Bush: ‘war on terror’ critics are ‘disingenuous or naive.’
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Bush: ‘war on terror’ critics are ‘disingenuous or naive.’
Today in his speech at the Heritage Foundation, President Bush attacked critics of the term “war on terror,” saying that “people who deny we are at war are either being disingenuous or naive.” He added, “We are at war — and we cannot win this war by wishing it away or pretending it does not exist.” Watch it:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/bushgwotheritage.320.240.flv]
Yet in September, Bush’s own Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen banned the phrase “Global War on Terror” from “any future correspondence.” In 2004, Bush himself admitted:
We actually misnamed the war on terror, it ought to be the struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies who happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free world.
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You are gonna swing boy.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:25 pmWe actually misnamed the war on terror, it ought to be ‘the struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies who happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free world’.
or,
‘tsaiewdnbifswhtutaawtttstcotfw’, for short.
Yeah, that will make those guys think.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:26 pmBush is a big crybaby. Bush supporters are also a bunch of whining crybabies. Like the trolls at this site, for example.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:28 pmWe can’t end this aggression (war) by wishing it away.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pmLet’s try voting it away first.
Bush and his gangster neo-con administration is at war with our democracy, our freedom of expression, our Bill of Rights, our Constitution and the poor people of the third world, especially Muslims, who happen to have some oil beneath their sandy lands…
November 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pmDid Bush recently get injured, need a transfusion and instead of blood, someone used a vinegar I.V.?
November 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pmNo attacks on US Soil since 9/11? Besides an outright lie you can ignore the Anthrax terror attack following 9/11 and chalk that up to an incovenient truth since no one has been caught either.
State Dept shows a 400% increase in 2005 alone to more than 11,000 terrorist attacks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042802181.html
Our embassy (our soil) in Athens was attacked in January 12th of this year. Good lord talk about drain bamage Bush.
Who listens to this baffoon. other than spineless Dem reps that is?
November 1st, 2007 at 3:31 pm“Condi Rice was later overheard saying, ‘Who taught him those words?!?’”
November 1st, 2007 at 3:32 pmClassic Bush/Rove – accuse your opponents of your own greatest weakness.
I’m just not sure if it’s a political strategy, or a psychological condition.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:34 pmThis man sounds more like the President of the he-man’s woman hating club (little rascals) than the POTUS. How can the leader of te so-called free world stoop to such low levels of rhetoric, what has become of the office of the POTUS, what happened to restoring dignity and respect to the White House, what happned to civility and respecting ones opinion, I mean what has become of us, and how can some of you still support someone who is acting in total opposition of what he claims to be…….Christian.
These Armageddonists (modern day Repuppetcans) are making us look like fools. The hatred, the vitriol, the divisions are gonna cause this our country to rot, and some are to ignorant or scared to take a stand and say not in my name are you gonna treat my fellow man/woman in this disrespectful manner.
And for what other reason are you willing to break this country of all of its treasures, that being it’s people………………….POWER!!
All GOOD people need to wake up and realize that this is not about political preferences. this is about wrong and right. and this administration and its followers are wrong for ALL OF US!!!
What the hell has happened?
RIP
November 1st, 2007 at 3:35 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
“I will protect your fears”
–GWB
Seriously what a repugnant failure. What other political leader instills fear other than a terrorist. That in itself is the defenition of terrorism is for the purpose of political gain.
This loser tells reporters directly, and on camera, “they want to kill your children.”
FDR is rolling over in his grave.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:35 pmOur embassy (our soil) in Athens was attacked in January 12th of this year. Good lord talk about drain bamage Bush.
Comment by Your Conscience — November 1, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Attacks on embassies only count when they happen during Clinton’s term don’t you know.
(snark off)
November 1st, 2007 at 3:36 pmfrom his speech:
“History teaches that underestimating the words of evil, ambitious men is a terrible mistake.”
You got that right!
November 1st, 2007 at 3:39 pmLike this dull, narrow-minded egomaniac even understands the meaning of the word “disingenuous”.
But wait. Bill Clinton did something, somewhere, that wasn’t ok, so I better stop criticizing Bush.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:40 pmI feel a draft from the right.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:40 pmYeah Bush, we’re all stupid and you’re the smart one :rolleyes:
November 1st, 2007 at 3:40 pmWe are at war — and we cannot win this war by wishing it away or pretending it does not exis
*****How about asking the very rich in our society to contribute to your war ? repeal the tax cuts to the top 1% Mr.Prez.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:41 pmneed to find his own words, but the implication pisses me off…
Bush to Democrats: ‘We Are at War’
November 1st, 2007 at 3:41 pmBy JENNIFER LOVEN – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush compared Congress’ Democratic leaders Thursday with people who ignored the rise of Lenin and Hitler early in the last century, saying “the world paid a terrible price” then and risks similar consequences for inaction today.
[...]
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j057jBReERcsF-FcZRSWe0h1gaXQD8SL1FAO0
…
“War on Terror” is incorrectly dubbed and should be Bush’s “War Against Americans”.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:42 pmSure we can, Mr. President. We can:
P rotest
R esist
E xpress
T hink
E nergize
N eutralize
D efund
and, thereby, end this fiasco.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:42 pm“We actually misnamed the war on terror, it ought to be the struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies who happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free world.”
It really ought to be called the “War OF Terror,” and defined as the struggle against free societies (especially the U.S.) utilizing terror as a weapon to undermine the democracies of the world (especially the U.S.)
November 1st, 2007 at 3:42 pmVanthomas: There will be a “group swing”, no doubt about it.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:43 pm“We actually misnamed the war on terror, it ought to be the struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies who happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free world.”
Project much, GW?
This is PRECISELY what the Shadow Government of the United States, in concert with the Likud Party of Israel and their co-conspirators in Great Britain are doing.
PRECISELY.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:44 pmhttp://proliberty.com/observer/20000906.htm
From the September 2000 Idaho Observer:
RAND analyst admits Defense Secretary fits profile of domestic terrorist?
“Astute observation†begs question: “Who are the real terrorists?â€
The Department of Defense’s definition of terrorism is:
“The calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or try to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious or ideological.â€
“All acts of terrorism are politically motivated,â€
“Why would Cohen, who has access to all chemical/biological weapons intelligence data, including that disseminated by RAND, scare the public with the imminence of a chemical/biological threat? Is he not mirroring the intent of ‘terrorists’ to leave a specific impression on a gullible public,†asked Don Harkins of The Idaho Observer.
Chalk gave a thoughtful and lengthy answer to Harkins’ question. Chalk explained that Cohen’s public announcement was undoubtedly prompted by lobbyists who used the Clinton cabinet member as political leverage to fund their anti-terrorism programs and research.
“Earlier today Dr. Hoffman stated that ‘all terrorist acts are politically motivated.’ What you just described to me is that Cohen’s threat of imminent chemical or biological attack was politically motivated. How, then, is Defense Secretary Cohen’s behavior different from what you guys have described as that of a domestic terrorist?†Harkins asked.
With a smile that seemed to say, “touchet,†Chalk said, “Your observation is very astute.â€
November 1st, 2007 at 3:45 pmThis Presidency is pure agony.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:46 pmThe United States should be embarrassed. We act like a bunch of little wimps. For gods sake, 9/11 was over six years ago. We have invaded two countries, we will spend $2.4 trillion dollars by the time that we rebuild. For what? What have we really accomplished?
We are still in a war? There has been terrorism since the beginning of time. It is not war. You cannot fight it like a war. Go to hell Bush.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:47 pmimagine someone this dull acting as though it were in charge of something beyond a catbox. the French and Mexican presidents both urinated on him in public and he didn’t know it until his mother told him.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:48 pmshooter has been spraying and urinating on him daily. must like it considering it has been happening his entire life.
Every time he says “some Democrats” there’s a strawman coming.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:50 pmIMO, this fiasco should be called something like the “War Powers Aggression Act of 2003″ because this aggressive act was designed as a means of bringing about the Unitary Executive.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:51 pmThe defense at Gitmo is “we’re ate war we’ve been at war and we’ll be at war for an indefinite period” so these are bad guys are staying here until the war is over…
The War on Terror or ant other bullshit name is a lie. And Bush is a liar. Lies lies lies. One after another.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:51 pmComment by katy — November 1, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Katy,
November 1st, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe only inaction by Congress today is their failure to impeach, else, Bush will become the 1st Hitler of the 21st Century.
“Every pretext for war is created by those with the capacity to profit from it.”
Plunger
Google: “False Flag”
Google: “Dancing Israelis”
November 1st, 2007 at 3:52 pmEverytime Bush says anything, there is a strawman talking.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:52 pmHello Democrats. Here is your rallying cry. Nobody is pretending the conflict doesn’t exist and nobody is wishing it away. It’s been missmanaged, poorly thoughtout, directionless from this administration.
Take away his pulpit. Stand up to this man.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:54 pmTime to change the name back to the War Department… the US hasn’t declared war since 1942.
November 1st, 2007 at 3:55 pmComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — November 1, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Do you mean like the scarecrow singing “If I only had a Brain”? That type of strawman?
November 1st, 2007 at 3:57 pmHow long are Americans and Congress going to tolerate GW Bogus & The Lie Factory’s flagrant and obscene disregard for our Constitution?!
HOW LONG?!
The President doesn’t declare war! Congress does!
War was never declared in Iraq , let alone the global ruse on terror; and yet the President goes on national television and reaffirms his cavalier and Quioxtic declaration of war on the world. OUTRAGEOUS!
If the new Congress doesn’t begin to uphold the Constitution then they are complicit in the crimes of this Administration!
November 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pmDE-AUTHORIZE, DE-FUND, RE-DEPLOY!!!
Neo-Con Madmen Strike Again – The London Fear Frenzy
Well before Wednesday the administration was aware of Britain’s plans to launch a raid against a possible terror plot.
With the knowledge of a terror-scare coming soon, all day Wednesday the entire Neo-Conservative Republican political apparatus had been busy assailing their political enemy’s supposed unwillingness to fight terrorism. On Thursday the Neo-Con assault intensified and finally peaked when news of the British scheme was made public. Then, in the most vile and unbecoming manner possible, Republicans accused Democrats of having forgotten the attacks of 9/11. Some Republicans were even gleeful enough to remind reporters that with the anniversary of 9/11 fast approaching their attack on Democrats, coupled with the London conspiracy would do wonders for their lagging poll numbers:
“Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big,” one White House official said.
P L A Y
B I G ? ? ?
T E R R O R
I S
A
G A M E ? ? ?
For Karl Rove, terror is THE GAME.
The timing of the release of this information was not coincidental. Let’s take a look at how many other circumstances coincided with this fake terror scare…
Lieberman was not the Democratic Party candidate – he was quite literally the Israeli candidate.
AIPAC lost to Lamont, cracking the door open for an anti-AIPAC rebellion at the polls.
Less than 36 hours later…
“TERROR IN THE SKIES” was the headline on all news programming in the United States – and CNN would have you believe that the entire world changed that day (again).
The world didn’t change – but CNN’s fear-mongering role in it on behalf of Israel has been clearly exposed.
All of the President’s NeoCons have made it known since Lieberman’s loss to Lamont, just how important Lieberman has been to their agenda – the Zionist Agenda.
They knew that Lieberman would lose, and Rove planned a full frontal attack for the aftermath – which by necessity always leads with a terror scare. Rove even called Lieberman directly to offer his help.
As part of the game – a CNN talking head asks the question…
“Lamont is the Al Qaeda Candidate???”
KARL ROVE WROTE THAT TALKING POINT.
CNN READ IT ON AIR.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pmLet’s remember that he NOT SAYING ANYTHING ORIGINAL – He’s READING IT! AND even then it’s never original.
He has NOT GOT THE brains to write this kinda stuff every day.. He’d get bored and need a nappy!
WHAT an idiot….
November 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pm“Scare people into votes” HE EVEN SAID IT. Of course, he blame the Democrats. He projects as badly as most trolls here.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmComment by hellinabucket — November 1, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Oh yes, and his little dog, Barney, too! Bush ought to be on the yellow brick road trying to find a brain, a heart, courage, and a home somewhere other than the White House.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmBush couldn’t argue his way out of a wet paper bag. What a douche. Every time he talks it becomes harder and harder for the 25 percenters to defend him. Keep up the good work. No body is buying the crazy that he’s selling.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:02 pmComment by questionauthority — November 1, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
I agree. The president should be asked to define why he can say “We are at War” without getting the declaration of war from Congress. This has been an issue of mine for some time. The official act of declaring war was never done but this administration, and members of both parties can freely state it’s war.
Let’s go Congress. America needs you.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:02 pmT H E
N E W
I R A E L I
E S P I O N A G E
S C A N D A L
At approximately 11:48 a.m. August 9th, CNN reported that Ariel Weinmann – a US Sailor – had been arrested for espionage committed on behalf of Russia. CNN intentionally lied. They know precisely that Weinmann had spied for Israel, as does the Jewish Media:
Report: US sailor spied for Israel
David Keyes, THE JERUSALEM POST
Aug. 9, 2006
CNN created a false anonymous source, and claimed that an American Jew was spying for Russia.
THE CNN LIE:
From Barbara Starr
CNN Washington Bureau
Wednesday, August 9, 2006; Posted: 1:57 p.m. EDT (17:57 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A sailor facing espionage and desertion charges has been held at a Norfolk, Virginia, brig since March, the U.S. Navy said Wednesday.
Ariel Weinmann, 21, is suspected of having worked on behalf of Russia, said military sources close to the case.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/09/sailor.charge/index.html
C N N ‘ S
B A R B A R A
S T A R
I S
A
C I A
D I S I N F O M A T I O N
A S S E T
Barbara Starr was CNN’s correspondent at the Pentagon. The Pentagon is being run in concert with Israel. During the lead up to the Iraqi invasion – Karen Kwiatkowski confirmed that Israeli Generals were free to come and go at will – and NEVER recorded their visits.
Israeli Mole Larry Franklin worked in the Pentagon – inside Rumsfeld’s Office Of Special Plans.
Franklin was arrested for spying in concert with AIPAC – for Israel.
Israel calls the editorial shots at CNN.
This Weinmann spy case is HUGE! As big as the Jonathan Pollard case.
Notice it is NOT IN THE HEADLINES?
Yet another story pertaining to Israeli spying was released into the ether during the fake terror hype.
T H E
A I P A C
S P Y
S C A N D A L
The Israeli Connection
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m25108&l=i&size=1&hd=0
On the morning of February 12th, 2003, a small group of FBI eavesdroppers were listening intently for evidence of a treacherous crime. At the very moment that American forces were massing for an invasion of Iraq, there were indications that a rogue group of senior Pentagon officials were already conspiring to push the United States into another war—this time with Iran.
A few miles away, FBI agents watched as Larry Franklin, an Iran expert and career employee of the Defense Intelligence Agency, drove up to the Ritz-Carlton hotel across the Potomac from Washington.
T H I S
H E A D L I N E
W A S
B U R I E D
A M I D
T H E
F A K E
T E R R O R
S C A R E
Judge denies motion to toss pro-Israel spy case
Friday, August 11, 2006; Posted: 10:06 a.m. EDT
The indictment against Steven Rosen of Silver Spring, Maryland, and Keith Weissman of Bethesda, Maryland, alleges that they conspired to obtain classified reports on issues relevant to American policy, including the al-Qaida terror network; the bombing of the Khobar Towers dormitory in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 U.S. Air Force personnel; and U.S. policy in Iran.
Rosen and Weissman, former lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, are accused of sharing the information with reporters and foreign diplomats. No trial date has been set.
K H O B A R
T O W E R S ? ? ?
Why was Israel so keen to have Classified information relative to the Khobar Towers incident? Did they want to see if the US Intelligence officials had figured out that Mossad did it?
S O…
Are you a Coincidence Theorist?
Pakistan’s Intelligence Service purportedly uncovers a massive terror cell – and the news just happens to hit right on the heels of the biggest AIPAC loss in a decade.
It couldn’t very well have been “revealed” by Mossad” – as that would have been too obvious – so they credit Pakistan’s ISI for uncovering the purported plot.
Sure…you bet.
9/11
Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center… CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.
This was clearly an inside job.
Karl Rove had advance knowledge of EVERY TERROR ALERT since Bush took office in 2000.
Because he creates them.
“T H E
A R C H I T E C Tâ€
O F
T E R R O R
I S
K A R L
R O V E
November 1st, 2007 at 4:03 pmDamn, Bush could be the whole cast of Oz.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:03 pmHere we go, Congress. Here we go.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmPush ‘em back, push ‘em back, way back.
Let’s go, De-fund.
TP – let’s have more about this:
To Implement Policy, Bush to Turn to Administrative Orders
By Michael Abramowitz and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, October 31, 2007
The White House plans to try implementing as much new policy as it can by administrative order while stepping up its confrontational rhetoric with Congress after concluding that President Bush cannot do much business with the Democratic leadership, administration officials said.
[...]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/30/AR2007103000558.html?hpid=sec-politics
.
i guess it IS self-explanitory…
“If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator”…
sigh…
November 1st, 2007 at 4:08 pmMiserable, lying little PUTZ. I hope he chokes on his own lies.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:12 pm—-
Bush: ‘war on terror’ critics are ‘disingenuous or naive.’
—-
There he goes, projecting again.
- Tom
November 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pmMiserable, lying little PUTZ. I hope he chokes on his own lies.
Comment by Leftside Annie — November 1, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
or his own vomit.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:17 pmthere’s no doubt he’s drinking again.
GWB, STFU U POS.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:17 pmNo wonder Supreme Leader Cheney went quail hunting. He is getting tired of babysitting the Mangler-in-chief. And so we are at war? LOL! From the last time I’ve checked, we invaded a country on false pretenses. Remember that, George or has the dutchies fried the brain? Bush can rename the “war” on terror as many times as he chooses but it still remains as an invasion.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmPresident Bush compared Congress’ Democratic leaders Thursday with people who ignored the rise of Lenin and Hitler early in the last century, saying “the world paid a terrible price†then and risks similar consequences for inaction today.
Comment by katy — November 1, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
And he’s absolutely right. If the Germans had impeached Hitler before he consolidated power around him, history might have been very different.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:22 pmPlunger, you post alot of information about Israelis being involved in 911 and other terror attacks, among other ideas. I am curious what your bottom line here is though. I don’t know whether to think you are simply antisemitic or not. If not, WHY would Israel be involved in such truly horrendous events? This is a serious question, as I have my own concerns about the U.S. unconditional support of Israel. I also have to say that your strong statements make me somewhat apprehensive, because you don’t seem to recognize the difference between the Israeli government and the Israeli people.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:29 pmThe sad thing is (it’s so sad it passes ‘funny’ by totally) that the overwhelming majority of people in this country know we have a hopeless, incompetent tool sitting in the White House and pretending to be a President.
The really sad thing is, the true voice of America is shared on and relegated to blogs and progressive Web sites, while the airwaves (radio and TV) are bought and paid for by the very people who are propping up Mr. Brush-clearing would-be down-home Texas he-man, Bush the War President.
The totally depressing thing is, the so-called progressives in Congress, those who understand and believe in and work in concert with the oath they took, number in the 10s at best. So the Executive is run amok, the Legislative is hiding in closets of all kinds, and the Judiciary has been infiltrated.
Friends, the election of 2008 is a mirage. Our country died sometime in the past 7 years, and without some catastrophic catalyzing event, we aren’t going to be able to mobilize to get it back.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:31 pmA war of lies by liars, a made up war with an invisible boogie man, a boogie man made up by the liars, an attack on NYC coordinated by our liars to lie to the public to make them afraid and easily manipulated by the liars for an unending war of lies for profit and power for the liars.
Buck Fush
November 1st, 2007 at 4:31 pmWe also cannot win the war on terror by attacking those that aren’t terrorist, while letting those that are go free.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:31 pmComment by katy — November 1, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
And he’s absolutely right. If the Germans had impeached Hitler before he consolidated power around him, history might have been very different.
Comment by toasterhead — November 1, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
you have a good point there… hard to argue with… sadly…
November 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pm…
Friends, the election of 2008 is a mirage. Our country died sometime in the past 7 years, and without some catastrophic catalyzing event, we aren’t going to be able to mobilize to get it back.
Comment by ennealogic — November 1, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Then pray for an alien invasion. On a serious note, I’m afraid that I largely agree with you. I see who the MSM is pushing for the main contenders for President in ‘08 (even if an election is allowed in the first place), and I see a choice between a rock and a hard place. The only difference is the rate of speed to continuing destruction of our country. That’s why I’m thinking about leaving the U.S., period, who is neither an ally nor an enemy.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:42 pmbush preaching to the heritage foundation. A little man preaching to an increasingly irrelevant hatefest.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:46 pmDo you mean like the scarecrow singing “If I only had a Brain� That type of strawman?
Comment by hellinabucket — November 1, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Nope the scarecrow had a heart. Bush is missing a brain, a heart and courage.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:47 pm“Naive”. Hey bushie, if we are, what are you?
November 1st, 2007 at 4:47 pmholy crap… anyone else listening to randi rhodes?
Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329789179-110878,00.html
see also:
November 1st, 2007 at 4:55 pmhttp://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org/
.
He’s nothing but a petulant sockpuppet.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:07 pmTo bad Americans don’t read the London Times for the truth about the GOP plan that was outlined in 1996. Yes the plan to invaded all the Middle Eastern countries and let Israel have the land and American Oil companies have the oil. After the illegal invasion of Iraq the plan was to bomb Iran on Labor Day 2002. Yes the American Media wont report those facts with the proof of documents. Nor will anyone report that 4 years ago Wesley Clark spoke of the information that the US had 5 Middle Eastern countries to attack. Yes the US Media is doing it’s best to spin/blame/lie for the White House as the foreign Media gives the news.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:22 pmIf Cheney hadn’t leaked the CIA covert agent working in Iran things might be different. Not one Media Station has said a word about the Nukes the US gave Israel. At lease if Iran does have to defend themselves by attacking Israel with their limited weapons capability , Israel will have Nukes to bomb Iran.
Maybe we could resurrect James Madison? He was not a perfect man but I have a feeling he would, gleefully, strangle every last member of the Bush cabal. Check out some of his writings here:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Madison
We don’t really need “progressives”. One may even say we need “old fashioned conservatives”. We need to elect a new generation of leaders who are students, and followers, of the Constitution. The gang we have now, on both sides of the aisle, are enemies of the Constitution and the American people.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:25 pmthe president clearly misspoke, meaning to say that “members of the Heritage Foundation are both naive and disingenuous”…
November 1st, 2007 at 5:34 pmI also have to say that your strong statements make me somewhat apprehensive, because you don’t seem to recognize the difference between the Israeli government and the Israeli people.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — November 1, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
unfortunately, the Israeli government is made up of Israeli people, the very worst, warmongering ones. Many Israeli citizens are just as dismayed about their leaders’ bloodlust as we are about ours, but they, like we, are in the hold of fear and fascism, and will need to take decisive action to change things.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:46 pmThanks for the links katy. Powerful stuff. Sobering too.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by katy — November 1, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Here’s another example. And while the Bush administration may be the “root,” Congress serves as the branches.
House Passes Thought Crimes Bill and No One Notices?
By Jeralyn, Section Legislation
Posted on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 07:00:00 AM EST
Tags: homegrown terrorism (all tags)
I try to stay on top of what Congress is doing but this one escaped me. And, since I’m not seeing much about it in the news or on blogs, I’m not the only one.
On the same day last week that the House passed the Ammonium Nitrate bill, it also passed HR 1955, titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. The vote on this bill was 404 to 6. Meaning even progressive Democrats voted for it.
This is a thought-crimes bill, aimed at preventing domestic terrorism by judging the thoughts, including those expressed on the Internet, of American citizens.”
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/11/1/02719/5158
November 1st, 2007 at 5:51 pmSo his opponents are either ingenuous or disingenuous?
It’s what he said.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:56 pmComment by impeachcheneythenbush — November 1, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
We are living in a very scary time.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:59 pmPlunger, you post alot of information about Israelis being involved in 911 and other terror attacks, among other ideas. I am curious what your bottom line here is though. I don’t know whether to think you are simply antisemitic or not. If not, WHY would Israel be involved in such truly horrendous events? This is a serious question, as I have my own concerns about the U.S. unconditional support of Israel. I also have to say that your strong statements make me somewhat apprehensive, because you don’t seem to recognize the difference between the Israeli government and the Israeli people.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — November 1, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
I have NEVER written an unkind word about the “Israeli People” or those of the Jewish Faith.
For you to introduce the concept of “anti-Semitism” in the phrasing of your question speaks to the conditioning which you (and all of us) have received via the media – and our (s)elected officials.
The fact that Israel’s Mossad was directly and operationally involved in 9/11is just as undeniable as was Dick Cheney’s operational role. Both Mossad and Cheney were caught red-handed – in the act on 9/11. The story of the “Dancing Israelis” was written worldwide – including Israel. Norm Mineta testified under oath that he personally witnessed Cheney command a subordinate to allow the approaching “aircraft” to strike the Pentagon unimpeded – and it did.
The number of Israeli Nationals killed inside the towers of the World Trade Center on 9/11 was precisely ZERO – thanks in no small part to the Odigo paging system available only to Israelis – which provided a warning to stay away from the WTC over an hour before the first plane struck.
Combine this with Silverstein’s video blunder admitting to ordering that building 7 be “pulled” – only to fall straight down into its own foot little more than an hour later – despite having never been struck by an airplane – and any thinking, breathing, logical human being is left to explain the inexplicable, unless of course you simply accept that Israel’s Likud and the GHW Bush cabal conspired to perpetrate 9/11 for their own reasons – none of which benefit US.
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
Read. Learn.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:03 pmFunny – postings are no longer being deleted, and I have yet to be banned.
Perhaps the truth is becoming more acceptable in light of the fact that events have finally caught up to my earlier predictions.
What was once considered to be the thoughts of the lunatic fringe is now widely embraced to explain the otherwise inexplicable.
Yes, the conspiracy really is that huge. Ask David Rockefeller.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:14 pmBack on the topic (for a change)!
When the current corrupt, crooked, lying president talks about “disingenuous,” he KNOWS what he is talking about. All of his actions, talking points, vetoes, signing statements, cries of “war” on terror, and his LIES about torture and violating civil liberties are disingenuous!
November 1st, 2007 at 6:23 pmPlunger,
I think that most of the objections, to your lengthy posts, are due to just that. Length. A brief comment and a link will generally suffice. Face it, if someone is curious enough to read a long passage, they are probably willing to follow a link. It might help to save Israeli conspiracies for more topical threads as well.
Personally, I’m not sold on the “Israel=cause, everything bad=effect” argument. There’s plenty of blame for everyone. I think it’s American/European policy (which created Israel amongst other questionable actions) that can be blamed. Israel (A European colony in the Mideast.) strikes me as more of a symptom than a cause.
I do agree that Israel has been a millstone around the West’s neck since it’s creation. But, you don’t occupy hostile territory, for 60 years, without pissing people off.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:36 pmOn Topic.
Bush isn’t naive and disingenuous. He’s stupid, insane, and a pathological liar. I doubt that any single person has proven as disastrous, to our Nation, as Bush. Let us hope it doesn’t take a civil war to undue, or at least lessen, the damage.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:41 pmDon’t back down, keep the pressure on, its obviously being felt. Everyone is leaving and Chimp has the sandbox to himself. When him and Cheney leave office they’ll have to be so far underground they’ll never see light for the fear of reprisals.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:08 pmPete:
I appreciate your opinion, however Israel occupies the US Congress, and is blackmailing this administration. I’m not guessing. It’s a fact.
What topic could be more relevant and urgent than this?
Should we all simply wait patiently to discuss it in brief sound bites if/when it becomes the topic…after the nuclear fallout clears?
November 1st, 2007 at 7:12 pm#76 Everybody is leaving ? Don’t kid yourself. Turd blossom is just staying out of reach to plan the next election fraud. Notice his aid left shortly after he did. Hughes the great manipulator will be joining the two. No one is leaving just hiding in the shadows out of Waxman’s reach.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:15 pmPlunger
I think it’s safe to say that no one, in the blogoshere, is patiently waiting for anything. Angry people usually exhibit a lack of patience. I merely suggest that there are issues, that deserve our attention, that have little or nothing to do with Israel. It has been said that, “it’s hard to sell fire extinguishers during a flood”. It seems to me that little can be accomplished by introducing topics that don’t directly relate to the subject at hand.
Let us allow these nice people, and trolls, to keep there focus on the “topic of the day”.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:35 pmBTW, it has also been said that, “whispers carry more weight than shouts”. Witness how ineffective shouting has been in thwarting the whispered plans of our government.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:37 pmI find the notion that no Jewish person died in the 9/11 attacks (because of some sort of “early Jewish warning system”) both ignorant and offensive. It is also easily proven false, if one bothers to check.
Here is a link to an article in the Jerusalem Post about the memorial service held in Jerusalem to commemorate the Israeli citizens who died that day. They were either on the planes or in the towers.
Here is another link to a press release by the Department of State with plenty of names and links with more information on the people of Jewish faith who died as a result of the attacks (about 50 of the Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died that day had Jewish memorial services).
Then there is also the entry in the wikipedia with even more information and links regarding the belief that no Israeli citizen (or no Jewish person, depending on the version one hears) died on that day.
As a matter of fact, an estimated 400 people of Jewish faith died at the WTC. Of course, conspiracy theorists will simply dismiss all this information as being part of the “Zionist conspiracy”.
November 1st, 2007 at 7:40 pmI find the notion that no Jewish person died in the 9/11 attacks (because of some sort of “early Jewish warning systemâ€) both ignorant and offensive. It is also easily proven false, if one bothers to check.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — November 1, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
If you find the troll’s troll dung “both ignorant and offensive,” PLEASE report the troll by clicking on the “Report Abuse” link.
Thanks. The amount of troll dung on the TP threads is getting to the point it was BEFORE TP instituted its new registration program.
Some of you may not think the troll in question is actually a “troll.” However, BECAUSE he has IGNORED repeated requests to par down his posts so that the thread is not littered with LOOOONG repetitive posts, identifies him as a troll, not a legitimate progressive poster.
Reporting abuse is the way to handle trolls, I believe.
November 1st, 2007 at 8:13 pmI appreciate your opinion, however Israel occupies the US Congress, and is blackmailing this administration. I’m not guessing. It’s a fact.
What topic could be more relevant and urgent than this?
Should we all simply wait patiently to discuss it in brief sound bites if/when it becomes the topic…after the nuclear fallout clears?
Comment by plunger — November 1, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Two Words solidify this:
PNAC
AIPAC
November 1st, 2007 at 8:48 pmThe fact that Israel’s Mossad was directly and operationally involved in 9/11is just as undeniable as was Dick Cheney’s operational role. Both Mossad and Cheney were caught red-handed – in the act on 9/11. The story of the “Dancing Israelis†was written worldwide – including Israel. Norm Mineta testified under oath that he personally witnessed Cheney command a subordinate to allow the approaching “aircraft†to strike the Pentagon unimpeded – and it did.
Comment by plunger — November 1, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
plunger, Left Gatekeepers, NeoCons, and Coincidence Theorists are all following the Bush Administrations lies about 9/11. If one has not figured it out by now who was involved, they never will.
in my opinion Alex Jones has given the 9/11 Truth Movement a bad name. He constantly harps on NWO, evil ACLU, Feminists, Environmentalists, and The 60s. This isolates Progressives from seeking 9/11 anomalies. People like Bill Maher then equate 9/11 Truth to a bunch of camouflaged militia men, which it is not. There are literally hundreds of scientists, Lawyers, military, etc. that think it was more than 19 Arabs with box Cutters being directed by a guy from a cave.
How does this relate to the “war on terror”? Everything. It is THE Casus belli.
November 1st, 2007 at 8:59 pm.
When has America NOT been at war?
There’$ a killing to be had at making war!
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November 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 am>I find the notion that no Jewish person died in the 9/11 attacks (because >of some sort of “early Jewish warning systemâ€) both ignorant and >offensive.
>Of course, conspiracy theorists will simply dismiss all this information as >being part of the “Zionist conspiracyâ€.
Uhmm why on earth to you equate “jews” with “zionists” or even equate “jews” with “american citizens”?
ok.. so two guys on planes, and a janitor.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/10/JerusPost120901.html
“Hundreds of Israelis missing in WTC attack.” (Only a handful end up dying…the rest merely playing hooky perphaps?)
By The Jerusalem Post Internet Staff
…We are happy to report that the 4,000 figure dwindled eventually to three (not three thousand, but three), then two, then one: the unfortunate Daniel Levin, who sat in front of one armed hijacker –
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:11 am>equate “jews†with “american citizens�
sorry I mean why you do equate “jews” with “american citizens”.
do you use the term “hindus” and “citizens of india” interchangeably?
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:12 amdoh… put down the bong jesus..lets try this one more time:
sorry I mean why you do equate “jews†with “Israeli citizens�
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:13 amYou know what? I used to long for impeachment. I don’t even care anymore. I want them in jail, and every last one of them. I want the whole administration, their enablers and all the propagandists who helped them get this far. These people have been in waiting since the Iran Contra affair..and they’ll be back again, till we lock them up for good. They have an agenda and they won’t stop till it’s complete unless they see the (unpardonable) sentence of a long long time. F**K Impeach! Prosecute!
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:31 amExactly what societies is this schmuck yapping about, the free states of America? …. as a reminder: the 2000 election got stolen and as good as all money Washington spent since then went to the Iraq war against the opinion of every sane person in the WORLD. What is this freedom you speak of… the freedom to die? The freedom to starve? The freedom to be betrayed/bombed/uninformed/endoctrinated? The freedom to be enslaved? The freedom to be ANNIHILATED because some ‘freed’ Western capitalist-’thinker’ is pathetically addicted to selling a little more for pure personal gain?!?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:10 pm