Fox Panel: Dems Are ‘Terribly Weak’ If They Don’t Threaten ‘Devastating Military Strike’ Against Iran
Fox Panel: Dems Are ‘Terribly Weak’ If They Don’t Threaten ‘Devastating Military Strike’ Against Iran
Earlier this week, the Bush administration ratcheted up its rhetoric towards Iran, imposing unilateral sanctions that are considered the “broadest set of punitive measures imposed on Tehran since 1979.” The White House also requested $88 million to equip B-2 “stealth” bombers with a new 30,000-pound bunker buster, which is being seen by members of Congress as a “sign of plans for an attack on Iran.”
On Fox News Sunday today, Fox’s Brit Hume and the Weekly Standard’s William Kristol enthusiasticly endorsed the new pro-war posturing, calling it “useful for Iran to believe that this administration will stop at nothing to keep it from getting a nuclear weapon.”
Hume claimed that it “make[s] sense” to threaten Iran with “a devastating military strike,” adding that Iran probably wants Democrats to be “in charge” because they look “terribly weak” in criticizing the “alleged saber rattling”:
Doesn’t it make sense that you want Iran to believe that if you keep this up, they might be the subject of a devastating military strike of the kind that only the United States of America can mount. I would think so. And it seems to me when you have Democrats running around, wringing their hands about alleged saber rattling that it makes them look terribly weak, and in the end if you’re the head of Iran, you think, “well, we want those people in charge.”
Discussing the bunker buster, Kristol said it was “ludicrous” and “ridiculous” for the administration to explain why it wants the new bomb because “there might be others that we want to bomb, not just in Iran.” Watch it:
Hume and Kristol’s bellicose rhetoric is actually counterproductive to finding a diplomatic solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions. The increasing talk of bombing Iran is thwarting U.N. efforts to forge international consensus, as other nations worry their vote could be “exploited” to support military action. The inability to find common ground then precipitates unilateral actions by the U.S. and sets the stage for military confrontation.
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Only fools advocate for another war, so Republicans are certified fools. Democrats who join them are certified stupid > PERIOD.
October 28th, 2007 at 12:52 pmTo paraphrase the "Meet The Press" tagline, "If it's Sunday, it's Bill Kristol bloviating."
(Btw, did Kristol conveniently ignore Pooty-Poots threat that an attack on Iran is an attack on Russia?)
October 28th, 2007 at 12:57 pmBrit Hume and Bill Kristol are both Deputy Ministers of Propaganda serving under Herr Rove.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:08 pmWho Would Jesus Bomb...?
October 28th, 2007 at 1:08 pmOh, it's the 'fun bunch', again.
∞
October 28th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThe only way to stop this pending war with iran, is to Impeach the President and Vice President before it is too late! The only obstacle to that is Nancy Pelosi. She must, and CAN be removed during session!
I have written my Representative and Kucinich, and I ask you to do the same. Once Pelosi sees that we will have her removed, she will change her tune about impeachment!
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/remove-the-obstacles-of-impeachment/
October 28th, 2007 at 1:12 pmDiscussing the bunker buster, Kristol said it was “ludicrous†and “ridiculous†for the administration to explain why it wants the new bomb because “there might be others that we want to bomb, not just in Iran.â€
He's insane.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:13 pmthe above link shows the process and the reasoning behind it. Sorry for being kind-of off topic, but we have to impeach this administration before they attack another country illegally.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pmOh yes, Kristol's a genius of the first order. Even the venerable London Times draws a comparison to the current situation and Dr Strangelove.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk
October 28th, 2007 at 1:21 pmFor the trolls, in case you dont find the relevant article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2753953.ece
October 28th, 2007 at 1:22 pm"Warning: Suspected serial trolls TCDon and Exley have violated this site with their presence today"
Would you be interested in helping Troll Buster? The reason I ask is because it's apparent that you have adapted my method to inform fellow progessives as to the identities of today's trolls.
Progessives:
October 28th, 2007 at 1:24 pmPlease do not feed a troll's ego. They are here only to disrupt these bogs. If outed and ignored they will either leave or make fools of themselves. It's a win/win situation.
Let's take this blog back from the trolls and once again have the right to enjoy civil discourse and free speach.
So, if an administration is not engaged in contineous wars..then according to Fox pundits this administration is called 'soft',and 'weak'.
So to these people,for America to look 'tough',then America should always be fighting wars...!!
What kind of logic is this? !!
October 28th, 2007 at 1:24 pm#10, Interesting article, doro.
For those who do not read the full article, here is a summation that appears at the end of the article:
The pros and cons of launching an attack on Iran
The arguments for
- Protects Israel from a potential nuclear holocaust. President Ahmadinejad has stated that Israel will be wiped off the map
- Reduces the risk to the West of a “dirty†bomb in big cities. Iran is a sponsor of terrorist groups such as Hezbollah
- Forestalls the development of Iranian long-range nuclear missiles aimed at Europe and America
- Prevents Iran from intimidating or attacking its Sunni Arab neighbours
- Creates the space for potential regime change and installation of a pro-western government in Tehran
The arguments against
- Sets back Iran’s nuclear ambitions by only a few years. US intelligence has not mapped out all the potential Iranian nuclear sites
- Unleashes a wave of attacks on Israel and the West by Hezbollah and other terrorist proxy groups Closes the Strait of Hormuz, sending oil prices soaring above $100 a barrel and possibly creating a global economic crisis
- Destabilises Iraq, plunging the country into a new round of terror, creating further regional instability
- Creates a global public relations disaster. Intensifies antiAmericanism which critics argue that President Bush has made worse. Fosters a new generation of fundamentalist militants and terrorists
October 28th, 2007 at 1:28 pmComment by willyloman — October 28, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
I would LOVE to see Nancy PollLoser out of office. She made me proud to be the first female Speaker, but, she has been as spineless as one can imagine!!
At a time when the citizens of this country are crying out for impeachment and the rest of the world is watching to see if we can get our sh|t together and correct this corrupt regime of facist and regain some small amount of credibility in the world; which is watching us, hoping for us to correct this crap.
And Nancy just sits there doing nothing. NOTHING!!! We are being robbed, spied on and generally trampled by GW Botch and Nancy "The Useless" PollLoser does NOTHING.
She might as well being reading an upside down copy of "My Pet Goat!!!!"
Why do I call her PollLoser? American dissatisfaction with Congress is directly related to PollLosers refusal to impeach either Cheney or Botch. Gawddamnit, just impeach Cheney if you don't want to go after GW Botch!!! DO SOMETHING!!!!
October 28th, 2007 at 1:36 pmExley is a KNOWN serial troll. Do not feed his ego by responding
October 28th, 2007 at 1:37 pmMight I suggest its “weak†to let the republicans continue to define what is weak, and what is not?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — October 28, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
Excellent....
October 28th, 2007 at 1:41 pmThe troll feeds on attention and it's sole purpose is to hijack this blog.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pmTrolls do not understand irony and the more they rant, the more they reinforce the perception of the right as being dangerous to both freed speach and democracy.
The resident FAUX chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmongering, cowards, Kristol and Hume are yet to be right about anything. It is like believing the thugs in this crime family...they were right about so much in Iraq, we have to believe their lies this time. Who watches these morons?
October 28th, 2007 at 1:44 pmI'm with you dixie blood. Pelosi and Condi are both a disgrace to women. And I rather have a male speaker who does something that Nancy any day.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:44 pmOnly a reich-winger could possibly think that peace is a terrible thing.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:44 pmWhat Kristol and Hume have to say about ANTHING is about as important as what Rocky and Bullwinkle have to say about it.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:46 pmFOX is State Sponsored TV.
Juan Williams is a part of that, too.
Juan Williams is why I did not give $$$ to NPR this season.
And I let them know.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:46 pmOnly a reich-winger could possibly think that peace is a terrible thing.
Comment by Dr. Matt — October 28, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
No profit in peace.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThose who can do, those who can't bloviate on Fox News. Those who can do nothing, watch Fox News.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:47 pmDiscussing the bunker buster, Kristol said it was “ludicrous†and “ridiculous†for the administration to explain why it wants the new bomb because “there might be others that we want to bomb, not just in Iran.â€
He’s insane.
Comment by Zooey — October 28, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
He thinks he's an evil genius, like "Pinky and the Brain", Kristol and the PNAC crew ( Cheney, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, etc) want to take over the world, don'cha know?
Kristol is just doing his part of their plan.
Since it is so close to Halloween, the PNAC web site fits the season, because if you read it, it is pretty fcking scary how far along they are in their plan to make the United States of America into the Fascist Neocon Empire of "OH Sh!t".
October 28th, 2007 at 1:47 pmFascist Neocon Empire of “OH Sh!tâ€.
Comment by Wayne — October 28, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
FNEOS?
:-D
October 28th, 2007 at 1:49 pmFNEOS?
:-D
Comment by Zooey — October 28, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Hmmm, need a word that starts with K, to make it FK'NEOS..
LOL
October 28th, 2007 at 1:52 pmOh, but of course if we bomb the sh*t out of Iran, the Iranian people will welcome us with flowers and candy!
And then they'll immediately toss Ahmanutjob out on his ear along with all the mullahs! The Iranians will all convert immediately to Christianity -- and peace, prosperity and democracy will reign forever and ever!
.
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Yes, pigs fly and I'm the Pope.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pmFascist Kook Empire of "Oh Shit"
FK'NEOS.
Heh.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pmDiscussing the bunker buster, Kristol said it was “ludicrous†and “ridiculous†for the administration to explain why it wants the new bomb because “there might be others that we want to bomb, not just in Iran.â€
Bullies do not stop until somebody punches them back. Then they go whimpering off. So, if Kristol means, Syria, North Korea, Russia, and China are on the "hit list", one or two of them are going to belt the USA back. Sad, because this country was not supposed to be an invader and occupier.
BTW, Pelosi should be impeached for simply being an AIPAC whore, and not stopping these rabid administration. Kucinich and Ron Paul should enact proceedings ASAP, before it is too late.
October 28th, 2007 at 1:54 pmFascist Kook Neocon Empire of “Oh Shitâ€
FK’NEOS.
=)
October 28th, 2007 at 1:55 pmOops. :|
How could I forget frickin' Neocon?
October 28th, 2007 at 1:57 pmAnd then they’ll immediately toss Ahmanutjob out on his ear along with all the mullahs! The Iranians will all convert immediately to Christianity — and peace, prosperity and democracy will reign forever and ever!
Then they will concentrate their efforts on the people of the USA. Pagans, Democrats, Atheists, Feminists, Environmentalists, Buddhists, Hindus, Nudists, Vegetarians, Progressives, Liberals, the ACLU, and Union Members will all be converted to Fundamentalist Christians that believe Jesus was a War Monger.
Oh Boy!! I'm looking forward to that!! YIPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
October 28th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThis is the country and people Brit Hume and William Kristol want to bomb. Nothing less could be expected from these two cowards!
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/inside-iran-city-life.html...
October 28th, 2007 at 2:01 pmBTW, Pelosi should be impeached for simply being an AIPAC whore, and not stopping these rabid administration. Kucinich and Ron Paul should enact proceedings ASAP, before it is too late.
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — October 28, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Pelosi can be impeached for violating the Oath of Office, if someone has the guts ( doubtfull ) to bring the charge, in the least, have her step down and let someone who has some honor their words/deeds take the seat.
Watch for pigs to sprout wings soon. Don't forget your umbrellas.
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October 28th, 2007 at 2:03 pmFascist Neocon Empire of “OH Sh!tâ€.
Comment by Wayne — October 28, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
Wayne, you need to copyright this.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:04 pmWayne,
If you didn't see it above, check out Willy Loman's latest post about dumping Pelosi.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pmAnd then they’ll immediately toss Ahmanutjob out on his ear along with all the mullahs! The Iranians will all convert immediately to Christianity — and peace, prosperity and democracy will reign forever and ever!
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 28, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
They get really happy with us after about one million of them die untimely deaths. But hey, who wouldn't?
October 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pmOops. :|
How could I forget frickin’ Neocon?
Comment by Zooey — October 28, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Wishful thinking maybe?
Wouldn't we all like to forget the neocons......
October 28th, 2007 at 2:07 pmOh Boy!! I’m looking forward to that!! YIPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — October 28, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
You forgot about how all homosexuals will become straight.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:07 pmYeah, just think of all those flowers and candy they'll be throwing our way!!
Makes me tingle allllllll over just *thinking* about it!!
October 28th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWishful thinking maybe?
Wouldn’t we all like to forget the neocons……
Comment by Wayne — October 28, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
That must be it. I'm just trying to block out the batshit insane flying monkeys. :-)
October 28th, 2007 at 2:09 pmSure Leftside Annie, they'll probably have a ticker tape parade for us when they get to the one million dead marker.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:09 pmBTW, is anyone else loving TP's new guy, Matt, as much as I am?
So snarky! But so smart.
I'm pretty sure if he told me to go to hell, I'd be asking directions. ;)
October 28th, 2007 at 2:13 pmOh Boy!! I’m looking forward to that!! YIPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — October 28, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
You forgot about how all homosexuals will become straight.
Comment by Shayne — October 28, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
I sure did......But then again, what will half of the priests and the GOP do?
October 28th, 2007 at 2:18 pmIf you didn’t see it above, check out Willy Loman’s latest post about dumping Pelosi.
Comment by Zooey — October 28, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Thanks
October 28th, 2007 at 2:20 pmGood article Willy wrote, left my mark in the comments.
I sure did……But then again, what will half of the priests and the GOP do?
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — October 28, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Now thats a scary thought. Quick, lockup the children!
October 28th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI sure did……But then again, what will half of the priests and the GOP do?
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — October 28, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
I don't know about the priests but the GOP can spend less time in the men's room.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:28 pmOur "intelligence" on Iran is by most accounts poor. We do know that we have little support internationally for attacking Iran. Our military is also by most accounts weakened to the point that we may have difficulty sustaining an extended battle. The Iranians are led by zealots and supported by extremists. They likely can mobilize those to commit international acts of terrorism. We still haven't even gotten Osama. Our economy remains dependent on stability in the oil markets. Our administration has almost no popular support left in this country and less in the world. We cannot trust them to be truthful and many are regularily proven corrupt. We remain ill prepared to address inevitable natural disasters. We are deeply in debt to nations with adverse interests especially China. The future two trillion Iraq will cost us even if we left today will increase that debt. We are having trouble educating, feeding and providing for the health of our children and elderly. Even the midle class is having trouble paying for gas, electricity and heating fuel. Our veteran care is in shambles. We still have no solution to our Social Security program shortfall. Our workers are working more hours for less pay. A third of Americans are considered under extreme stress. Our currency is steadily losing value throughout the world. Our housing market threatens us with a depression. The disparity between the wealthy few and the rest grows every year. Our food supply and other goods are no longer safe. These supplies also largely come from other countries. We no longer can feed our country with what we produce and even our produce regularily is contaminated. Likewise much of what we need for war like steel and titanium comes from overseas and our own industries are crumbling. We have deadly infections spreading that resist antibiotics. Our borders are more porous than a sieve. We have billions invested detecting threats like shoes and toothpaste tubes but can't prevent terrorists from shipping in or smuggling in dangerous materials by land, sea and air. Even with all the bizzare measures at our airports tests show that three out of four security threats go undetected. The internet, cell phones and mass media allow our enemies to communicate regardless our having stripped ourselves of civil liberties. Our bridges, roads, and elctrical grid are all in dirsrepair. Climate change threatens our coastal cities. We face water shortages. With modern knowledge and science many readily available substances (matches, fertilizer, diesel fuel, chlorine, propane cylinders too name a few) can be used to wreak havoc and kill many. We have many mentally ill homeless on the streets, children with little supervision, guns in the hands of dangerous lunatics, high rates of alcohlism and drug abuse. I sppose I have left out quite a few of our problems but who could list or read them in the time that our psychopath in chief and his vice remain if office.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pmSo our priority must be to go to war with Iran , right?
Shayne, did you hear Sen Craig now goes through Denver instead of Minneapolis? He must prefer the more rugged men's room lurkers. ;)
October 28th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThe arguments for
- Protects Israel from a potential nuclear holocaust. President Ahmadinejad has stated that Israel will be wiped off the map
- Reduces the risk to the West of a “dirty†bomb in big cities. Iran is a sponsor of terrorist groups such as Hezbollah
- Forestalls the development of Iranian long-range nuclear missiles aimed at Europe and America
- Prevents Iran from intimidating or attacking its Sunni Arab neighbours
- Creates the space for potential regime change and installation of a pro-western government in Tehran
Comment by Exley — October 28, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
So they want to start a war with Iran based on conjecture, speculation and their wild imagination?
October 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pmHow politically tone deaf is Nancy PollLoser?
She doesn't even talk tough!
She never mentions possible criminal charges after Botch leaves office.
She never mentions that war crimes have been committed and we should refer Botch and Cheney to The Hague for prosecution.
She doesn't even find a way to raise money and light up the base from any of this corruption.
She actually has people asking for her removal with less than 2 years in office.
She is a political moron!!! Speaker Nancy "Bimbo" PollLoser!!
October 28th, 2007 at 2:32 pmOur “intelligence†on Iran is by most accounts poor.
Comment by rehbock — October 28, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Now that wouldn't have anything to do with losing the intelligence asset of Brewster & Jennings, when Plame got exposed by some traitor that Bush promised to fire if discovered, would it?
October 28th, 2007 at 2:34 pmAdd the usual GOP mantra of Guns God and Flag + Dems is Fags luvers + wrong on immigration and pussy's on terrorists = GOP Victory in 2008
Hey that formula works every time. HILL knows it - she voted for IRAN WAR (ah I mean diplomacy hehe) Obama chickenedd out on the vote(I mean absent hehe).
The HILL vs RUDY battle that we didn't get for NY Senate in 2000 (Rudy's affair and ugly family life/wife was uncovered then) gets major coverage now as the Battle of the Century! - a MEDIA wet dream to be sure.
BushCO is guaranteed to deliver on IRAN (for Rudy and GOP 2008) by next summer. It's the only way he can appease the restless neoCONS and save his ass with them. Plus Cheney is running the show and It's a GO BABY!
Pres. Giuliani and VP Haley Barbour (Cheney's evil corrupt twin brother) take office 1-20-2009.
Hail to the Chief. America's 200 year Democracy over.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:34 pmThe Sicko Neo-Fascists beat the drum for war - ba-room! Just a shame that they're so transparent in their war mongering efforts to fill their own cofferes with "war gold". Sick.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:45 pmSo they want to start a war with Iran based on conjecture, speculation and their wild imagination?
Comment by Nat — October 28, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Of course they do, Nat. You have to ask ...?
This BS has absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with spreading democracy, keeping us safe from terrorists, or stopping a nuclear Iran...not one single blessed thing.
It's all about the war machine - and the PROFITS that come from war.
When there are vast profits to be made, neither American nor Iranian lives mean a thing to these greedy sick bastards. It's the money. Vast amounts of money. Oceans of money.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:46 pmI fear that Nancy Pelosi is a Repuglican in disguise. She's ineffective in her position and needs to be brought up on charges of "obstruction of justice" in the people's demand for the impeachment of Bush & Cheney.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:47 pmOr perhaps it's simply the blackmail going on. Since Nancy employes illegal aliens in her winery, I guess they've got plenty on her to out.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:47 pmI sincerley thank all the progessives who ignored the troll exley's bait and did not respond. Trolls can be contained and then eventually exploited to advance our message.
Please do not feed the serial trolls.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:50 pmShayne, did you hear Sen Craig now goes through Denver instead of Minneapolis? He must prefer the more rugged men’s room lurkers. ;)
Comment by Zooey — October 28, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
You mean ... flannel shirts? That probably makes Larry all sweaty just thinking about it.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:52 pmIf my wife was speaker of the House and Dick Cheney got anywhere near her she would break his jaw. She would go to jail but Cheney would have his filthy mouth wired shut for two months.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:53 pmShayne, did you hear Sen Craig now goes through Denver instead of Minneapolis? He must prefer the more rugged men’s room lurkers. ;)
Comment by Zooey — October 28, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
I hope it's true. That's my home airport and I don't want that Craig creep anywhere near me when I'm using the bathroom there.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:55 pmI fear that Nancy Pelosi is a Repuglican in disguise. She’s ineffective in her position and needs to be brought up on charges of “obstruction of justice†in the people’s demand for the impeachment of Bush & Cheney.
Comment by Veritas — October 28, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
And I fear Hillary is a Rethug in disguise. I think she posed as a Democrat to keep bill interested but once she's President she'll know she has him cornered and give up the charade.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThat’s my home airport and I don’t want that Craig creep anywhere near me when I’m using the bathroom there.
Comment by VerbalKint — October 28, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
When you hear feet tapping just assume they're not listening to their Ipod and ruuunnnnnn.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:58 pmLaura Bush's interview was fantastic, especially when asked about Hill'reh's candidacy for President. She stated with such glee that she would be voting for the Republican.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:58 pmBeen there and done that in regard to Iraq. Today's sanctions on Iran is as phoney as Bush getting UN inspectors in Iraq. Both are nothing but fig leaves while military planning goes on unchecked.
The inspectors in Iraq ploy backfired as they found no weapons. Bush got around that little inconvience by declaring numerous times that Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in leaving us with no other choice but to invade. Conjuring up some other falsehood for Iran will not be a problem for Bush as the Iraq example clearly demonstrates.
War as first resort will simply lead to a disaster on another front. That cannot be allowed to happen. I hope Reid and Pelosi are paying attention.
October 28th, 2007 at 2:58 pmI hope Reid and Pelosi are paying attention.
Comment by DallasNE — October 28, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
They are not!!! Both are asleep at the wheel!! Lights on, nobody home! Elevator doesn't reach the top floor! One toy short of a Happy Meal! Only one oar in the water!! A sandwich short of a picnic!
Look at PollLoser and Reid "The Meek" and then look at the intellect that Sen. Webb (D-VA) brings to the table. Need I say more?????????
October 28th, 2007 at 3:07 pmIt’s all about the war machine - and the PROFITS that come from war.
Comment by Leftside Annie — October 28, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Don't forget Oil.
October 28th, 2007 at 3:11 pmDon’t forget Oil.
Comment by Nat — October 28, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
And a whole bunch of Oi, Vai thanks to AIPAC!!!
October 28th, 2007 at 3:44 pm.
Creating multiple "CHERNOBYL'S" in Iran is a good thing?
Essentially, bombing ANY Nuclear plant with bunker busters would produce the very same effect that Chernobyl had. LONG TERM - SLOW DEATH TO MILLIONS!
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October 28th, 2007 at 3:59 pmProgessives:
Please do not feed a troll’s ego. They are here only to disrupt these bogs. If outed and ignored they will either leave or make fools of themselves. It’s a win/win situation.
Let’s take this blog back from the trolls and once again have the right to enjoy civil discourse and free speach.
Comment by troll buster — October 28, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
I agree with the advice to ignore them, but they are NOT trolls. They are government-paid (i.e. Pentagon/DoD) PSYOPS, whose job it is to LIE,
deflect, and OBFUSCATE the TRUTH about the WAR CRIMES and EVIL that TRAITOR Bush and his CRIMINALS have committed and still do..
The pentagon had declared WAR on the Internet, because it houses the TRUTH that they can't STOP. But they're TRYING. READ:
http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/
October 28th, 2007 at 4:04 pmArn Gunnutes @73
All I know is that they are a nuisance and disrupt free speach. If we all work together, they will be nuetered.
October 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pmBrit Hume is a total joke as a "news anchor" at Fox "News".
October 28th, 2007 at 4:10 pmCan you imagine a news anchor at any respectable news network behaving in such a blatantly partisan manner as Hume?
He's nothing but a political prostitute and should drop the "anchor" moniker. He's more aptly labeled a "Republican operative posing as a news man".
Arn Gunnutes @73
All I know is that they are a nuisance and disrupt free speach. If we all work together, they will be nuetered.
Comment by troll buster — October 28, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Good start. But WHY say "all I know". YOU and others don't seemed to be concerned that you are NOT speaking with TROLLS, but Pentagon/DoD
agents whose JOB it is to disrupt AND monitor...
Have you READ any of the reports linked? They are DECLASSIFIED DoD
documents obtained by FOIA Doesn't THAT bother you enough to have more concern than "all I know is..."?
http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
October 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pmOctober 28th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Brit Hume:
W = White
October 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pmH = House
O = Opinion
R = Reading
E = Employee
Kudos to you, troll buster. This action is long overdue.
Thanks.
October 28th, 2007 at 6:13 pm- Protects Israel from a potential nuclear holocaust. President Ahmadinejad has stated that Israel will be wiped off the map
This has been proven to be a lie. The translation is referring to the government of Israel. And we are preventing a nuclear holocaust 10 years from now? It is more likely that Israel will drop one on Iran than it is that Iran will drop one on Israel. How many countries has Iran invaded lately? Now, how many has Israel?
- Reduces the risk to the West of a “dirty†bomb in big cities. Iran is a sponsor of terrorist groups such as Hezbollah
We are in danger of this happening much more from Pakistan than from Iran. And Pakistan has the ability TODAY! Don't hear any saber rattling about Pakistan, though.
- Forestalls the development of Iranian long-range nuclear missiles aimed at Europe and America
If in fact that Iran is interested in long rage nuclear missiles. And, again, this is maybe 10 years in the future, not tomorrow!
- Prevents Iran from intimidating or attacking its Sunni Arab neighbours
Oh really? I don't see Iran intimidating or attacking it's Sunni Arab neighbors. I do see Turkey intimidating and attacking the Kurds and I have seen Israel intimidating and attacking the Palestinians. Haven't seen anyone threaten to attack either of those countries for their aggressive actions, though.
- Creates the space for potential regime change and installation of a pro-western government in Tehran
Who in the hell do we think we are deciding who can and cannot run an independent country. What you are talking about is the occupation of Iran the way we are occupying Iraq. Then we can "install" our own government.
Potential arguments against:
Do we really want to start World War III. Do we really want to piss off Russia and China (who virtually owns us these days)?
There is no reason to threaten Iran. And the only reason why Bush is not conducting diplomacy is because he is afraid that it will work and the situation will be diffused. Then what will he have to be the Decider Guy about?
October 28th, 2007 at 6:37 pmComment by Billy Hill — October 28, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
If you have a point to make, BH, then just make it. Your attempt at cleverness is not working.
October 28th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWilliam Kristol, a Zionist war monger.
October 28th, 2007 at 9:31 pmPerhaps if Israel disarmed its nuclear arsenal, the one they developed in spite of John Kennedy's demands to the contrary, the one at Dimona, the one they've denied the existence of for decades and for which they threw one of their technicians into solitary confinement for YEARS for revealing the existence of, maybe then we might not be seeing an arms race in the Middle East (if, in fact, that is what we are seeing at all!)
But Kristol is most disgusting in his ill-concealed glee at the prospect of more dead Arabs. He can hardly contain himself he is so drunk with power.
We already know that Dems are weak. Look at how Iran treated Carter, compared to how Reagan brought down the Berlin wall. Why is this news?
Comment by TCDon — October 28, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
How Carter treated Iran? You mean refusing to negotiate for hostages? Compared to RayGun, that negotiated as a candidate (treason) with the terrorists, and then gave them weapons, etc., to return the hostages? Yeah, REALLY STRONG!!!
As for brought down the wall? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA, such a stupid claim! The east germans opened the wall, and that had very little to do with the US. But don't let legitimate history interfere with your partisan hackaries and MYTHS!!!
October 28th, 2007 at 11:26 pmthat's the capper for the rightards; they actually believe president alzheimers accomplished anything but the destruction of the middle class and the massive increase of debt. pretty numb, those repukes.
October 29th, 2007 at 12:29 amGood heavens, Bill Kristol is smug. Especially for someone who has been consistently and demonstrably wrong about every major foreign policy issue in the past 20 years.
October 29th, 2007 at 3:27 amBrit Hume is employing typical playground rhetoric -- attempt to discredit another by ridiculing him for refusing to do something absolutely stupid, like lick a frozen flagpole.
It's a sign of maturity to refuse to meet the challenge of stupidity, and just shrug off the taunting and the "triple dog dares." Bombing Iran is like licking a frozen flagpole. Just like invading Iraq was.
We need to have better reasons to invade other countries than playground taunts from the bullies.
October 29th, 2007 at 8:23 amGood heavens, Bill Kristol is smug. Especially for someone who has been consistently and demonstrably wrong about every major foreign policy issue in the past 20 years.
Comment by Jim — October 29, 2007 @ 3:27 am
Bill Kristol is smug because he knows he doesn't HAVE to be right. He has a cult-like base who hangs on every word he says because it plays to bigotry, a false sense of superiority, and testosterone that needs some kind of outlet.
As long as Kristol is able to tell his base what they want to hear, he's got a job. I doubt his fan club really cares about whether Kristol's ravings are ever proven to have any substance.
October 29th, 2007 at 8:27 amAs usual Brit and that chicken hawn Kristal are trumpeting war but never served a day not to mention one hour in a real uniform. These idiots sit around in their big air conditioned offices and figure out these stupid positions, while knowing full well they aren't going to get any blood on their 1500 dollar suit. If they did, they'd piss on on themselves. But I will admit I advocated attacking Iran years ago, before we invaded Iraq. The reason for my op-ed was I felt Iran was the real threat, and not Sadam.
Unlike Sadam who may have believed he had nuclear weapons, Iran is trying to obtain them. But attacking them when our troops are bogged down in Iraq is not a smart move at all and I'll tell you why. First of all, Iran could attack our troops in Iraq by ground and with missles unless we take all of them out. They also could attack Israel and start a war across the entire Middle East. Then the WWIII Bush mentioned could come true. What Brit and that weasel don't understand is, Russia may be drawn into such a conflict on the other side.
Then we are talking about the end of civilization as we know it. Because If Israel were to use a tactical Nuke against Iran, then Russia may take it as an all out attack and become involved before we could get things calmed down. And with the record of this administration which like to shot first and ask no questions later, can they afford to sit by and do nothing. For one, Putin doesn't want to look weak to his countrymen and one miscalculation is all it takes when nuclear weapons are involved. After all you can't call them back once they are fired. There are also so trigger happy people in Pakistan who have access to nuclear weapons who might decide to use them on India, which would prompt them to strike back at Pakistan.
So you see my friends there are all sorts of unintended things that "can and will go wrong" in the words of Fred Thompson in the roll of a navy Admiral in the movie "The hunt for Red October". So it may be poetic justice that all of these things could come to pass if we don't stop listening to fools like Brit Hume and Bill Crybaby Kristal.
October 29th, 2007 at 1:01 pmCommon ground is ruled out by definition by the type of thinking dominant in the US and Israel.
The third rail of US/Israel relations is our shared mythology. We believe in an absolute other that was created to serve us in our effort to impress an absentee-landlord god/king. The way we have treated Indians and Africans and Arabs and Palestinians, respectively, is no aberration. That's what we do.
One day, a Sumerian god came up with the idea of creating a servant race. This underclass would do all the labor, then give all thanks, praise, and riches, to the gods. On another day, Zoroaster came up with the idea of life as holy war to restore a purported golden age. I see these as expressions on the mythological level of our psychophysiology.
We still believe in life as holy war. We believe in a Golden Age, a Fall, an absolutely Other corrupting influence, and a perfectly binary cosmos: you're with us, or against us. You have two choices: fight the good fight, or go to hell, along the way to which we will gladly help you. You've seen the Wm Dafoe/Wynona Ryder version of Miller's _The Crucible_, I presume? We're all composites of good and evil. That's why they won't even conceive of finding common ground: to do so alloys their precious selves with "ee-vil." And this drives those who can't sidestep their binary minds absolutely insane.
Left and Right share these basic assumptions. Even on liberal blogs, if you're not shouting "hooray for our side" loudly enough, you're suspect.
[Side A] --- [Side B]
[Good God Us Me] --- [Evil Devil Them You]
Even a monkey can see that there are things spelled out on either sides of a lines. But do you see the indivisible field around those things? The field in which we find our common ground? That indivisible field is We, the People (if you'll pardon my grammar).
We stand united in divinity just exactly as these words right here are standing in this field right now. E pluribus, unum: Out of Many, Union. We find our common ground in the spaces in between.
But binary thinking doesn't even imagine common ground, let alone see it. You can forget about finding common ground with people who believe a "black or white, evil vs. good" kind of world.
Our psychophysiology and our mythology impose and exaggerate divisions in an essentially indivisible field. What Newton regarded as 'things' we now know are events. And the energy of one event flows freely in and out of all of its neighbors. The glass, therefore, is neither half full nor half empty: it is BOTH, it is self-filling and self-emptying.
Christians in general, especially our dearly beloved Evangelicals, believe in the exclusive sanctity of the Jews and, by extension, themselves. All Others can go to hell. No, make that WILL go to hell, and look how good we are at sending them there!
One needs only count the dead in Iraq on any given day, and ratio that with the living Iraqis allowed into our benighted land, to put the lie to our denial of practicing human sacrifice.
We believe in an absolute Away, in which things like human & radioactive waste and political malfeasance disappear when we make then go 'away.' We are shocked when our self-proclaimed demi-godlike efforts not to kill real people, just to collaterally damage things, end up with such horrific results.
This is unbalanced. This is koyaaniqatsi. This is our mythology. It's no accident or disease or any such thing. This is what we do.
It's a result of binary thinking. It's our brains playing tricks on our minds. Our belief in an absolute Other, our shared belief with Israel in our unique relationship with that Other as our creator god, and our shared assumption of atomized egos ruled by Newtonian mechanics in absolutely empty space, these have spawned the Frankenstein's monster that now chases us as a global juggernaut.
We're burning the black blood of Mother Earth to fuel a monstrous mechanical juggernaut we've sent as our proxy into the fields of our lord in an effort to make ourselves over in the image of the god we made. The fumes from it promise to choke us to death. It crushes and grinds whole peoples under its wheels.
Binary thinking says: 'C'mon, if our victims weren't in the Holy Land, whether that be Rachel Corrie in Israel or the Nez Perce at Wounded Knee, then they wouldn't get crushed under our Caterpillar tractor treads or gunned down en masse, now would they? They shouldn't have been in front of our Gatling guns. It's their fault for being,' according to binary thinking.
Binary thinking is powering the juggernaut that chases us. Thing is, you don't outrun juggernauts, eg., we won't find a scientific, technological solution to global warming. There's one simple solution to the existential threat posed by this planetary juggernaut.
You don't outrun juggernauts. You _sidestep_ them! We must reject the mechanical model of the cosmos. We must bring to fruition a new, organic mythology (which won't be anything new to the First Peoples, now will it?) and midwife ourselves in giving birth to a new civilization, at the same time that we sidestep the mechanical monster we're riding as it crashes to the ground.
The single most important factor in the US/Israel problem is our shared belief in our unique sanctity: we think we and the Jews alone are holy.
God bless America! On to the Holy Land! Death to the Infidels! Blame Canada!
October 30th, 2007 at 6:38 pmFox’s Hawks Brit Hume and the Weekly Standard’s William Kristol are once again ratteling sabers to attack Iran. I find it quite disturbing that most of the Hawks calling for another disastours Preventitive War just like Iraq are actually Chicken-Hawks.
They have never been to war or even served in the armed forces. Just like those idiots Limbaugh and O’reilly who Cheneyed out of service to this country when we where at war in Vietnam. Actually Limbaugh couldn’t even Cheney out because he flunked out of college but got a 4F rating because he had a pimple on his ass.
It is time to put these Chicken-Hawks in their place. War with Iran would be a disaster and would weaken this country militaraly and politiclly for years to come all while they collect heafty salries and send others off to die in a useless neo-convict adventure.
November 1st, 2007 at 1:48 pmReporting Trolls for abuse is working!
And MANY thanks to you, troll buster! The amount of troll dung is down. Please keep up the good work.
On topic:
I'm using the recommendation George Lakoff of The Rockridge Institute and framing my descriptions of the two White House shills as REPUBLICAN Brit Hume and REPUBLICAN William Kristol.
I would LIKE to frame my descriptions of them both as Media Putzes as well, but REPUBLICAN Hume hasn't been awarded the "honor" yet. REPUBLICAN Kristol (http://mediaputz.com/07/07/putz0719.html) HAS!
November 12th, 2007 at 8:01 am