ThinkFast: October 30, 2007
ThinkFast: October 30, 2007
Director of National Intelligence Adm. Mike McConnell will today disclose “that national intelligence activities amounting to roughly 80 percent of all U.S. intelligence spending for the year cost more than $40 billion. … The disclosure means that when military spending is added, aggregate U.S. intelligence spending for fiscal 2007 exceeded $50 billion.”
“The editor of a Baghdad weekly newspaper was murdered” this weekend. “At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.” Nearly 85 percent of those killed were Iraqis.
The U.N.’s investigator on human rights in the fight against terrorism, “said in a report released Monday that he’s concerned about U.S. detention practices, military courts and interrogation techniques.” He urged the U.S. to end extraordinary rendition and close Guantanamo.
“Six years after the Bush administration embraced harsh physical tactics for interrogating terrorism suspects, and two years after it reportedly dropped the most extreme of those techniques, the taint of torture clings to American counterterrorism efforts,” writes The New York Times.
“The growing numbers of foreign fighters in Afghanistan are more violent and extreme than their local allies” and are “helping to change the face of the Taliban from a movement of hard-line Afghan religious students” into a broader network of foreign militants, “disgruntled Afghans,” and drug traffickers.
The largest dam in Iraq is “in serious danger of an imminent collapse” that could lead to “as many as 500,000 civilian deaths by drowning Mosul under 65 feet of water.” A “U.S. reconstruction project to help shore up the dam in northern Iraq has been marred by incompetence and mismanagement.”
“Despite declining violence in Iraq, the shaky state of security is still impeding the nation’s $100 billion recovery and rebuilding effort,” according to a report from the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.
Warren Buffett yesterday told CNBC that he believes there is a “fairly significant” chance that the United States is headed toward a recession.
And finally: Alex Seropian, the co-creator of the video game franchise Halo, is releasing a new game — Hail to the Chimp, a “metaphorical look at the election with 10 animals standing in for the candidates.” A spokeswoman for Seropian said that the game is “nonpartisan,” but has “all the elements of our current administration.” The DC Examiner notes that one chimp also “looks suspiciously like a caricature of President Bush.”
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>Despite declining violence in Iraq, the shaky state of security is still >impeding the nation’s $100 billion recovery
thank god it only costs a measly 75 million dollars to pay off Sunni warlors not to attack us
October 30th, 2007 at 9:09 amClose Guantanamo? Interesting. Then this shirt would become a collector’s item.
http://tshirtinsurgency.com/node/12
Can’t wait for Gitmo nostalgia.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:09 amBuffet is right. The mother of all tax increases the Dems are proposing would certainly throw our country into a deep recession. Couple that with the fact they want to let the Republican tax cuts fade Away and the Dems may even throw us into a depression. Pretty sad when the solutions are so obvious yet one party is driven by the urge for socialism even if it costs America a massive amount of jobs and a sharp decline in GDP.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:10 amThe disclosure means that when military spending is added, aggregate U.S. intelligence spending for fiscal 2007 exceeded $50 billion.â€
So, to what private corporation have we outsourced these activities to enrich them? And, what do we have to show for all that money spent? Does anyone in this country feel safer today than they did before 911? I doubt anyone does. As a matter of fact, I feel less safe today than I did last year or the year before. Every year we manufacture thousands of new terrorists. It is going to be impossible to guard against all of them.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:12 amAnd finally: Alex Seropian, the co-creator of the video game franchise Halo, is releasing a new game — Hail to the Chimp, a “metaphorical look at the election with 10 animals standing in for the candidates.†A spokeswoman for Seropian said that the game is “nonpartisan,†but has “all the elements of our current administration.†The DC Examiner notes that one chimp also “looks suspiciously like a caricature of President Bush.â€
1. I love the idea, and I want the game.
2. ‘Nonpartisan’ and ‘all the elements of our current administration.’ don’t seem to go together
October 30th, 2007 at 9:12 amhttp://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2007/10/30/tuchman.sweet.jesus.cnn
yay my 15 minutes of fame..
October 30th, 2007 at 9:14 amThe U.N.’s investigator on human rights in the fight against terrorism, “said in a report released Monday that he’s concerned about U.S. detention practices, military courts and interrogation techniques.†He urged the U.S. to end extraordinary rendition and close Guantanamo.
The entire world is worried about our actions. The only people not worried are the Bush Crime Family. If I was the mother or father of a soldier in the ME today, I would worry every night about their being captured. Because the people capturing them could do pretty much anything they wanted to do to the soldier, short of beheading them, and justifiably say that they aren’t doing anything the US isn’t doing. And for all we know (which is very little) we could be beheading our prisoners too.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:16 amFrom Iowa, dog shoots hunter…
http://www.kcci.com/news/14441475/detail.html
Wasn’t Cheney hunting this w/e? What chance the dog has been framed?
October 30th, 2007 at 9:17 am$50 billion — well, it takes alot of cash to create dossiers on millions of americans… then ya gotta factor in all those bribes, most excellent ‘conference’ meetings…
October 30th, 2007 at 9:17 amhelping to change the face of the Taliban from a movement of hard-line Afghan religious students†into a broader network of foreign militants, “disgruntled Afghans,†and drug traffickers.
“disgruntled Afghans”. Might those be the friends and family members of all the innocent Afghans we have slaughtered as “collateral damage”?
October 30th, 2007 at 9:18 amThe largest dam in Iraq is “in serious danger of an imminent collapse†that could lead to “as many as 500,000 civilian deaths by drowning Mosul under 65 feet of water.†A “U.S. reconstruction project to help shore up the dam in northern Iraq has been marred by incompetence and mismanagement.â€
Why do I think this is the lead-up to the announcement of a new, emergency no-bid contract to a well-connected construction firm?
October 30th, 2007 at 9:18 amTCDon sez:
Absolutely not.
Next question?
October 30th, 2007 at 9:21 amAt the same time, a U.S. reconstruction project to help shore up the dam in northern Iraq has been marred by incompetence and mismanagement, according to Iraqi officials and a report by a U.S. oversight agency to be released Tuesday. The reconstruction project, worth at least $27 million, was not intended to be a permanent solution to the dam’s deficiencies.
“marred by incompetence and mismanagement”, the story of the Bush Administration. So how many billions of dollars have been lost down that rat hole? How many US contractors are banking millions for either shoddy work or no work?
I hope some day there is an accounting of how much of our taxpayer dollars were squandered in Iraq, going into the coffers of US crony corporations for shoddy or no work. I’m willing to bet that the number will be a real shock.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:22 amYou didn’t include it in your list, but the student at UF who was tased is not going to be prosecuted. That is so kind of the University not to charge the student for the overreaction of the campus security people. Of course the campus security hierarchy found that their people acted correctly. If the UF had put this student on trial, they would have become a total laughing stock.
In this whole incident John Kerry covered himself with more ignonomy. At one time he was a very admirable person. Now he is simply one of the Washington D.C. in-group wrapped up in his warm cocoon. He was nothing more than a stalking horse for his skull & bones buddy, as evidenced by his quick rollover for the swiftboaters and the day after the election.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:23 amI sure don’t feel like I got $50 billion worth of protection. That comes out to roughly $170 for every man, woman and child in this country or $680 for a family of 4. Keep in mind that this is just for intelligence activities. It doesn’t touch homeland security or defense spending. That is 10 times more than this.
How many convictions have we gotten out of this spending. 6 years times $50 billion is $300 billion for 3 convictions. Not much bang for the buck there.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:26 amWarren Buffett yesterday told CNBC that he believes there is a “fairly significant†chance that the United States is headed toward a recession.
No sh|t sherlock! If a family spends like a drunken sailor on their credit card, there will come the day when they have to pay the piper. That plus the unsound economic practices encouraged by this administration (go shopping and buy a house you can’t afford), there’s no way that we are not in for a very hard economic fall.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:27 am#11 – “Do you feel safer today than you did on 9/12/01?” Comment by TCDon — October 30, 2007 @ 9:19 am
I do not feel one tiny, smidgen of a bit safer. In fact, I feel that the US is less safe from terrorism than at any other point in history.
Then again, exactly like your question, it’s all opinions. And we all know what ‘opinions’ are like.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:28 am>On 9/10/01 I was less aware of the terrorist threat, so in that sense I do >not feel safer today than I did “before 9/11.â€
the fact you even take 9-11 in account in worrying about your own safety shows what a moron you are. your more likely to get hit by lightning than killed by a foreigner. your about a million times times more likely to get killed by a car driven by your fellow american than you are by any vehicle piloted by a foreigner.
your actually more likely to die by slipping in the tub, which kills 600 people a year in america, than you are to be killed by a terrorist. (tubs stats courtesy of Time magazine) in this decade, slipping in the tub has killed more americans than arabs have.
care to speculate how much likely it is that if you are killed by someone, it will be one of your fellow americans?
October 30th, 2007 at 9:30 amyay my 15 minutes of fame..
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 30, 2007 @ 9:14 am
That was one “sweet” video clip, CJ
October 30th, 2007 at 9:34 amYou’re a star now.
Can I get your autograph? =)
Do you feel safer today than you did on 9/12/01?
Comment by TCDon — October 30, 2007 @ 9:19 am
Actually, no — I don’t. I remember how I felt on September 12, 2001. I was still reeling from the events of the previous day, as I’m sure most Americans were. But there was a part of me that was confident that we would find Osama bin Laden and round up the rest of his merry men, and bring them all to justice. It was on September 12 that I was aware of the outpouring of sympathy and support from the rest of the world, and I knew we had allies in our effort to seek and destroy the terrorism organization responsible. And I felt that ALL Americans — rich and poor, old and young, Democrat and Republican — were united in their determination to ensure that an event like 9/11 would never again happen here.
Today, none of those comforting feelings remain. We have not brought Osama bin Laden to justice. We have destabilized Iraq, creating a fertile breeding ground for more terrorists. The Taliban is growing, and has become more violent. Foreign insurgents and mercenaries are multiplying like germs in a petri dish. We no longer have the sympathy and support of the world, as many countries see us as the responsible party for the growth of violence in the middle east. And on top of all that, drug production in Afghanistan has escalated. I can’t help but feel some of that product will make it to our shores and magnify drug problems here (like we NEED more domestic problems?).
Do I feel more secure than I did 9/12/01? No. Not by a long shot.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:35 am#7, “From Iowa, dog shoots hunter…
http://www.kcci.com/news/14441475/detail.html
Wasn’t Cheney hunting this w/e? What chance the dog has been framed?”
The dog’s name was Cheney.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:40 am> Can I get your autograph? =)
If you leave a pair of your underwear under your pillow, I’ll have my friend the WMD fairy bring it to me to “personalize” for you. make sure you take a long nap, right now shes busy helping martians hide saddam’s wmd. at least, this is what I understand, from the fact that the theory that Saddam sold his WMD to martians to finance 9-11 has never been conclusively disproven.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:43 amSo a fairer question (to which people may have different opinions) may be: Do you feel safer today than you did on 9/12/01?
Comment by TCDon — October 30, 2007 @ 9:19 am
I knew we weren’t safe as soon as the election was thrown by the SCOTUS. There was never any question that the Bush regime would be ineffective in defending the US from attack, never any doubt that they would do their best to enrich their cronies by any means possible. the only way we would be safer after 9/12 would be to allow the actual winner of the election to take office. Those towers would still be standing if Al Gore hadn’t been the subject of abject treason by the GOP. Bin Laden or Al Qaeda of whomever was tasked with that 9/11 operation got a clear field with the installation of the worst president in US history. The fact that both Bin Laden and Bush are still free bodes very poorly for the future of democracy in this country. Nobody has endangered America more than Bush since 1941.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:45 amThe lying monkey in the White House hjas just spoken to reporters, chiding Congress on “not getting their work done.” Translated, that means they’re not playing the game according to my rules.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:48 amPetulance on display – he did everything but stamp his feet.
the taint of torture clings to American counterterrorism efforts,†writes The New York Times.
More like the Stink of torture now clings to America, like the smell of death clings to a bloated corpse.
Thanks alot Chimpy
Oh, and He couldn’t have done it without Congress helping and turning a blind eye.
So thanks also to all the Repukes and Dems that have enabled him over the last 6 years, yeah, I mean you too, Nancy “Table Phobic” Pelosi.
You assholes have turned this once great country, The United States of America into the Fascist Kook Neocon Empire of “Oh Sh!t!”
FK’NEOS!
October 30th, 2007 at 9:50 am>The lying monkey in the White House hjas just spoken to reporters, >chiding Congress on “not getting their work done.â€
One of the first truly brilliant things this congress has done.. keep throwing childrens healtcare in Dumbyas face, over and over. Its taking such toll on his popularity that even mental midgets like bigfoot can’t continue with thier @assanine “people are waking up” claims.
Since Republicans are on the record as saying they will try to prevent this congress from getting anything done, the Democrats might as well take the opportunity to show Bush as the heartless childhater he is. next they should write a bill giving free healthcare for pregnant mothers and watch the retards like micheal who scream about mommys being mean to thier fetuses collapse in a blistering explosion of cognitive dissonance.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:53 amAbsolutely not.
On 9/12/01, I believed, as did most people, that we were attacked by a small group of terrorists who went after the symbols of wealth and power in this world.
Today, I believe we were attacked by a faction within our own government, whose interest it is to increase and consolidate the power of the Presidency to that of a Dictator and was, and is, capable of killing its own citizens for the sake of such power.
The realization that our own government likely committed the acts of 9/11 is far more disconcerting than the thought of a cave-dweller pulling it off.
Our own government is far more capable of stripping our liberties, our freedoms, our lives, than any terrorist.
And, as far as terrorists go, Bush is responsible for far more civilian deaths than Bin Laden.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:54 amSo a fairer question (to which people may have different opinions) may be: Do you feel safer today than you did on 9/12/01?
Comment by TCDon — October 30, 2007 @ 9:19 am
From terrorism? Yes. Not because of the administration’s actions, but due to my own research efforts over the past six years to better understand the nature and motivations of global terrorism.
From other threats, such as crumbling infrastructure, antiquated air-traffic control, lead-filled consumer products, drying aquifiers, a dysfunctional disaster response system, and the slow creep towards fascist dictatorship, however, I feel quite threatened indeed.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:55 amwarren buffet was on msnbc and today show this morning…
he was talking about the taxing unfairness of the working people
compared to that of the wealthy… he said he himself has no special
accountants nor shelters and pays about 17%… the people who work
in his office pay 35%…
that is not right… and he wants to change it, fix it…
the world needs more warren buffets…
October 30th, 2007 at 9:56 am.
If you leave a pair of your underwear under your pillow, I’ll have my friend the WMD fairy bring it to me to “personalize†for you. make sure you take a long nap, right now shes busy helping martians hide saddam’s wmd. at least, this is what I understand, from the fact that the theory that Saddam sold his WMD to martians to finance 9-11 has never been conclusively disproven.
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — October 30, 2007 @ 9:43 am
Only if she is cute LOL
October 30th, 2007 at 9:57 amDo I feel safer today than I did on 9/12/01?…NO..I have not felt safe or good about our country since 1/01….I knew all about the track record of these thieve’s before they took over the white house. What I did not know was how evil they were and to what length they would go to create fear and distruction….There is no way to fix this madness except to impeach, jail and seize their asset’s…Justice it seem’s will not occure untill we remove Palosi from office, just one more major thing that is not moving forward fast enough and with people dieing for the bush war it can’t happen soon enough.Blessings
October 30th, 2007 at 10:08 am>Only if she is cute LOL
my friend named “curveball”, who drinks heavily and shoots horse tranquilzer into his eyeballs sez shes hot, also, her unatractiveness has never been conclusively disproven. is that good enough for you?
p.s. -also for 20$ and a 40 ounce of Colt 45 he will tell you that your hair looks nice. throw in a carton of cigs and he’ll do it under oath.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:12 am“How many of you on this site really believe that theory that it was our government that blew up the WTC on 9-11 so that they could consolidate power in the President? Is that how most “progressives†really think?”
No. It is but a miniscule amount. An infinitesimal number of paranoid conspiracy theorists.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amHow many of you on this site really believe that theory that it was our government that blew up the WTC on 9-11 so that they could consolidate power in the President? Is that how most “progressives†really think?
Comment by TCDon — October 30, 2007 @ 10:11 am
You’re going to need a much bigger sample than the commenters at TP if you want to decide how “most” progressives (no quotes needed) really think. I suspect, based on your comments here, that you’ve already decided you know how “most” progressives think.
One datapoint: no, I don’t.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:18 amNo. It is but a miniscule amount. An infinitesimal number of paranoid conspiracy theorists.
Comment by Exley — October 30, 2007 @ 10:17 am
No paranoia necessary, Exley. And scarcely “infinitesimal”, either.
There has been a noted lack of transparency from this administration about pretty much everything, including whatever transpired on 9/11 and the days to follow. It’s not surprising that people respond to all that obfuscation and downright lying with suspicion.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:21 am>How many of you on this site really believe that theory that it was our >government that blew up the WTC on 9-11
Why, are you taking a poll? How many of your rightwing tards beleive there is a vast, well organized leauge of islamic supervillians with global reach and influence whose single unyielding goal is to threaten our very existence with thier mighty atomic/WMD super-powers? Your rightards love to scream “conspiracy theory/tinfoil hat”, and yet if someone described everyting you idiots think al-queda is capeable of without describing their ethnic background, and then claimed this organization was a huge threat, you’d be insisting the person making the claims was another tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist . Then, add the fact your talking about arabs and not white people and suddently any amount of conspiracy is not too much for you to beleive.
Answer me this, do you rightwing retards think there has ever been a stateless group of caucasians as powerful as al-queda with who also have less than benevolent motives?
Alot of us dont think the government did it, they just think that the government knew it would going to happen and let it happen to give idiots like you something to tremble in fear about. You probably think this is ridiculous, after all, look at the kooks from the left wing loon reagan administation who believe that: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
A former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel. Left Wing Loon to be sure. Anyone think the government values our citizens too highly to sacrifice should google operation northwoods
October 30th, 2007 at 10:23 amBut, gummitch, as you said in your prior posting, you don’t believe it, correct?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:24 am>An infinitesimal number of paranoid conspiracy theorists.
Al-Queda is a conspiracy, right?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:25 am>An infinitesimal number of paranoid conspiracy theorists.
also, the Mafia is a conspiracy, yes or no? Do you believe in the mafia? Do you believe the Mafia is the only group of powerful white guys who engage in conspiracies? Or you think criminals would NEVER ever venture into, say politics, or arms trafficing, etc.
Tell me exley, what is it about politics that you believe attracts people who are so amazingly honest they would never seek to engage in conspiracies?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:28 amhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/29/83331/268
someone is the government is repeatedly invoking the state secrets privledge to try and keep this former FBI translator from telling her tinfoil hat stories. seems strange they’d go though so much trouble if she was just spouting unsubstantiated nonsense.
any of your right wing loons have the talking points about why the former FBI translator Ms. Siebel Edmonds is a tinfoil hat type?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:30 am>Is that your contention?
Yes, why do you beleive only arabs engage in conspiracies? Why dont you answer any of my questions.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amHow many of you on this site really believe that theory that it was our government that blew up the WTC on 9-11 so that they could consolidate power in the President? Is that how most “progressives†really think?
Comment by TCDon — October 30, 2007 @ 10:11 am
No. I’m not convinced by these theories, and would need to see a lot more concrete evidence to believe that missiles or planted explosives played any role. In fact, I think many of these “progressive” theories are red herrings planted by neoconservatives to distract us from the real conspiracy involving the younger brother of one of the investors in Bush’s failed oil company, who started an international terror organization, possibly with the financial and training support of the CIA. And how people like Khalid bin Mahfouz are involved – the one who eventually took over Salem bin Laden’s holdings in Arbusto, was the director of BCCI, allegedly funded al-Qa’ida and others through his various banks and charitable organizations, and has managed to out-lawyer any reporter attempting to expose him.
Those conspiracy theories are the ones I’m interested in.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amTcDon, do you deny the existence of Operation Northwoods? yes or no?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amTc Don my theory is also the contention of a former FBI translator.. whats the right wing slander on her..?
From the Kos Article: She has, in fact, spent years taking every reasonable step to see that the information she has goes through the proper channels. The Supreme Court refused to hear her whistleblower lawsuit, even in light of the Department of Justice forcing the removal of both her and her own attorneys from the courtroom when they made their arguments concerning why it was that still had to remain gagged under the “States Secrets Privilege.”
October 30th, 2007 at 10:35 amCareful folks… yer letting tcdonnie and ex-lax hijack the thread. They’ve now got all of you defending yourselves against the insinution of being conspiracy nuts.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:35 amNo. It is but a miniscule amount. An infinitesimal number of paranoid conspiracy theorists.
Comment by Exley — October 30, 2007 @ 10:17 am
70% is a miniscule number? haha, you guys are finished.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:37 am>against the insinution of being conspiracy nuts.
I’m just waiting to see whether they admit their are so racist that they think only arabs and greasy italian mafioso’s engage in conspiracies, and that white politicians are so honest they never would.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:39 amBut, gummitch, as you said in your prior posting, you don’t believe it, correct?
Comment by Exley — October 30, 2007 @ 10:24 am
My primary problem with the theory stems from the massive incompetence demonstrated by the band of ideological morons running the government; it’s far too complex and sophisticated for them to pull off and there are too many weasels in this administration to think that it would remain secret if they had. Which they couldn’t.
I think 9/11 caught the Bushies completely flat-footed because Al-Qaeda was not on their radar, and the need to deal with OBL and the Taliban was a distraction from their real plan, which was to invade Iraq and replace Saddam with a puppet dictator (Chalabi). They (and by this I mean Cheney and crew) quickly realized it was a golden opportunity to spread the necessary fear to establish their real goal: the unitary, Republican executive.
I think I’ve got plenty of evidence for my theory.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:39 am>I think 9/11 caught the Bushies completely flat-footed
there you go.. I think you give them too little credit, but god bless you, we’ve got a difference of opinion.
this is more than i can say for the goosestepping replicans who eagerly lap up every conspiracy theory about arabs they can get thier minds around, as long as those theories never implicate thier own people, even when thier own people are holding hands and practically french kissing those arabs. why was the bush adminsitration fighting disclosure of parts of the 9-11 report about the saudis?..hmm. is it because maybe thier very “intimate” relationship might be made uncomfortable by those revelation?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:44 amI can’t imagine any more crazy a conspiracy than the one subscribed to by the ever-shriniking 24%: 19 Saudi and Egyptian lunatics tied up a $400 billion defense sytem for 3 hours with boxcutters. TCDon and exley, looking for conspiracy nuts? Try the mirror.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:45 am#47, Repuplic of Stupidity,
You are mistaken. It was actually Briseadh na Faire in posting #27 at 9:54 AM who initiated the discussion of this topic.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amType of people who right wing. trolls beleive engage in criminal conspiracies:
Arabs and other shifty brown people (for the purposes of destroying the civilized world).
Greasy italians (for the purposes of laundering coke money through arteryclogging pizzerias) .
Big Lipped Negroes (for the purposes of fighting dogs)
Did I miss any group?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amType of people who right wing trolls beleive would never ever engage in conspiracies:
Politicians.
Heads of corporations.
Arms dealers.
Corporate mercenaries
Anyone associated with the state of Israel.
did I miss any other “tinfoil hat” types that are beyond reproach guys.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:51 am>So what caused Flight 93 to crash in Penn?
Guys, while I respect people with all sorts of theories, please dont take this guys bait. He’s completely ignores evidence of less radical theories and is just looking for a reply that Bill O reilly can post on his blog. He’s a little b1tch and a punk who doesnt answer questions because hes afraid to address documented facts.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amSo what caused Flight 93 to crash in Penn? Are you contending that those brave passengers were part of the alleged Bush conspiracy too?
Comment by TCDon — October 30, 2007 @ 10:48 am
If you paid attention, which you hav now proven you don’t do, you would know that there are several witnesses who saw an unmarked jet following Fl 93, and who are on record as stating that Fl 93 was shot down. Your ability to believe a single, solitary word that this government utters marks you as terminally gullible, and the perfect mark for the flim-flam men currently stealing your country from beneath your very nose.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:55 amCJ, who cares about O’Reilly’s opinion, besides the handful of geezers and degenerates who use hime as a soporific?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:56 amHillary Is A Female George Bush
30th of October 2007
by Jay Randal
George W. Bush will go down in history as the worst President, the United States of America ever had, but Sen. Hillary Clinton could receive the 2nd worst slot.
George has been a horribly arrogant haughty leader, who is extremely ignorant of worldwide problems, but Hillary seems to be just as haughty and inept as well.
Hil is far more intelligent than Dubya, alas even a slug has more smarts than him, but she also fails to listen to American majority wanting the Iraq debacle ended.
She is too quick to kiss-up to the corporate elite, thus the “Military Industrial Complex” CEOs consider her a pushover, but nonetheless she acts oblivious to it all.
She has already made up her mind about health care remaining under the control of insurance industry, so she wants to give them more profits, but thinks it OK.
She goes overboard in supporting Israel’s government on everything, including the desire to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age, but claims to seek peaceful solution.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
October 30th, 2007 at 10:56 amTCDon sez:
How do you explain a secondary debris field extending out to eight miles away from the point of impact?
October 30th, 2007 at 10:59 amYou are mistaken. It was actually Briseadh na Faire in posting #27 at 9:54 AM who initiated the discussion of this topic.
Comment by Exley — October 30, 2007 @ 10:47 am
yes, but it is you blindly loyal rightards who refuse to recognize the obviously criminal actions of a goons in charge that day. You you are mistaken. the discussion initiated by Briseadh was skewed by your hysterical accusations. Again, you are a liar.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:59 amPresident Clinton responds this week to 9/11 conspriacy theorists in Minneapolis:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c68_1193347304&p=1
October 30th, 2007 at 11:04 am>CJ, who cares about O’Reilly’s opinion,
not his per se, but the right wing slander machine is asbsolutely desparate to try and set the stage for a censoring of the internet, because the internet, while often full of sleaze and false and misleading fecal matter, is also one of the only tools for the dissemination and sharing of accurate information and debunking false allegations like the type that led us to war in iraq…
mark my word, some day they WILL try to shut down and censor sources of information like this, and I for one will try to avoid giving them ammo to try and shut down the exchange of the information they dont want peopel to know..just my 2 cents.. do what you want..
October 30th, 2007 at 11:04 amMy primary problem with the theory stems from the massive incompetence demonstrated by the band of ideological morons running the government; it’s far too complex and sophisticated for them to pull off and there are too many weasels in this administration to think that it would remain secret if they had. Which they couldn’t.
Comment by gummitch — October 30, 2007 @ 10:39 am
EXACTLY, exactly, exactly.
But the come back to that, Mitch, is that they are soooo diabolically brilliant they are only FEIGNING incompetence. “Chimpy” as he is known is actually Dr. Evil in a monkey mask.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:07 am>President Clinton responds this week to 9/11 conspriacy theorists
Right, we only have kooks like former high ranking reagan adminsinistration
officials thinking the government had some knowledge of it. Oh, and an FBI translator who for some reason isn’t even allowed in the courtroom while
the goverment tells the judges why it has to order her to keep her mouth shut under penalty of law. Exley, how exactly would Clinton be in a position to know what the Bush Administration was up to?
Al-Queda is a conspiracy, is it not?
October 30th, 2007 at 11:07 amPretty funny that the Clinton-haters rely on Clinton to defend them. hey, why quote him? He’s just a liar, according to you.
You guys are hopelessly stupid. Bush counts on that. And you’ve never let him down.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:12 amUnder the “what did we miss” category:
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Rep. Tom Tancredo plans to retire from the House at the end of his term but will continue with his bid for the GOP presidential nomination, his office said Monday.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:13 amEXACTLY, exactly, exactly.
But the come back to that, Mitch, is that they are soooo diabolically brilliant they are only FEIGNING incompetence. “Chimpy†as he is known is actually Dr. Evil in a monkey mask.
Comment by Keltoi — October 30, 2007 @ 11:07 am
and they rely on you being openly gullible. chimpy is a puppet, has been from his days as governor. Cheney has been plotting and planning for 30 years or more. Are you really that stupid? Really?
October 30th, 2007 at 11:14 am>hey, why quote him?
right.. I dont even see this as republicans versus dems. almost all of them are corrupt. dems aren’t as much of active enablers but most enable just the same. at least the ones that have any chance of winning… if they wern’t, bush offficials would be looking at a war with no funds, and they’d also be looking at contempt charges for failing to produce documents required of them by law.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amBut the come back to that, Mitch, is that they are soooo diabolically brilliant they are only FEIGNING incompetence. “Chimpy†as he is known is actually Dr. Evil in a monkey mask.
Comment by Keltoi — October 30, 2007 @ 11:07 am
“Mitch”?
At any rate, at least you’ve acknowledged that this administration is packed with incompetent ideological morons. That’s some progress, anyway.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amUnder the “what did we miss†category:
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Rep. Tom Tancredo plans to retire from the House at the end of his term but will continue with his bid for the GOP presidential nomination, his office said Monday.
Comment by Chris L — October 30, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Delusions of grandeur or just stupid?
October 30th, 2007 at 11:18 amFrom http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/29/AR2007102902130.html?hpid=topnews
Oil and Trade Gains Make Major Investors Of Developing Nations
“The government of Libya, flush with oil, has amassed $40 billion and is ready to put it in play on Wall Street. China recently acquired a huge stake in one of the biggest names in U.S. finance. Tiny Qatar is adding $1 billion a week to its investment coffers and is trying to buy the leading grocer in Britain.
Developing nations, especially in Asia and the Middle East, are aggressively stockpiling some of the largest concentrations of investment money in history. The cash hoards, called sovereign wealth funds, are controlled not by state-run companies or private investors but by governments.”
October 30th, 2007 at 11:18 amDelusions of grandeur or just stupid?
Comment by gummitch — October 30, 2007 @ 11:18 am
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Both.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:18 am>Delusions of grandeur or just stupid?
He’s relying on the “Iran, ain’t that the plural form of Iraq?” Bigfoot types to vote for him.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amhttp://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/world/middleeast/31iran.html?hp
Russian Envoy on Surprise Visit to Iran
TEHRAN, Oct. 30 — The Russian foreign minister will make a surprise visit to Iran today to meet with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and discuss Iran’s nuclear program, Russian and Iranian news agencies reported.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:30 am“…aggregate U.S. intelligence spending for fiscal 2007 exceeded $50 billion.”
That, my friend, is certainly a great lack of intelligence considering what we get for our money.
October 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amI really am curious, has anyone on the right formulated any talking points about why former FBI translator Siebel Edmonds is a tinfoil crackpot type?
Does anyone know of any person who has been a proven fabricator whom the government has gone to such great lengths to keep quiet? I don’t understand, if her allegations are frivilous, why try to keep her silent?
Why would the government invoke the state secrets privledge if there is no truth to hide? makes no sense..
I think that given her deep connections to this government, shes too hard to defame, slander and dismiss as a crackpot so they instead use thier most effective weapon, which is
October 30th, 2007 at 11:34 amsimply to ignore her…
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Rep. Tom Tancredo plans to retire from the House at the end of his term but will continue with his bid for the GOP presidential nomination, his office said Monday.
Comment by Chris L — October 30, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Delusions of grandeur or just stupid?
Comment by gummitch — October 30, 2007 @ 11:18 am
I suspect it’s both — and please add “welching on a bet” to the mix. He promised to drop out of the prez race if the Rockies lost the World Series. Of course, his excuse now is that Mitt Romney never made a similar bet.
No matter — the American people win. Not only will Tancredo never get anywhere near the GOP nomination (and even if he did, the Dems would clean his clock in November), but now he will be out of the House as well.
October 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAnyone else see this quote?
“She knows that if she’s going to go talk to terrorists, she knows there’s a 99 percent chance she will get caught… It’s not my fault, it’s not America’s fault, it’s not the Italian government’s fault, it’s Sgrena’s fault”
- Mario Lozano, alleged shooter of Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari and journalist Giuliana Sgrena.
Nice, eh?
October 30th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThe largest dam in Iraq is “in serious danger of an imminent collapse†that could lead to “as many as 500,000 civilian deaths by drowning Mosul under 65 feet of water.†A “U.S. reconstruction project to help shore up the dam in northern Iraq has been marred by incompetence and mismanagement.â€
Must be a Corps of Engineers project.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmI do not claim to speak for most “progressives.”
I speak based on my research I did following taking, and passing, the California State Bar exam. After dozens of hours of looking at the evidence, I am convinced that the “conspiracy” was one from within.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pm