Fox News: Al Qaeda is causing the CA wildfires.
Fox News: Al Qaeda is causing the CA wildfires.
This morning on Fox News, hosts of the show Fox and Friends blamed the wildfires in California on a new culprit: al Qaeda. They pointed to a 2003 FBI memo, which raised the possibility that al Qaeda may try to set wildfires around the western United States. They also noted that men in a “hovering helicopter” saw “a guy starting one of these fires.” Watch it:
Later in the segment, host Steve Doocy acknowledged that in memo, al Qaeda didn’t even mention California. “They mention Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming,” he added.
Transcript:
DOOCY: You’re looking live at pictures from San Diego — Santiago, CA, where the wildfires continue. We were talking earlier in today’s telecast with Adam Housley and apparently police officers in a hovering helicopter saw a guy starting one of these fires. And Allison Allison Camerota, an FBI memo from late in June of this year is popping up this morning and it is ominous.
CAMEROTA: This actually has happened for many years in the past as well. An FBI sent out to local law-enforcement said that an al Qaeda detainee had given them some information that the next wave of terrorism could be in the form of setting wild fires. Adam Housley said lots of people on his block were asking him about it. Obviously this is something the FBI has looked into. They will continue to investigate it.
CARLSON: If they have this person in custody it probably won’t take long to be able to develop a link if there is one.
KILMEADE: A June 25 memo from the FBI’s Denver offices reported three days ago, excuse me, five days ago, by the Arizona Republic, that is a newspaper, they have been carrying the story and they continue to expand upon it.
DOOCY: Brian, the plot they say, according to this detainee, and they don’t know if the detainee is telling the truth. The plot was to set three or four wildfires. But they don’t mention California. They mention Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming. We do know for a fact that a number of the fires in southern California are of a suspicious nature and they are investigating arson.
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alqaeda? try B L A C K W A T E R !
October 24th, 2007 at 9:48 amwell if it was alqaeda (laughable) then the whole "fighting them over there so we dont have to fight them here" has just been blown out of the water.....
it was blackwater who set the fires.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:50 amI suspect Glenn Beck may have...
October 24th, 2007 at 9:51 amWell, when you have no real news to report that supports your causes, why not just make it up? I can't believe anyone with an IQ above room temperature can actually watch this station.
"A hovering helicopter saw someone start a fire". Well, then, there you go. Proof positive. The grand old USA doesn't have any arsonists as it's citizens....no way Jose.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:52 amBWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought it was Bill Clinton!
Get your stories straight!
Please middle America - turn off the TV, walk outside - and get some exercise.
When you come back in the house - shoot your TV.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:52 amIf this is correct, I guess the trolls will have to stop saying their
October 24th, 2007 at 9:53 ammantra that there have been no attacks on American soil since 9/11.
Anything good that happens... Bush was responsible.
Anything bad, Al Qaeda (and sometimes Clinton) was responsible.
The Republican strategy for winning the 2008 Election in a nutshell.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:53 amIf this is correct,
Comment by dim wit — October 24, 2007 @ 9:53 am
If this is correct? IF? As if?
October 24th, 2007 at 9:54 amwhere is Republic of Stupidy ?
October 24th, 2007 at 9:57 am"“They mention Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming,†he added"
Hmmmm, wanna bet those red states listed above got a big pile of Homeland Security cash for 'Terrorist Fire Prevention'?
October 24th, 2007 at 9:59 amAnd our own government is NOT the enemy, regardless of how much the kook left would like to think it is.
state sponsored terrorism is still terrorism.... glad to know you are a card carrier for Dumb-fuk-istan....
how long have you been a citizen?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:03 amIt was clearly a Sasquatch who accidentally started the fires. They’re evolving and they’ve discovered how to create fire, but living in the woods and all, their new found skill got a bit out of control and started these massive fires. Someday soon, they’ll discover the wheel.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:03 amCertainly it could be terrorism... that possibility exists and will always exist. That's the brave new world that we live in and that Bush has exacerbated.
But, I refuse to run whining for momma Bush and climb under the terrorism blanket everytime something bad happens.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:03 amI'll follow up on my own comment :-)
"Because 40% of the money is divided equally among all states, the least populous state, Wyoming, gets the most money per capita: $35.31 per person in 2003. California gets the least: $4.68 per person. New York, the third-largest state, gets $5.05 per person; Ohio gets $5.59 per person."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-10-29-security-cover-usat_x.htm
October 24th, 2007 at 10:03 amAren't they arguing against themselves?
If we are fighting AQI (and supposedly victoriously eliminated them), so we don't have to fight them over here - then they have blown a hole in their own defense of the illegal war in Iraq.
There are no careless residents in California. There are no arsonists in America. There are no accidents of nature in California. Of course, according to Fox Noise, all the bad in the world is AQ and we had better be afraid, very afraid; so afraid that we rally around Buch/Cheney and keep the Repugnicans in power -- and Fox will report, we'll decide.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:04 amKILMEADE: A June 25 memo from the FBI’s Denver offices reported three days ago, excuse me, five days ago,
mmm....it's october,right?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:05 amO. Bigfoot - you are a great comic relief...
October 24th, 2007 at 10:07 amAh I always knew that there was something pernicious about the Santa Ana winds; and why is it that it is always World Series time when these fires occur? They hate our way of life.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:08 amThat’s quite a fantasyland you live in there, fella. Watch a lot of cartoons, do you?
(Pssst: Just a friendly hint: Yogi Bear wasn’t real. Bears don’t actually hold conversations with rangers.)
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:06 am
Oh shit! There's one here! Were you the one who started the fires?? Quite a discovery, that fire thing, eh?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:09 amfunny it shouldn't really matter who tried to start it as there wouldn't be the problem of out of control forest fires if we hadn't f'd up the climate in the first place.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:10 amQ: How do you give a Fox Opinion Channel anchor a chubby?
A: Mention Al-queda.
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Q: How do you make a Fox Opinion Channel anchor red faced with anger?
A: Mention Al Gore.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:11 amIf this is correct? IF? As if?
Comment by plunger — October 24, 2007 @ 9:54 am
No. Of course this is complete bullshit. There is a whole list of problems with this "news report"
1) Why did the police sit in their helicopter and just watch someone start a fire?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:12 am2) Was the arsonist wearing a sign that says "I belong to Al Qaeda" while he was setting the fire?
3) If the Fed's knew of this plot back in June, why didn't they do anything to prevent it? Why doesn't Fox report on the Bush Administration's willingness to allow this attack to take place?
Fires have been burning in the Callifornia hills for the last century. Take historic low waterfall, add in constant, high velocity dry winds and all it takes is one spark. These conditions happened, are happening and will continue to happen. Rather than grasp at the 'Oh My God, Al-Queda found the trail of breadcrumbs', lets take a deep breath and try to grasp this simple fact. This is a huge tragedy, obviously. Why warp in into another 9/11?? I know its a lot to ask, but can't people Think first instead of grasping at the Al-Queda straw???
October 24th, 2007 at 10:13 amImpeach Bush and Cheney and Save the Constitution.
...
in the meantime, what is bushco up to,
with all this wall-to-wall coverage of the fires?
that's what most worries me...
October 24th, 2007 at 10:13 am...
When these fires started, I saw lots of footage with sparks and flames burning off Power lines.
Anybody see those as well?
So what would be nice to blame some one else for the fires instead of those damn winds and problems with power lines.
And Faux will do it if anyone can!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:17 amO.Littlefoot set the fires, in order to further support his strawman arguments.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:18 amo bigfoot, i understand you "service" a lot of things.... gurgle gurgle!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:19 amHoly Christ that is desperate. This "story" is probably something some detainee made up when they were holding his face over the stovetop burner.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:19 amAs for Fox: It's all about boosting the sagging ratings.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:19 amQuick, look under your bed, it's an islamofascist!
(sigh)
If it was Alqueda, wouldn't they take credit??
Also, out of Curiosity, is the National Guard thinned out too much in California?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:19 amMust agree with you Katy, keep our mind's busy while they cook up more evil and empty our pocket's......Once again pull out the terra card.......Blessings
October 24th, 2007 at 10:20 amSounds like a true act of desperation on the part of the Fox propaganda machine. Murdock must be feeling stressed after reading that his boy Bush only has a 25% approval rating and has become irrelevant.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:22 amSo, when does the torturing begin?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:24 amI was watching the news this morning (I think CNN) and they were reporting that firemen were starting fires on purpose. They were performing "controlled burns" to burn off areas so that when the fire got to these places, it would stop.
With the frantic situation, and certain lack of communication, the chopper probably saw some other fire unit starting the controlled fires.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:25 amThey also noted that men in a “hovering helicopter†saw “a guy starting one of these fires.â€
good chance it was a foxnews helicopter, and a good dose
October 24th, 2007 at 10:33 amof wishfull thinking...
...
Fox must be celebrating Islamo-fascist week.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:33 amoh my freakin' god. Doocy has got to be the dumbest human being I've ever seen.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:34 amFaux News: Al Qaeda is causing Global Warming, the housing market collapse, the sinking value of the dollar, the rising cost of education and health care, and the CA wildfires.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:35 amoh my freakin’ god. Doocy has got to be the dumbest human being I’ve ever seen.
Comment by Candyce — October 24, 2007 @ 10:34 am
"O. Bigfoot" is in close second.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:36 amWith the frantic situation, and certain lack of communication, the chopper probably saw some other fire unit starting the controlled fires.
Comment by b40
That's probably what happened. Those dumb-f**ks at Fox News don't know the difference between "controlled burns" and arson.
Wasn't one the fires that occurred last year started by an arsonist? Maybe Fox was looking at old new footage. Ha!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:37 amIn one interview last night, an official said that the fires wouldn't be so out of control if they had been able to get more water drop aircraft sooner.
Think of the usual news cycle for these things and place within current events. First the police and fire are heroes with highly romanticized reporting. The thought that global climate change is affecting the situation. Next I'm waiting to hear confirmation that the fire-fighting has been hampered by not having the national guard troops at home (as opposed to Iraq and on the Mexican-American border).
But a helicopter saw someone acting questionably instantly means Al Q????????? Was the guy wearing a Burkah ? Has there never been an arsonist in the USA before ? Come on!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:38 am#39
Controlled burns also, when used properly, can suck out all the oxygen for a fire to use. It's risky and only certain situations will this work, but it can stop a fire in its tracks if the firemen are lucky.
The problem is that it's freaking FIRE SEASON >
October 24th, 2007 at 10:39 amOops - post 46 - should read "old news footage.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:39 amHow insightful.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:41 amMaybe fox became the CIA or NSA overnight.
besides, my cat just died.
need a little help the killer.
Littlefoot sez:
"even though the idea is discussed in the same type of evidence that pointed to the 9/11 attacks"?
First of all, Littlefoot, that doesn't even make sense. Put down the huffing rag.
Second, the evidence of foreknowledge of 9/11 is massive. The evidence that Al Qaeda started the CA fires, so far seems to be limited to an FBI memo and a sighting of an arsonist. Sorry, biut that's not even remotely equivalent.
Last I checked, Al Qaeda wasn't the organization that rescinded our habeas corpus rights.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:42 am#45, see post #43.... roflmao!
yeah you should consider the source.... faux news... we lie you decide.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:43 amJust because Fox News reported what was known to the Denver FBI office, doesn’t mean it’s productive to simply discount any theory in a knee-jerk fashion because you don’t like the source.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Just because Faux News "reports" what was known to the Denver FBI office, doesn’t mean it's productive to simply accept any theory in a knee-jerk fashion because you worship like the source and would enjoy the possibility of terrorists attacking America.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:44 amLittlefoot sez:
Considering the source, there is every reason to denounce this
October 24th, 2007 at 10:44 ampropaganda"theory".What I want to know is how Al Qaeda started the Santa Ana winds.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:46 amYeah, that’s the ticket. Murdoch is “feeling stressed†because his news network has more viewers than any other in the history of the planet, and in some time slots has more viewers than both CNN and MSNBC put together…in some case by a 2-1 or 3-1 margin.
Yeah, that’s stress all right.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Conservatism is dying and the reich-wingers are becoming instinct. You "people" are a permanent minority and are desperate. "Reporting" of this nature is more proof of your desperation.
But, continue to cite "ratings", it's so expected from the reich-wing....you "people" are too predictable. Now, blame Clinton for good measure. Thanks.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:46 amthe biggest problem are those winds...
blow embers around, dried tinder, poof...
yea, some early mega water doses could've helped...
October 24th, 2007 at 10:46 ambut, those WINDS prevented that...
...
Faux NoNews Reports
I bought some Milk and it was sour, AQ did it.
My lawn mower was swiped, AQ did it.
I had a flat tire, AQ did it.
Someone tagged our neighborhood, AQ did it.
The block up the street had a gas leak, AQ did it.
Fall came and my tomato plants died, AQ did it.
We are gonna hear this crap for decades.
Buck Fush
October 24th, 2007 at 10:46 amI still think it was an evolving sasquatch who accidentally started the fires. It's about as likely as al Qaeda starting them..
October 24th, 2007 at 10:48 amI don't see where Faux News notes it was a 2003 memo. But it was, as ThinkProgress says:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-11-alqaeda-fire_x.htm
October 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amO.Bigfoot, I agree with you. It could have been a terrorist. A white middle-aged man who wears W stickers and says that the Democrats should be kept out of office by any means who starts a fire in California then leaks the idea that Al Queda did it would be a terrorist. So would a man by the name of O.Bigfoot who stokes the flames of fear (aka...TERROR) that some faceless boogieman (Al Queda) would start a fire in California and hope that it destroys property and lives while ignoring the very real possibility that it could be a home-grown arsonist or even something as basic as a lightning strike in land devastated by drought, not culled properly because of budget cuts in the BLM to fund the war that the afore-mentioned O.Bigfoot insists is necessary. You and your ilk are the masters of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt), and hopefully, the American public has had enough of your FUD.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amNo one has rescinded our habeas corpus rights.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:47 am
If you'd quit listening to that genius, Dooooocy, you might find out what's really going on around you.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amAnd if we are going to cover this old territory yet again, then I must call you on the “big lie†yet again.
No one has rescinded our habeas corpus rights.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Herr dubyah and his reich-wing henchmen just have to claim you are a threat to his facade of a "war" on terror and herr dubyah can rescinded your habeas corpus rights. Don't let facts stand in the way of your defense of the indefensible.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:50 amSo, in otherwords, you are in favor of censoring the news, as long as it supports your point of view?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:49 am
So, in other words, you are in favor of supporting the lies and propaganda of faux, as long as it supports your point of view?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:51 am10. "Hmmm. You folks are pretty closed minded if you don’t even allow the idea that this could be true.
Terrorism comes in many forms, and doesn’t have to utilize expensive and difficult to transport weaponry when just a match will do, and you can get matches free from any convenience store with the purchase of just one pack of cigarettes."
I guess the terrorist disguised himself as a telephone pole with a transformer. And his co-conspirator disguised himself as a welder's blowtorch.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:51 amGo hide in the closet, fella. I'll let you know when the coast is clear.
So, in otherwords, you are in favor of censoring the news, as long as it supports your point of view?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:49 am
I don't know if I'd call it censoring to point out irresponsible, inflammatory reporting.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:54 amO. Bigfoot: You really don't have a clue. We do not mock the possibility of terrorism even in wildfire. We agree that any serious threat should be investigated. However, we do mock FAUX News. You see, FAUX speaks very little to the more likely causes of the fires. Indeed, you pointed to some of them in Comment #49. We do not see a serious discussion as to whether there should be more zoning restrictions to prevent people from building in these unsound areas. We do not see a discussion as to whether building codes should be modified to prevent construction of these home and businesses with dangerous materials for such fire prone areas. We do not see a discussion as to whether global warming played a part in this disaster. We do not see a discussion as to whether the state authorities should curtail its attempt to save the homes of these people because they are getting what they deserve for building in such fire prone areas.
Instead, we see FAUX News trotting out its Al Qaeda attack theory. I would rather have the FBI, state authorities and DHS pursuing the investigation. I would rather not want FAUX News to go off half baked when there is no serious evidence that terrorism was involved. You see, you Republicans and conservatives are little wussies. You run off half baked and we your panties out of fear far too easily.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:55 amAre you folks really sure who’s(SIC) side your(SIC) on?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Two spelling errors in one short sentence! Are you really sure you're (note the correct spelling) in a position to boast, as you have done on a previous thread, of your "superior intellect?"
October 24th, 2007 at 10:56 amAnd just for the record, Mr. Superior Intellect-Foot-in-the-Mouth, I personally would never dismiss the possibility of arson in any major fire--particularly because once, as a child, I witnessed a man in the distance setting dry brush aflame in the Hollywood Hills.
Littlefoot sez:
Nice touch on trying to turn the "big lie" into an indictment on those who would speak up against this administration that has done nothing but lie to us since day one. Goebbels would be proud.
Either you're too stupid to understand the current state of affairs, or you're lying. I don't know which, and I don't care. Neither explanation would surprise me at this point.
In case it's the former, look up "Military Commissions Act of 2006".
Second,
October 24th, 2007 at 10:56 amCould this be true? Of course. Could it just be a story based on the sketchiest of "facts"? Of course. It's probably one of these scenarios:
1) It's true. Terrorists are setting wildfires in California. We have no idea what they hope to gain from this, since no terrorist groups appear to be taking credit for it, and it's not exactly crippling our nation nor putting us in the grip of fear (although it IS burning down quite a few private homes).
2) It's a lie put forth by a detainee who was subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques", and was forwarded in an FBI memo. Victims of torture often talk, but if they can lie instead of telling the truth, they will opt for the lie. And this one is good because it's hard to disprove.
3) It's a fanciful story put forth by Fox News, with evidence as questionable as the "evidence" that the Clintons murdered people.
Just one question -- if police officers in a "hovering helicopter" actually saw somebody setting a fire, what action did they take? Did they actually do anything about it? Did they attempt to capture the perpetrator? Did they notify any other authorities right away? Or did they just take their story to Fox News?
If these fires are the result of arson, the culprits must be caught and face justice -- whether they are terrorists or just idiots with some other agenda.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:57 amPost 64 - Jeremy
Brilliant comment. I agree, it must have been a white male republican that started that fire, a bush supporter like O big stinky foot.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:57 amIt’s what will keep you on the fringes, where you belong.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Excuse me, Mr. O. Big20%er? Who's on the fringes? hahaha!!
October 24th, 2007 at 10:59 ammissmolly, your point #1 is right on. Al Qaeda makes a point of taking credit for its mayhem, and that has not happened here.
Doocy and his pals are the only terrorists here - promoting fear based on crackpot speculation.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:04 amWhy is the only consistency of thought liberals seem to engage in directed at hating George Bush at all costs, rather than actually acknowledging that the United States does have enemies out there.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
O. Bushfart, if the CA wildfires were actually started by al Qaeda would it be fair to criticize George Bush for allowing this attack to take place in light of the 4 year old FBI memo?
Then again, if al Qaeda started these fires, wouldn't they have already taken credit for it?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:05 amIf it is AQ, then wouldn't this prove that the rationale of "fighting them over there so we won't have to here" is total BS, and we are wasting lives and resources in Iraq for a strategy that is a failure?
Here's my theory:
Al Qaeda has taken a page from WWII history, and launched a wave of fire balloons from the mountains of Pakistan.
I'm sure Fox & Friends would believe that.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:08 amSure, I’ll cite ratings. You folks are so fond of citing your polls in your attempts to justify your hatred of George Bush and the United States, then I will cite my polls which show how wrong you are.
Woe, woe, woe, Ol foot in the mouth....
October 24th, 2007 at 11:10 amI didn't see any post that stated "hatred" of Bush and we certainly don't hate the United States. Stop making an ass out of yourself, it that's possible, by making assumptions about "folks" feelings.
And our own government is NOT the enemy, regardless of how much the kook left would like to think it is.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Wrong again, bigfart. Our government is our enemy, and is destroying America through fascist, treasonous liars like the foreigner Rupert Murdoch and his clan of liars (officially liars, went to court for that right). Your defense of FOX lies is in keeping with foreign terrorist tactics, and your lies about the numbers are proof of your anitiAmerican, antiFreedom bias. Fortunately, the real umbers show how over 2/3 of America has caught on to your treason, and you are all but finished as a force in this country, and not a moment too soon. We will have our socialist paradise in the USA within ten years. You can move to North Korea, where they think just like you.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:10 amYou will be a much more “rounded†citizen if you actually use more than liberal blogs to get your “newsâ€.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Only if by "much more rounded" you mean "much more ignorant", as the research has shown. FOX viewers are 80% more ignorant of current events than any other viewers in the USA. FOX viewers still believe the lies fomented by Bushco, when the rest of the world knows the truth. You are living proof of the ignorance and America-hatred of the below-average FOX viewer.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:13 amOh, for crying out loud! Al-Queda is now the cause of the California fires? Fox News has really lost their minds. Next, the nimrod newsstaton will blame Al-Queda for global warming.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:15 amNext, the nimrod newsstaton will blame Al-Queda for global warming.
Comment by SP Biloxi — October 24, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Now you've done it....
October 24th, 2007 at 11:19 amYou will be a much more “rounded†citizen if you actually use more than liberal blogs to get your “newsâ€.
I would tend to agree with this.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:19 amActually Bigfoot, I did watch FAUX News on it. You know, they did have a very limited discussion of those issues. But then, that is the point; it was a very limited discussion of those issues. I guess it must be for those, like you of the 25% (and falling) of the people who still think that the conservatives know what they are doing.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:24 amIf arson is to blame, it is more than likely some kook liberal anarchist that is jealous and envious of people that have worked hard for what they have.
Comment by jdc — October 24, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Then doesn't that blow Glenn Beck's supposition that God is burning down the homes of liberals?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:30 amIt's clearly a natural disaster.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:31 amBears don’t actually hold conversations with rangers.)
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:06 am
Neuther do yeti talk, so therefore, yer a 'fictional" character too. But we already know that. We're just waiting for you to figure it out.
Before I forget, howza Neuticlesâ„¢ workin' out fer ya?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:35 amHere comes Mr. Chertoff backing encouraging local officials and citizens to agree with the notion that this was terror-related, so as to enable the Director Of Mossad In America, er, I mean Homeland Security, to hand out YOUR MONEY in order to BUY REPUBLICAN votes in the name of terror-reimbursement.
I'm all for taking care of the people harmed by the fires - through FEMA and other programs, but when the government starts to hand out money from other terror-related budgets over and above what is called for - it's called BUYING VOTES.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:36 am“It was clearly a Sasquatch who accidentally started the fires. They’re evolving and they’ve discovered how to create fire, but living in the woods and all, their new found skill got a bit out of control and started these massive fires. Someday soon, they’ll discover the wheel.
Comment by Ike Skelton — October 24, 2007 @ 10:03 amâ€
Oh no!!!! I knew I should've held Bigfoot Awareness Week last week! We might've caught that fictitious bastard in time. Ohh, this is all my fault... Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough! :( :( :(
That’s quite a fantasyland you live in there, fella. Watch a lot of cartoons, do you?
(Pssst: Just a friendly hint: Yogi Bear wasn’t real. Bears don’t actually hold conversations with rangers.)
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:06 am
Oh, okay, O. Bigfoot. Just try and tell us that Bigfoot ain't real, you Sasquatch-hugging traitor! >:(
October 24th, 2007 at 11:36 amFOX is State Sponsored Propaganda
October 24th, 2007 at 11:37 amI haven't had a decent bowel movement since Sunday night - should I check the Fox News site to see if I can blame Al Qaeda?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:37 amAQ is also responsible for Global Warming.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:40 amBefore I forget, howza Neuticles™ workin’ out fer ya?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — October 24, 2007 @ 11:35 am
They're lookin' a little droopy. ;)
October 24th, 2007 at 11:41 amDear O. Bigfoot.
You're correct in that no theory can be discounted for natural causes to terrorist attack to alien invasion.
But let me refer you to Occam's Razor: "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the right one," or alternately, "we should not assert that for which we do not have some proof."
It's the fact that FoxNews (and the right) ALWAYS jump immediately to the terrorist angle that infuriates those of us who get our news from sources other than Fox and the right wing - just as you accuse those here of getting their news from lefty blogs.
It's not ignorance of a terrorist threat that angers us about Fox, its the bare-faced lack of logic that drives their demagoguery. It's the leap to "terrorist" over the logic of a natural cause during an extended drought. Even if it was man-made i origin, there is no logic to support it was a terrorist over an camper or hiker - both of which are far more prevalent in the California hills than AlQueda.
No one on the left believes there is no danger from radical extremism. We're just smart enough not to see terrorists behind every tree or ethical enough not to use terror to influence people's loyalties.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amThre are plenty of "home-grown terrorists" here when the Santa Anas hit to account for the arsons. No need for outside knuckleheads.
Maybe the Laguna Beach arson in 1993 that was never solved was part of another AQ plot!
October 24th, 2007 at 11:48 amYeah, that’s the ticket. Murdoch is “feeling stressed†because his news network has more viewers than any other in the history of the planet, and in some time slots has more viewers than both CNN and MSNBC put together…in some case by a 2-1 or 3-1 margin.
Yeah, that’s stress all right.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Those are figures for CABLE news, you nimrod, and cable's nunmbers come nowhere near network news.
Fox may be AVAILABLE to more viewers, but that certainly doesn't mena they're all watching it. Geez, quit admiring the Neuticlesâ„¢ and get an education.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:51 amThey’re lookin’ a little droopy. ;)
Comment by Zooey — October 24, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Hi, Z. How was the trip?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:52 amwhere is Republic of Stupidy ?
Comment by 8thAvatar — October 24, 2007 @ 9:57 am
Hmmm... what's this about?
October 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pmYa...Al-Qaeda were seen also in the sky trying to start a lightening,and from the sound of thundering we were able to tell who is behind it...the expert say.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmThis endless fear-mongering has stopped working. They've run the well dry. Only the braindead bedwetters could possibly be falling for it anymore.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:12 pmYou know, just like a ridiculous percentage of people still think Iraq/Saddam had something to do with 9/11, if you ask people (especially FAUX "news" viewers!) in six months or so:
How did the California fires start?
A) natural disaster
B) started in Mexico and spread north
C) global warming combined with low rainfall
D) Al-Qaeda
I bet there'd be a disturbing amount of people who would say "D" thanks to this disinformation.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmFaux Snewz SNEWZFLASH!:
This just in from the editors just waking up from their Oxycontin brainstorming session.....
"Al Qaeda is behind plot to steal toilet paper from all public bathrooms.
This insidious plot is designed to strand Americans in bathrooms all across America, police departments, FBI headquarters, military bases, so that Al Qaeda can easily just take over.
How can our first responders respond when they are stuck without a roll?"
October 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmi heard it was al qaeda who made Doocy's mom drink all that vodka when she was pregnant, giving steve a lifetime of fetal alcohol syndrome to deal with.
somebody get fox&friends some helmets, and a ticket to iraq on the short bus.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:20 pmomg - that bigfoot person is still typing things here?
- i'm out -
see you all after he's long gone.
i don't like being annoyed to the point of violence by people who aren't smart enough to keep their mouths shut about things they can't comprehend, especially when they aren't physically present to get what they so richly deserve directly from me.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThis is the same script as the fires in Greece earlier this year.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmYellow journalism at it's finest.
Besides, if it was al Q did it they'd be taking credit for it by now.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWhy is the only consistency of thought liberals seem to engage in directed at hating George Bush at all costs, rather than actually acknowledging that the United States does have enemies out there.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
O. Bushfart, if the CA wildfires were actually started by al Qaeda would it be fair to criticize George Bush for allowing this attack to take place in light of the 4 year old FBI memo?
Then again, if al Qaeda started these fires, wouldn’t they have already taken credit for it?
Care to answer these questions Bigfoot?
October 24th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWell Bigfoot? What's the problem? Can't bring yourself to see a situation where criticism of Bush is warranted? Do you adore the man that much?
October 24th, 2007 at 12:42 pmPerhaps anger management therapy? Just a friendly suggestion….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Nothing friendly about your posts, that's for sure.
Speaking of therapy, have you told your therapist how you get your kicks by going on a liberal progressive blog and picking fights and insulting other posters? Your therapist might be able to help you out with that.
October 24th, 2007 at 12:52 pmPerhaps anger management therapy? Just a friendly suggestion….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Perhaps therapy? Just a friendly suggestion.....
October 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pmAh, yes...
How outrageous and closed-minded not to consider that this was potentially an unprecedented AQ arson attack, rather than the work of yet another deranged homegrown American arsonist.
It is remarkable the mental gymnastics required to get behind this completely unfounded and baseless fearmongering.
http://www.FEARandSMEAR.com
October 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pmFrom below post:
"Glenn Beck responded to criticism over his suggestion earlier this week that the California wildfires are damaging the homes of “a handful of people who hate America.†Beck yesterday lashed out at “a few liberal bloggers†who, he said, “claim that I’m serious when I’m joking and try to cause trouble.â€"
When Beck first made his comment I almost posted a sarcastic post saying that if the fire was burning in a red state he would have blamed terrorists. I decided against it because it seemed innapropriate in light of all the suffering of a natural disaster. Fox news apparently feels no such restraint.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmOf course anyone can start a fire. They don't need bomb making materials, they don't need guns. This just points out how stupid it is to put so many resources and sacrifice so much freedom to the notion of fighting terror. A country could spend those resources instead on fighting disease, poverty, discrimination and natural disasters, and into protecting the environment, providing housing, safe food, good schools, fostering science, the arts, upholding the law justly, Would such a country be more likely targets of terrorists? Wouldn't such a country have fewer and lesser threats from terror and would it not get quicker and better help from the world when a terrorist did strike.
Of course we won't be that country. More likely we will have calls to surveil persons who purchase too many matches or lighters and we can have laws to allow people to be held indefinitely without charges if the government has suspicion based on them carrying devices capable of starting a fire during dry spells.
The man spotted starting the fire turned out to be Bill O'Reilly?
October 24th, 2007 at 1:28 pm113 - no, i prefer to handle it the manly, old fashioned, conservative way, by hiring thugs to beat my opponents into submission. best reinforce your perimeter.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:41 pmTo "Bigfoot," it's republican ilk, and Fox Noise: Turning this tragedy into a chance to drum up support for the republican party is shameful at best. Have some compassion, and quit trying to use this tragedy as a chance to "liberal" bash. Truly, you people have absolutely no shame. Your tactics are beyond the pale. Get an f---ing life. I am flabbergasted at these remarks. I pray you don't have to endure the horror almost a million Californians face today because of these fires. What has become of the United States that people would use a tragedy to bolster a political position? I'm deeply saddened by these remarks. This country has gone to s--t.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWell, I guess the fact that the FBI has the memo and is investigating the situation is a good thing.
It seems that if it were up to liberal/progressives, the whole possibility of terrorist arson would be ignored.
Are you folks really sure who’s side your on?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Uh Huh......AL-CIA-DA did it. Along with the beer coolers filled with bombs and the dictionaries used as weapons.
I had indigestion the other day....ALCIADA
October 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pmMy hangnail hurts. It must be Al Qaeda's doing.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:14 pm.
And that information was obtained... HOW?
If they said the next wave of attacks will come in the form of rain, the next flash flood is al-CIAda?
Or wait till someone confesses under extreme stress, short of heart failure, cause then it's not torture, that the sun is set to burn people.
What...?
Can't controll it? Blame it on al-CIAda.
.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:18 pmSure, I’ll cite ratings. You folks are so fond of citing your polls in your attempts to justify your hatred of George Bush and the United States, then I will cite my polls which show how wrong you are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Ah -- polls versus ratings! Let the battle begin!
Political polls indicate the will of the people as far as how they feel about their elected leaders, how they feel about political issues, and/or who they want their elected leaders to be.
Ratings indicate popularity of a media outlet compared to others.
Polls indicate that American people are fed up with the Iraq occupation and want out.
Ratings indicate that more people watch Fox News than CNN, but that more people watch network news than cable news.
Polls indicate that American people don't like the job Bush is doing as President.
Ratings indicate that American people don't like the job Katie Couric is doing as news anchor.
Polls indicate that Rudy Giuliani is more popular than Fred Thompson. And Hillary Clinton is more popular than either one of them.
Ratings indicate that Sean Hannity is more popular than Michael Savage. And Rush Limbaugh is more popular than either one of them.
Which carries more significance? I concede it's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that what people think about the events going on in our country and the world is more important than what television channel they watch.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:51 pmbut, but, but ,but....Bill Clinton did it too.
Clinton sank the Titanic with Osama's help.
Osama started WW II(with Bill Clinton's help)
Al Qaeda is causing obesity in America.(also with Bill Clinton's help)
Did I leave anything out?
October 24th, 2007 at 2:54 pmMany of these fires are the work of human neglect or willful arson, so it wouldn't surprise me that the fire was no accident.
Al Quieda is no longer sending insurgents into Iraq, so they may be trying to cause problems here.
October 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pmooops- my bad. forgot this;
Katrina wiping out New Orleans was Al Qaeda's doing (also aided by Bill Clinton).
October 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDid I leave anything out?
Comment by Uncle Ho — October 24, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Yes -- you forgot to mention that the stock market crash of 1929 was a terrorist plot. Instigated by Al Qaeda. And Bill Clinton allowed it to happen.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pmmissmolly; again, I stand corrected. :-)
October 24th, 2007 at 3:15 pmPlease, by all means, you just keep feeling that sense of security which comes from hanging around left wing blogs, preaching to the choir, getting your daily “progressive†talking points, and ignoring any information which contradicts your pre-concieved notions. It’s what will keep you on the fringes, where you belong.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:56 am
BigF: Direct those comments to yourself, and the rightwing lunatic fringe, with whom you are obviously affiliated. As far as Fox Noise perhaps having higher ratings, have you ever heard of knowing your enemy better than you do your friends? In times like these in which the United States is under attack from within by people like you (you are a bigger danger to this country than any terrorist could ever hope to be), every American should know the BS being spewed by the lunatics on Fox. The only way we can fight you is to know where you're coming from.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmFOX News is a cult of slap-happy nincompoops...
GOP Mess AmeriKKKa...
October 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pmIt seems that if it were up to liberal/progressives, the whole possibility of terrorist arson would be ignored.
Are you folks really sure who’s side your on?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Wrong. The possibility of arson is considered every time there is a fire of questionable origin. Not just this year -- it's always been that way. And until it is a fact that the fire was NOT started by arson, investigation will continue until the perpetrators are caught -- just like any other crime (and in California, the perpetrators are held liable for the costs of fighting the fire, too).
With arson, just like murder, all angles and scenarios are considered by the investigators. Including the possibility of terrorism, no matter how improbable that might be. Although generally the investigators don't tip their hand by blabbing about the possibility to Fox News.
October 24th, 2007 at 3:41 pmSanta Anna winds? Yep...al Qaeda.
It has been raining in Northeast TN and Southwest VA for the past 12 hours. We haven't seen the likes of that in 4 months. Must be terrorist activities. I think I saw a plane circling overhead seeding the clouds, hoping for a flood.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:24 pmIt seems that if it were up to liberal/progressives, the whole possibility of terrorist arson would be ignored.
Are you folks really sure who’s side your on?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:09 am
I thought the terrorists hated us for our freedoms and wanted to kill as many people as possible to make a statement.
So how is starting a fire going to embolden terrorists and let them claim victory over America? How many people do you expect to die and why aren't the terrorist going after big numbers? Are the terrorists ignorant enough to think that they could catch over 900,000 people (the # evacuated as of this morning) off-guard by setting a fire and hoping no one would notice?
Quick, Bigfoot, call the White House and tell them to investigate the fires as a possible act of terrorism, because after watching anything other than Fox Noise, I haven't seen anyone in the government suggest terrorism is behind this.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:35 pmSure, I’ll cite ratings. You folks are so fond of citing your polls in your attempts to justify your hatred of George Bush and the United States, then I will cite my polls which show how wrong you are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 24, 2007 @ 10:56 am
I hate the United States? Bite me. No, I hate what you and every other idiot who blindly follows their leaders without questioning anything are doing to this country. A president with unlimited powers and unanswerable to any law? Fine and f----g dandy with you. Invading a country that was not a threat to us? Fine and dandy with you. Having the option of claiming Executive Priviledge and National Security are the two best friends the Bush administration could ever have dreamed of. And you can just STFU about "Bush haters" as the Left had to put up with more than their share of Clinton haters in the 1990s. Within the first few months of his first term people were ready to kick him out of office, with a few Republicans mumbling about impeaching him and how to accomplish it.
October 24th, 2007 at 4:44 pmIt matters a lot if the fires are classified as an act of terrorism.
There is an option when buying insurance to accept or reject coverage for acts of terrorism. It costs more money to get the coverage.
If these fires are classified as terrorism, a lot of people will not have insurance coverage.
October 24th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWow. It's truly sad to see that the Left has been reduced to the same level of name calling and bullying as the Right. I don't think the term "Progressive" fits when your rhetoric hits this level. The country keeps getting more partisan and the level of discourse continues to deteriorate. What the heck happened to us?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:08 pmWow. It’s truly sad to see that the Left has been reduced to the same level of name calling and bullying as the Right. I don’t think the term “Progressive†fits when your rhetoric hits this level. The country keeps getting more partisan and the level of discourse continues to deteriorate. What the heck happened to us?
Comment by tjrc — October 24, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Oh, put away your CONCERN TROLLING - you GOP HACK!
The discourse was deteriorated years ago, we just refuse to put up with your partisan s@#t anymore - get it GOP HACK?
October 24th, 2007 at 8:25 pmCome on. The fire back a few months in LA was because of some 11 yearolds with a lighter. You think this one is Al Qaeda?
Donate to red cross! http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html
annd if you're interesting in seeing what people are saying about the fires http://www.utterz.com/~t-TOD10.24.07/rss.php
October 24th, 2007 at 8:26 pmHave some of the fires been started by illegals? Also there have been reports of our beloved non-white minorities looting the homes of the displaced...any info on that??
October 24th, 2007 at 8:45 pmAmerica Wake up. Haven't you learned that Al-Qaeda and terrorism has been designed to put fear into the American people and to dissolve our liberties. You must not pay attention to what really goes on here. Ever heard of the Patriot Act, Real ID cards, the North American Union. You better wake up. If these fires are done by a organization it is for controlling the American Citizens. Who would want to do that? hmmmm Punch "Zeigeist the movie" into your search engine and watch it or watch clips on you tube about the "Real ID Act", and the "North American Union". Like America? It won't be here for long. Get educated. Al-Qaeda is a spoof, its really the man behind the curtain.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:53 pm>No one has rescinded our habeas corpus rights.
Gosh will you forgive us if we dont take our legal advice from someone who thinks theres any basis in the costitution for giving constitutional rights only to citizens? Do you recall the last time anybody was required to produce proof of citizenship before they were allowed to plead the 5th?
>There is no reason to immediately denounce any theory as
> to the start of these fires.
Good so you wont mind if newscasters give some time to the "blackwater started the fires to distract from reports of the civilians they execute for not moving out of the way of thier vehicles fast enough" theory, right?
> And our own government is NOT the enemy, regardless of how much the >kook left would like to think it is.
Remind me where they determined the anthrax originated from again? Remind me of the political affilitation of every senator who was sent anthrax?
>And how’s that conversion to Islam coming? Looking forward to your >virgins?
Bigfoot where do the turks about to bomb iraq and the kurds who shelter their terrorist targets fit on your black and white "with us or against us" chart?
October 25th, 2007 at 12:55 amC'mon folks this is just Faux News blowing smoke ('scuse the pun) as usual. The quote (and the memo) are four years old. Same old Repug. scare tactics over and over aqgain
"KILMEADE: A June 25 memo from the FBI’s Denver offices reported three days ago, excuse me, five days ago, by the Arizona Republic, that is a newspaper, they have been carrying the story and they continue to expand upon it."
October 25th, 2007 at 2:52 amO. Bigfoot, I hate to burst your bubble about the Fox News ratings, but...
While's it's true that Fox posts higher ratings, Fox ACTUALLY has fewer viewers than CNN.
You see, Nielsen calculates a couple of different types of ratings and one of those -- probably the most important, but a bit more complicated and, as such, less reported -- is the CUME rating.
The cume rating is based on the numbers of people who actually tune into a channel, even if only for a couple brief minutes to catch up on the news, while the ratings share is merely a daily average, geared toward those who spend more time planted in front of a specific channel --
-- Like, for example, Fox News watchers, who have so much time on their hands that they have nothing better to do than sit mesmerized by the bright shiny moving things on their TV screen.
I know I've probably lost you already, because this post requires you to think just a bit, but CNN REGULARLY posts about 20% MORE ACTUAL VIEWERS than Fox.
You see, when you live in a color world, black and white just doesn't cut it anymore.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:54 amELF must be relieved that they found someone else to blame everything on.
October 25th, 2007 at 9:03 amThe essence of terrorism is that it causes damage and people will KNOW that the damage was intentional. If Al Qaeda started a wildfire, and people thought that the wildfire was an act of nature, then by definition it would not be terrorism. As it is, people feel a sense of loss and perhaps of fear, but it doesn't cause that frisson of "They have struck again -- when and where will they strike next?"
October 25th, 2007 at 9:49 amwow...I didn't think when I read this on GlobalGrind.com that people were seriously thinking it was terrorism. Thats just ridiculous and another way to place the blame on the depletion of our environment on someone other than ourselves.
October 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmWell, if Al-Qaeda didn't mention California as a potential target of their arson, that's good enough for me. So far, they've been keeping to their word very well. I'm sure they wouldn't do anything in California without at the very least getting the name of the state right.
October 25th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThe main problem is that Katrina sucked the moisture from other areas. California is just one of them. So the place got so dry, that fires were inevitable. Every hurricane makes California more combustible. A few more like Katrina, and I'm sure some of the inactive volcanoes in California will come back to life spewing lava.
October 25th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI wonder how much the insurance company paid them to say that. It doesn't take a genius to see that it's all about the $$$s. They not going to cover anyone now because it was not a fire but a terroist attack, an act of war and that is not insurable.
Sad, sad country we are living in.
October 25th, 2007 at 6:30 pmrepublicans hate facts,
Nice post. I'm a life long Democrat. I oppose the President and have put my time in marching against the war in Iraq. The point is, if you don't the intellect to argue a point with facts you are doing a disservice to the overall message of the party. You, and apparently many others, have somehow confused verbally abusing people with holding strong to your convictions. Yes, the right is famous for this. Be better than what you oppose or just become it.
Thanks.
October 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pmO Dear... O Bigfoot...
Of course it does not take much to strike terror in the US. Just look what good 'ol Conservative Timmy McVey did with cow turd.
But comparing all the data on the 911 terrorists that was available to this administration to a 4 year old document extracted by a detainee, that does not even "match" what even happened, is hillarious.
First off... stop labeling us as Liberals like some racist. We are "We the People of this United States". And No... we never say that our Government is our enemy, that is a Republican saying that started with good ol Reagan.... remember?
We love Government. It is this lying administration that the majority of the population of "We the people" despise. Maybe if they would stop lying to us on a daily basis, and destroying our economy on a daily basis, and spreading fear on a daily basis... maybe then we could actually take this propoganda for a grain of salt.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmDear criticalthinker,
I am not one to cling on to any conspiracy theory, but you forgot the biggest smoking gun of all...
Absolutely no investigations done on the biggest attack on our country.
Instead we sent all the rubble to china to build more crappy children's toys filled with lead to kill our babies... Nice!
October 26th, 2007 at 4:11 pm