Bush: ‘I Know I Would Respond’ If Iran Were To Attack Israel
Bush: ‘I Know I Would Respond’ If Iran Were To Attack Israel
Before his press conference today, President Bush met exclusively with a group of GOP congressional leaders. According to Fox News, which spoke with some of the members at that discussion, Bush unequivocally promised that he would attack Iran if Iran “were ever to attack Israel.” Bush told the lawmakers, “I know I would respond. … In order for diplomacy to be effective, all options have to be on the table.” Watch it:
The Bush administration continues to publicly insist that it is pursuing a “path of cooperation” with Iran. But behind closed doors, in meetings such as the one today, the White House seems to be charting a different course. David Wurmser, who until recently served as Vice President Cheney’s Middle East adviser, told a “small group of people” that Cheney is pushing for an Israeli attack on Iran:
[T]he magazine quoted David Wurmser, until last month Cheney’s Middle East advisor, as having told a small group of people that “Cheney had been mulling the idea of pushing for limited Israeli missile strikes against the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz — and perhaps other sites — in order to provoke Tehran into lashing out.”
According to the report, “The Iranian reaction would then give Washington a pretext to launch strikes against military and nuclear targets in Iran.“
Bush and Karl Rove also recently met privately with Norman Podhoretz for 45 minutes, listening to his case for war with Iran. Earlier this month, Podhoretz told CSPAN, “I believe President Bush is going to order airstrikes [on Iran] before he leaves office.”
Americans increasingly view a strike on Iran during Bush’s term as inevitable. A new Zogby poll finds that 53 percent of the public believe it is “likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran before the next presidential election.”
Transcript:
HOST: A still picture here from the White House about 90 minutes ago. Before this happened at the podium at the North Portico of the White House, the President was meeting with Republican leaders of the House, and he was asked about Iran and rumors of war. He says, if Iran were to ever attack Israel, “I know I would respond,” making the point that President Bush believes any president would do the same. “In order for diplomacy to be effective, all options have to be on the table.”
With regard to Russia, he said he firmly believes that Vladimir Putin does understand the repercussions of Iran having nuclear weapons, because those weapons, he says, “can fly west and they can fly north.”
At the outset, he told House leaders that my spirit is high, my head is up, and I’m absolutely going to sprint to the finish, and I absolutely want to work with you all the way through. So, that was what was said behind closed doors, leaked to our producers on Capitol Hill through some Republican members of Congress who were in the East Room of the White House.
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How about we drop a bunker-buster on the friggin’ WHITE HOUSE???
October 30th, 2007 at 3:07 pmGee, Rove is still pulling the strings for Bush’s mouth, how did we guess that Rove just retreated to the shadows out of Waxman’s reach.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:10 pmHere comes a false flag attack on Israel.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:11 pmOk next we will hear how Iran’s bogeymen did attack Israel and now the US has to go help defend Israel….only to find out it was Blackwater dressed as Iranians.
That would be a re-play of Vietnam Vets getting spit on only to find it was actually Republicans and their dirty trick game.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:12 pmNow we know how they will do it. False Flag attack on Israel, who we already know are willing to carry out False Flag events anywhere, including the US.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI guess the 51st state of the US (Israel) has more clout than the other 50. And now our military has become their French Foreign Legion.
All the Chickenhawk NeoCons gotta be lovin’ this!
October 30th, 2007 at 3:14 pmNow, why would Iran attack Israel–or did you mean to say “I will respond to Iran if Hezbollah attacks Israel?” In which case, uh-oh. Here it comes.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWhy can’t these Uber Delusiniks just restate the mutually assured destruction doctrine to include Iran.
If the Islamic Republic of Iran acquires and uses nuclear weapons or is responsible for their use by any other group, Tehran will cease to exist.
Instead Dubya has reframed the Monroe Doctrine to include the entire planet.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:16 pmAnd in order for there to be a true democracy based on our constitution, all congressional “options” need to be on the table, Ms. Pelosi! See how Bush dishes it to everyone and yet Pelosi takes things off the table which are not within her limited purview to remove.
I really don’t get it.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:17 pm#4—bush already has a reason….remember…..congress deemed iran as a terrorist state….so according to the his patriot act and military commissions act he can deem ANYONE has a terrorist that is not for his policies. ‘if not with us your against us’……remember that famous quote
October 30th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAnd, Madam Speaker, that would mean putting ‘IMPEACHMENT’ back on the table right now before it’s too late for this flagging democracy run by a dictator.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:17 pmIf Bush would only read the Zogby Poll he would think he has a “mandate” to play Commander in Chief. But he doesn’t read….the polls that is.
Now why would the US need to invade Iran ? Oh, thats right… OIL !
October 30th, 2007 at 3:18 pmAnd how many troops need to die for this country? Well, Tony Snow said it, “its only a number, when troops die.”
Does the fact that the White House propaganda, aided and abetted by Fox and the other news media, has succeeded in convincing 53% that war in Iran is the right thing make it a foregone conclusion -
October 30th, 2007 at 3:18 pma fait accompli?
bs: This latest iran measure is certain to bite madam hillary on her rather plump derriere. Fortunately for her, she found a convenient scapegoat in GWB since he lied to congress to move toward war with Iraq. This time, unjudicious Hillary will have nothing to cower behind with her “pro” vote on Iran. I can’t believe that the MSM failed to tell the american people that the critical phrase regarding using diplomatic and economic sanctions was removed from the bill without anyone in Congress noting it during press conferences.
Now what does that tell us about what Congress is up to?? No one but John Edwards has the stones to air it.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:20 pmWhat a shame that Republicans can only feel strong when someone else is doing the sacrificing. But if Pelosi lets them get away with it, she is no better.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:20 pmThe question remains: Which presidential candidates have the most to “gain” from the american military complex/war machine/contractors?? I know that Hillary’s campaign manager has ties to Blackwater. Does she?
October 30th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThey need to keep the oil prices higher, time for fear mongering
October 30th, 2007 at 3:21 pmit’s all about israel folks. israel owns us, they make our foreign policies, we do there dirty work, which is how we pay off some of our debt to them besides writing them a $100+ million dollar check to them each month. until the u.s.a. pulls there head out of israels ass it doesn’t matter who is president the zionists will always rule, why? because they own the monetary banking system.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:21 pmYou know I would love to see a woman President, so many other countries have already done that….however, Hillary is not the one. We will be continuing the path Bush started.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pmOff topic but noteworthy. I just noticed on another site that Rudy still hasn’t broken ties with his firm as he promised to do. He’s also tied to fraud by sitting on the B of D of the pharma co who makes Oxy – and lied to the public in their statements about the drug’s addiction rate. Certainly Rudy knew about this fraudulence and misrepresentation. Besides, Bernie Kerik’s singing like a canary so Rudy will probably be outed on larger crimes when that all hits the fan.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pmJust do it already this is so annoying.
Whopee, we’re all gonna die!
October 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pmtexlady: I fear that you are 100% correct with Hillary. Being a woman myself, there’s nothing more that I would love to see as well; however, with Hillary, we not only have a man in woman’s garb but we have another classic “wolf in sheep’s clothing”. She’s Bush Lite just like her counterpart on the other side of the aisle, Rudy Giuliani. Somehow I think they will both neutralize each other if they become the two candidates – there’s certainly enough disgusting dirt on both of them to be brought to the fore. Then it will come down to someone jumping in to save the day – maybe someone from the Independent side of things??
October 30th, 2007 at 3:25 pm#14….if edwards has a fighting chance he better start yelling into the bull horn. i hope the american folks see hillary for what she is….hitlery.
oooo i can believe it with msm…….who owns the msm…..zionists!!!
October 30th, 2007 at 3:25 pmbs: Sadly, we’re all discovering this reality. Bush made it clear in his campaign speeches that he would support Israel, at all cost. Then the gremlins went to work to rig the voting machines while we slept….it’s going to happen again if people don’t wake up.
http://www.bradblog.com and blackboxvoting.org if you really believe that your vote is sacred. Guess again!
October 30th, 2007 at 3:26 pmhttp://www.blackboxvoting.org is the group who have been investigating all of the voting fraud from the past two elections and who produced the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy”. If you haven’t seen it, it would behoove you to do so before standing in line for hours to vote and then discover that you’ve been scammed.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThere could be another Gulf of Tonkin incident forthcoming, with the U.S. claiming that Iran has attacked Israel or is somehow sanctioning secret raids against American troops in Iraq, to use as an excuse to begin bombing innocent Iranian civilians. Bush’s continued bellicose talk against Iran indicates an urgent need for Congress to begin impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney as quickly as possible in order to prevent more lives, both Iranian and American, from being lost.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:29 pmbs: The MSM is zionist owned – every last bit of it except for NPR. The zionist/fascist/neocons knew that control of the media was essential to control the people. It’s a huge piece in the fascist puzzle. As I’ve said, believe absolutely NOTHING you hear on the tube. Research it all yourself – do the math, connect the dots….it’s all there for us to find.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:29 pmErrol: One would have to wonder why the Shrub chose to place that statement before the public. Could it be the same reason he sat before a group of first graders reading My Pet Goat?? His bufoon-like transparency is really becoming quite a joke.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:30 pmveritas…..that is why congress needs to due away with the electoral vote and make strictley popular vote. since we are the people and it is our whitehouse and they are working for us right…….shoooot. why vote when iowa and florida are the states who will determine the outcome. this is a shit pie in everyones face. there is american revolt yet……that is shocking. we should be taking lessons from the 3rd world countries and stand up instead of licking the pie from our face.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:31 pmBush: ” We can not wait for the growing danger, for the smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud. We begin bombing in 5 minutes.”
These mofos need to be taken down by any means necessary before they do start bombing.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better.”
- McCollum to FDR
October 30th, 2007 at 3:32 pmMeh. I don’t think any former President in modern history would respond any differently if Israel were attacked. I mean, they’re just our excuse to have a protectorate in the Middle East in the first place.
Hell, it wasn’t that long ago that we basically owned the Iranian government. The scary thing here is that he is discussing this openly so as to provoke more tough talk.
For you troll witch hunters, I happen to think that Israel is a bastion of all of our foreign policy misadventures. We shouldn’t be such butt buddies with them.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:33 pmveritas oooo how do i know. i just believe that there is a substantial amount of american folks that do not believe the deep, criminal, nwo, zionist ties between our congress and israel. look into the backgrounds of all of the congressional folks and who they have ties to. these folks may be american citizens but their allegiance is to israel the criminal state it is.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:34 pmWell, Bush loved being the cheerleader in college…and has done a remarkable job for the last 6 years I must admit.
Seriously, it is so like a kid that keeps putting out little hints so that when you find they already did the deed you aren’t as mad. I wonder if Commander Fallon is able to hold back that war ship the WH wanted him to send over. Sounds like he has “stones”
I can only see one hopeful in both parties that is John Edwards…he might have less corporate ties to repay.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:36 pmall options on the table…hmmm….sounds like an idea the democrats should take to heart.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:37 pmWow…bs has uttered the “Z” word no less than five times in this thread, and his posts haven’t been scrubbed.
TP’s censors must be asleep at the switch…
October 30th, 2007 at 3:38 pmwe’ll have our chance to see the rhetoric spew from their filthy mouths tonight.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#29 – I would like to see the abolishment of the partys picking the nominee. Lets put all the candidates up….vote and the two highest get to do a runoff. And by all means can that Electoral vote which was outdated a long time ago. Living in Texas I don’t trust my State to vote in my best interest.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:40 pmtripmaster monkey…….what wrong with the ‘z’ word?
October 30th, 2007 at 3:41 pmor should i say the zionists and there is alot wrong with them.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:42 pmCepan,
why must we all be democrats, just picking the lesser of two evils, they are just another crime family out for their own interests and other countries commodities by invading and occupying. not all of us have to pick a side and believe the crap they spew. what happened to thinking on your own? be a leader instead of a follower.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pm#43 Could be your time is passing and things will change. Move to Mexico….Mexico is moving into Texas another year or so we will be Mexico.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:47 pmbs sez:
It’s one of the triggers around here…the elephant in the room we daren’t mention. Usually, any posts containing sentiments such as yours (including many of mine) are “disappeared” without warning or explanation. I believe it happened to you the other day.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:48 pmCepan sez:
I had no idea Iran attacked Israel…when did this happen?
And did they use the nuclear weapon that the IAEA says there is no evidence of?
October 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pmCepan sez:
You know, Cepan, if you wanted us to know you were an idiot, you could have just said so. No need to prove it so exhaustively.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:53 pm#47, ooooo thanks and i then think i have proven my point
October 30th, 2007 at 3:53 pmIsrael doesn’t need help from anyone. They have over 100 nukes and could turn Iran into dust if/when desired. They can also pull us into a huge war if/when desired.
BS is right about the bankers.
“Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws”
-M. A. Rothschild, 1790
October 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pmveritas
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/39986/?pc=73214
October 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pmIs there a reason you posted this using the moniker of “bs� Sounds like “bs†to me.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — October 30, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
October 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
#53
the mother of rothchild also said if my sons didn’t want war there would be none.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmI think that Bush certainly wants to attack Iran. I also think it would be disastrous. I’m not sure I agree it’s inevitable. We need some backbone from our Congress to see that such an unwarranted attack does not happen.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:57 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — October 30, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
I second that “wow”. But, then again, I didn’t see the acronym A I P A C yet.
October 30th, 2007 at 3:57 pm“We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.”
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)
“What we say, goes”
- George Bush (Illuminati) – as a response to what would happen after the collapse of the Soviet Union. He referred to the Council on Foreign Relations
“Give me the power of the money and it will not matter
any more who is commanding”
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild – (Illuminati)
“If we like it or not, we will have a One World Government. The question is if it will beachieved through consent or through conquest”
- J. Warburg – (Illuminati and Rothschild banker)
“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:03 pmComment by Cepan — October 30, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Its will be 8 years of George and illegal immigration and what has changed? The Republicans had control of congress and the house from 1994-2006, what about illegal immigration changed? What changed under Bush Sr? Reagan? Nada. You should rethink your thirty year plan cause the problem is corporate, capitalist, fueled not liberal fueled.
It seems to me you have been fighting the liberal illegal alien myth for thirty years just like the liberal media myth.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pmJust one false flag mission away from WW$$$
October 30th, 2007 at 4:06 pmBush is a very small man who needs to feel relevant. He things blowing up things makes him relevant. he used to blow up frogs for amusement, now he is blowing YOUR KIDS for amusement. next up, maybe he will blow up Syria, then Russia, then China…Thats the problem with an addictive personality: once you get your fix, its on to the next fix. Once that fix is in, off to the next one. It never stops. The world is not happy with us.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:06 pmHow to make the world like us again. This article is amazingly true!
http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/10/how_to_get_the_world_to_like_u.php
October 30th, 2007 at 4:13 pmHillary is Bush, not that light, and Obama looks like he’s trying out for her vice president. People ought to start looking hard at John Edwards, the only one speaking up about the truth.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pm“How I Learned to Love the New World Order” — Article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in Tthe Wall Street Journal (April 1992)
“After the monarchies have lost their prestige, we will elect Presidents among persons that can be obedient servants. The elected ones must have some black spot in their
past in order to be able to keep them silenced because of fear of being discovered by us. At the same time tied by the acquired position of power, enjoying the honors and privileges of a President, make them feel anxious to co-operate, not to loose it”.
- Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion [1776] – (Illuminati doctrines)
October 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pmIsrael, get ready for a false-flag operation like 9-11 was to get us over there…..
October 30th, 2007 at 4:19 pmWhy would Israel need our help? If Iran were to attack Israel, I personally believe that Israel would nuke the sh!t out of them. No more Iran. Game over.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:19 pmTripMaster Monkey: I am foreseeing the future…..like when I see the DEmocrat Party imploding after losing in 2008 and asking
“What the hell happened????â€
Comment by Cepan — October 30, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Funny, you don’t sound old enough to be having acid flashbacks. Must be schizophrenia.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pmOh, well.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pmRothschild Quotes
October 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pm“Even though they had a registered agent in the United States … it was extremely advantageous to them to have an American representative who was not known as a Rothschild agent. (The Rothschilds) preferred to operate anonymously in the United States behind the facade of J. P. Morgan and Company.”
Iran is NOT going to attack Israel. WTF is wrong with this idiot?
October 30th, 2007 at 4:26 pmIran is NOT going to attack Israel. WTF is wrong with this idiot?
Comment by Che — October 30, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
No, but some guy in a Hezbollah t-shirt will, and he’ll be carrying in his pocket soem incredibly convenient documents that connect him somehow with Iran.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:30 pmGad. Can you imagine if we dressed up these Bushies in dirty old clothes, messed up their hair — and turned ‘em loose on the streets of Hollywood…?
If they walked around Hollywood blathering this insane bullsh*t, they’d be locked up in a psych ward immediately as a “threat to society”…
How is it that $3,000 suits, expensive shoes and that cheesy little American flag pin on their lapels gets them a pass?
They’re still batsh*t crazy. Lock ‘em up.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmThis may or may not be old news, but I post it with hopes of getting the thinkprogress community v energized to see if it is, given the clear interest here in all things Iran.
On Amy Goodman’s show this morning I heard about a report in the Herald of Scotland about setting up stealth bombers on Diego Garcia for possible bombing raids on Iran. (The D-now link is http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/30/1340252, and the herald link is here: )
At present you cannot use Google maps to zoom in on Diego Garcia. A quick search on Google for past views of Diego Garcia yielded this link at the federation of American Scientists – scroll down the comments on a search for Diego Garcia, where the commenter notes that next to some B52s are four “climate shelters” for stealth bombers, and a link to this Google earth image from last summer.
The poster claims later on down that the B2 news is old news. I do find it interesting that Google is shutting down zooming here but did not earlier in the summer. Did some request come from the DOD in this regard?
Here is a link focusing on `Google Earth’ censorship with an alleged picture of a B2 hangar at Diego Garcia.
Interestingly, the remoteness of Diego Garcia could also make it attractive for black site prisons of the CIA.
News or not? Can thinkprogress find out more???
October 30th, 2007 at 4:43 pmLike many commenting here, it sounds to me like they’re itching to bait Iran into just such a measure. From what I’ve seen, Iran is smarter than that,…and definitely smarter than Bush.
Bush has blown off all chances to work with Iran, and it’s painfully obvious what their intentions are if given half a chance.
History is littered with foolish leaders* (*and I’m using the term ‘leader’ loosely) who for varied reasons led their countries into ruin by engaging in senseless wars, overextending their military and bankrupting their treasuries. It appears that George Bush wants to take US down a similar path.
What makes this situation more tragic is that our leaders* in Congress are laying down and letting it happen contrary to our wishes.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:47 pm“Cheney had been mulling the idea of pushing for limited Israeli missile strikes against the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz — and perhaps other sites — in order to provoke Tehran into lashing out.â€
According to the report, “The Iranian reaction would then give Washington a pretext to launch strikes against military and nuclear targets in Iran.“
Looks like, sounds like, smells like the Gulf of Tonkin incident redux.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI think it is quite clear that American Fundamental (Fundament=butt Mental=mind) Psyco-Christians, and the neocons who use them, are more dangerous than “Islamo-fascists” or even “Zionists”.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:54 pmAre we sure Bush even finished grade school? Clearly, he doesn’t understand the meaning of “preemptive.”
Israel is an ally, and if Iran or any other country attacked Israel, assisting Israel in her defense would not be an unreasonable response. Israel attacking first would not.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:55 pmI think it’s a foregone conclusion that the Delusional Dipshit will bomb Iran before he leaves office, so who can stop him?
Even if Congress passed a resolution stating that Bush can’t start a war with Iran without their approval, he would veto it, or issue a signing statement and continue down the suicidal path he has chosen.
Not that I mind the Chimperor on that path mind you, I think that would make a lovely legacy, the crown jewel in a life of utter failure, but he drags us down that path with him if he bombs Iran.
I seriously don’t see a way to stop him.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:56 pm“Bush unequivocally promised that he would attack Iran…”
Personally?
October 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pmWe can only hope.
#49 – How about arguing the issues I am not a Hillary fan but her personal appearance has nothing to do with her policies or her abilities. She is definitely intelligent, just not my agenda.
I would be ashamed to admit that I supported the GOP with the damage that has been done in the last 6 years. Most kool aide drinkers are realizing they followed the wrong leader.
Read Jack Cafferty’s book, Its Getting Ugly Out There. He was one of you and now realizes he has been lied too.
Many, many of us want to clean house and put a new party in charge.
October 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pm#81 – And where will you go to live and breath…air doesn’t just stay in one area what happens across the world affects America as well.
What a foolish, incredibly stupid remark.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pmBush: ” We can not wait for the danger to increase, we can not wait for the smoking gun to arrive in the form of a mushroom cloud. We begin bombing Iran in 5 minutes.”
There you are folks, WWIII, started by Bushitler.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:02 pmSpeak softly and carry a big stick. All the talk in the world does nothing unless you have muscle to back it up.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:05 pmtexaslady, michael is not serious he is a shit stirrer. He makes outrageous remarks to get attention because he has a huge hole where most humans have a psyche. Pity the little guy.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:06 pm“Drop the BIG one!”
Comment by michael
I DID, and feel much better now.
That granola does wonders for the ‘ol GI tract…
October 30th, 2007 at 5:09 pmFolks please…Iran is not going to bomb Israel and Israel is not going to bomb Iran. It’s not gonna happen. Bush wants YOU to think he has allies backing him up, but it ain’t so. Bush wants the Iranians to think he has allies backing him up, but they are not going to follow the nutjob over the edge of the cliff. Its all words and threats – something the right side is good at. Getting things done, not so much…
Also it is helpful to look at the wording of the poll indicating a majority of Americans want the pre-emptively bomb anybody. The wording is the key. If you worded a question properly, a majority of Americans could agree on anything – or nothing.
Bush is like the guy waiting to get rescued from a deserted island. He’s looking feverishly around for ANYTHING which he could use to save himself. He may bring the world to the edge of oblivion, but he believes the rescue is imminent – so he is willing to take the chance. All hat and no cattle.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:13 pm#85 Amen but I will save my pity for the over stretch military that has to do the cowardly cowboy’s bidding.
I believe Bush has handlers that tell him what to do, but may he burn in Hell.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:16 pmThis Jew-hating crap that Israel runs the U.S. is disproved again by the article: Cheney is mulling over having Israel attack Iran.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:17 pmBushco is pulling Israel’s strings, not the other way around.
This man has yet to figure out that HE is the greatest destabilizing factor in global security.
He doesn’t realize that his threats and actions are the IMPETUS for the increase in militarism in the Middle East.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:18 pm#87 Iran talks to the World unlike our diplomats, Iran knows America is walking alone on this one. You are correct Bush has been bailed out of his self created crisis all his life, however, this may be the one he can’t be saved from. And I don’t like being taken along for his ego ride.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:20 pm#91 – It takes a bigger person to walk away than to follow a bully.
If you believe in what you say, then walk the walk and join the military.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:23 pmIs it just me, or does he seem to be losing his composure? – http://www.nationalsquib.com/html/george_bush.html
October 30th, 2007 at 5:24 pmPiercing airpower (like it or not, democrats)would be the most effective option at securing the values of the western world.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
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What do you think they are going to do after we bomb them? Give up? Decide they really don’t need nuclear power? Decide they love Israel? Also, what do you think the rest of their allies are going to do after we bomb Iran? By the way, most of the money we’ve used for OIF has been borrowed from China, which is in Iran’s pocket. Are you ready to start WWIII with the entire Middle East, Russia and China, because Iran might have a nuclear weapon in 5 years? Even if they had nukes tomorrow (Pakistan could just give them some) they couldn’t do anything with them. Attacking the US would be their worst idea, and Israel could always just nuke them, since thay have nukes anyway.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:27 pmYou liberals are appeasers!
Comment by michael — October 30, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Which one of these will you be signing up to? I hear they have some great bonuses right now.
http://www.goarmy.com
October 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pmhttp://www.marines.com
http://www.navy.mil
http://www.airforce.mil
Piercing airpower (like it or not, democrats)would be the most effective option at securing the values of the western world.
Comment by Newsflash
Is it just me, or is there a new stench in the air?
And after that exercise in stupidity, then what? If you are smart (which is very questionable) you would realize a ground war has to begin to “mop up” the remaining threats. Also what about the 1-2 BILLION muslims who would turn against us? What about the remaining countries looking to us for sanity? They would be convinced your idiot in chief is simply starting the end of the world. Since your allegiance seems to be with the republican party – and not America – I trust you would be volunteering to go and fight? I didn’t think so…A Yellow elephant, A chickenhawk, a keyboard commando. they all apply to the losers, like you, whose lives are not worth living. Or maybe you think God is going to come down and save you? Save you? No. God doesn’t like cowards who bomb innocent people from 60,000 feet in the air. I presume you will be attending regents evangelical university, huh? I thought so…
October 30th, 2007 at 5:30 pmIt is appropriate, according to my studies here, that we consider eliminating Iran as a threat. Piercing airpower (like it or not, democrats)would be the most effective option at securing the values of the western world.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
If an unprovoked attack on a nation that poses no threat to us is an example of value of the western world, then perhaps our values aren’t worth securing.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmAren’t trolls funny/pathetic? Talk about your dead-enders.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmA documentary this summer polled a Young Republican’s meeting. All were for the war, NONE would join.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmThis Jew-hating crap that Israel runs the U.S. is disproved again by the article: Cheney is mulling over having Israel attack Iran.
Bushco is pulling Israel’s strings, not the other way around.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — October 30, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
It’s not “Jew-hating” to point out the fact that the Israel lobby has too much power over U.S. foreign policy. A large number of Jews in the U.S. agree with this.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:33 pm#100 EXCELLENT !
#103 Pathetic is the word for all the right.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:35 pmA documentary this summer polled a Young Republican’s meeting. All were for the war, NONE would join.
Comment by texaslady — October 30, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
I saw that. Isn’t it ironic that these same people turn around and call us “cowards” for being rational?
October 30th, 2007 at 5:35 pmA documentary this summer polled a Young Republican’s meeting. All were for the war, NONE would join.
Comment by texaslady
I saw that too. All those chickenhawks had such lame reasons for not joining: bad knees, bad hips, married to their cousin, dating their sister, becoming fat, kissing Rove’s behind, etc…Yeah a great bunch of patriots we have there, huh? If America had to count on these fools to save us, we would be screwed. I would trust a boat load of DFH, before this crowd.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:35 pmPiercing airpower (like it or not, democrats)would be the most effective option at securing the values of the western world.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Apparently this little freshman whelp doesn’t remember just how successful Bush’s “shock and awe” was.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:36 pm100 Toasterhead,
I’d agree with that except that I for one wouldn’t want one of these chickenhawks covering my back!
October 30th, 2007 at 5:36 pmAn appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill
Comment by michael — October 30, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Steve Irwin?
October 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pmApparently this little freshman whelp doesn’t remember just how successful Bush’s “shock and awe†was.
Comment by VerbalKint — October 30, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Are you saying the Shock and Awe campaign was unsuccessful? That blew up hundreds if not thousands of Muslims. Men, women, children. If it didn’t kill them outright, it wounded them for life. It sure taught those plane-stealing Muslims not to attack us again!
October 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pmI’m Newsflash and I attend James Madison University, a college here in Virginia with great southern hospitality and innovative programs
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Tell me, son, how old were you when Bush launched his failed war? 14?
October 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pm111,er, six! Go Navy.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pmThese “brave” Young Republicans will be the ones paying for our 74,000 physically and emotionally wounded during their lifetimes. I wonder how they will approve of Bush, say 5 years from now when most of their income will be for our truly brave Veterans.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI’d agree with that except that I for one wouldn’t want one of these chickenhawks covering my back!
Comment by TRDaggett — October 30, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Ah, don’t worry. They’d never see combat. If they don’t bite the business end of a rifle Full Metal Jacket-style by the end of basic training I’d be very surprised.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:41 pmWar is always glorious from a distance!!!
My son emailed me from Iraq this past week to tell me he had been covered in blood when he had to go out and carry in a young Iraqi man who had been shot and was bleeding from his eye, his mouth and his left hand. The young man was screaming and writhing in pain and my son had to hold him down to keep him from falling off the stretcher.
My son also witnessed the killing of a 7 year old girl recently.
Another son of mine who served in Iraq 2003/2004 was almost killed on 4 separate occasions.
Anyone who thinks bombing Iran will be justified needs to consider what the ramifications will be for our soldiers and the thousands of innocent civilians.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI have family in Iraq and in a VA hospital, I would just like one of the Young Republicans to go one time and talk to the men an women I talk with and then tell me war is good , diplomacy is for cowards.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:44 pmMichael NO ONE who has seen the fighting, known the fear, carried their brother’s body on his back out of harm will ever wish that for someone else. I call you out as a liar that you have ever been in one fire fight.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:47 pm#123 – And Who will be paying for programs that have been underfunded for 6 years? We are talking infra structure, we are talking environment, education. Oh you are so young and naive, you have so much to learn.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:51 pmJust how do you purpose with your degree in economics that we take care of the 74,000 wounded from the Iraq debacle? Somebody’s taxes have to pay.
Michael the fact that you glory war is your lie right there. Smell the blood, watch your buddy bleed out while you hold his hand. Talk to his parents when they want to know how he died.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:53 pmHow many countries has Iran attacked in the last 100 years?
October 30th, 2007 at 5:54 pmAnyone who thinks bombing Iran will be justified needs to consider what the ramifications will be for our soldiers and the thousands of innocent civilians.
Comment by Gilded Truth — October 30, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
That’s just it. They are incapable of making any such consideration. They do what they are told by their authoritarian leaders.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI also expect to see taxes remain low and my home completely upscale in a gated community while still in my 20s.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
I think I get the picture now. You are 26, got your AA degree a few years ago, and are still living at home with your parents.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:59 pmMichael is dumber than an insect. ‘Nuff said about that little cretin.
October 30th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThere’s no “effective” diplomacy going on with Iran. There’s NO diplomacygoing on with Iran, period. It’s another big fat bu$hler lie.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:00 pm#120 – Thank you for your comments, unfortunately there are two here that cannot comprehend what bravery is.
Your sons are what America is made of, most of us appreciate their sacrifice while others refuse to join but loudly proclaim war.
My sons believed the lies, and were of the age of consent. They do their duty and tell me that we were right all along. I know they and the ones they fight with will never push for unprovoked war against another country. Maybe we will learn something this time.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:01 pmI already gave the Navy 5 years of my life! BOMB IRAN!
Comment by michael — October 30, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Look at the recreational, serial liar thinks we should believe that he served, believe none of it.
Oh, and Newsflash is Mr. P. All the trolls just crawled out of the woodwork.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:02 pmNor will he forget you cowardous traitors!
Comment by michael — October 30, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
If, as you say, liberals are traitors, then why hasn’t Bush ordered the Justice Department to file chargers against a prominent liberal for “aiding and abetting the enemy”? He and the rest of you should put up or shut up. If Bush announced his intent to do this, I go to the local FBI and turn myself in for a trial.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:05 pmWhat did I lie about?
Comment by michael — October 30, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
What don’t you lie about? You never tell the truth? You don’t even know what it is? You were never in the Navy? You’re a coward and a liar?
Low taxes are good? For whom? Big government is bad? Only if Republicans run it? Liberal professors are stupid? Prove that?
October 30th, 2007 at 6:05 pmThese trolls wouldn’t know the truth if it [accidentally] shot them in the face (at a private club that flies the confederate flag). They’re in their own little world of twenty-something percenters (and dropping).
October 30th, 2007 at 6:07 pmAre you that stupid?
Comment by michael — October 30, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
No, nobody but you is THAT stupid. you have redifined stupid. Stupid is now spelled m-i-c-h-a-e-l.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:07 pm#132 – Well we are borrowing money right now and when the banker calls in the note you will pay or give him your country. So how will that work for you living under China’s government? Are you taking Chinese along with your other studies, I would if I were you.
Sure can tell mom and dad are paying that tuition and dorm room. Bet you get a sweet allowance to tide you over.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#152 and we all know you can’t fix stupid.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:09 pmNo one said war is good but when you are faced with the 21st century version of Adolf Hitler you do something other than negotiate. You liberal cowards have learned nothing from the past!
Comment by michael — October 30, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Well then I guess we can expect attacks from all over the world since the 21st century version of Adolf Hitler is sitting in the oval office. I guess when China and Russia aim those missiles our way you’ll understand their reasoning. Duck.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:10 pmRepublicans have never heard of or exercised any personal reponsibility, ever. Just look at Bush, for example. No personal responsibility in his lifetime, always rescued by hsi daddy and daddy’s buddies. Bush is the perfect republican traitor and loser, and has no personal honor or responsibility, much like our lying chickehawk trolls.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:10 pmI’m here majoring in Economics. I expect to leave here in 2009 and merge straight into the corporate life. I also expect to see taxes remain low and my home completely upscale in a gated community while still in my 20s.
Comment by Newsflash
In my experience, anybody who feels the need to tell complete strangers about their accomplishments, probably has very few actual accomplishments to boast about. Newsflash, you could impress us with your insight and logic. Well, on second thought, no you couldn’t.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:11 pmThey know you don’t appreciate their service, so please stop giving people the false impression that “progressives†own the military. It’s misleading.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Actually you’re lying. the military on the ground is not Republican at all. And they are growing increasingly angry at the shoddy treatment your party has given them since day one of this illegal, immoral unnecessary dick-waving by your faggotty little cheerleader president.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI call you out as a liar that you have ever been in one fire fight.
Comment by texasladyâ€
texaslady, wasn’t it you who went after the person trying to stop the trolls yesterday. I hope you’re happy now that they are back in full force. Maybe you want to engage them all the time but some of us were happier when they were barely around. You complained about the troll monitor but that was your opinion, not all of ours.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:12 pmHave to admit those of you calling a troll a troll are right, looked up the explanation – those who make ridiculous, un substantiated comments because they are lonely, sad and seek attention. Michael Newsflash Wow right on target !
October 30th, 2007 at 6:13 pmBesides, I’m on an earned corporate scholarship.
Just one more reason why democrats hate the family.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
no, you’re not. Your on daddy’s dime. your attempts to appear human are pathetic; you can’t fool us, you’re a typical fat, lazy, stupid college republican who refuses to defend his country. At least the Nazis joined up. You’re even lower than they.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:14 pmSimply letting you leftocrats know that you don’t own the word ‘achievement’.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
well, you can have the word, we have the deeds. all you ever have is the hot air, never the accomplsihments. how sad to be you.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSo, what will he do if Israel attacks Iran, which is a more likely scenario?
October 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pmDo you put the “ho†in hopeless?
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:05
What’s the matter Mr. President, you know you want people to know it’s you. Really, you are such a psychopath, get help.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pmIf any of our resident trolls had studied history, as they claim, would they not realize that crusades always end badly for all parties involved? Heck, Europeans figured it out hundreds of years ago. Oh sure. They had some success with Imperialism but, thanks in part to the American rebellion, they finally gave that up as, largely, a bad idea.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pm3 Trillion Dollars…that’s how much the national debt has gone up under George W. Bush and the Republican controlled congress. That is One Third of the total National Debt of 9 Trillion dollars, in 6 short years. So Michael….is the Era of Big Government over… or are the Republicans lying to us???
October 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pmWe can borrow the money from other countries at low interest rates, then we can negotiate to defer payment until we feel like it.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
“Spend and tax” Republicanism, bequeathing the debt you incur for your hedonistic pleasure to your grandchildren. Small government? NO – small minds and small hearts.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pmnewsflash is on repuke welfare, obviously. can’t stand up for himself; no republican is able to.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI hope everybody is reporting abuse on Mr. P/Newsflash because he’s already escalating his insane behavior. Remember he’s the guy that all but shut down this site before registration.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI am utterly amazed that any child who would still be in their 20’s in 09 and the transition time to a gated community (assuming you mean not prison or asylum) would be so ridiculously clueless to think that someone of that age might possible have a clue. Current neuroanatomy research indicates that the brian of such an individual has yet to even reach its adult form.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:18 pmWe have a Republican military in place. They know you don’t appreciate their service, so please stop giving people the false impression that “progressives†own the military. It’s misleading.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:09
The military is AMERICAN. Are you calling progressives unAmerican? How very fascist of you Nazi boy.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:19 pm161 – Sorry but it gets up close and personal when they pretend to be military their sorry asses couldn’t even touch the coattail of the guys and women sweating in that God forsaken dirt hole hoping Americans will bring them home.
And my kids and others cannot understand why we aren’t bringing them home, they have done every changing goal Bush set out.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:20 pmSimply letting you leftocrats know that you don’t own the word ‘achievement’.
Comment by Newsflash
If you feel the need to tell me about how great you are or how great you have it, then I tend to dismiss your words altogether. I could tell you I am tall – but I am not. You could tell me you are a patriot – but you are not. As I stated, try and impress us with your words and thoughts – not what you may or may not be in the future.
As it stands, Mr Bush is doing his best to derail your future with constant war, $30.00 a gallon gas, and an entire planet who doesn’t like the US.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pmNEWSFLASH newsflash,
There are more and more active duty and retired officers, nco’s and enlisted speaking out about the lunacy of this administration.
Just take the time if you will to read: An Appeal to Conscience to Those Who Would Bomb Iran
By US Army Reserves Colonel (Retired) Ann Wright
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021307B.shtml
Oh, and for the record, I was a religious right/always right Jesus freak, card carrying Repug for 30+ years.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI ignore them as soon as they use “left”, or any of it’s derivatives, as a swear word.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI think Newsflash has used up its three strikes and can be benched as a troll to be ignored or, at most, talked about. My 2 cents.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:24 pmDayum!!! It appears that our boy Michael has FINALLY learned how to spell “crocodile”!!!
Congratulations!! Woohoo!
There you have it: Proof that conservative retards can learn simple tricks!
October 30th, 2007 at 6:25 pm.
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Oh man….I’m getting all misty here. :o/
Sorry but it gets up close and personal when they pretend to be military their sorry asses couldn’t even touch the coattail of the guys and women sweating in that God forsaken dirt hole hoping Americans will bring them home.
And my kids and others cannot understand why we aren’t bringing them home, they have done every changing goal Bush set out.
Comment by texaslady — October 30, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
So now that it touches your family you realize the trolls are a nuisance. I believe the troll monitor was trying to tell you that yesterday. My guess is you’ve been a Republican until recently because you felt free to attack the antitroll folks until it hit close to your home. That is the hallmark of a good Republican.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:26 pmNow, if we were to deport all 12 million illegal immigrants, then we would find our gas prices decreasing substantially.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
How are these two variables correlated? Global petroleum prices are tied to the number of US illegals?
October 30th, 2007 at 6:28 pmmichael: “No one said war is good but when you are faced with the 21st century version of Adolf Hitler you do something other than negotiate.”
21st Century version of Hitler???!! Well, other than the fact that there’s no war machine, no industrial capacity to speak of, no neighboring nations annexed by force, no proclamations of war on any other nation and no extremely popular leader, you could have some kind of point…
October 30th, 2007 at 6:29 pmHow are these two variables correlated? Global petroleum prices are tied to the number of US illegals?
Comment by dbadass — October 30, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
No…but vegetables, clean hotel rooms, and cut meat sure are.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:31 pmChrist on a rotisserie, these are some of the stupidest comments ever.
Negotiate a low interest rate and pay them back when I feel like it????
I am calling BS on the economics degree. The only degree we have here is ten degrees of utter stupidity.
It seems that we are seeing a new batch of trolls since TP was declared number 10 on the enemies list. I am going to go home and hug my boys and tell them if they ever run into a loser named Newsflash or michael, they have my permission to ridicule them in spite of my admonitions of not making fun of the handicapped.
Mañana.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:31 pmWe can borrow the money from other countries at low interest rates, then we can negotiate to defer payment until we feel like it.
Comment by Newsflash
That statement belies your claim of education. Have you noticed the various currencies lately? have you noticed which direction our US dollar is going in relation to the others? Do you know what that means? Can you describe the impact on our economy based on the diminishing value of the dollar? If you had studied economics – which I do not believe you have – you would not have written such nonsense. Also, pushing around our economic partners – or creditors – is not the way to negotiate lower rates or terms. It sorta upsets the creditors when we borrow their billions and then dictate to them how and when it might be repaid.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:32 pmA beligerent debtor is soon a debtor whose business is no longer welcome. Ahhh, the youth of America. makes me weep for the future.
Knee-jerk warmonger!
October 30th, 2007 at 6:32 pm“progressives†are unAmerican.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
How so? By definition US Americanism is defined by heterogeneity of thought
October 30th, 2007 at 6:32 pmWe are a resilient, vibrant, and healthy economy. Now, if we were to deport all 12 million illegal immigrants, then we would find our gas prices decreasing substantially.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Oh like you’d ever get off your fat ass to do some manual labor like cut your parents grass or wash dishes in a restaurant. You who have never done a days work in your life want to get rid of all Mexicans. If you’d ever done that kind of work, for just one day, they we’d listen to your crap. If the work is done by people like you, to lazy to walk away from your desk, this country will come to a standstill.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:33 pmanti-zionist *DOES NOT MEAN* anti-semitic.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:34 pmmany jews, including me & my family, HATE ZIONISTS & they should all rot in hell.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
How are these two variables correlated? Global petroleum prices are tied to the number of US illegals?
Comment by dbadass — October 30, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
db, Newsflash is Mr. P., don’t expect logic. Just more blubber filled spew from the psychotic meth head.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:35 pm“[The European] monarchs instead of wisely yielding to the gradual change of circumstances, of favoring progressive accommodation to progressive improvement, have clung to old abuses, entrenched themselves behind steady habits and obliged their subjects to seek through blood and violence rash and ruinous innovations which, had they been referred to the peaceful deliberations and collected wisdom of the nation, would have been put into acceptable and salutary forms. Let us follow no such examples nor weakly believe that one generation is not as capable as another of taking care of itself and of ordering its own affairs. Let us… avail ourselves of our reason and experience to correct the crude essays of our first and unexperienced although wise, virtuous, and well-meaning councils.” –Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:41
The “unAmerican” Thomas Jefferson. /snark off
October 30th, 2007 at 6:35 pmAhhhh…..”debt” was why the medieval Christians used to murder their Jews regularly through pogroms (the Jews were the moneylenders and bankers of Europe)…
Since we are now heavily in debt to China, perhaps our Dear Leader will advocate nuking Beijing next. Ya think?
October 30th, 2007 at 6:35 pm67 bilbobaggins, I hope that we don’t have to find out. Let us hope that Israel has more sense than that, but the hawks in their country seem to be about as crazy as the ones in ours, and I have a feeling that they’re working hand in hand behind the scenes. Although Israel is the one right there in the region and has more to lose, wingnuts like Ari Fleisher and Podhertz are certainly working this end to pick a fight.
These dregs of society who would rather fight (not personally, most of them) than work things out responsibly, seem determined to take the rest of us with them while they have the chance.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:37 pmYou should also learn to appreciate the benefits of freedom provided by our Republican military.
“progressives†are unAmerican. Are you smart at being dumb?
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:30
You think the military is Republican because you’re party caged the votes of those military members they deemed to be Democrats. You think it American to steal votes from active duty soldiers? Way to support the troops you weak kneed little pansy. Where’s CT is he naked on the bed with you posting as michael?
October 30th, 2007 at 6:37 pmDamn, 167, not 67…..
October 30th, 2007 at 6:38 pmAs vice president Dick Cheney said, we can all adjust to the higher gas prices.
Comment by Newsflash
Wow. I wish I would have thought of that. Honey, don’t worry about our bills, we just have to “adjust”. Hmmm, I did not know it would be that easy for the vast majority of Americans who live on an average of about $50,000 for a family of four. To even suggest what Cheney says is a solution for the common American is laughable.
Again, your words make it difficult to imagine you have even stepped into a classroom – much less a classroom devoted to economic theory.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:39 pmIf you trolls want to spread your patriotism and vast knowledge somewhere else, why not visit this site and argue with REAL veterans from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghan.
http://americansforsharedsacrifice.org/phpBB1/viewforum.php?f=2
October 30th, 2007 at 6:39 pm“If the condition of man is to be progressively ameliorated, as
we fondly hope and believe, education is to be the chief
instrument in effecting it.” –Thomas Jefferson to M. A. Jullien,
1818.
More from the “unAmerican” progressive Thomas Jefferson.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:39 pmwhy should bush respond to an attack on israel? – they’ve got enough military pwer to look after themselves,haven’t they?
October 30th, 2007 at 6:39 pmOh, and here is an on-topic view from that “unAmerican” progressive coward Thomas Jefferson:
A world in arms and trampling on all those moral principles which have heretofore been deemed sacred in the intercourse between nations, could not suffer us to remain insensible of all agitation. During such a course of lawless violence, it was certainly wise to withdraw ourselves from all intercourse with the belligerent nations, to avoid its pernicious effects on manners and morals and the dangers it threatens to free governments, and to cultivate our own resources until our natural and progressive growth should leave us nothing to fear from foreign enterprise.” –Thomas Jefferson to Messrs. Bloodgood and Hammond, 1809. ME 12:317
October 30th, 2007 at 6:43 pmwhy should bush respond to an attack on israel? – they’ve got enough military pwer to look after themselves,haven’t they?
Comment by shaun — October 30, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Apparently the neocons think we are our brother’s keeper when our brothers live in other nations. But that we should help noone who lives in this country. Hard to understand isn’t it. And yes, Israel has more missiles than are necessary to take care of their interests.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:43 pm211- Good grief, Newsflash – you are so fullash*t your eyes are brown. You ought to be ashamed of yourself – for being such a complete moron.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:45 pmThis goes for other products, especially housing. I won’t watch the basics become luxuries because of their greedy presense.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:43
Economics major my ass. Using anecdotal evidence from your hometown to project what is going on throughout the country. Sounds like you’re still the same old philosophy major without an effing clue.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:45 pmGreat. Now we know that Bush “will respond” if Iran attacks Israel. Hey Bush, will you make a similar promise if Israel attacks Iran?
The chances are much better that Israel will attack Iran. What will the US do? Let me guess . . .
October 30th, 2007 at 6:48 pmReally Newflash, maybe you should look up the word dialect. And by saying “pretty smart” you out yourself as the undereducated rube that you truly are. Just finished homeschooling with mommy recently didn’t you, redneck?
October 30th, 2007 at 6:49 pmComment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Smokers are more likely drinkers. Does smoking cause drinking? Apparantly research design isn’t part of the economics program. I live in the most affluent per capita community in my state. There is one black man who is married to a white woman, a lesbian black couple and zero hispanics. Of the white folk, I believe they are all legal. We have very high gas prices relative to the more urban/diverse areas of the state. What the hell is going on here? Anyway thanks for the try but that may be the most convoluted nonsensical attempt at statistical correlation I have ever seen
October 30th, 2007 at 6:50 pmNice try db but I suspect the homeschooled diaper wearing pansy didn’t understand a word you said.
October 30th, 2007 at 6:51 pmPrinciple VI of the Nuremberg Principles: The following crimes are punishable as crimes under international law:
a. Crimes against peace: i. Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; ii. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
b. War Crimes: Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave-labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war, of persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
c. Crimes against humanity: Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds, when such acts are done, or such persecutions are carried on in execution of, or in connection with any crime against peace, or any war crime.”
Attacking Iran will be a crime against peace, a war crime. Those conducting military operations will be violating the Nuremberg Principles, the Geneva Conventions and the Laws of Land Warfare. Prosecution for commission of war crimes is possible.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021307B.shtml
October 30th, 2007 at 6:57 pmWe’re seeing that right now in terms of water in states with heavy populations — Florida and California.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Have you considered years of poor to no water management, ill advised environmental alteration (think everglades), climate change, prolonged drought (see Georgia), the growth of the Southwest as well as Florida for white retirees, a place called Las Vegas. Again there are these weird things called variables. To test your inane hypothesis you would have to consider them
October 30th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI have no problem with philosophy Newsflash/Mr. President. I just wish you’d be honest and admit you are no economics/business major. Because it is a topic you show your ignorance of continually. At least when you admitted you were a philosophy major you could show that you had some intelligence on at least one topic.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:01 pmShayne, if you don’t know the second secret ingredient, check it out. Two great things which go great together.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:02 pmBest-
As far as I know US dropout rates have changed very little through the years. What has changed are the opportunities available to these folks. It is sort of like the age of first sexual contact. Little change through time but some would have you think there was some fantasy time that they like to call “the good old days”
October 30th, 2007 at 7:06 pmNot that I dislike public education, as I prefer it, but where’s your recognition of yesterday’s AP report labeling 1 in 10 public schools in this country “dropout factories†?
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
Well when you’re homeschooled how can you drop out. And the antisocial behavior and the unwillingness to actually perform work at a real job is what you get from you swaddled little babies who never went to school because mommy was afraid you’d learn bad words or get bullied if you did. You can tell by the tone of the posts those of you who were homeschooled.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:10 pmdb, are you talking about tamarind? I thought there were juniper berries in there but if there are there in the other assorted flavor category.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:14 pmTrolls do nothing but drag the discourse down to their level and off-topic. Just ignore them as you would someone ranting incoherently. Remember that they represent a [[[tiny]]] portion of the population.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:15 pmShayne, I respect those whom attempt homeschooling for whatever reason. However my experience is that most who try are totally incapable of executing the task with any real skill. Excluding the weirdos , most parents who have tried it in my district have given up once the reality sets in and the novelty wears off. A personal friend who holds a phd from Dartmouth and is a dean at his university called it the hardest thing he ever did and is pretty sure that he was not entirely successful
October 30th, 2007 at 7:15 pmCome back when you have fewer dusty stereotypes to spew.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Were these your words?
“progressives†are unAmerican.”
October 30th, 2007 at 7:17 pmComment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 6:30
I wasnt’ homeschooled, but thanks for showing your intolerance. The “My way or the highway†approach you’re taking isn’t exactly ‘progressive’, dolt.
Come back when you have fewer dusty stereotypes to spew.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Too funny, weren’t you calling progressives unAmerican? Now you’re complaining about the stereotypes of you diaper wearing homeschoolers. Hey it isn’t my fault mommy was afraid you’d get bullied at school or worse yet, learn about evolution. But hey, I learned how to spew reading the posts of trolls. I’m getting pretty good at talking trash, or is that talking to trash, shitkicker?
October 30th, 2007 at 7:21 pmComment by TRDaggett — October 30, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
A valid point! I am sorry but I am the type who enjoys chatting with strret folks, carnies, and the like. My apologies. Those whom wish to get back on topic, please post around us
October 30th, 2007 at 7:21 pmyou got tamarind in my anchovies! No you got anchovies in my tamarind!
October 30th, 2007 at 7:24 pmWe run into lot’s of homeschooled kids when we’re in LA and I can tell you most of the mother’s attempting it are way too out of touch to be successful. And the kids are just “different” but that’s kind of a chicken/egg situation.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:24 pmyou got tamarind in my anchovies! No you got anchovies in my tamarind!
Comment by dbadass — October 30, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
That being said, juniper berries will give you one of those herbal buzzes. Tamarind doesn’t appear to have the same properties. Oh well.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:26 pmComment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Well mostly it is the combined problem of “conservative” change is bad thinking along with the lagtime assoicated with a changing society. If you are suggesting that I am at ease with the current state you are incorrect. My experience is that those who propose the alternatives which are so needed are labelled liberal kooks while the stay the course it was good enough for me folks just want to add a bunch of multiple choice standardized tests to justify the maintenance of an archaic system. I find undergraduate programs to also be in desperate need of pedogological reform but again the naysayers just want to label higher education institutions liberal brainwashing. Remember the most dangerous organizations thread?
October 30th, 2007 at 7:30 pmWhy can’t the public schools in this country get up with the times and update for the 21st century?
Public Schools CAN. Most American students attend public schools, and a great many have taken what they have learned and applied it to high paying, meaningfull jobs. The children of vietnamese boat people attended some of the poorest and most dysfunctional public schools in America, and went on to win scholarships to prestigious universities. Why??
October 30th, 2007 at 7:41 pmBecause their parents have instilled in them the VALUE of education. Their parents think it as miracle that poor people can get free education in America. The kids spend afterschool working on their homework, with the older kids helping the younger ones to understand their lessons.
The first thing that schools must teach is:Why am I here? If the kids don’t value their schooling, they won’t apply themselves and learn.
As the bumper sticker says..If you think education is expensive…try ignorance.
I remember that thread, yes. I would honestly hope that that group doesn’t despise higher education since many of its members have benefited in many ways they not realize — making a living, serving as trustees, professing, etc.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:39
You have a real knack for the obvious P. We didn’t know education was good until you told us. Thanks. /snark
October 30th, 2007 at 7:43 pmNothing personal db, but that’s a bit like two (or more) drivers driving down the road flipping each other off, each trying to pass the other and telling the other drivers “don’t mind us, just drive around us”.
It makes the other drivers want to take another route the next time, and that’s bad for TP.
Like now, I’m off to TPM. Drive safely!
October 30th, 2007 at 7:46 pmI remember that thread, yes. I would honestly hope that that group doesn’t despise higher education since many of its members have benefited in many ways they not realize — making a living, serving as trustees, professing, etc.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:39
Not too many physicists would be around if it wasn’t for higher learning numbnutz. You know physicists, the guys who actually invented the bomb. You’re about as dim as a candle aren’t you.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:46 pmMany dropouts are minorities. So now that I’ve reminded you of that, will you suddently care to be “progressive†on the topic?
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
many dropouts aren’t minrities. And illegal immigrants, by the way, pay their way much better than citizens, as they pay all kinds of taxes, yet get few services in return. You haven’t any factual bases for the crap you’ve been spewing all night long. You re uneducated, ignorant, and ideological in the extreme. You really are embarrasing yourself and your side more with every ignorant screed you post.
It’s a good laugh; please keep it up, as you make more enemies for your party and philosophy.
October 30th, 2007 at 7:53 pmComment by TRDaggett — October 30, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
I never flip anyone off but I see the point and am outta here
October 30th, 2007 at 7:54 pmRepublicans- never saw a war they didn’t like but refused to serve in.
October 30th, 2007 at 8:00 pmthe mere ignorance, no let me say stupidity in this room is astounding. ignorance means that they have the capability of knowing. it’s ironic that the folks that are zionist/nazi lovers are not going to fight for their cause…..since you all want to drop bomb and bullets why not go and participate……
October 30th, 2007 at 8:00 pmMany dropouts are minorities.
Comment by Newsflash — October 30, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
……..the majority of folks on welfare are WHITE.
October 30th, 2007 at 8:02 pmSomehow, newsflash aka Mr Pee has done his best to take a thread about George Bush and Iran and make it about himself by blaming the droughts in the South on illegal immigrants!
What an astonishing and childish thing to do.
October 30th, 2007 at 8:10 pmLefty patriot = smafdy (leftist vitriolic robot)
Shayne = illegal immigrant gravy guzzler.
What is this? And is this when I am supposed to hold down the shift/? keys along with the space bar for page upon page?
October 30th, 2007 at 9:01 pm190 – Shayne you need to recalculate your assumptions. I have never ever been a Republican. Not during Vietnam after losing a brother and my fiance, certainly not now with two sons in Iraq. Every Republican President including Ford were dirty in some way. Clinton has his dirt as well, however, he kept America out of harm for 8 years and ended with World credibility and a surplus.
Not everyone you think is a troll is, tonight yes two idiots probably not out of diapers yet. Last night there was some interesting comments. I do not need someone screaming “watch out for the trolls ” every third post. Good grief we are all adults and can think for ourselves.
We are suppose to be different than the sheeple Republicans who follow without question the leader of the moment.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:01 pmbu$h is passing on the same propaganda line he and his conservanazi friends said about Iraq.
JUST MORE bu$hit!
Just show the world how much of a terrorist you are, georgie. You don’t need no excuse to attack. You be the decider, remember?
“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
October 30th, 2007 at 9:40 pmor it might be…
” like a riddle trapped in an enigma trapped in a vest” Lisa Simpson
or with a little flag pin upon the lapel?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:03 pmI do not need someone screaming “watch out for the trolls †every third post. Good grief we are all adults and can think for ourselves.
We are suppose to be different than the sheeple Republicans who follow without question the leader of the moment.
Comment by texaslady — October 30, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Sorry for the assumption or misunderstanding. I thought you were a little harsh when you attacked that person keeping the trolls at bay and you thought you were entitled to express your opinion. And you are. But we are all entitled to our opinions that’s why we’re here. I prefer the warnings to the trolls.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:51 pmThis just in:
The President knows where north and west is.
October 31st, 2007 at 8:29 amThank you for a very thought provoking post.
I just wanted to add that I support the President and I support the war in Iraq because I believe in Democracy for everyone.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:28 amHere’s what I just sent to TP “Report Abuse” referencing #265 (and in general):
IS anything going to be done about these idiots who do nothing to further the actual debate and always take the discussion off-topic?
Damn it they’re just here to bait those who can’t resist the urge, and end up starting arguments that drag the whole thread down to their level.
I support free speech up to a point. If someone has a valid point to make and can do it while maintaining civility great, but that’s not what’s happening here. I’m sure I speak for some of the regular readers who have had just about all we can take.
And that goes for both sides. If you can’t stay on topic, don’t bother posting. Those who want to read thoughtful civilized comments will appreciate it. Thank you.
October 31st, 2007 at 3:22 pmAnd I also like to add..
I’m no angel myself (believe me). I’ve been guilty in the past of some of what I’m criticizing others for now.
Joking around and funny quips aren’t the problem, nasty name calling and personal attacks that take the discussion off-topic are. I’m trying to eliminate my own personal bad habits of the past, and keep them there, in the past.
It’s not easy, but it’s better for the web site and it’s better for the majority of the readers.
I for one have had enough of the nastiness and negativity of the past seven years. I look forward to much of that being reversed once the current President and his gang are gone.
I come to Think Progress for the excellent topics, not to read a thread dominated by people just trolling for an argument.
There are plenty of people who post great comments that I enjoy reading, but they’re getting lost amid the noise of these disruptive conversations.
At least at some other sites I’m able to ‘roll up’ the unwanted comments so that I don’t have to look at them. I don’t know if Wordpress has that function, but if it does it would be one way to alleviate some of the irritation of this problem. This also makes the pages easier to scroll through, especially with some of the extra long posts.
Something needs to be done. I can’t speak for anyone but myself but I’m visiting TP less and less. It’s nice when I get to read a thread sans trollers, and I know that others notice it because they usually comment on the fact that it’s nice and peaceful. Can we work towards that being the norm and not the exception, please?
Thank you all.
October 31st, 2007 at 4:00 pmSupporting Bush and the Iraq war because you believe in democracy for everyone jwitter? Bush has a very bad track record on democracy, starting at home. Iraq will be a mess for a long time and will probably turn into another false democracy. Was it worth it for them? Shock and awe was not a “Bringer Of Democracy”. It was pure terror, just as the name implies.
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:45 am@PullingHairOut- Bush is irrelevant. Democracy is a government of imperfect people, by imperfect people, for imperfect people. I would support it no matter who was commander-in-chief.
Every president we have had so far has had some outrageous flaw. Only in dictatorships do they base the value of their society on the holyness of their rulers. (I’m thinking pharoes in Egypt).
You raise a good point, in that Iraq will be a mess for a long time. I agree. But it will be a mess they can fix, if they choose to. I remember that I use to hate doing yard work when I was growing up. My parents would yell and scream and make me go out and work on it. So I broke the mower. Then they got it fixed and yelled some more. Now I have my own yard. I still hate yard work, but I am much more mature in the way that I hate it. :)
November 2nd, 2007 at 5:23 pmA mess they can fix? As in without American involvement? I Have the same feeling about yard work, but this isn’t yard work.
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm