the struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies

Exactly what societies is this schmuck yapping about, the free states of America? …. as a reminder: the 2000 election got stolen and as good as all money Washington spent since then went to the Iraq war against the opinion of every sane person in the WORLD. What is this freedom you speak of… the freedom to die? The freedom to starve? The freedom to be betrayed/bombed/uninformed/endoctrinated? The freedom to be enslaved? The freedom to be ANNIHILATED because some ‘freed’ Western capitalist-’thinker’ is pathetically addicted to selling a little more for pure personal gain?!?

sorry I mean why you do equate “jews” with “Israeli citizens”?

sorry I mean why you do equate “jews” with “american citizens”.

do you use the term “hindus” and “citizens of india” interchangeably?

Uhmm why on earth to you equate “jews” with “zionists” or even equate “jews” with “american citizens”?

ok.. so two guys on planes, and a janitor.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/10/JerusPost120901.html

“Hundreds of Israelis missing in WTC attack.” (Only a handful end up dying…the rest merely playing hooky perphaps?)
By The Jerusalem Post Internet Staff

…We are happy to report that the 4,000 figure dwindled eventually to three (not three thousand, but three), then two, then one: the unfortunate Daniel Levin, who sat in front of one armed hijacker –

When has America NOT been at war?

There’$ a killing to be had at making war!

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Comment by plunger — November 1, 2007 @ 6:03 pm

plunger, Left Gatekeepers, NeoCons, and Coincidence Theorists are all following the Bush Administrations lies about 9/11. If one has not figured it out by now who was involved, they never will.

in my opinion Alex Jones has given the 9/11 Truth Movement a bad name. He constantly harps on NWO, evil ACLU, Feminists, Environmentalists, and The 60s. This isolates Progressives from seeking 9/11 anomalies. People like Bill Maher then equate 9/11 Truth to a bunch of camouflaged militia men, which it is not. There are literally hundreds of scientists, Lawyers, military, etc. that think it was more than 19 Arabs with box Cutters being directed by a guy from a cave.

How does this relate to the “war on terror”? Everything. It is THE Casus belli.

Comment by plunger — November 1, 2007 @ 7:12 pm

Two Words solidify this:

PNAC

AIPAC

If you find the troll’s troll dung “both ignorant and offensive,” PLEASE report the troll by clicking on the “Report Abuse” link.

Thanks. The amount of troll dung on the TP threads is getting to the point it was BEFORE TP instituted its new registration program.

Some of you may not think the troll in question is actually a “troll.” However, BECAUSE he has IGNORED repeated requests to par down his posts so that the thread is not littered with LOOOONG repetitive posts, identifies him as a troll, not a legitimate progressive poster.

Reporting abuse is the way to handle trolls, I believe.

Here is a link to an article in the Jerusalem Post about the memorial service held in Jerusalem to commemorate the Israeli citizens who died that day. They were either on the planes or in the towers.

Here is another link to a press release by the Department of State with plenty of names and links with more information on the people of Jewish faith who died as a result of the attacks (about 50 of the Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died that day had Jewish memorial services).

Then there is also the entry in the wikipedia with even more information and links regarding the belief that no Israeli citizen (or no Jewish person, depending on the version one hears) died on that day.

As a matter of fact, an estimated 400 people of Jewish faith died at the WTC. Of course, conspiracy theorists will simply dismiss all this information as being part of the “Zionist conspiracy”.

I think it’s safe to say that no one, in the blogoshere, is patiently waiting for anything. Angry people usually exhibit a lack of patience. I merely suggest that there are issues, that deserve our attention, that have little or nothing to do with Israel. It has been said that, “it’s hard to sell fire extinguishers during a flood”. It seems to me that little can be accomplished by introducing topics that don’t directly relate to the subject at hand.

Let us allow these nice people, and trolls, to keep there focus on the “topic of the day”.

I appreciate your opinion, however Israel occupies the US Congress, and is blackmailing this administration. I’m not guessing. It’s a fact.

What topic could be more relevant and urgent than this?

Should we all simply wait patiently to discuss it in brief sound bites if/when it becomes the topic…after the nuclear fallout clears?

Bush isn’t naive and disingenuous. He’s stupid, insane, and a pathological liar. I doubt that any single person has proven as disastrous, to our Nation, as Bush. Let us hope it doesn’t take a civil war to undue, or at least lessen, the damage.

I think that most of the objections, to your lengthy posts, are due to just that. Length. A brief comment and a link will generally suffice. Face it, if someone is curious enough to read a long passage, they are probably willing to follow a link. It might help to save Israeli conspiracies for more topical threads as well.

Personally, I’m not sold on the “Israel=cause, everything bad=effect” argument. There’s plenty of blame for everyone. I think it’s American/European policy (which created Israel amongst other questionable actions) that can be blamed. Israel (A European colony in the Mideast.) strikes me as more of a symptom than a cause.

I do agree that Israel has been a millstone around the West’s neck since it’s creation. But, you don’t occupy hostile territory, for 60 years, without pissing people off.

When the current corrupt, crooked, lying president talks about “disingenuous,” he KNOWS what he is talking about. All of his actions, talking points, vetoes, signing statements, cries of “war” on terror, and his LIES about torture and violating civil liberties are disingenuous!

Perhaps the truth is becoming more acceptable in light of the fact that events have finally caught up to my earlier predictions.

What was once considered to be the thoughts of the lunatic fringe is now widely embraced to explain the otherwise inexplicable.

Yes, the conspiracy really is that huge. Ask David Rockefeller.

Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — November 1, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

I have NEVER written an unkind word about the “Israeli People” or those of the Jewish Faith.

For you to introduce the concept of “anti-Semitism” in the phrasing of your question speaks to the conditioning which you (and all of us) have received via the media – and our (s)elected officials.

The fact that Israel’s Mossad was directly and operationally involved in 9/11is just as undeniable as was Dick Cheney’s operational role. Both Mossad and Cheney were caught red-handed – in the act on 9/11. The story of the “Dancing Israelis” was written worldwide – including Israel. Norm Mineta testified under oath that he personally witnessed Cheney command a subordinate to allow the approaching “aircraft” to strike the Pentagon unimpeded – and it did.

The number of Israeli Nationals killed inside the towers of the World Trade Center on 9/11 was precisely ZERO – thanks in no small part to the Odigo paging system available only to Israelis – which provided a warning to stay away from the WTC over an hour before the first plane struck.

Combine this with Silverstein’s video blunder admitting to ordering that building 7 be “pulled” – only to fall straight down into its own foot little more than an hour later – despite having never been struck by an airplane – and any thinking, breathing, logical human being is left to explain the inexplicable, unless of course you simply accept that Israel’s Likud and the GHW Bush cabal conspired to perpetrate 9/11 for their own reasons – none of which benefit US.

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