ThinkFast: October 31, 2007
ThinkFast: October 31, 2007
One in eight: Number of veterans under the age of 65 who are uninsured, “a finding that contradicts the assumption many have that all vets qualify for free health care through the Department of Veterans Affairs.” Approximately 1.8 million veterans overall lack health coverage, a jump of 290,000 since 2000.
“Preliminary Veterans Affairs Department research obtained by The Associated Press reveals for the first time that there were at least 283 suicides among veterans who left the military between the start of the war in Afghanistan on Oct. 7, 2001 and the end of 2005.”
“Twenty-one states will run out of money for children’s health insurance in the coming year, and at least nine of those states will exhaust their allotments in March if Congress simply continues spending at current levels.” President Bush threatened to veto Congress’ SCHIP legislation yesterday.
Lawmakers have increasingly steered federal funds to “overtly religious organizations — many of which claim proselytizing or religious conversions as their primary function” — using earmarks. For instance, Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) tried to earmark $100,000 for a creationist organization.
“In a shift of strategy that indicates an increasingly weakened political position, President Bush has included at least $2.51 billion for projects unrelated to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in his latest ‘emergency’ supplemental request.”
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates agreed yesterday that “all State Department security convoys in Iraq will now fall under military control.” The move is the latest effort “to bring Blackwater Worldwide and other armed contractors under tighter supervision.”
“Draft legislation that lifts immunity for foreign private security companies gained the consent of the Iraqi cabinet on Tuesday and was sent to Parliament for approval.” Under the approved version, security companies must have “all their weapons be licensed by the Iraqi Interior Ministry.”
Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair “turned down a last-minute offer from President George Bush for Britain to stay out of the Iraq war because he thought it would look ‘pathetic,’” according to a new book on Blair’s tenure.
And finally: “There’s a new birthday card on the market showing President Bush, white earphones in his ears, showing off a new IPod,” called the “I-Pres.” Among the selections on the playlist: ‘Iraq Around the Clock,’ ‘Knockin’ on Iran’s Door,’ ‘Oil Fields Forever,’ and ‘Cheney’s Got a Gun.’”
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And in our debates we spend time mocking Dennis Kucinich for having seen a UFO once. Is it any wonder we have such a sorry state of leadership in this country?
October 31st, 2007 at 9:14 am283 suicides since 2001 for our troops. Imagine how many family members are effected by this. Because of Bu$h’s war, thousands of American families have been ruined. Its sickening.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:21 amI just read that a young boy accidentally started the southern CA blaze while playing with matches. No doubt he’s somehow linked to Al Queda just as Fox predicted.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:22 amI saw nothing in the debates last night that make me want to vote for any of the candidates except maybe Biden. Hil will say whatever she thinks she needs to to win and and Obama is a wimp.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:23 amComedy relief from Australia…
http://timesnews.typepad.com/news/2007/10/post.html
Boogers are for sissies. Real men eat earwax.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:35 amI just read that a young boy accidentally started the southern CA blaze while playing with matches. No doubt he’s somehow linked to Al Queda just as Fox predicted.
Comment by erock
Possibly started ONE out of about two dozen separate fires. One or two other fires are also under investigation for arson. I believe there are also fires in Baja California, Mexico.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:35 amI saw nothing in the debates last night that make me want to vote for any of the candidates except maybe Biden.
So, what are you going to do, vote for a Republican? There are good candidates there and the best is Kucinich. Did they marginalize him again like they have at all the other debates?
It is time for us to scrap our two party system and the electoral college. Let’s have people run on their own merits and have a winner take all election where the top vote getter is President and the second is Vice President. Wouldn’t that be novel? Could end up with a President and vice President with different ideas who would have to work together.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:37 amupside99
I’ve had some positive views of Biden, but he seems very prone to “stupid attacks”. As for Hillary, at some level, unfortunately, politicians have to say the “right” things to different audience. On the other hand, in my opinion, Hillary also seems to understand the complexities and nuances of the world-wide political landscape and rather than give a Bush-like black-or-white assessment she tries to leave herself maneuvering room in that landscape.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:37 amI just read that a young boy accidentally started the southern CA blaze while playing with matches. No doubt he’s somehow linked to Al Queda just as Fox predicted.
Comment by erock — October 31, 2007 @ 9:22 am
If we hadn’t diverted all our funding from Smokey the Bear to Iraq, this would never have happened.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:38 am“In a shift of strategy that indicates an increasingly weakened political position, President Bush has included at least $2.51 billion for projects unrelated to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in his latest ‘emergency’ supplemental request.
Great! Expect more of your tax dollars being squandered and nobody will know what happened to it, and nobody will be held accountable….
all I have to say is lead by example you piece of sh*ts.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:39 amOf course the reichwing will continue to teabag all healthcare spending. Their “personal responsibility†is to mislead people into thinking fried bananas to be GOOD for the heart. LOSERS!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 9:37 am
Good for the heart? Nah. But tostones and maduros are definitely good for the soul. Aww yeah.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:40 amKucinich kicked EVERYONES ass at the debates last night…
you want a leader? KUCINICH is it.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:40 am“In a shift of strategy that indicates an increasingly weakened political position, President Bush has included at least $2.51 billion for projects unrelated to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in his latest ‘emergency’ supplemental request.â€
If the Congress really wants to end this war, they have the perfect avenue to do it. Tell Bush that he will get no more “off the books” emergency appropriation money for Iraq. He has to put the money he wants on the budget with corresponding budget cuts to pay for it. That way the American public would really understand how much this fiasco is costing us. The second way they can end the fiasco is to refuse to pay for contractors. Take out 40% of the money Bush asks for since that is what the Contractors are costing us. Without Bush’s private army, he won’t be able to keep our soldiers in Iraq.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:41 amt is time for us to scrap our two party system and the electoral college. Let’s have people run on their own merits and have a winner take all election where the top vote getter is President and the second is Vice President. Wouldn’t that be novel?
Comment by bilbobaggins
I agree and this is something the Founders wanted. They did NOT want political parties. Our system is becoming a lousy example of democracy. How about an instant runoff voting system? In that system the top vote getter actually always wins with a MAJORITY vote, not a simple plurality.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:42 amUnder the approved version, security companies must have “all their weapons be licensed by the Iraqi Interior Ministry.â€
Uh ho…Bush isn’t going to like that. Can’t have his private army under the scrutiny of the Iraqi government. When is the Iraqi government going to tell us to leave? The people want us out. It looks like the Iraqi government doesn’t listen to the people any more than our government listens to the people.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:43 amHillary was exposed lastnight for waffling she did at the end regarding the driver’s liscenses for illegal aliens. Dodd touched a chord stating that driving is a priviledge. I thought Both Biden and Dodd came off well lastnight.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:44 amComment by erock — October 31, 2007 @ 9:22 am
A regular Al Kiddie
October 31st, 2007 at 9:45 amRichardson believes in special treatment for latinos. He was asked why he had no position on Gonzo and he said it’s because they’re both latinos
October 31st, 2007 at 9:47 amBut the war cabal will never run out of money to finance wars.
You would think after Democrats won the House things will change..but the military industrial complex cash feeding will never end.
Whether Bush,Giuliani..or Hillary in power, nothing will change, health care is secondary,and even started to like a privilage.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:51 amComment by CZ-1 — October 31, 2007 @ 9:35 am
DO NOT feed the troll! Do not follow along!
Do YOU want me to label you a troll feeder?
Comment by republicans hate facts
I thought #3 was sarcasm. I didn’t realize “erock” was a troll—I guess the trolls’ name rotation system threw me off. I was merely stating some facts.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:51 amKucinich isn’t too shabby, but Richardson is IT. A Richardson presidency would provide the Latino majority JUSTICE and rightfully return the promise land of the southwest BACK to Mexico, which is OVERDUE!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 9:45 am
Why does this feel like a namejacking to me? Especially taken in conjunction with the hysterical response earlier, this just doesn’t feel right.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:52 amWhy does this feel like a namejacking to me?
Comment by gummitch — October 31, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Because you’re intelligent.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:53 amI agree with most youL: All the Dems have to put up for election that made any sense last night were Biden, Dodd and Kucinich. I have always liked Kucinich’s honesty and find both Biden and Dodd to have integrity. The others, not so much. Pretty slim pickings this time around.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:54 amRegardless of who wins this dog race, let’s make Ms. Kucinich 1st Lady.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:57 amRegardless of who wins this dog race, let’s make Ms. Kucinich 1st Lady.
Comment by Zimzone — October 31, 2007 @ 9:57 am
Arf!
October 31st, 2007 at 9:58 amThe Democrats and Republicans in the Congress will ultimately pay for their greasy, scheming, backstabbing fleecing of the American people. Ya’ want Fascism? You don’t need to look beyond our borders. But Fascism is an inherently flawed political system in that it is unbalanced – as in there are no checks and balances. When something is unbalanced, it falls.
Thanks to the dickheads we have elected/appointed, we are heading for an economic crisis the likes of which the world has never known. When it happens, all bets are off. The extremely intricate house of cards we have built will fall, taking with it our political system, national identity, and any sense of the security we knew during the Pax Americana. The masses will, as they always do, take their revenge on those who precipitated the problems (and, as is usual, the masses will overdo it by a factor of 5 or more).
It’s gonnna’ make great history.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:59 amComment by republicans hate facts
So you’re arguing that Richardson’s silence on whether Gonzo should’ve quit is justice?
That his reasoning behind his silence is racially motivated is justice?
And gummitch, it’s no namejacking. Seriously, check out all his other posts. He’s an angry little man who jumps down everybody’s throat who doesn’t agree with everything he says, and calls them trolls. Just check his previous posts.
October 31st, 2007 at 9:59 amI am not aware of Bill Richardson ignoring misdeeds, (or in Gonazles’ case, outright corruption), if one is Latino.
That really disappoints me, if true. He’s by far the best diplomat in both groups of candidates, he’s done all he could to clean up N. Mexico, (except get rid of Bigfoot), and he’s had global foreign service & experience.
Say it ain’t so…
October 31st, 2007 at 10:06 amI’m being namejacked, I’m being namejacked!
Now gummich can enjoy his oatmeal with assurance. Come back, gummitch, when you’re in a better mood!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 10:11 am
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I had thought rhf was not a nut, and apparently I was wrong.
At any rate, it wasn’t oatmeal, but rather sausage and scrambled eggs. But thanks for the support.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:16 amAnd gummitch, it’s no namejacking. Seriously, check out all his other posts. He’s an angry little man who jumps down everybody’s throat who doesn’t agree with everything he says, and calls them trolls. Just check his previous posts.
Comment by Wilco — October 31, 2007 @ 9:59 am
I stand corrected. Or sit, anyway.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:16 amAmericans should know by now that it is not the best who wins the Presidency.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:20 amOT but this just in (as a comparison of how things could be going)…
Canada’s government projected an C$11.6 billion budget surplus for the 2007-08 fiscal year on Tuesday and said it would pay down C$10 billion of the national debt.
In a fall fiscal update, Ottawa also projected there would be surpluses through to the 2012-13 fiscal year and said it expected the federal government’s debt-to-GDP ratio would fall below 25 percent by 2011-12, a full three years earlier than the original target.
Remember when your govt had a surplus. Clinton did it too! Wait, that’s actually applicable this time. Canada is also dropping their GST, personal & corporate taxes… all that with healthcare for all. Go figure.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:22 amIf by a miracle Rob Paul wins the Republican nomination, I will vote Republican for the first time, and if that does not happen I will simply not vote at all, because I am done with voting for people who think our miliitary is a foreign policy tool. Comment by criticalthinker
I take it that you are not a Progressive. If you are, you better take a stronger look at Ron Paul. He may be right on the issue of Iraq, but other than that he’s a pretty far out libertarian who wants to do away with government and privatize everything.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:22 amYa gotta love Vitter – He’s a first class whore and whoremonger.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:24 amI have always liked Kucinich’s honesty and find both Biden and Dodd to have integrity. The others, not so much. Pretty slim pickings this time around.
Comment by upside99
It’s always been slim pickings. Any candidate with integrity is not the one with the money and political influence necessary to get the attention of the Media. And without media attention, a candidate has virtually no chance of being elected. Personally I would love to outlaw any form of campaigning other than the written word. No 30 second sound bites, no smear ads being run on TV 24/7. Just the written word published in a publication or mailed to the public. That would force people to actually think about who they want to vote for rather than going on name recognition.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:28 amGET IT, REPUGNISCUM TROLL?
Comment by republicans hate facts
There you go, gummitch.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:32 amAngry, angry little man. Prefers to attack people and slander them rather than reason one little bit.
He might not be a troll, but he’s at least as bad as any of the ones on here.
It’s always been slim pickings. Any candidate with integrity is not the one with the money and political influence necessary to get the attention of the Media. And without media attention, a candidate has virtually no chance of being elected.
Comment by bilbobaggins — October 31, 2007 @ 10:28 am
And, unfortunately, the leading Dem candidate is the biggest corporatist ever to run for President, which makes us pretty well fu(ked.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:34 amLawmakers have increasingly steered federal funds to “overtly religious organizations — many of which claim proselytizing or religious conversions as their primary function†— using earmarks. For instance, Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) tried to earmark $100,000 for a creationist organization.
Dem’s promised to open up the legislative process, yet all continues as before. If members of any local government organization attempted to operate in the manner utilized at the congressional level, they would be run out of office. It continues to remain unacceptable, in my opinion, for elected Federal representatives to govern by their rules in a fashion which eliminates transparency and accountability. The borrowed Federal dollars are not theirs to spend as they wish without public review and justification of purpose. If they want to give money away to their favorite religious, or even charity organization, let them use their personal funds, just like “normal” voters. Earmarks should be renamed, “personal slush fund to pay off selected supporters” and all openly displayed so voters can ask the hard questions necessary to hold them accountable.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:35 amComment by bilbobaggins
I’m not a fan of Kucinich. I agree with Biden: what I like best about him is his wife.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:36 amPeole throw the word “integrity” around regarding him and I cringe. This is the same man who camps out at the House when the president will be addressing congress so he can make sure he gets an aisle seat to shake his hand.
He also refuses time and again to debate any challenger to his seat.
Although, his most of his policies aren’t too bad.
Get a grip and come to terms with the realities of climate change, CONCERN TROLL.
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 9:33 am
It’s an open thread — lighten up.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:50 amI’m not a fan of Kucinich. I agree with Biden: what I like best about him is his wife.
Peole throw the word “integrity†around regarding him and I cringe. This is the same man who camps out at the House when the president will be addressing congress so he can make sure he gets an aisle seat to shake his hand.
He also refuses time and again to debate any challenger to his seat.
Although, his most of his policies aren’t too bad.
Comment by Wilco
Do you care to provide proof of any of these allegations about Kucinich? If you can’t, then perhaps you should STFU. You are beginning to sound like a troll to me. Kucinich has more integrity in his big toe than all the other candidates combined.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:51 amI have two comments. The first is that w cannot be seen a an “increasingly weakened political position” when the dims, led by the intrepid nancy, are preparing to roll over easily for w’s funding desires. The dims are making some kind of unintelligible noises about funding being tied to blah blah blah, but that is for show.
My second comment is that the comment at #3 by erock must be sarcasm and he/she did not think that it was worth coming back after being called a troll by someone that didn’t read the posting carefully.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:52 amComment by bilbobaggins — October 31, 2007 @ 10:51 am
I think Wilco was talking about Biden.
October 31st, 2007 at 10:53 amZooey, I was talking about Kucinich.
I have no links, unfortunately. But look at SOTU footage. He’s there.
And the Cleveland Plain Dealer had an article months ago on his refusal to debate anyone for his seat.
And what’s with people here accusing critics of being trolls?!
So it’s ok to dislike Clinton, but if I don’t like Kucinich, I should STFU unless I can back up my criticism?
Please….
October 31st, 2007 at 11:04 amWilco,
Really? It sounded just like Biden. :-D
Nerves are on edge, and I think it will get worse before it gets better.
1/20/09
October 31st, 2007 at 11:14 amComment by CZ-1 — October 31, 2007 @ 9:35 am
DO NOT feed the troll! Do not follow along!
Do YOU want me to label you a troll feeder?
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 9:39
Heh, heh, heh. That’s telling ‘em. Bet they’re ascirred now, bud! ;)
October 31st, 2007 at 11:15 amTroll ALERT! Troll of the day!
NOBOBY placed an order for you, did they, REPUBLICANCERVATIVE LOSER BOY?
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Danger, Danger Will Robinson! You’re loonier than usual today, bud. Must be All Hallows Eve. ;)
October 31st, 2007 at 11:21 am” A Richardson presidency would provide the Latino majority JUSTICE and rightfully return the promise land of the southwest BACK to Mexico, which is OVERDUE!”
Comment by republicans hate facts
So what about the native Americans? Shouldn’t they get their land back as well?
What are ya’ smoking, and where can I score some?
October 31st, 2007 at 11:35 amI seem to remember something about a Trail of Tears…
How about those native Americans, RHF? Give them the same deal?
October 31st, 2007 at 11:38 amOr you could just apologize for being silly, and suggesting we give land back to some, and not to others.
October 31st, 2007 at 11:40 amrepublicans hate facts is in charge of TP now.
We trolls need to back off and let him handle things around here.
October 31st, 2007 at 11:42 amFirst off,
I’m not your “budâ€
Second,
I’m a RESIDENT here at TP, while you are a certified RESIDENT TROLL.
Third,
I’m not AFRAID of ANY Republibums, I’m only scaring you weepers AWAY. ENJOY YOUR DAY — WHILE IT LASTS! HAHAHAHA!!!
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 11:30
Dang, bud, there’s your problem. I’d be in a snit too, if I lived in a blog. Get out, take some personal responsibility and get yourself a house!
I was unaware that there is certification for those who disagree with you. Very cool!
I didn’t mean that you were afraid, bud, just that you resemble the robot. I’m sure you are very, very brave.
But, do your arms flail about when that “troll alert, troll alert” cry takes hold of ya?
I’m reasonably sure this glorious day will last until midnight and I do intend to enjoy it all of it, thanks. ;)
October 31st, 2007 at 11:43 am“What makes you THINK I would abandon them from plans?”
Well, if you really cared about social justice, you’d have mentioned them as well. But since you only cared about making a silly point about Mexico, it didn’t come to mind – am I correct?
October 31st, 2007 at 11:43 am“Keep it up barfly, you were just about to receive my approval around this place.”
Comment by republicans hate facts
You’ve obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit.
October 31st, 2007 at 11:45 am#20 HiB,
‘Hillary was exposed lastnight for waffling she did at the end regarding the driver’s liscenses for illegal aliens. Dodd touched a chord stating that driving is a priviledge. I thought Both Biden and Dodd came off well lastnight.
Comment by hellinabucket — October 31, 2007 @ 9:44 am’
I agree. I referenced that last night on another thread. That was Hillary’s worst moment and Dodd’s best. Still, overall, it appears that Hillary was the “winner” last night (The other winner was Rudy Giuliani…Seeing Hillary’s Democratic opponents savagely criticizing her last night must have made Rudy smile).
October 31st, 2007 at 11:45 amComment by Exley
I liked Biden’s take on Ghouliani.
October 31st, 2007 at 11:47 amNerves are on edge, and I think it will get worse before it gets better.
1/20/09
Comment by Zooey
Point taken. You are so wise and sage.
October 31st, 2007 at 11:47 am1-20 will be a good day. President Not A. Republican will be a great improvement!
Keep it up barfly, you were just about to receive my approval around this place.
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 11:42 am
WTF is wrong with you?
No one here needs your fcking approval and you are attacking regular TP posters calling them trolls.
October 31st, 2007 at 11:55 amBarfly,
I thought Biden’s remarks were a bit flippant about 9/11, but he really did go after Giuliani’s experience. Rudy is the GOP candidate the Democrats are most nervous about facing.
By the way, “Ghouliani” — I get it…It’s Halloween. Very good.
October 31st, 2007 at 11:59 am“Oh, MEXICO will GET there land, loser boy! And Native Americans will give YOU a rude awakening.”
Make that 3/4 of a rude awakening. I’m 1/4 Cherokee.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:05 pm“By the way, “Ghouliani†— I get it…It’s Halloween. Very good.”
Comment by Exley
No, I meant his way of linking everthing to the dead of 9/11.
To me, that’s ghoulish.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:07 pmI thought Biden’s remarks were a bit flippant about 9/11, but he really did go after Giuliani’s experience. Rudy is the GOP candidate the Democrats are most nervous about facing.
By the way, “Ghouliani†— I get it…It’s Halloween. Very good.
Comment by Exley — October 31, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Rudy is probably the least qualified candidate on the Republican side, which in current Republican trends means he will get the nomination.
Nervous? Hardly… as lacking as the Democratic field is, the Republican side seems just pathetic to me, they are all a bunch of torture humpers ( other than Ron Paul )
October 31st, 2007 at 12:08 pmComment by Wayne
Isn’t “none of the above” still the most popular republican candidate?
October 31st, 2007 at 12:11 pmfirst glance at that picture, i thought it was going to be :
“One in eight: Number of veterans” who place their hand over heart
when the National Anthem is played… it COULD be… guessing that
that is what’s going on in that setting…
the obama flap got me to thinking of all the events i’ve been at and made mental notes of how many people did NOT place hand over heart… that would be the great majority of people did not… it’s an old girl-scout habit with me, so i’ve noticed… very few people do that…
just thinking out loud (in type?)…
October 31st, 2007 at 12:11 pm.
Wayne, I disagree on yiour “current Republican trends” point, but I get what you mean.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:13 pmSure GW was grossly underqualified. But his dad — at least on paper — was about as qualified as you can get! He had all the experience in the world and was still a truly craptastic president.
It just seems that Republicans just don’t make good presidents. How do you effectively govern that which you despise?
And Native Americans will give YOU a rude awakening.
Comment by republicans hate facts — October 31, 2007 @ 11:54 am
So what are we Native Americans doing again?
I seem to have missed getting a memo….
My alarm clock was rude and awakened me this morning…..
October 31st, 2007 at 12:15 pmRHF has to be a joke, after that post!
October 31st, 2007 at 12:15 pmEither he’s trying to make Libs look bad or he’s really that nutso (and that’s hard to believe)
Wayne, I disagree on yiour “current Republican trends†point, but I get what you mean.
Comment by Wilco — October 31, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Start from Dwight D. Eisenhower and move forward. If the Republicans keep that trend, in 20 years they will be nominating the garden cactus. =D
October 31st, 2007 at 12:19 pmoy… i should warn that i haven’t read any posts… just jumped in…
could you tell?
carry on…
October 31st, 2007 at 12:19 pm‘morn’n, Katy,
I have to add one Vet is saluting, as well, which is always appropriate…
I still salute. In fact, it’s the only thing I salute these days.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:19 pmI have concluded that RHF is a neocon masquerading as a progressive in order to make “the left” look very loony. The more we engage it, the more ridiculous its brand of “progressive thought” becomes. We need to either ignore it or else thouroughly and resoundingly marginalize it.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:24 pm90, PLC,
I agree. I haven’t poked ‘it’ yet on purpose.
Sounds an awful lot like Capital ‘P’ to me…
October 31st, 2007 at 12:27 pmNervous? Hardly… as lacking as the Democratic field is, the Republican side seems just pathetic to me, they are all a bunch of torture humpers ( other than Ron Paul )
Comment by Wayne — October 31, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Also other than McCain. Yes, the man’s a warmonger. But whatever anybody thinks about his position on other issues, he’s got it right on torture. That’s probably because he’s the only candidate who’s ever experienced it firsthand.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:29 pmI still salute. In fact, it’s the only thing I salute these days.
Comment by Zimzone — October 31, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I salute as well. Haven’t held my hand over the heart since grade school, I think
October 31st, 2007 at 12:30 pmComment by republicans hate facts
You’re hilarious! I get it! You’re an over-the-top parody of “lefties”
October 31st, 2007 at 12:34 pmRHF has to be a joke, after that post!
Either he’s trying to make Libs look bad or he’s really that nutso (and that’s hard to believe)
Comment by Wilco — October 31, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
As a frequent target of his deranged abuse, I have often thought that if I WERE going to be a troll – someone who was deliberately setting out to sabotage the TP agenda – I’d be like RHF, a mouth foaming, insult hurling child who thinks his is the only opinion that matters and everyone else is fair game for wild invective. I’ll admit, this morning he is in especially rare form.
What I really am is a moderate conservative who likes the debate I find here – I am always baffled when I am called a troll or people call for my comments to be flagged because I don’t agree with 100% of the TP agenda.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:43 pmComment by republicans hate facts
Too funny! I bet you can go on for days like this!
October 31st, 2007 at 12:44 pmKeltoi, there are people like that on here. Some are really touchy and see every criticism as an attack. But most are good, compassionate people. The other people just bark louder.
October 31st, 2007 at 12:48 pmzimzone, wayne – i’m guessing that your saluting stems from military service… i’ve never been there… it makes no sense to me for anyone who hasn’t been in the militay to salute…
the mention of gradeschool reminded that i attended a parachial school during that girlscout time… not sure which had the bigger influence on the “hand over heart” thing…
October 31st, 2007 at 1:26 pm…
someone commented way up top…
“I just read that a young boy accidentally started the southern CA blaze while playing with matches.”
Interesting how the corporate media (not fox that’s another story) was talking about how whoever lit the fires was very intelligent and informed about where and how to light fires.
Fox as we all know now spun the TERROR angle.
And did you watch the debates? My God.
I think it’s high time to protest in front of the Network TV stations.
And then there’s something else I have noticed an increase in lately. Cyber Warfare.
this is specifically (My Definition) attacks, exploits, mis representation of identity, trolls, bots, ddos, worms, virii, misinformation, and social engineering.
(did I miss some)
Basically anything electronic being used against the people and civil rights.
It pissed me off, when I saw my name being used to post some crap. But then with electronics how can you validate anything? Answer: you can’t. That’s why it’s bad to allow electronics to count the vote.
There’s other angles. but hey, this is my first post here.
October 31st, 2007 at 1:42 pmComment by katy — October 31, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Yeah, habit from the Army, also I was in the Boy Scouts for a couple years, heh
October 31st, 2007 at 1:42 pmAnd lets not forget about the VA database fiasco.
I got my lettter from the VA, were sorry your private information couldn’t be kept classified.
October 31st, 2007 at 1:51 pmAnyway, that’s old news.
There needs to be a complete cleanse of folks that deal with classified information in our government.
For example and oath to skull and bones vs. and oath of office
This is just nuts.
October 31st, 2007 at 1:54 pmThe skull and bones property should be torn down, and reverse engineered. The public should know EVERYTHING about them, or they should not be allowed to work in government.
This ain’t a religion. So it has no protection there.
It’s national security, just like COUNTING VOTES!
October 31st, 2007 at 1:55 pmI also don’t like that Philly Chese Debate.
Gravel was kept out by General Electric. GE, General friggin Electric.
Then look at Chris Dodd . COM at the TIME . JPG
Look who has been given the big mouth.
Screw this.
It’s time to HOLD the MEDIA accountable. PROTEST AT THE NETWORK TV STATIONS. Forget Washington DC!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2007 at 2:00 pm#79
Barfly,
Regardless, it was still pretty clever.
October 31st, 2007 at 2:01 pmAre we supposed to salute General Electric?
Did General Electric swear an oath of office?
Is General Electric a god damn human being?
I still think Tim Russert sucks
October 31st, 2007 at 2:22 pm“It doesn’t matter, because I’M an ally. Native Americans AND Mexico will BOTH be receiving their land — ALL of it — when the time comes, and they’ll reward ME for being part of the movement while penalizing YOU for being protectionist!
Keep PRETENDING to be progressive. YOU ARE NOT DOING YOURSELF ANY FAVORS, REPUG!”
Comment by republicans hate facts
I’m a Repug, and you’re an intellectual hack. Boy, when you go over the top, you really go whole hog. Did you receive some missive from this imaginary group, telling you how you’d be rewarded? Talk about delusional…
October 31st, 2007 at 3:29 pmComment by republicans hate facts
My apologies. Perhaps we should devise some secret virtual handshake?
October 31st, 2007 at 8:45 pmThe reality of the matter is that
when you say,
“Native Americans AND Mexico will BOTH be receiving their land — ALL of it — when the time comes”
It pisses people off.
And you know what, I have M friends and NA friends and they agree. Although I might be the exception to the rule since I am loved as family. And frankly I don’t want to piss you off. But think. The United States uses PROPERTY. treats things as property. the land can no longer be sacred under that duress.
and folks can argue all they want.
The problem with this discussion is that you have changed the topic from VETERANS who have no health care (like I don’t) to a question of who owns the USA.
The PEOPLE OWN USA. And The People own the government. And there are less people in the government than folks like us. So THEY better watch out. Time is on OUR side.
Now you want to argue about MEXICO and Native Americans OWNING us?
I’ll go there. You probably right. They probably DO own us. But you better wake up to what I just said or it’s all hell broken loose and nobody will win.
And before you totally tweak out. I speak some Spanish, and I been to Tikal, Guatamala, Costa Rica and SEEN what’s up. I seen it back in 1974! Since that’s when I went. http://www.sacxtra.com/tikal/ love me hate me.
It’s WHO I AM, and WHEN I WENT.
Now I am just a soul with the knowledge of Pagan’s and Wiccan’s and Humanism’s and Golden Dawn and very angry at the crap I see.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:24 amOh yeah that is a dirt runway, ever been on a dirt runway?
November 1st, 2007 at 6:28 amCockpit doors? heh, I could spill my coca-cola on the pilot by accident!
Parachutes? What in the Trees of the Jungle?
Guess what, the NEXT DAY, the plane crashed on that runway.
I was almost on it. We Almost stayed another day.
Life is precious. It’s time to realize that.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:33 amoh yeah everyone died.
Look it up in whatever Guatemala’s newspaper was back in 1974.
Go ahead. Look it up.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:34 amit was around Christmas.
Cause I celebrated that in the Market place of Antigua.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:38 amI remember that WHITES were not allowed on the Church Steps as Drunks lit off hella fireworks out of their bare hands.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:43 amI don’t disagree that M’s and NA’s own the USA.
But that sure don’t solve the problem of the lack of health care. ( NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH INSURANCE)
November 1st, 2007 at 6:45 amYou got something else to tell me?
November 1st, 2007 at 6:46 amTake millions of dollars away from the network TV.
and the Federal reserve, and put it on HEALTH CARE.
END THIS CRAP WAR.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:06 am