Washington Post In 2002 And 2007: Bush Is Trying To ‘Prevent’ War
Washington Post In 2002 And 2007: Bush Is Trying To ‘Prevent’ War
Yesterday, President Bush announced new, unilateral sanctions against Iran. Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) warned that the unilateral approach “escalates the danger of a military confrontation.”
Today, the Washington Post offers a very different perspective. The paper writes that Bush’s sanctions regime demonstrates that he actually seeks to “prevent” war with Iran:
In approving far-reaching, new unilateral sanctions against Iran, President Bush signaled yesterday that he intends to pursue a strategy of gradually escalating financial, diplomatic and political pressure on Tehran, aimed not at starting a new war in the Middle East, his advisers said, but at preventing one.
Bush believes Tehran will not seriously discuss limiting its nuclear ambitions or pulling back from its involvement in Iraq unless it experiences significantly more pressure than the United States and the international community have been able to exert so far, according to administration officials and others familiar with the president’s thinking.
That the Post is so willing to uncritically accept the White House interpretation of its own actions is nothing new. In 2002, during the run-up to the Congressional vote to authorize military action against Iraq, the Post similarly wrote that Bush viewed the vote as “the best way to prevent a war:”
Moreover, unlike 1991, passage of the resolution does not mean that a war is imminent. Indeed, as the vote neared, Bush and members of his administration in recent days have deliberately toned down their tough rhetoric. The notion that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein must be toppled has been shoved in the background, while instead officials argue that the best way to prevent a war is strong support from Congress and the U.N. Security Council for a possible war, because it will demonstrate to Hussein that he has no choice but to give up his weapons of mass destruction.
The drumbeat for war with Iran strikes disturbingly similar notes as that leading up to war with Iraq. It is unfortunate that the Washington Post has not grown more skeptical of Bush’s attempts at “preventing” war.
UPDATE: Matthew Yglesias has more.
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President Bush has not built a legacy, by any means, of preventing war. His legacy is in fact, quite the opposite.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLook out America — our president is going to “prevent” us all the way into World War III.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:25 pm“Bush believes Tehran will not seriously discuss limiting its nuclear ambitions or pulling back from its involvement in Iraq unless it experiences significantly more pressure than the United States and the international community have been able to exert so far…”
Bush LIES.
About everything. Including and especially about himself.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6274147.stm
October 26th, 2007 at 1:25 pmRemind me who Iran has invaded in the past 500 years?
Oh thats right, NO ONE.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:26 pmIf bull shit bush want’s to stop any war’s he need’s to resign and STFU…..Nothing else will do, unless of course off the table nancy decides to do her job and put impeachment back on the table….Blessings
October 26th, 2007 at 1:27 pmyes! and global warming is GOOD for people because they wont be dying from cold anymore….. just killed by the heat.
these asshoIes are INSANE!
October 26th, 2007 at 1:28 pmim sorry but can anyone remind me of who is the ONLY country to use nukes against another country?
October 26th, 2007 at 1:29 pmSure…Chimpy is “trying to prevent war” in much the same way that a schoolyard bully “tries” to prevent himself from beating up a smaller child by demanding his lunch money.
<snark>
Sure, the kid could have avoided the beating by giving up the money…by refusing to hand it over, he’s clearly the aggressor, and the bully is entirely justified in “protecting himself” by beating the kid black and blue, and then stealing his money, as well as his shoes.
</snark>
October 26th, 2007 at 1:31 pmThis is why I cancelled my subscription to the “Washington Post Weekly”. Another “Liberial Media” outlet carrying water for the white house.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:31 pmCaption contest:
“Look what you made me do! Do you think I enjoy hitting you?”
October 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pmFred Hiatt: quite possibly the most disingenuous person on the planet. Ben Bradlee would be whirring in his grave if he weren’t dead yet.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pm#7..Twice?? Would that be America??
October 26th, 2007 at 1:33 pmim sorry but can anyone remind me of who is the ONLY country to use nukes against another country?
Comment by Fan of Man — October 26, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Wait - do depleted uranium bullets made from spent nuclear fuel count as “nukes?”
October 26th, 2007 at 1:35 pmIf we fall for this again, we are no smarter than Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy’s football.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:35 pmCaption Contest:
“So, Chuck Norris taught me this karate chop”
Seriously, this whole Iran thing is deja vu all over again. Remember when we had to invade Iraq, because they wouldn’t dismantle their nuclear program?
October 26th, 2007 at 1:36 pmIf we fall for this again, we are no smarter than Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy’s football.
Comment by missmolly — October 26, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
AAUGH!
October 26th, 2007 at 1:38 pmYes, Bush would never mislead the public concerning his propensity to use military action. We see the same drum beat to war as we saw with Iraq. We see the negotiating positions that ensure failure of the diplomatic effort. (Yes, Iran, you cave in on every single point and then we can sit down and negotiate.) I even remember the Republicans mocking the Democrats when the Dems complained that the authorization to use force was not meant a blind go ahead for war. The Republicans made it very clear that any idiot should have known that Bush was going to attack.
My question is this, why does Bush feel that the United States can afford another military engagement at this point? Why does he believe Iran would not strike back?
October 26th, 2007 at 1:38 pmWhen I don’t want to wear a condom during sex, I tell the girl I’m actually trying to prevent her from getting pregnant.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:40 pmBush trying to prevent war is like screwing for virginity.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThis is an exact Iraq “redux”. We’d better impeach him out of office before he succeeds in engaging us in WW3 and tanking this country completely. I don’t know what congress is thinking if they imagine that he’s not planning to do this before he exits, stage right.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWith Bombing Threads!!!
Genius!!!
October 26th, 2007 at 1:42 pmThe remainder of W’s term is an endangerment to this country and should be a very critical “national security issue”.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:42 pmSick & twisted - everything this demented individual says and does.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:42 pmDuh…threats…sorry.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:43 pmMy question is this, why does Bush feel that the United States can afford another military engagement at this point? Why does he believe Iran would not strike back?
Comment by JMOHR — October 26, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
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IMHO, I don’t believe that he truly thinks that we can afford another military engagement at this point, but he can lay the blame for its failure on the next president. It is a win-win for him. If Iran ends up doing something stupid down the road, he can say that he was trying to prevent that. And if we attack Iran, he can then hand off the eventual CF that creates to the next president. He knows that Iran would strike back, and then he could point to that to justify continued war.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThat face in the photo and the body language tells it all. He’s moving “straight ahead” like a submarine in the polar ice cap - crushing and thumping everything in his way. BTW, it’s also the MO of a psychologically sick sociopath!
October 26th, 2007 at 1:44 pmTo imagine that this military and this economy can sustain the cost in lives and dollars of another war is simply deranged.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:45 pmSomeone in congress needs to bring about an investigation into this man’s wellness and “competency” to continue in his position. It’s a “national security issue” at this point (Bush’s mental competency).
October 26th, 2007 at 1:45 pmIf Bush can’t be stopped in his mad rush to attack another country (although I hope he can) he needs to be held accountable. How are we going to pay for it? How many troops will he need to do this successfully? What are the long term plans for success? Will there be a draft? Will we be asking for assistance from other countries? Where is the proof that what he is asking for is the only path?
These, and more, questions need to be asked continually to Bush.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI can’s seem to wrap the metaphysical side of my mind around the fact that it was somehow karmically necessary to install a man who was totally unqualified into this position via rigged elections and then have it occur again four years later so he can “finish the job”. What lesson does this country have yet to learn in this sick twist of fate?
October 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pmHellinabucket: Bush’s level of “accountability” is that of a first grader - but he’s incapable of even the simple math. The fact is that this man destroyed EVERY business venture he was ever involved in and continues to apply faulty reasoning, faulty judgment, and faulty economics to everything within this government. We’ll find that he’s raided the treasury to boot when he exits office.
If congress fails to hold him accountable to the facts this time, then we’re sunk as a nation.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:49 pmWhat lesson does this country have yet to learn in this sick twist of fate?
Comment by Veritas — October 26, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
That Republicans are incapable of governing, and unworthy of our votes, and that we’ve gone to far as a nation in disrupting the governments and peoples of the rest of the world?
October 26th, 2007 at 1:53 pmBush is Trying to ‘Prevent’ War, those guys at the Washington Post are such kidders, I can’t stop laughing. But he better start trying to prevent a civil war right here in the US of A because a lot of people are mad as hell and don’t want to take it any more.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:00 pmBush has been trying (for over six years now) to prevent himself from being the worst president in history.
When will the Disaster President strike again?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:02 pmYeah. I get it.
I prevent myself from going off my diet by eating every single g*ddamned cookie in the house!!
What. A. Moron.
ITMFA!!!
October 26th, 2007 at 2:08 pmBTW, it’s also the MO of a psychologically sick sociopath!
Comment by Veritas — October 26, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
And what do we usually do with these types? How come he has gotten away with it and became president? Questions to be answered after 9/11 is thorouhly investigatived. Will they ever do it?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:13 pmTCDon sez:
Assuming that they are attempting to develop nuclear weaponry (an assumption without a shred of evidence thus far), how exactly does the U.S. claim the moral authority to step in and interfere in the actions of a sovereign nation? Especially given the fact that the “moral authority” is the only nation to have actually used nuclear weapons against other nations?
Do you think that if we don’t, they wont?
Present the evidence backing up that assertion.
Diplomacy would be nice, but that’s not a word understood by this administration. Sanctions, as used by this administration, are as un-diplomatic as you can get (barring outright attack), your attempt to conflate the two notwitstanding.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:16 pmIts all very psychiatric.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Wasn’t that dialog from a M*A*S*H episode?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:17 pmThe point is, how many times do we let these guys cry wolf?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmAre you suggesting that we should just sit back like Neville Chamberlain and let Iran build its nuclear program? Do you think that if we appease them, they’ll leave us alone? Why not try sanctions and diplomacy first?
Comment by TCDon — October 26, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Are you suggesting that we behave like Hitler and pre-emptively invade countries that haven’t attacked us?
The old Chamberlain is such a straw man stupid comment. Are you totally brain damaged, son?
Are you suggesting that Chamberlain should have attacked Hitler before he attacked anyone else? BAHAHA, you’re SO STUPID!
October 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmBush has already taken America and the world through the point of no return. His poisonous legacy has damaged this great nation and its image on the world to such an extent that there’s no turning back. Our future and our future generations will carry the debt and shame of Bush’s colossal failure forever.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:19 pmMost cheering for War with Iran will not serve the Military or didn’t serve when they were called. As for the Bush/Cheney drum roll for an attack on Iran, the results will be a retaliation from all of the Middle Eastern countries and Russia. Don’t think this will be another trick like the White House did with Iraq. Cheney is doing well as he moved his company Halliburton to Dubai as he knew the plan was to sanction Iran and not let American companies do business with Iran. Notice how well the VP is doing his his high profit shares with Halliburton. As the oil prices go higher so does Cheney profit. Americans are so funny as they support this Administration who is robbing us blind. The World Leaders know Bush/Cheney are liars and have made their own plans. Keep an eye on Israel and watch how they back away for the Bush Administration so they wont get bombed if the idiots in the White House again illegally attack a country.
Putin is the new John F. Kennedy of this day. Bush is the dumbest President the US has ever had. Cheney is only in office for his personal business interest.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:19 pmTCDon represents the sort of retardation that pervades the wingnut GOP. They really don’t understand the difference between appeasement and diplomacy! See, TCDon, appeasement is what we do with the Saudis so they don’t cut off the oil, even when their favorite son kills thousands of Americans - we let him go free. See, THAT is appeasement!
October 26th, 2007 at 2:20 pmOil …$92 a barrel.
Bush and his pals are all having orgasms.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:20 pmFor forty years, we lived with 10,000 nuclear warheads pointed at every one of our cities. We “ducked and covered” under our desks in grammar, middle and high school. In spite of the fact that the Soviet Union had these missles pointed at us, we never attacked the Soviet Union. And, guess what - WWIII never happened. We talked. We worked on our own economic machine. By the end of the 70’s, our intelligence agencies were telling us that the Soviet Union would collapse for economic and political reasons by the end of the 80’s.
Now, these cowardly, frightened neocons and their moronic cultist followers want to START WWIII by attacking someone who doesn’t even have nuclear weapons, but may be thinking about them. This is just another reminder of how unbelievably insane and misguided these people are. We need to get rid of all of them.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:21 pmThere is no way any sentient person could conclude that Bush wants to “prevent” war. None. The sad part is that now major newspapers are lying to our faces in exactly the same arrogant, in-your-face, the sky is green way that Bush does. They look you straight in the eye and tell you the polar opposite of reality and act as though you’re an idiot.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWhy not try sanctions and diplomacy first?
Comment by TCDon
Here is Bush’s version of diplomacy to Iran: Stop all your activities, lose face in your own country; then we will talk. All withourt offering them anything in return as a carrot to begin the process. We haven’t really spoken to Iran (except threats) for 30 years. That inactivity has brought us to this point. Since not speaking to them has created this intolerable situation, what possible bad could happen if we DID speak with them? What harm could it couse?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAnd yes, that comment is absolutely pertinent - because sanctions against Iran are going to do NOTHING but cause the price of oil to skyrocket.
And you and I and the rest of middle class America is going to take it in the shorts in the form of higher prices for EVERYTHING.
Iran isn’t going to suffer one bit.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pmIt doesn’t make any sense to prevent war under certain circuumstances. Actions like the one we should be doing in Iran right now, should be swift and decisive.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIt doesn’t make any sense to prevent war under certain circuumstances. Actions like the one we should be doing in Iran right now, should be swift and decisive.
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
Prevent war? What war? They haven’t threatened to attack us! You stupid little fools are STARTING a war, not preventing one!
October 26th, 2007 at 2:24 pmActions like the one we should be doing in Iran right now, should be swift and decisive.
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
Just like the action we did in Iraq, which resulted in PROLONGED and INDECISIVE occupation costing the US 2 TRILLION dollars….
Sorry, but there’s nothing DECISIVE or COMPETENT about GOP leadership, just a bunch of stupid knee jerk reactionary posturing, stemming from a lack of self confidence and capabilities!
October 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pmShayne, once again we are on the same page….Soon enough it will be about drinkable water, not oil….Quickly it will be about the have nothing to loose public against the have’s and have more…..We have become a country of lazy shopper’s seeking instant gratification with no thought of the poor, unemployed, homeless, sick and crippled from war….No regard of people in other part’s of the world or their resourses…..Our country has been taken over with out a wimper, sold out to foreign countries of wealth by our own political leader’s…We have become diseased, all from with in by a very evil force that has been feeding their evil plan for over 30 year’s…cheney/ bush and all like them have worked very hard to accomplish this……Some day’s I don’t think we can survive this, other day’s I work hard to change it….Like many, I have had enough and will join in the revolt when it come’s……Blessings
October 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmIt doesn’t make any sense to prevent war under certain circuumstances. Actions like the one we should be doing in Iran right now, should be swift and decisive.
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
1) Why should we be doing anything “swift and decisive” in Iran?
2) What do you think this action should be, specifically?
3) What do you expect to be the result of this action?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmAre you suggesting that we should just sit back like Neville Chamberlain and let Iran build its nuclear program? Do you think that if we appease them, they’ll leave us alone? Why not try sanctions and diplomacy first?
Comment by TCDon — October 26, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Iran already tried diplomacy, offering us a deal where they’d recognize Israel, stop supporting Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and cease its nuclear program. The White House rejected it.
Who’s Neville Chamberlain in this situation?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmfolks this was the kick off to wwIII. are folks saying because the war is not raging it’s not or since the other world powers are not involved its not. well we have israel(zionists=americas owners) dropping bombs and bullets on palenstine for what reason, oh thats right because the criminal state of israel doesn’t want to give back the land the jews are occupying and there deemed as ‘terrorists’. we have the northern iraq and the turks about ready to go head to head. we have the brits in iraq amongst some other third world countries bush calls allies but were bullied into ‘helping’. we have russia, we have china, we have iran, we have n.korea just ready for this dictator to bugde so they can kick our ass. the nazi in the whitehouse and the satan of the armed forces (rummdumm)has pissed off france. germany is waiting……if you think the fire storm of cali is bad……shoooot. there is going to be nukes waving at each other as they pass to their destination.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmrepublicans hate facts,
Your definition of war seems to be quite limited. Further, I don’t think we should do unto Iran what we did in Iraq. being swift, decisive, and not worrying too much about so called collateral damage, while being judicious at the same time, should be the way to go
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmmissmolly,
1) To ensure our long term survival and interests
2) Targeted destruction of strategic weapons related infrastructure, couple with a decisive regime change
3) Long term survival and flourishing of American interests
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:30 pmComment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
What is that irritating squeaking noise? Sounds like farts from Virginia.
DNFTT
October 26th, 2007 at 2:31 pmAre you suggesting that we should just sit back like Neville Chamberlain and let Iran build its nuclear program? Do you think that if we appease them, they’ll leave us alone? Why not try sanctions and diplomacy first?
Comment by TCDon — October 26, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
you mean pull another ‘iraq’ state of mind. what a joke. how about we, america, pull out of israels (zionist, criminal) behind and run our own country. how about owning our own country. do away with the federal reserve bank. that is a start.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:32 pm1) Why should we be doing anything “swift and decisive†in Iran?
2) What do you think this action should be, specifically?
3) What do you expect to be the result of this action?
Comment by missmolly — October 26, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
4) Why are you wasting time on this troll?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:32 pmYour definition of war seems to be quite limited. Further, I don’t think we should do unto Iran what we did in Iraq. being swift, decisive, and not worrying too much about so called collateral damage, while being judicious at the same time, should be the way to go
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Most sane people would call this mass murder.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pmgummitch,
You do not seem to be contributing anything substantial to this discussion
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:34 pmtoasterhead,
2 comments:
1) We could intelligently limit collateral damage
2) Intelligent people (a subset of the “sane” category) would qualify this action as necessary for National security and survival
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pmActions like the one we should be doing in Iran right now, should be swift and decisive.
Comment by hits
I’ll tell you what would be swift and decisive: oil at $250 a barrel, the hatred of 1-2 billion muslims against the US, further alienation of our allies (do to our failure in Iraq), more death to YOUR fellow countrymen, a police state in America, massive casualites in the ME, increased economic uncertainty around the world, etc…
October 26th, 2007 at 2:36 pmStratRat,
Those points you mention are all avoidable and are, if you will, entirely consistent with my stated position
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:37 pmIran will not sit there and allow themselves to be bombed without retaliation. Bush does not consider that there will be serious consequences to pay. Who says Iran will not invade Iraq and attack our troops? Remember Iran has a legit army. Will the Russians get involved? Will North Korea get involved? Just like Iraq, Bush attacks without thinking of the aftermath.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:39 pmTC Don; Iran’s leadership has far more credibility than ours.
I would not believe Bush if he said that day is light and night is dark.
How do we know Bush is a liar? His lips are moving.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:39 pmDo you think that if we appease them, they’ll leave us alone?
Comment by TCDon —
didn’t know they were bothering us? please enlighten all of us.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:40 pmNote to WAPO: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice shame on me.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pm1) We could intelligently limit collateral damage
2) Intelligent people (a subset of the “sane†category) would qualify this action as necessary for National security and survival
Hits
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
1. The same way we did in Iraq, with over 1 million civilans dead?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:42 pm2. I think you have a typo in your post. Intelligent people would not do so. Intelligence people who want to keep their CIA and DIS jobs, on the other hand, would qualify it as necessary for national security and survival.
#60 - then you’re damn liar and a hypocrite if you actually believe the crap you write and you live in America. Shame on you.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate
Without being disrespectful to you, it appears you do not read much. The points Witch1 makes are true and documented. Oil is finite. It will only last another 50 years or so and will continue to cost more and more to find, drill, and produce. Clean and accessable water is another scarce commodity - and getting more scarce around the ME. Other points to consider are the ever increasing populations putting more pressure on our ability to feed everybody. Other points are the global warming crisis. It will get very bad before it starts to get better (if it gets better). That alone will put even more pressure on the points illustrated above. The trends are very bad for the human race. Please stop getting your news from Glen Beck. He does you no favors.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:43 pmDaddy!! Those damned Iranians looked at us funny!!!!
*eyeroll*
You chickenhawks are simply warmongering bullies.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:44 pmThose points you mention are all avoidable and are, if you will, entirely consistent with my stated position
Hits
Fair enough, hits…I just hope the Iranians are as cooperative as you believe they are.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:45 pmDo you think that if we appease them, they’ll leave us alone?
Comment by TCDon — October 26, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
How are they threatening us now?
October 26th, 2007 at 2:45 pmtoasterhead,
1) Iraq was not executed correctly. We should have gone harder, and got out sooner
2) The typo you have mentioned resides within your imaginations
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:46 pmStratRat,
I do not believe the Iranians will cooperate, and neither would I, if I were in their positions. But, I am not.
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:47 pmA. George W Bush
B. Adolf Hitler
C. Slappy White
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 26, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Hmmmm. Well, there are a lot of big multi-syllable words, so it can’t be A. And it’s in English, so it can’t be B. I’m gonna go with Slappy White.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pm2) The typo you have mentioned resides within your imaginations
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Oh, good! It can keep the Iranian threat company, cause that’s in our imaginations, too.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWhat bothers me most about TP is their refusal to criticize members of the Democratic Party. It’s like one big echo chamber for Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton in here.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — October 26, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
You must not be reading very carefully, then.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:50 pmtoasterhead,
I value my perceptions of reality as higher than those of the Iranians.
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pmHateful Bush cultist: “What bothers me most about TP is…”
Again, you’re free to leave and don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
In fact, if things are bothering you around here, please go. Please find somewhere else to go for whining and crying.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pmhits: “I value my perceptions of reality as higher than those of the Iranians.”
In his mind, there is nobody in a 4000-year old culture who’s perception is superior than his. Gosh, hits. You’re pretty damn special.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmRet. Col. Jack Ripper,
A 4000 year old culture may be ancient, but that does not equate to greater intelligence
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmJebus. It appears quite obvious there’s no Kool-Aid shortage around here.
Perhaps we could consider that instead of oil as an energy source….it’s clean, it’s cheap, it’s renewable…what’s not to love??
October 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmI do not believe the Iranians will cooperate, and neither would I, if I were in their positions. But, I am not.
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
I wouldn’t expect Iranians to give our troops flowers and tiramisu, either. Grand Marnier and rum are incredibly expensive on the black market in Iran and I doubt anyone who has any would want to waste it on us.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmHits: “A 4000 year old culture may be ancient, but that does not equate to greater intelligence”
Look, I get it. In your mind, you are smarter than anyone in Persia. Good for you.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:57 pmBush has maybe another 20 years to live and what are the odds that Jesus will sober up enought to find his way back in his lifetime? I think Bush wants to push the envelope to see if he can coax the Bearded Wonder out from hiding while he’s still alive.
He is on a mission. The cocaine and JD have burned huge voids in his brain and the voices he hears are real to him. He has promised Jebus that he will make War in His name, and who the hell can stop him?
The pathetic coward has done nothing honorable his whole life and he wants to leave his mark.
Why not just leave a dark stain on the rug in the Oval Office Bush? I guarantee you that history would treat that act in a better light than kickstarting Armageddon.
And my kids won’t have to clean up the mess.
October 26th, 2007 at 2:58 pmtoasterhead,
I agree with you on that
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:58 pmBARTLEBEE,
Anything substantial to contribute?
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:58 pmRet. Col. Jack Ripper,
On the contrary, I do not consider myself any more smart than the average guy in Persia.
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 2:59 pm#66 & 80, And I say the shame is on you for backing warmonger’s…We all know about the enabeler’s in the dem party, we also know most polatician’s of today need to be outed and removed along with the warmonger’s or all on the reich…When will you be for Peace.?…When will you as a person go and fight over there where your leader has put all our countries money and military in his personal war?….I say if it’s war you want go to it….Where ever bull shit bush lead’s is not a place to follow…..
October 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pmWhy not just leave a dark stain on the rug in the Oval Office Bush? I guarantee you that history would treat that act in a better light than kickstarting Armageddon.
Comment by nanlichi — October 26, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
A little harsh, don’t you think?
I’m pretty sure our President has been paper-trained by now.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pmBARTLEBEE,
Anything substantial to contribute?
Hits
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
hits=pee
The irony here is mind-numbing.
And the troll is still getting lots of attention. Oy. Time for lunch.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pmOn the contrary, I do not consider myself any more smart than the average guy in Persia.
Hits
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Nor do any of us.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pm#100 - please stop projecting. You would certainly gas Cheney, Rove and Rummy if you had the chance.
No, no, dear. We’d try them as war criminals - and then SHOOT them.
You know, the firing squad…? That’s the traditional punishment.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pmgummitch,
You have the option of not being influenced by my opinions
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pm1) To ensure our long term survival and interests
2) Targeted destruction of strategic weapons related infrastructure, couple with a decisive regime change
3) Long term survival and flourishing of American interests
Hits
1) Collect Underwear.
2) ?
3) Profit
Your arguments are about as solid as the underwear gnomes.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmtoasterhead,
I understand your sentiments, but they remain irrelevant
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmBARTLEBEE,
Clearly, you do not understand the term substantial
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 3:05 pmComment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate
this whole american government is being controlled by the zionists. so you have two mob families, democrats and republicans, battling out to see who can fill ‘their’ agenda, ‘their’ interests and their pockets at the expense of the american people who in fact own this country but are being swindle by their very government. as for hillary, i call her hitlery because she is a zionist supporter and in fact voted to deem iran as a terrorist state which gives this nazi bush all he needs to drop bombs and bullets on iran. um….iraq come directly to mind..it should same tactics. why is ‘our interests’ ahead of anyone else in this world. when in fact ‘our interests’ are not even our commodities. that is the selfishness, arrogance, this government and the followers of this regime are. bullies will at no cost stop until they finish their agenda. and who i ask, who always ends up on their back in the end…….the one who is doing the bullying. americaor israel are not above an ass whoopin…..and frankly they may need one to be put in check just like a school yard bully.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTechnodaoist,
Your imagination is quite vivid. Congratulations
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 3:06 pmAre you suggesting that we should just sit back like Neville Chamberlain and let Iran build its nuclear program? Do you think that if we appease them, they’ll leave us alone? Why not try sanctions and diplomacy first?
Comment by TCDon
First of all, they are YEARS away from the possibility of having a bomb. And second, they have in no way threatened us. Please tell all of us here how Iran has threatened the United States. And lastly, what Bush is doing has absolutely NOTHING to do with diplomacy. Diplomacy means that you sit down and talk with people, you don’t sit there and threaten them every other day.
We really are lucky that Iran doesn’t have the ability to strike our country. Because if they did, they would have every right in the world to launch a pre-emptive strike on the US considering how threatening we have been towards them in the last couple of months.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:07 pm…and are, if you will, entirely consistent with my stated position. -Hits
o my gawd - sHits is dick the cheney! …
what a drag…
October 26th, 2007 at 3:08 pm.
BARTLEBEE,
You have a good sense of humor
Hits
October 26th, 2007 at 3:09 pmtoasterhead, In all honesty, until now I wanted Bush to live a long (albeit miserable and suffering) life so he could feel the wrath of history. But recently, I am afraid the bastard’s goal is to start a Holy War. And if that happens, there is a good chance that life as we know it comes to a screeching halt.
Bush bombs Iran
Iran retaliates by bombing Israel and storming across the border to slaughter our soldiers.
Bush drops N bomb on Iran to avenge our soldiers.
China, Russia, Pakistan say enough of this bs and come after our asses.
Plausible scenario, que no? Much more likely than the swift ass kicking and we all live happily ever after neocon fable.
So who can stop him if he gives the order to bomb Iran? Will the military say no?
This looks like some conspiracy theory kind of crap, but the freak scares the hell out of me.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pmRe: …while instead officials argue that the best way to prevent a war is strong support from Congress and the U.N. Security Council for a possible war, because it will demonstrate to Hussein that he has no choice but to give up his weapons of mass destruction.
And what did it get us? Saddam told Bush that there were no WMDs. Bush called him a liar, pulled the weapons inspectors out before their job was complete, and invaded anyway.
So tell us, trolls, where the WMDs are that Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld knew without a doubt that Saddam had?
October 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pmWhat bothers me most about TP is their refusal to criticize members of the Democratic Party. It’s like one big echo chamber for Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton in here.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate
Well Hate, since you only showed up today, I assume you are not a regular visitor to TP. Because if you were, you would know that people on this blog frequently criticize Hillary, Harry and Nancy Pelosi. So, either contribute something to the discourse or STFU.
Now, I visit redstate on occasion to see what those nutjobs are saying. And guess what? They NEVER criticize ANY Republican for ANYTHING. They have even recently imposed a ban on anyone posting anything about Ron Paul. So, run on over there and say something to them about the fact that they won’t criticize their leaders for anything they do.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pm#103 - how about an objective argument based on fact and reason, not lies and hate.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate
As I am diligently trying to convey to you, my arguments have been stated without too much emotion. You throw “hollywood, gore, etc” into the discussion and you don’t think that skews your position? If you are prepared to state exactly how much energy Gore uses compared to mr Cheney, then bring it on. If you can convice us that “hollywood” (who is “Hollywood”, anyway?) uses more energy than someone else, please tell us. These are YOUR WORDS - not mine. Again, with respect, don’t come to a debate with only your talking points from the right. Folks here at TP are far more knowledgable and up to date on current events than you appear to be. This is your country too (I’m assuming). I would hope that you would want it energy self-sufficient so we don’t have to invade soverign nations to ensure our energy supplies.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:15 pmgummitch,
You have the option of not being influenced by my opinions
Comment by hits —
OMG, are you really that deluded that you would think anyone here would be influenced by your comments. The only “influence” your comments have with me is to be influenced to speculate on your IQ. I’m betting it’s around 75.
hits has got to be Jake.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:17 pmbilbobaggins sez:
It’s blindingly obvious. Shakey Jake can change his name, but he can’t change his STUPID.
I told him a long time ago that writing styles are like fingerprints, and, given enough posts, his identity would be obvious regardless of his pseudonym du jour. Looks like he still doesn’t get it.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pmComment by nanlichi — October 26, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
And watch oil and gasoline prices start inching upward at the mention of invading Iran, just what we need as winter sets on. But the folks in the north who will not be able to afford higher energy costs need not fear, for global warming will prevent many deaths due to cold weather. In fact, let’s turn up the thermostat a few more degrees. I pledge to let my car sit in the driveway and let the engine run for 6 hours this weekend. Who wants to join me?
October 26th, 2007 at 3:21 pmSo who can stop him if he gives the order to bomb Iran? Will the military say no?
This looks like some conspiracy theory kind of crap, but the freak scares the hell out of me.
Comment by nanlichi
Why do you think they “accidentally” flew those five nuclear warheads across our country to the base that is the staging area for the middle east. That scares the shit out of me. These people are insane and we really need to do something about them NOW. I write Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid daily pointing out that by the time they get their act together and do something, it will probably be too late.
If Bush starts WWIII, I will hold Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid as responsible as the Bush Crime Family. I believe that history will do the same.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmPlausible scenario, que no? Much more likely than the swift ass kicking and we all live happily ever after neocon fable.
So who can stop him if he gives the order to bomb Iran? Will the military say no?
This looks like some conspiracy theory kind of crap, but the freak scares the hell out of me.
Comment by nanlichi — October 26, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Very plausible scenario. It’s pretty much how I expect it to play out. Though I don’t think China will attack us militarily - we owe them too much money.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:28 pmComment by toasterhead — October 26, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
China will just come calling on the loans they’ve made to us, and that will be enough damage. Won’t even have to fire a single shot.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI agree bilbobaggins about blaming the weak kneed Dems, but I really don’t want us to be in the position of assigning blame. I would like to prevent the psychotic fck from doing it to begin with.
He will probably get in front of cameras and wave the flag and the bible and implore us to let him bomb Iran. But when that doesn’t work because 75% of us see through the charade, he will do it anyway because, By God, he is the Deciderer.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:34 pmI don’t get why TP attacks the Washington Post so much. I mean, that 4 day expose on Cheney was as critical as it gets of the Admin.
If you can read, when the columnist writes “… his advisers say…” means that they are quoting a source, not agreeing with it.
I’ve seen TP do this with NY Times too, and its my only complaint with this blog. You can’t just say that papers are being biased just for reporting what their sources have to say, otherwise the sources stop talking to them.
Now let’s all call me a troll since I’m calling TP into question on this.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pmLooks like (S)hits and TCDonkeyass drank a big bottle of stupid this morning again…what Idiot Fascist Brownshirt Lockstep Lemming Pigs.
Buck Fush
October 26th, 2007 at 3:39 pmErik Prince’s wife Lucile Garnica Gallo is the sister to Jeb Bush’s wife Colomba. How is that for having unlimited power at the White House? Who is protecting Blackwater’s finances? How about little old Condi?
Got to keep it all in the family. Does anyone else think about Paul Wellstone, one of the few that had the backbone to vote against going into Iraq and died two weeks later. Sorta like Mel Carnahan.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI’ve seen TP do this with NY Times too, and its my only complaint with this blog. You can’t just say that papers are being biased just for reporting what their sources have to say, otherwise the sources stop talking to them.
Now let’s all call me a troll since I’m calling TP into question on this.
Comment by imorgan82 — October 26, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
We don’t have a problem with newspapers reporting what sources have to say, but we do have a problem with them printing it verbatim without any challenge, fact-checking, or opposing viewpoints.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:43 pmIt doesn’t make any sense to prevent war under certain circuumstances. Actions like the one we should be doing in Iran right now, should be swift and decisive.
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
And the twenty year old shits sits in his mom’s basement telling others that more war is the best idea. Not caring one iota how much danger bombing Iran puts the soldiers in Iraq in. I would pray for the draft but I suspect shits here has some disability that would keep him out of harms way not matter what.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmPentagon chief calls planning for Iran strike “routine”
Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:12pm EDT
OVER THE NORTH SEA (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Thursday characterized U.S. military planning for a strike on Iran as “routine”.
“I would characterize it as routine,” Gates told reporters on a flight en route to Washington, when asked about any U.S. planning for military action against Iran.
[…]
http://www.reuters.com/ article/ politicsNews/ idUSL2513103020071025
via randi rhodes… sooooo many links… sooooo much information!
October 26th, 2007 at 3:48 pmhttp://www.therandirhodesshow.com/live/
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We don’t have a problem with newspapers reporting what sources have to say, but we do have a problem with them printing it verbatim without any challenge, fact-checking, or opposing viewpoints.
Comment by toasterhead —
They’re reporting a talking point. What’s to challenge? In the sentence, its obvious that its white house spin. The writer is writing about the topic of sanctions, not reading tea leaves to peer into our turd President’s soul.
Every other editorial they write makes reference to the Admin’s desire to attack Iran. That’s no secret. If you read the paper closely enough to pull out that bolded phrase, you aren’t possibly dumb enough to miss the fact that Bush wants to hit Iran before he’s out of office.
Eviscerating journalists for not sharing your agenda is just as bad when liberals do it as when cons do. I don’t see what’s hard about that. If a reporter wants to continue to have access, and I think we can agree that no one wants to be without that, they have to shill for the powers that be every now and then. I don’t like it either, but that’s reality.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:53 pmYah! Katy, and so little time……Blessings
October 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmPentagon chief calls planning for Iran strike “routineâ€
Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:12pm EDT
OVER THE NORTH SEA (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Thursday characterized U.S. military planning for a strike on Iran as “routineâ€.
Comment by katy — October 26, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Well, if anyone knows where Iran’s weapons are, it’d Gates. He’s the one who sold Iran the weapons in the first place.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:55 pmthen you’re damn liar and a hypocrite if you actually believe the crap you write and you live in America. Shame on you.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate
Damn right we’re full of hate. And you m-effers put it there. Destroying this great nation with your money grubbing, egocentric brand of fascism. Because you’re a bunch of scared, whiney cowards ready to piss all over yourselve every time somebody uses the word terrorist. You neocon numbnutz need to grow a spine and stop worrying about just yourselves every freakin’ minute. WE ARE full of hate, and you, you impotent pathetic twit are the reason we are.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:57 pmconsider the source here, but a reminder of the FIRST unfinished “war”:
America Could Have Killed Usama bin Laden — But Didn’t
Tuesday , October 23, 2007
By Col. David Hunt
Because there is no shortage of things to yell about regarding the War on Terror, Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, and so on, deciding what to write about is always fun.
This week, I was going to yell about how the Bush administration leaked classified information — again — but we’ve been there before. Then, I thought I might write about Blackwater, but compared to so many things, Blackwater looks like back water.
I bet the few of you that read this stuff thought I would write about my short stint in the sights of those who complained or used my column last week for their own purposes. Nah, it ain’t going to happen. Those who were yelling or using me on their TV shows — without bringing me on to comment — are hardly worth the print space. I am not that big a deal. Besides, these things are of little consequence when you realize how we missed, squandered, screwed up, made a mess of and were massively risk adverse — again — when we did not kill Usama bin Laden in Afghanistan just two short months ago.
October 26th, 2007 at 3:57 pm[…]
http://www.foxnews.com/ printer_friendly_story/ 0,3566,304306,00.html
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141 — All right, iImorgan82, I’ll oblige: YOU’RE A TROLL.
There. Feel better?
October 26th, 2007 at 4:02 pmand if we do go to war against Iran, no Democrat will be elected President.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — October 26, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
Oh this is too rich. You neocon nutjobs have been putting party before country since W stole the first election from Al Gore, but now you people are going to start another war just to get a Republican elected president. Whay start the war, I’m sure it would be easier for you people to just steal another election like you did the last two. Why worry about the war, because you’re too lazy to steal it the old fashioned way? You need a distraction to make the corruption easier. Or are member of your own party getting so fed up that you need to daze and confuse them. Maybe you need to be on a reich wing site giving political advice because nobody here needs to listen to a sociopath like you.
October 26th, 2007 at 4:03 pmnope, you?
October 26th, 2007 at 4:03 pmand if we do go to war against Iran, no Democrat will be elected President.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate —
If we go to war against Iran, the Republicans might as well not even put up a candidate.
October 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmI’m pretty sure our President has been paper-trained by now.
Comment by toasterhead — October 26, 2007 @ 3:01
I had to disagree toasterhead but I don’t think the Chimp in Chief has enough sense to tell Laura that his diaper is soiled.
October 26th, 2007 at 4:08 pmhttp://www.newsweek.com/id/62129
October 26th, 2007 at 4:19 pmThe WaP has gone over to the Dark Side. They’re not even pretending to be “fair and balanced” any more….
Cheers
October 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#155 Amen ! But I don’t want one more troop to die for this insanity. Just read where the guys in Iraq are finding remote spots to park out of the way, calling into headquarters every hour instead of patroling. Finally getting smart enough to not jump into the meat grinder. We need to hear more from the ones who are able to get back what is really happening not the dog and pony shows with Shays and that bunch.
October 26th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI am wondering why we aren’t hearing from Michael Ware anymore? Has the White House managed to shut him up? Really quiet all of a sudden. I also wonder if we are losing troops and that too is being kept quiet. Nothing is beyond this rotten group in the White House.
October 26th, 2007 at 4:46 pmI just don’t see Bush being able to hold on for another term….too many have had their eyes opened. Most of the America and the World would like him gone today with his pet pit bull Cheney.
October 26th, 2007 at 5:02 pmI just don’t see Bush being able to hold on for another term….too many have had their eyes opened. Most of the America and the World would like him gone today with his pet pit bull Cheney.
Comment by texaslady
I agree with the Lady from Texas. That would be the last straw, even for the “distracted” American electorate. I wouldn’t put it past bush to try though. He is delusional.
October 26th, 2007 at 5:04 pm#167 Delusional would be a kind word about Bush…those who interview him are amazed that he shows no interest, doesn’t ask questions. Seems to be great at memorizing short clips, but can’t answer any questions that are off the cuff. It is really like he has a chip in his head that someone programs each night for the following day. Guess we need to know who is doing the programing.
October 26th, 2007 at 5:21 pm#167 - Manchurian Candidate comes to mind when watching Bush.
October 26th, 2007 at 5:22 pmimorgan82, I think the reason the Washington Post comes under more and more criticism from lefty media watchdogs is partly that it is not the same WaPo for which it got its reputation. It has drifted to the right in the last 15 years and especially during the last few years. Check out The Daily Howler some time for some examples on how the WaPo worked hard to get Bush elected in 2000 by slamming Gore so relentlessly and dishonestly that the British magazine The Economist acutally published an article citing the hostile reporting and asking the rhetorical question, ‘what was going on?’
October 26th, 2007 at 5:26 pmIt doesn’t make any sense to prevent war under certain circuumstances. Actions like the one we should be doing in Iran right now, should be swift and decisive.
Comment by hits — October 26, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
swift and decisive when talking about iran mixes like oil and water. iran will be waiting for us at the border unlike iraq. the entire country will revolt unlike afghan. such smart scholars we have here. iran are a million strong unlike us. so you must support a draft…….that is the only way another invasion and occupation will survive. so we all expect you to be first in line to get your bdu’s and delivering your toughness unlike behind the comfort of your house talking big.
October 26th, 2007 at 5:44 pmThe Washington Post with many other medias have strong conservative interests on their Board of Directors. Interesting to look at the names and their connections from the FCC to the owners of the many media channels. CNN used to be more objective under Ted Turner, no more. I am amazed that Jack Cafferty is allowed to voice his opinion freely. He admits to being a Koolaide drinker until he began to see what havoc this WH is creating to America.
There also used to be a law limiting the amount of media one owner could have, Trent Lott helped to re-write that Bill late one night. R. Murdock then publish Lott’s book. Another coincidence.
It is more than sad that we have no independent journalism anymore.
October 26th, 2007 at 5:50 pm“War is fear cloaked in courage.”
~General William Westmoreland
“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.”
~General Smedley Butler
“For me war has become a flat, black depression without highlights, a revulsion of the mind and an exhaustion of the spirit.”
~Ernie Pyle
“Military glory–that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood–that serpent’s eye, that charms to destroy…”
~Abraham Lincoln
“The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions.”
~Robert Lynd
“Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.”
~James Madison
October 26th, 2007 at 6:50 pmThere we are folks. On the side of caution, I give you two famous generals, a legendary war hero, the consensus greatest American President, a world-renowned American sociologist and one of our Founders and early Presidents.
On the side of rushing to war, we have the worst President in history, his fascist side-kicks and a legion of slavish, moronic psyco-cultists well-represented on these boards today.
October 26th, 2007 at 7:09 pmSince now Bush doesn’t even try to do something that would make him look good, are his handlers now throwing him under the train since they no longer need him?
October 26th, 2007 at 7:20 pmAt this point, I don’t think they care as much about making him look good as they do trying to salvage whatever political advantage they might have in domestic 2008 elections. At this point, the 2008 election is looking brutal, even to repub strategists. Some of them think Dems will have 58 Senate seats and 260 House seats as well as the presidency. They probably think their only chance is to have another war going on and lean on the fear and warmongering. Some people think the Iraq war was partly about domestic politics - helping Bush win reelection, so some people think it’s worked before.
October 26th, 2007 at 8:02 pm#33 Comment by Veritas — October 26, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
I can’s seem to wrap the metaphysical side of my mind around the fact that it was somehow karmically necessary to install a man who was totally unqualified into this position via rigged elections and then have it occur again four years later so he can “finish the jobâ€. What lesson does this country have yet to learn in this sick twist of fate?
Lessons to learn? How about the arrogance of believing that we are better than all the rest of the people in the world. Or our delusional belief that we have the “right” to invade other countries, assasinate their leaders and steal their resources. The list of this country’s arrogant schoolyard bullying is endemic. Kennedy’s “Bay of Pigs,” Raygun’s Iran Contra Affair and our constant meddling in countries south of our border are a few. It goes on and on back through history.
We the people elect our leaders, and then approve of their deception, lying, and arrogance. Later still we justify these actions, rewriting history to make us look blameless. (Who us??? It was the other guy that is wrong here. We were justified to attack, or what ever… We are seeing this happening again with the talk of invading Iran. Create a “straw man” and then knock it down.)
I no longer believe in Karma, but it is the most plausable and easily understandable scenario for the answer to your question. We have obvious lessons to learn. We are not learning them, and need to be shown in a powerful manner what we are doing wrong. The fantasy of Pax Americana and its downfall is that lesson.
October 26th, 2007 at 8:48 pm#174 Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — October 26, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
On the side of rushing to war, we have the worst President in history, his fascist side-kicks and a legion of slavish, moronic psyco-cultists well-represented on these boards today.
Amen! Col. Jack! On the money and well said!
October 26th, 2007 at 8:54 pm#175 Comment by texaslady — October 26, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Since now Bush doesn’t even try to do something that would make him look good, are his handlers now throwing him under the train since they no longer need him?
Bush’s legacy was always the province of his own fantasy. His handlers are concerned about greed and power, not his real remembrance in history. He is totally expendable, however, he still has value to them. (i.e. continuing the pursuit of the ME resourses-corporate control of oil-and gaining a footprint (military bases from which security of that oil is assured) there. Continuing the “forever war” strategy in Iran. Expanding the power of the presidency over the other branches. Securing more control over the SCOTUS. The list is endless it seems.
Bush is valuable because he is so easily manipulated. (Through his megalomania and his religious fervor.) He sold his soul to the devil years ago, and will say and do anything his handlers want him to. Through him, they can push the envelope in every area, with very little price to pay themselves. They own him, and his legacy means nothing.
October 26th, 2007 at 9:13 pmOne prevents war with diplomacy. Sanctions are an act of war.
Black is white, evil is good and war is peace. This is a dog bites man story. When hasn’t the Bush administration tried making the silk purse out of a sows ear. Well, it doesn’t work this time either. An act of war does not “prevent” war as it is war.
October 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmIt’s easy to be a “Commander in Chief” giving war orders from a comfortable rocking chair in an oval Office. As we can see, it doesn’t even require any Intelligence…
It’s different having to negociate with other world leaders that may disagree with “US policies for the world.”
Diplomacy? HAHA, this requires getting the ass off that chair and landing in Teeran to talk to the “evil guy”.
But, who has the courage to do this? It’s easier to use the KGB_sh to spy on Americans illegally and to lie again about WMD - this time involving Iran.
I bet bombing Iran is already a done deal, just waiting for the real Commander-in-Cheney… to push the button!
Does Halliburton have a “reconstruction contract” yet???
What about Chevron???
And Lockeed-Martin?
Security won’t be a problem, believe me. BLACKWATER will be in charge….
October 27th, 2007 at 6:12 pm