the whole Congress has to be cleaned out of cowards and fools. 411 idiots will be voted out on their asses, gone forever, and we will be free. in the meantime, you’re as wrong as you can be, about everything you post. Sucks to be you.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThat’s ok, plunger - neither did Saddam - and that didn’t stop the neocon warmongers from attacking Iraq.
It won’t stop them from attacking Iran, either. Unfortunately.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:22 pmIntentions seem to be sufficient provocation for war in Chickenhawk World.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIs his trailer bigger than yours? Which one of you grows the pot, and which one of you makes the meth?
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
You forgot to ask him which one gathers ginsengto augment their public aid checks so they can buy cigarettes. There’s no trash like white trash.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:26 pmDoes anyone believe that if Iran attacked Israel with Nukes, that Israel’s Navy wouldn’t attack every Muslim capital in the world? Sorry, but only AIPAC Zionist Wierdos like TCDon are stupid enough to believe this propaganda sh!t!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Speaking of shit–keep posting shit, shithead.
Comment by Che — October 24, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Yes, you’re right on time, and your post does describe you, yourself, and your posts nicely! Thanks for summarizing you contribution!
October 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pmSome big Republican Hill Billy. Bragging that you get medical marijuana free from the state. Typical neocon hypocricy.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:51 pmSilly Billy is a fake.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThe only thing he has mastered is baiting.
Out west we do not do ginseng …….it is Cascara Bark we collect and dry and sell.
Comment by Billy Hill — October 24, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Otherwise known as METH!
October 24th, 2007 at 5:22 pmWhy do you say that? If I’m not mistaken, 21 x 4.2 = 88.2
Comment by foreyes — October 24, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Four eyes…
All i am saying is the price is wacky. The pay-load for the B-2 is 40,000 pounds
The MOP is 14 ton (28,000 pounds) $4.2 million to create a new rack?
If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
October 24th, 2007 at 5:34 pmAlso why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.
You’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.†Until then, we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and pretend that if we just appease them, all will be o.k.
Comment by TCDon
Sorry Loon Don, that canard has been dis-proven time and time again. The real translation of what he said was to wipe out the government and to be honest, I agree with them. It would be a better world if someone wiped out the bellicose idiots running Israel just as it would be a better world if someone wiped out the Bush Crime Family.
But even if he had said that, why should we start a war to stop someone from maybe doing something to Israel? Why should we expose our citizens to danger and possibly start WWIII for Israel? Please answer those questions honestly.
October 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pma 30,000 pound bomb???!!!???holy s**t!!!! - that is obscene
October 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pmBut even if he had said that, why should we start a war to stop someone from maybe doing something to Israel? Why should we expose our citizens to danger and possibly start WWIII for Israel? Please answer those questions honestly.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 24, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Broken record. This is not for Israel, DACS. This is for your masters in Saudi Arabia. Obviously their PR firms do a great job of influencing dumb asses. Damn you people are retarded.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:48 pmGood Catch.
On Monday a documents was sent to Congress asking for an additional $42.3 billion, bringing the Pentagon total to $189.3 billion. The Congress replied by saying we don’t need to discuss now since it is not needed until spring of 2008.
Do you believe the unanticipated increase of $42 billion in war funding for striking Iran?——-> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=789
October 24th, 2007 at 7:10 pmIf they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.
Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Now I understand, thank you for pointing it out.
October 24th, 2007 at 7:21 pmBroken record. This is not for Israel, DACS. This is for your masters in Saudi Arabia. Obviously their PR firms do a great job of influencing dumb asses. Damn you people are retarded.
Comment by Che — October 24, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Mossad/AIPAC Alert! Che, no matter how hard you try you’re not going to convince anyone that the Saudis are behind the plan to attack Iran and that Israel and the US will do the job for them. Saudi Arabia did not create the Neocons or the Christian Zionist movement, Israel did. Don’t try to divert us from the truth. You’re not smart enough
October 24th, 2007 at 7:31 pmBroken record. This is not for Israel, DACS. This is for your masters in Saudi Arabia. Obviously their PR firms do a great job of influencing dumb asses. Damn you people are retarded.
Comment by Che — October 24, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Projection from the RETARDED FASCISTS gets SO OLD! Talk about BROKEN RECORD, you WINGNUTS CAN’T SPIN ANYTHING BUT BROKEN RECORDS!!!
ZZZZzzzzzz….. BORING!!!!!
October 24th, 2007 at 8:18 pmIsrael has over 200 nuclear devices. Iran has zero. If Iran gets 2 nuclear devices (one to keep, one to give to terrorists, in your side’s scenario), then…
Then…?
Then what?
Then Israel loses one city, and Iran loses dozens of cities overnight. Iran is not that stupid. Iran would have to build up nuclear weapons enough to compete with Israel. And then…
Then…?
Then what?
Then, Mutually Assured Destruction grips the Middle East, and it becomes in all of their best interests to assure that all nuclear devices be carefully handled, lest one slip from their grip and spark an incident that turns the entire Middle East into a sheet of glass.
Right now, we have one state (Israel) who refuses to abide by international law with regards to nuclear devices. Yet, that state wants the rest of the world to aid it in preventing the other states in the region from having the same level of national defense. Right now, every nation except Israel in the Middle East is at (much) greater risk than the aforementioned state that defies international nuclear weapons standards and laws. Israel could overnight destroy every major city of every enemy it has in the region. No other state in the region can claim the same. Do you honestly wonder why the rest of the region is up in arms about the entire situation? Would you say the same were the situation reversed, and Iran is the one that has had 200+ nukes, and noone else the the region did, including Israel? No, it would be insisted that Israel be allowed to have such devices for the sake of its survival. The same level of survival that the Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Turks, and so one desire.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:40 pmIf they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.
Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Now I understand, thank you for pointing it out.
Four eyes. If you understand me….please explain me to my wife of 23 years
October 24th, 2007 at 9:50 pmi see - massive ordnance penetrators sounds all very well and rather sexy - so that means iran’s new-ku-lar facilites are underground?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:12 pmIf they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.
Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
good point pat - and what if one of these mops accidentally slips out of the f**king rack whilst in transit over a different country….dubbya better test the load first
October 24th, 2007 at 10:17 pmDesigning bombs…a noble use of time. When you look at Cheney and Bush they just look…well, like simple guys ya know. But deep down they’re complex and thoughtful and both of them have always wanted to be designers. Now, look at what they’re up to. They want to spend billions more on making war. While they let our country languish, they build bombs. Makes sense to me. How ’bout you. If our sick kids need help let ‘em eat cake, if our health system is broken screw it, Bush and Cheney have health programs provided by the very people they could give a shit less about. How about our Social Security contract. In 1961 I began paying in so I could have some little amount of security in the future. I have worked for 42 years and now I am reaping some of the benefit I paid for. My son who is 22 has not a prayer of benefitting from Social Security. What’s in the offing for him and young people like him? And they build bombs. They recruit kids and get them killed, they build bombs, they steal elections, they tap our phones and they are trying to destroy congress. I guess they figure they’ll need the bombs after they’ve torn everything down. Well they, Bush and Cheney, have a short time to make their bombs and if we are lucky, we’ll get out from under these fascist pricks before irreparable damage is done. But until then the beat goes on.
October 25th, 2007 at 5:11 amBush will order this strike against Iran before he leaves office, bet on it, because the war it provokes will enrich him and his friends for decades to come, at the expense of course of our families and our nation.
October 25th, 2007 at 7:25 amOur spineless Democrats won’t lift a damned finger to stop him, either, since they too will eat from the cake of death.
It brings such despair and disillusionment to so many….