Comments on: Bush Budget Request Raises Fears Of Iran Strike, Increases Funding For ‘Massive’ ‘Bunker Buster’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:14:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: StoneSoupStation http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4132222 StoneSoupStation Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:25:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4132222 Bush <i>will</i> order this strike against Iran before he leaves office, bet on it, because the war it provokes will enrich him and his friends for decades to come, at the expense of course of our families and our nation. Our spineless Democrats won't lift a damned finger to stop him, either, since they too will eat from the cake of death. It brings such despair and disillusionment to so many.... Bush will order this strike against Iran before he leaves office, bet on it, because the war it provokes will enrich him and his friends for decades to come, at the expense of course of our families and our nation.
Our spineless Democrats won’t lift a damned finger to stop him, either, since they too will eat from the cake of death.
It brings such despair and disillusionment to so many….

]]> By: williamf http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4132215 williamf Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:11:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4132215 Designing bombs...a noble use of time. When you look at Cheney and Bush they just look...well, like simple guys ya know. But deep down they're complex and thoughtful and both of them have always wanted to be designers. Now, look at what they're up to. They want to spend billions more on making war. While they let our country languish, they build bombs. Makes sense to me. How 'bout you. If our sick kids need help let 'em eat cake, if our health system is broken screw it, Bush and Cheney have health programs provided by the very people they could give a shit less about. How about our Social Security contract. In 1961 I began paying in so I could have some little amount of security in the future. I have worked for 42 years and now I am reaping some of the benefit I paid for. My son who is 22 has not a prayer of benefitting from Social Security. What's in the offing for him and young people like him? And they build bombs. They recruit kids and get them killed, they build bombs, they steal elections, they tap our phones and they are trying to destroy congress. I guess they figure they'll need the bombs after they've torn everything down. Well they, Bush and Cheney, have a short time to make their bombs and if we are lucky, we'll get out from under these fascist pricks before irreparable damage is done. But until then the beat goes on. Designing bombs…a noble use of time. When you look at Cheney and Bush they just look…well, like simple guys ya know. But deep down they’re complex and thoughtful and both of them have always wanted to be designers. Now, look at what they’re up to. They want to spend billions more on making war. While they let our country languish, they build bombs. Makes sense to me. How ’bout you. If our sick kids need help let ‘em eat cake, if our health system is broken screw it, Bush and Cheney have health programs provided by the very people they could give a shit less about. How about our Social Security contract. In 1961 I began paying in so I could have some little amount of security in the future. I have worked for 42 years and now I am reaping some of the benefit I paid for. My son who is 22 has not a prayer of benefitting from Social Security. What’s in the offing for him and young people like him? And they build bombs. They recruit kids and get them killed, they build bombs, they steal elections, they tap our phones and they are trying to destroy congress. I guess they figure they’ll need the bombs after they’ve torn everything down. Well they, Bush and Cheney, have a short time to make their bombs and if we are lucky, we’ll get out from under these fascist pricks before irreparable damage is done. But until then the beat goes on.

]]> By: shaun http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4132023 shaun Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:17:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4132023 If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go? Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into. Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm good point pat - and what if one of these mops accidentally slips out of the f**king rack whilst in transit over a different country....dubbya better test the load first If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.

Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

good point pat – and what if one of these mops accidentally slips out of the f**king rack whilst in transit over a different country….dubbya better test the load first

]]> By: shaun http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4132012 shaun Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:12:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4132012 i see - massive ordnance penetrators sounds all very well and rather sexy - so that means iran's new-ku-lar facilites are underground? i see – massive ordnance penetrators sounds all very well and rather sexy – so that means iran’s new-ku-lar facilites are underground?

]]> By: pat of wheaton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131977 pat of wheaton Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:50:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131977 If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go? Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into. Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm Now I understand, thank you for pointing it out. Four eyes. If you understand me....please explain me to my wife of 23 years If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.

Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

Now I understand, thank you for pointing it out.

Four eyes. If you understand me….please explain me to my wife of 23 years

]]> By: Moderation http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131954 Moderation Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:40:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131954 Israel has over 200 nuclear devices. Iran has zero. If Iran gets 2 nuclear devices (one to keep, one to give to terrorists, in your side's scenario), then... Then...? Then what? Then Israel loses one city, and Iran loses dozens of cities overnight. Iran is not that stupid. Iran would have to build up nuclear weapons enough to compete with Israel. And then... Then...? Then what? Then, Mutually Assured Destruction grips the Middle East, and it becomes in <strong>all</strong> of their best interests to assure that all nuclear devices be carefully handled, lest one slip from their grip and spark an incident that turns the entire Middle East into a sheet of glass. Right now, we have one state (Israel) who refuses to abide by international law with regards to nuclear devices. Yet, that state wants the rest of the world to aid it in preventing the other states in the region from having the same level of national defense. Right now, every nation except Israel in the Middle East is at (much) greater risk than the aforementioned state that defies international nuclear weapons standards and laws. Israel could overnight destroy every major city of every enemy it has in the region. No other state in the region can claim the same. Do you honestly wonder why the rest of the region is up in arms about the entire situation? Would you say the same were the situation reversed, and Iran is the one that has had 200+ nukes, and noone else the the region did, including Israel? No, it would be insisted that Israel be allowed to have such devices for the sake of its survival. The same level of survival that the Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Turks, and so one desire. Israel has over 200 nuclear devices. Iran has zero. If Iran gets 2 nuclear devices (one to keep, one to give to terrorists, in your side’s scenario), then…

Then…?

Then what?

Then Israel loses one city, and Iran loses dozens of cities overnight. Iran is not that stupid. Iran would have to build up nuclear weapons enough to compete with Israel. And then…

Then…?

Then what?

Then, Mutually Assured Destruction grips the Middle East, and it becomes in all of their best interests to assure that all nuclear devices be carefully handled, lest one slip from their grip and spark an incident that turns the entire Middle East into a sheet of glass.

Right now, we have one state (Israel) who refuses to abide by international law with regards to nuclear devices. Yet, that state wants the rest of the world to aid it in preventing the other states in the region from having the same level of national defense. Right now, every nation except Israel in the Middle East is at (much) greater risk than the aforementioned state that defies international nuclear weapons standards and laws. Israel could overnight destroy every major city of every enemy it has in the region. No other state in the region can claim the same. Do you honestly wonder why the rest of the region is up in arms about the entire situation? Would you say the same were the situation reversed, and Iran is the one that has had 200+ nukes, and noone else the the region did, including Israel? No, it would be insisted that Israel be allowed to have such devices for the sake of its survival. The same level of survival that the Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Turks, and so one desire.

]]> By: foreyes http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131774 foreyes Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:31:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131774 Broken record. This is not for Israel, DACS. This is for your masters in Saudi Arabia. Obviously their PR firms do a great job of influencing dumb asses. Damn you people are retarded. Comment by Che — October 24, 2007 @ 6:48 pm Mossad/AIPAC Alert! Che, no matter how hard you try you're not going to convince anyone that the Saudis are behind the plan to attack Iran and that Israel and the US will do the job for them. Saudi Arabia did not create the Neocons or the Christian Zionist movement, Israel did. Don't try to divert us from the truth. You're not smart enough Broken record. This is not for Israel, DACS. This is for your masters in Saudi Arabia. Obviously their PR firms do a great job of influencing dumb asses. Damn you people are retarded.

Comment by Che — October 24, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

Mossad/AIPAC Alert! Che, no matter how hard you try you’re not going to convince anyone that the Saudis are behind the plan to attack Iran and that Israel and the US will do the job for them. Saudi Arabia did not create the Neocons or the Christian Zionist movement, Israel did. Don’t try to divert us from the truth. You’re not smart enough

]]> By: foreyes http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131767 foreyes Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:21:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131767 If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go? Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into. Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm Now I understand, thank you for pointing it out. If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.

Comment by pat of wheaton — October 24, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

Now I understand, thank you for pointing it out.

]]> By: PollM http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131757 PollM Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:10:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131757 Good Catch. On Monday a documents was sent to Congress asking for an additional $42.3 billion, bringing the Pentagon total to $189.3 billion. The Congress replied by saying we don't need to discuss now since it is not needed until spring of 2008. Do you believe the unanticipated increase of $42 billion in war funding for striking Iran?-------> <a href="http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=789" rel="nofollow">http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=789 </a> Good Catch.

On Monday a documents was sent to Congress asking for an additional $42.3 billion, bringing the Pentagon total to $189.3 billion. The Congress replied by saying we don’t need to discuss now since it is not needed until spring of 2008.

Do you believe the unanticipated increase of $42 billion in war funding for striking Iran?——-> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=789

]]> By: Che http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131741 Che Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:48:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131741 But even if he had said that, why should we start a war to stop someone from maybe doing something to Israel? Why should we expose our citizens to danger and possibly start WWIII for Israel? Please answer those questions honestly. Comment by bilbobaggins — October 24, 2007 @ 5:58 pm Broken record. This is not for Israel, DACS. This is for your masters in Saudi Arabia. Obviously their PR firms do a great job of influencing dumb asses. Damn you people are retarded. But even if he had said that, why should we start a war to stop someone from maybe doing something to Israel? Why should we expose our citizens to danger and possibly start WWIII for Israel? Please answer those questions honestly.

Comment by bilbobaggins — October 24, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

Broken record. This is not for Israel, DACS. This is for your masters in Saudi Arabia. Obviously their PR firms do a great job of influencing dumb asses. Damn you people are retarded.

]]> By: shaun http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131735 shaun Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131735 a 30,000 pound bomb???!!!???holy s**t!!!! - that is obscene a 30,000 pound bomb???!!!???holy s**t!!!! – that is obscene

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131666 bilbobaggins Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:58:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131666 <em>You’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.” Until then, we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and pretend that if we just appease them, all will be o.k. Comment by TCDon</em> Sorry Loon Don, that canard has been dis-proven time and time again. The real translation of what he said was to wipe out the government and to be honest, I agree with them. It would be a better world if someone wiped out the bellicose idiots running Israel just as it would be a better world if someone wiped out the Bush Crime Family. But even if he had said that, why should we start a war to stop someone from maybe doing something to Israel? Why should we expose our citizens to danger and possibly start WWIII for Israel? Please answer those questions honestly. You’re right, we should just ignore Iran until after it “wipes Israel off the map.” Until then, we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and pretend that if we just appease them, all will be o.k.
Comment by TCDon

Sorry Loon Don, that canard has been dis-proven time and time again. The real translation of what he said was to wipe out the government and to be honest, I agree with them. It would be a better world if someone wiped out the bellicose idiots running Israel just as it would be a better world if someone wiped out the Bush Crime Family.

But even if he had said that, why should we start a war to stop someone from maybe doing something to Israel? Why should we expose our citizens to danger and possibly start WWIII for Israel? Please answer those questions honestly.

]]> By: pat of wheaton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131618 pat of wheaton Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:34:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131618 Why do you say that? If I’m not mistaken, 21 x 4.2 = 88.2 Comment by foreyes — October 24, 2007 @ 4:06 pm Four eyes... All i am saying is the price is wacky. The pay-load for the B-2 is 40,000 pounds The MOP is 14 ton (28,000 pounds) $4.2 million to create a new rack? If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go? Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don't have a plane that it can fit into. Why do you say that? If I’m not mistaken, 21 x 4.2 = 88.2

Comment by foreyes — October 24, 2007 @ 4:06 pm

Four eyes…

All i am saying is the price is wacky. The pay-load for the B-2 is 40,000 pounds
The MOP is 14 ton (28,000 pounds) $4.2 million to create a new rack?

If they can make the new rack or adapt an older rack for $100,000 where does the other $4.1M per plane go?
Also why the heck are we creating a bomb that we don’t have a plane that it can fit into.

]]> By: Nevar http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131524 Nevar Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:59:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131524 Silly Billy is a fake. The only thing he has mastered is baiting. Silly Billy is a fake.
The only thing he has mastered is baiting.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131503 Shayne Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:51:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131503 Some big Republican Hill Billy. Bragging that you get medical marijuana free from the state. Typical neocon hypocricy. Some big Republican Hill Billy. Bragging that you get medical marijuana free from the state. Typical neocon hypocricy.

]]> By: plunger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131448 plunger Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:27:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131448 Annie: That's true, but this time they'll have to contend with an entire US population who is on to their bullshit. They'll have to come up with a reason to declare martial law, or the barbarians will be at their gates - and even Martial Law may not prevent it. These selfish pigs would rather bring about the end of life on earth than accept their punishment for their crimes. Unfortunately, they're equipped and motivated to do precisely that. Annie:

That’s true, but this time they’ll have to contend with an entire US population who is on to their bullshit. They’ll have to come up with a reason to declare martial law, or the barbarians will be at their gates – and even Martial Law may not prevent it.

These selfish pigs would rather bring about the end of life on earth than accept their punishment for their crimes. Unfortunately, they’re equipped and motivated to do precisely that.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131446 Shayne Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:26:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131446 Is his trailer bigger than yours? Which one of you grows the pot, and which one of you makes the meth? Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 3:17 pm You forgot to ask him which one gathers ginsengto augment their public aid checks so they can buy cigarettes. There's no trash like white trash. Is his trailer bigger than yours? Which one of you grows the pot, and which one of you makes the meth?

Comment by republicans hate facts — October 24, 2007 @ 3:17 pm

You forgot to ask him which one gathers ginsengto augment their public aid checks so they can buy cigarettes. There’s no trash like white trash.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131441 Leftside Annie Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:23:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131441 Intentions seem to be sufficient provocation for war in Chickenhawk World. Intentions seem to be sufficient provocation for war in Chickenhawk World.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131439 Leftside Annie Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:22:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131439 That's ok, plunger - neither did Saddam - and that didn't stop the neocon warmongers from attacking Iraq. It won't stop them from attacking Iran, either. Unfortunately. That’s ok, plunger – neither did Saddam – and that didn’t stop the neocon warmongers from attacking Iraq.

It won’t stop them from attacking Iran, either. Unfortunately.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-iran/comment-page-3/#comment-4131438 Lefty Patriot Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:20:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/bush-budget-request-raises-fears-of-iran-strike-includes-massive-bunker-buster/#comment-4131438 the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his call for Israel to be “wiped off the map”. The vote was 411-2. http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ bill.xpd?bill=hc110-21#votes. But at least 0.48% apparantly agreed with you TPers. Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm so your representatives are as easily led as you rightard morons? That's no surprise, and it just means that the whole Congress has to be cleaned out of cowards and fools. 411 idiots will be voted out on their asses, gone forever, and we will be free. in the meantime, you're as wrong as you can be, about everything you post. Sucks to be you. the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his call for Israel to be “wiped off the map”. The vote was 411-2. http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ bill.xpd?bill=hc110-21#votes. But at least 0.48% apparantly agreed with you TPers.

Comment by TCDon — October 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

so your representatives are as easily led as you rightard morons? That’s no surprise, and it just means that the whole Congress has to be cleaned out of cowards and fools. 411 idiots will be voted out on their asses, gone forever, and we will be free. in the meantime, you’re as wrong as you can be, about everything you post. Sucks to be you.

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