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- At the least the Bush Adm FDA has proven that Government used to provide quality safe foods and products. But under republican gaovernment control (lack of it) we has e coli spinish, peanut butter, tainted poisonous foods from China and mad cow in beef….

-And as far as reducing costs, Doesn’t Rudi claim to have reduced costs and as well quality in the City of New York while he was mayor?

If it was going to happen, it would have already. Quit with the free market wet dream already.

But I guarantee that Trojan John isn’t embarrassed in the least. Self-awareness is not exactly a common trait among right wingers.

I have diabetes, I walk into an emergency room and proudly announce that I have no health insurance but would like to be treated for diabetes. Presuming that I have no acute symptoms (need a limb amputated, about to pass out in shock) the hospital emergency room will show me the door. There is no requirement for such treatment. Hospital emergency rooms are only required to put the patient into a stable condition. He/she can then be dumped on the sidewalk. Its the law fool. You should be embarrassed for being so dumb.

Comment by Trojan John — October 31, 2007 @ 3:21 pm

Try it. You will get substandard treatment, and then only after waiting a very long time and enduring a lot of harassment. Not to mention the fact that SOMEONE is paying for it, and this is a really, really STUPID way to deliver health care. It costs 3 times as much to treat someone in an emergency room as in an outpatient setting for a non-emergent condition.

The stupidity of this argument is incomprehensible to me.

So TCDon and Roger_Roger, I know you guys are dumb as a rug, but explain to me why other developed countries spending 50 to 60% of what we spend here have better health care on virtually every quantitative measure used in public health science? I know I have asked you dipsh*ts this question before, and you never answered, but please give it a try. Or try shutting up instead.

And someone made a good point on this thread that many people treated for prostate cancer in this country are done so under our own “socialized” medicine program, Medicare. Paul Krugman pointed out the same thing about the right wing talking point about hip replacement.

A case I am working on now, 1 day procedure turned into 3 because of a hospital error kept him 2 more days, hospital charged Medicare and insurance $27,000.00. The hospital had the audacity to charge him an additional $770.00 after what they got from insurances.

What other company can give you horrible service and get paid mega bucks for that terrible service. And why do Americans go along with it?

Now Ghooliani couldn’t even find one legitimate stat where USA is ahead of Canada on healthcare and has to use not only a single isolated datapoint, but a **MADE UP** *SINGLE* *ISOLATED* datapoint to prove his case ??????????????????

And when shown that his data is wrong his campaign states that they will continue to use the bad data ????????????

If you think that everyone deserves access to health care, then it should be “socialized”. If you think that somehow you are better than everyone else and only you should get it, then you are against it.

What is even worse, is that if you have health insurance YOU GET SMALLER BILLS. There are adjustments taken off so insurance companies can pay less than the actual bill – this makes Doctors artificially raise the price of services to ensure they get the most out of ALL insurances. What does that mean for those without? Well, they don’t have money for insurance, but get charged 2x, 3x, even 5x or more what someone with health insurance gets charged.

Example…If insurance company #1 pays up to $50 on a procedure, and ins co #2 pays $150 on a procedure, a doctor will charge $200 or more to make sure he gets the most money from any insurance company. What ends up happening, is that the insurance companies (who slime their way out of paying many valid claims), pay $50 while someone else has to pay the full $200 or more. Sounds like a great system.

Comment by Trojan John — October 31, 2007 @ 3:21 pm

Do that. Go to any hospital and tell then you’d like an annual checkup. Not because anything is wrong, but as a preventative measure. Or because your right shoulder hurts when you move your arm “this way”. You know you can’t, not without insurance or cash.

No insurance, no cash you die.

Comment by Trojan John — October 31, 2007 @ 3:21 pm

Not true. You can only get emergency treatment. You can’t get cancer treatment, or long-term treatment, or anything else. Haven’t you been reading the news about hospitals dropping pajama-clad patients off in the streets? That’s in the USA, of all places. TCDon and all the other rightwing unevolved are more concerned about the shareholders of HMO stocks than about the ordinary citizens of the world’s richest nation, which allows thousands to die needlessly every month because of a profit-driven, corrupt system, called the Free Market. The Free Market is a myth propogated to make the rich richer, and kill the poor. It only exists as a rightwing lie, and will never exist as long as there are greedy people in any society. Wingnuts have long ago abandoned their morals and consciences when it comes to money and control, so they will bend and twist the truth to fit their narrative, and, when that doesn’t work, and when they’re shot down in flames like TCDon has been today, then they will lie outright, as Giuliani very comfortably does, having practiced lying all of his life. By destroying the GOP and burying its corpse next year, we will start on the road to a truly civilized society, one that values people over profit.

England has a wonderful system, having lived there for awhile, one is allowed to choose your own physician or use available services. Care is NOT months in waiting, you can travel to another district for a service that is not quickly available close to you. Financially the doctors are not hurting as the myth is portrayed here.

England’s National Healthcare has been around since 1944 and we here in America need to learn from them, design our own.

You know the Netherlands offered their expertise on rebuilding our levees and we turned away, why do we think we can’t learn from other countries?