Kennedy joins senators opposing Mukasey.
By on Nov 1st, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Kennedy joins senators opposing Mukasey.
In a speech on the Senate floor today, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) became the fourth member of the Senate Judiciary Committee to say he would vote against Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey over his refusal to call waterboarding illegal torture. Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Dick Durbin (D-IL) and Joe Biden (D-DE) have also come out against Mukasey. Watch a clip from Kennedy’s speech:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/KennedyOpposeMukasey.320.240.flv]
In addition to the four Judiciary Committee members, five more senators have said they will vote against Mukasey: Sens. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Barack Obama (D-IL), Chis Dodd (D-CT), John Kerry (D-MA) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT).
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To forestall the inevitable troll, I’d like to say that it is fascinating
November 1st, 2007 at 3:59 pmthat even a fat drunk knows when something is torture and that we shouldn’t have as a chief law enforcement officer someone who is unwilling to publically say it is and condemn it.
Some Dems will say no, but just how many will cave in and confirm the little Himmler?
Even if, the little Gestapo man fails to be confirmed, we just KNOW the self-appointed decider will give him a recess appointment.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmAnd it took them this long to come to this. Why? They should have done this right after they asked the question of waterboarding and he did not answer.
We don’t need anymore Fascist Pigs in government. If GW666 wants someone in office, then you have to believe that that person is BAD for government and is a political operative for the Fascist War Pigs.
Buck Fush
November 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmComment by Uncle Ho — November 1, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
You’re probably right but by all that is American and righteous, the Democrats should not be complicit. They should always retain “I told you so” rights, if nothing else.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:08 pmWaterboarding has always been torture and a war crime and it still is. The only thing that has changed is now it isn’t prosecuted.
Would he call it torture if immunity is involved?
November 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pmThat seems to be part of the reason for hesitation: he doesn’t want to make criminals out of those who are using the technique now.
PLC; I wish the Dems would grow a pair of balls and actually OPPOSE this criminal administration.
But if any Republican says “boo!” Democrats cower and whimper, afraid of their own shadow. I am thoroughly ashamed of the Democratic Party in recent years. It is NOT the proud party it once was.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pmBottom line is that it is going to come down to Diane Feinstein again. I’m getting sick of holding my breath waiting for DiFi to do the right thing.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pm** America **
1776 – 2007
R.I.P.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:14 pmLeftside Annie sez:
Actually, I’m pegging the endpoint at the year 2000, when the SCOTUS blatantly overstepped its authority and installed a President that had not been duly elected by the people. That event marked the end of the Unites States of America, our representational republic, and ushered in the era of the American Empire, our new authoritarian police state.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmThis seems like a debate more fitting for Nazi Germany in the late 30s: it’s not torture if the prisoner is Jewish (or, in this case, Muslim).
November 1st, 2007 at 4:21 pmSo it comes down to Shumer, will he support him? Lets hope not.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:24 pmLieberman is on the Senate floor now defending Mukasey. “He is showing his independence by not answering the questions put to him by the Senate.” Paraphrased a bit, but that’s the essence.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:28 pmNice to know that the constitutional mandate of checks and balances is held in such contempt by our congresscritters
November 1st, 2007 at 4:31 pmGod bless Edward Kennedy. Bush and Cheney are dragging our nation through the mud with their embrace of thuggish torture techniques. They dishonor this nation and the Congress must oppose their authoritarian extremism.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pmWell for a test we could waterboard Lieberman and see how long it takes him to admit he’s a puppet of the Republican party.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:37 pmLieberman is on the Senate floor now defending Mukasey. “He is showing his independence by not answering the questions put to him by the Senate.†Paraphrased a bit, but that’s the essence.
Comment by Candyce — November 1, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
LIEberman always shows his “independence” by bootlicking Bush.
Wipe that shoe polish of your lips, Joe…….
November 1st, 2007 at 4:38 pmThat is shoe polish, right?
15 posts and those slacker trolls haven’t bothered to bring up Chappiquidick. Here you lazy good for nothing Nazis, I handled it for you, you can go back to your meth labs now.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:39 pmWell for a test we could waterboard Lieberman and see how long it takes him to admit he’s a puppet of the Republican party.
Comment by Shayne — November 1, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
That wimp would start crying when the rag was put over his head, before any water is applied.
Personally I think any CongressCritter that supports waterboarding and torture should be required to go through the POW camp part of S.E.R.E. training and find out how fcking awfull it really is.
I have been through SERE and I can personally vouch that waterboarding is Torture. Not fun at all.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:43 pmMukasey or anyone is going to have a hard time because any nominee has been backed into a corner by the Bush administration. If he agrees that waterbording is torture (and there is really no argument about that,) he will have to bring charges against members of the Bush adminsitration when he takes over the post.
The media has been shameful on this issue. There should never have been any question as whether or not waterboarding is torture. It was invented during the Spanish Inquisition, we courtmarshalled and American military officer for using the technique during the Phillipine insurrection, we imprisoned Nazi officers for doing it and we executed a member of the Japanese military for doing it to our guys during WWII. I blame the media for the fact that any American still has questions about this.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:43 pmEven if, the little Gestapo man fails to be confirmed, we just KNOW the self-appointed decider will give him a recess appointment.
Comment by Uncle Ho — November 1, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
But we all know that Dubya and the rest of the NeoCon BushCo’s are going to need a lot of legal air cover (ala Gonzo) over the next 14 months, so this is their man. And, yes, a recess appointment will probably be in his future.
November 1st, 2007 at 4:45 pmMan, you just can’t make this stuff up! Teddy comes out against water torture. We can’t have someone believe that they may be drowning now can we?
Comment by Beefeater — November 1, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
I can give you a demonstration, since I know exactly how to waterboard and have been through it. Then you can have some knowledge first hand.
You up for it wimp?
November 1st, 2007 at 4:47 pm#9, Leftside Annie sez:
** America **
1776 – 2007
R.I.P.
Actually, I’m pegging the endpoint at the year 2000, when the SCOTUS blatantly overstepped its authority and installed a President that had not been duly elected by the people. That event marked the end of the Unites States of America, our representational republic, and ushered in the era of the American Empire, our new authoritarian police state.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 1, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Reminded me of an article I read sometime last month and it took a while to find it. Originally read it on AfterDowningStreet, but did a Glooglie, and found it:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_7282.cfm
I share your sentiments, TMM. I’ll rock my soon-to-be-born grandchild and tell him/her stories about how great the US of A used to be…
November 1st, 2007 at 4:48 pmWhat are the odds on ole Crazy Joe (LIEbermann)?
November 1st, 2007 at 4:50 pmholy crap… anyone else listening to randi rhodes?
Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ print/ 0,,329789179-110878,00.html
see also:
November 1st, 2007 at 4:57 pmhttp://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org/
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It was invented during the Spanish Inquisition, we courtmarshalled and American military officer for using the technique during the Phillipine insurrection, we imprisoned Nazi officers for doing it and we executed a member of the Japanese military for doing it to our guys during WWII. I blame the media for the fact that any American still has questions about this.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 1, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Yeah, the issue has already been decided for a long time. It is Torture, period. It was only a “question” with the
HitlerBush administration. The Media has been complicit in covering the crimes of Bushco all along.Those catholic priests were some devious creatures, eh?
November 1st, 2007 at 5:00 pmPicture taken by Jonah Blank in 2005 at the Tuol Sleng Prison in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. The prison currently serves as a torture museum.
We’re now emulating Pol Pot.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:03 pmI share your sentiments, TMM. I’ll rock my soon-to-be-born grandchild and tell him/her stories about how great the US of A used to be…
Comment by Theresa
And that is the saddest part of the whole thing. My kids and grandkids will read about all the freedoms we USED TO HAVE and they will wonder what I DID TO STOP IT. The next couple of generations will be the most angry for they will know the truth about Bush and they will also know the pliant congress simply let him get away with it. We will have a lot of explaning to do.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:04 pmWould he call it torture if immunity is involved?
That seems to be part of the reason for hesitation: he doesn’t want to make criminals out of those who are using the technique now.
Comment by Bob — November 1, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Those at risk for criminal prosecution would include Bush and Cheney. That’s what his refusal to call torture “illegal” is all about.
“The biggest problem for Mr. Mukasey remains his refusal to take a clear legal position on the interrogation technique. Fear of opening the door to criminal or civil liability for torture or abuse, whether in an American court or in courts overseas, appeared to loom large in Mr. Mukasey’s calculations as he parried questions from the committee this week. Some legal experts suggested that liability could go all the way to President Bush if he explicitly authorized waterboarding.”
And those aren’t the only issues that should be of concern.
“Michael Mukasey cannot be counted on to independently investigate the crimes of the White House. He refused to acknowledge the unconstitutionality of the President violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. When asked about contempt charges against witnesses who refuse to respond to congressional subpoenas, Mukasey said he would refuse to follow the statute that requires a U.S. attorney to refer contempt citations to a grand jury.”
http://blog.thehill.com/2007/10/29/mukaseys-promises-inadequate-for-justice-department/
Needless to say, if the Senate doesn’t confirm him, Bush will recess appoint the guy anyway. But Dems should NOT be complicit in this matter.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:05 pmLet me guess. Beefeater is a lawyer.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:06 pmSoon as I saw the title of the article I knew some piss-soaked troll (hat tip to Zooey) would bring up this event.
How old are you, Beefeater? When were you born? I just really gotta know this piece of information.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:08 pm“Okay, deal! Then you try my method. We leave you in a submerged car with a little air pocket while I run off to sober up, get fitted for a neck brace and find my lawyer. Let’s see who survives.”
Comment by Beefeater
Better get a physical with a lung x-ray first, or you might not get a chance to do the Kennedy backstroke. By the way, how many “terrorists” got a US supplied physical, (like soldiers undertaking the SERE training?) before they were tortured?
I’m betting few to none.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:10 pmComment by Beefeater — November 1, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
What an ignorant loser….
November 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmAmericans will speak up when the first US soldier is captured and waterboarded by the enemy. Yes the out cry will be heard around the world and the US will demand that the United Nations stop the action done to US soldiers. It’s called do unto others but we can do as we please.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmAnd that is the saddest part of the whole thing. My kids and grandkids will read about all the freedoms we USED TO HAVE and they will wonder what I DID TO STOP IT. The next couple of generations will be the most angry for they will know the truth about Bush and they will also know the pliant congress simply let him get away with it. We will have a lot of explaning to do.
Comment by StratRat — November 1, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
If BushCo and their ilk have their way, a couple of generations out, and they will never know about the freedom we used to have, or what the U.S. actually once represented to their own people and the world. Read or re-read “1984.” I did just recently, and I was shocked how close we are to that nightmare vision.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmComment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — November 1, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
And this hypocritical idiot is close to overdose on whatever drugs it is taking. That post is Pure nonsense.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:15 pmThe Germans recovered from Hitler in their west in about 12 years and are going well in their east as we speak now. The effects of WWII seem well on the way to resolution about 65 years after the fact. Hitler inflicted that on his people in about 12 years. If W does step down in 2009, our nation will need a simular time span to recover. The unfortunate part is that there is no “Marshall Plan” provider in the wings.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:16 pmSorry, meant to paste the link for this comment:’
“The biggest problem for Mr. Mukasey remains his refusal to take a clear legal position on the interrogation technique. Fear of opening the door to criminal or civil liability for torture or abuse, whether in an American court or in courts overseas, appeared to loom large in Mr. Mukasey’s calculations as he parried questions from the committee this week. Some legal experts suggested that liability could go all the way to President Bush if he explicitly authorized waterboarding.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/washington/01mukasey.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/T/Torture&oref=slogin
November 1st, 2007 at 5:18 pm#30, StratRat: I talk to my 86 year old father about what’s happening to the USA and he gets so upset I fear he’ll have a heart attack (he likes Kucinich; and he lives in KANSAS!!!). I posted a while back that I’m ready to give up. Writing, calling, e-mailing my “representatives” does nothing; standing on corners with a sign, etc., seems to do no good, either. My town is decidedly Republican and I just don’t get it. It’s not a wealthy NJ town by any stretch; it’s a poor blue collar town that could certainly benefit from all the positive social issues the Dems introduce, but for some reason, they back the Repub approach. They support those who hold them back; it’s not “What’s Wrong with Kansas?”, it’s a bit more local: “What’s Wrong with Phillipsburg?”.
I still have some fight left in me and will continue to do so. Last night’s pumpkins were carved “Impeach” and the other was Bush as the devil. So far, the house is still standing… I’ll light them again tonight.
And I will tell my grandchild that I fought…
November 1st, 2007 at 5:20 pmSo Beefeater, do you support the practice of waterboarding captured U.S. troops by enemies of the U.S.?
November 1st, 2007 at 5:22 pmWhen asked for a comment, Mary Jo wasn’t available.
Comment by Beefeater — November 1, 2007 @ 4:42
So your meth addled brain believes Mary Jo was tortured? Typical republiscum thinking. Hey how about the old boyfriend Laura Bush whacked, want to talk about him? Seems like Laura had more reasons to off the boyfriend that dumped her than Teddy did to get rid of Mary Joe who he wasn’t dating.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:25 pmOkay, deal! Then you try my method. We leave you in a submerged car with a little air pocket while I run off to sober up, get fitted for a neck brace and find my lawyer. Let’s see who survives.
Comment by Beefeater — November 1, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
You are assuming that you will not run screaming like a ninny, the next time you even see water, after I am done.
And the subject is not Chapaquitic, idiot.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:27 pmThe media has been shameful on this issue. There should never have been any question as whether or not waterboarding is torture. It was invented during the Spanish Inquisition, we courtmarshalled and American military officer for using the technique during the Phillipine insurrection, we imprisoned Nazi officers for doing it and we executed a member of the Japanese military for doing it to our guys during WWII. I blame the media for the fact that any American still has questions about this.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 1, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Well you talked me into it Col. How about we waterboard the media members who AREN’T talking about how it is torture. We better start with Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes just to show we’re not picking on the little guys.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:29 pmSorry, some of us do have to work. I just got home.
Comment by Beefeater — November 1, 2007 @ 4:44
Sorry Beafeater, you must have mistaken me for somebody who gives a shit. Oh and better get ready, your turn for waterboarding is coming up, glad you think it’s funny.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:31 pmSo Beefeater, do you support the practice of waterboarding captured U.S. troops by enemies of the U.S.?
Comment by Dave C — November 1, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Of course he does. After all, Mary Jo blah blah blah, and laura klled her boyfriend blah blah blah, and all this other irrelevant nonsense that puts our troops in the torture crosshairs. Beefeater doesn’t care who dies, as long as his party gets to “win”. Beefeater is a Good German, who will go to any lengths to change the subject to a 40-year-old crime that was already answered for. The current crimes are far less important, because he is afraid to face the fact that he has supported the dissolution of the American republic under the fascists he cheers for, in spite of their mass-murdering ways.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:31 pmOh but it is.
Comment by Beefeater — November 1, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
No, the sibject is the treason of your fascist government. The subject you woulg like to discuss was close decades ago. Too bad for you, nothing you can do. But we can, and will, end the treason of Bushco.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:33 pmOkay, deal! Then you try my method. We leave you in a submerged car with a little air pocket while I run off to sober up, get fitted for a neck brace and find my lawyer. Let’s see who survives.
Comment by Beefeater — November 1, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Why don’t you just rewrite history when it doesn’t work for you the way it happened. How many times have you rescued somebody from a submerged vehicle? … I didn’t think so.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:34 pmI commend Senator Kennedy, but it would make my day to see the rest of the Democrats follow suit and send a resounding message that torture is un-American.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:36 pmWayne: “Those catholic priests were some devious creatures, eh?”
Yeah, some of the worst ever.
What to say about a poster like Beefeater? We threw our own officers in jail for it in 1902, we gave Nazis life in prison for it in 1945, we executed members of the Japanese military for it in 1946 and in 2007, the typical sociopathic Bush cultist thinks it’s funny. That says more about Bush’s supporters than anything else.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:38 pmSo Beefeater, do you support the practice of waterboarding captured U.S. troops by enemies of the U.S.?
Comment by Dave C — November 1, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
It’s weird how beefeater can’t answer this simple question. How about you, Liberals Are Filled With Hate. Is it ok for enemies of the U.S. to follow their lead and waterboard captured U.S. troops?
November 1st, 2007 at 5:38 pmUnfair, Shayne. No republican rescues anybody, it’s their culture of personal responsibility getting in the way. Either that or they’re cowards, I can’t always tell. The way they’re avoiding service, I have to lean towards the latter.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:38 pm#39 – did you just wish death on me? Spoken like a true librofascist. Hitler would be so proud. YOu would gas Republicans if you could get away with it.
Scary, but TP will come in hand when the GOP assaults the Democrats next year.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — November 1, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
he’s just trying to get you to do your duty, HATER, but we all know you haven’t the courage or the patriotism to actually do anything about the Islamist Menace. When we destroy your party and bury its corpse next year, TP will be the place where we celebrate. You can slink back into your corner and cry away, or you can join up and head to the desert, where you will probably get fragged for your cowardly ineptitude. I love the term of the GOP “assaulting” the democrats next year. Will Rudely wear his assault gown? Pretty funny line for a chickenhawk.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:42 pmI see that Beefeater won’t answer my question, because he knows damn well that bringing up an incident from almost 40 years ago is stupid.
What you and your ilk are doing, Beefeater, is trying to attack the argument that Mukasey isn’t the right choice by attacking the character of Senator Kennedy. And the only thing you have is this thing you’re obsessed with, a drunk driving wreck that happened back in 1969, a good 4 years before I was born. The crime was investigated, charges were brought, the verdict was returned and punishment was dealt long before I was a glimmer in my father’s eye. This not only makes your attack an argumentum ad hominem, it also makes it a stupid ad hominem.
Beefeater? If you can’t attack the person’s position and you have to resort to attacking the person himself, you’ve already lost the argument.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:48 pmI still have some fight left in me and will continue to do so. Last night’s pumpkins were carved “Impeach†and the other was Bush as the devil. So far, the house is still standing… I’ll light them again tonight.
And I will tell my grandchild that I fought…
Comment by Theresa
The pumpkin idea was brilliant! I am proud of you. Please keep fighting and I will too. I still believe that if a million emails or letters showed up at the WH doorstep or the steps of the capital EVERYDAY, our voices would be heard. I say lets all here at TP, pledge to write one letter each to our state reps and senators, and one letter to the WH every week. Thats not very difficult and it does work. Phone calls would be good also.
My daughter is only 14 and she is very tuned into the political world. She understands certain things are “in the Constitution”, and she knows legislation cannot defeat an amendment contained in that document. She also understands habeus, spying, tortue, and secrecy. She knows changes have occured and congress just doesn’t seem to care. I am proud of her wanting to know what is happening and why. I hope she will be a good citizen who understands how authoritarians work. God bless :)
November 1st, 2007 at 5:57 pmBeefeater? If you can’t attack the person’s position and you have to resort to attacking the person himself, you’ve already lost the argument.
Comment by Jeremy in Denver
Perfectly stated sir, perfectly stated.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:58 pmPromise TP – when Rudy wipes the floor with your ass next fall, stacks the Court with a permananet anti-Roe majority – will you then, please STFU and leave the country. You would probably like it more in Iran.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — November 1, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
You’re pinning your hopes on Rudy? Good one little troll. So when Rudy doesn’t win, your leaving the country right?
November 1st, 2007 at 6:17 pmNotice how the trolls abandon ship once you put the question to them with real world consequences. Now if someone would do that to the politicians this thing would be wrapped up immediately.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:18 pmdid you just wish death on me? Spoken like a true librofascist. Hitler would be so proud. YOu would gas Republicans if you could get away with it.
Scary, but TP will come in hand when the GOP assaults the Democrats next year.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — November 1, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Jews remained civil againt Hitler’s fascism and look where it got them. You expect us to remain civil against Bushco’s fascism but it ain’t gonna happen. You want to ruin this country we’re going down kicking and screaming. And you bootlicking good little Nazis are going down first.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:25 pmEveryone quit picking on Beefeater, he’s had a rough day at the Center today! His Depends weren’t changed until after his 2:00 Nap, then his favorite place to hide was discovered, with all his naughty pictures of young boys, in the secret hiding place in his back-pack!
November 1st, 2007 at 6:27 pmHe’ll be all right in a few days, as he’s going to spend a few nights, tucked in, with his Uncle Demento, at his cabin in the woods!
#60, wrote: My daughter is only 14 and she is very tuned into the political world. She understands certain things are “in the Constitutionâ€, and she knows legislation cannot defeat an amendment contained in that document. She also understands habeus, spying, tortue, and secrecy. She knows changes have occured and congress just doesn’t seem to care. I am proud of her wanting to know what is happening and why. I hope she will be a good citizen who understands how authoritarians work. God bless :)
Comment by StratRat — November 1, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
My youngest is a 14 YO boy and he, like your daughter, has good political acumen. Connor tunes into Mike Malloy at bedtime. When he graduated 8th grade last year, a copy of the Declaraction, Consititution and Bill of Rights was included in his “diploma”. He read them during summer vacation and included them in the list of his “summer reading” when entering high school. He’s usually with me when I “do my thing” and he can hold his own in a political discussion. I’m proud of him. I’ll continue to write and call my Senators and Dishonorable Representative. I still get mail from Menendez and Lautenberg, but Garrett took me off his mailing list long ago and never responds to my letters anymore. I do contribute blog entries to Garrett’s opponents for the 2008 election though and will continue that…
Hang tough StratRat (and TPers, etal)! Our kids and their kids need to know we cared.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:42 pmWhen politicians have to have a discussion/argument about whether or not we should torture people, we are not the America of old.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:52 pmIt is unconscionable that anyone would defend the use of torture, want to redefine torture from the international standards that have been in place for decades if not longer, argue their case and then sleep at night.
With the likes of Republican talking heads like Gillespie, and anyone from the RNC and/or Fox News, to McCain and Graham, to MuKasey and other wafflers, we should be embarrassed and ashamed as a nation. I know I am.
#10 bob
November 1st, 2007 at 6:55 pmMuslims are to Bush what Jews were to Hitler.
#26 Katy
November 1st, 2007 at 7:01 pmI read the Naomi Wolf articles and have seen her interviewed.
She has laid out -for anyone who will listen – the historical steps taken in history toward fascism. We are well down that path.
“I would guess more than Mary Jo, but I don’t know that.”
Comment by Beefeater
And what WMD did Mary Jo possess?
You’re loopy.
November 1st, 2007 at 8:40 pmholy crap… anyone else listening to randi rhodes?
Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ print/ 0,,329789179-110878,00.html
see also:
http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org/
.
Comment by katy — November 1, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Katy,
You should pick up Naomi Wolf’s best selling book “The End of America”–well written, informative and very scary. Pay cash if you can; no credit card, no record.
November 2nd, 2007 at 5:31 amGreat Job. Keep up the good work. Now please start standing up to Bush. You guy act like cowards rather than elected members of the majority in Congress.
November 2nd, 2007 at 7:18 am#74 – “Despite the progressive desire for failure and defeat” Comment by TCDon — November 2, 2007 @ 6:19 am
Ahh, poor unfortunate soul! Progressives hope and pray for America to be returned to it’s former glory!
It’s the Republican in charge that have brought the US the anti-US Constitution policies that they crave and love!
It’s Pres. Bush that lied about Iraq in order to start a war of occupation with no plans at all for finishing the job!
It’s the neo-cons that hate the freedoms for which our soldiers fight and die!
November 2nd, 2007 at 8:02 amOld Teddy may be a lot of things but he’s not one of the spineless enabling Dems.
We need to start challenging the incumbencies of spineless, corrupt Bush Dog Dems like Jay Rockefeller. Anyone know when he’s up for reelection?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:37 pm