Conservative dismisses waterboarding as a ’swim lesson.’
By on Nov 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 am
Conservative dismisses waterboarding as a ’swim lesson.’
On Wednesday night on CNN’s The Situation Room, conservative columnist and “Republican strategist” Rachel Marsden dismissed worries over Attorney General Michael Mukasey’s refusal to say waterboarding is torture, saying “One man’s torture is another man’s CIA’s sponsored swim lesson.” Watch it:
As Steve Benen notes, earlier in the interview, Marsden claimed that history would look kindly on President Bush in the same way it had vindicated Joseph McCarthy.
UPDATE: Marsden’s analogy is reminiscent of Rush Limbaugh’s distasteful contention that Abu Ghraib was nothing more than guards “having a good time,” “blow[ing] some steam off.”
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Did I miss Joe McCarthy Vindication Day? Or maybe there was a Bush executive order to that effect. . . .
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:00 pmNice to know that CNN couldn’t find a US commentator to support the GOP view.
Marsden is Canadian.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pmAs Steve Benen notes, earlier in the interview, Marsden claimed that history would look kindly on President Bush in the same way it had vindicated Joseph McCarthy
What?? That’s not…. That’s so… What??
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pmRachel is just jealous of Little Annie Coulter. She’s practicing to be just as outlandish, ignorant and arrogant as that little blond gas-bag.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pm“CIA’s sponsored swim lesson”, will maybe Rachel Marsden should be given a little “Swim Lesson” and then she can then understand that it is “CIA TORTURE” and a WAR CRIME.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:05 pmI get tired of saying this; just waterboard Marsden and then ask her what she thinks. Better yet, tell her that she must renounce her stance on waterboarding, calling it torture, duing the waterboard (on no swim practice).
Let’s take a poll; will she or won’t she label waterboarding as torture when her throat fills with water?
Marsden is an idiot in the same boat as Michelle Malkin!!!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pm“Republican strategist Rachel Marsden”
With both houses of congress in democratic hands isn’t “republican strategist” now an oxymoron?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmmccarthy vindicated???
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmwhatwhatWHAAAAAT?
dID i MISS SOMETHING?!?!?!?!
Marsden is certifiable.
Neo-Crazy.
TP may be gaining a new troll or three out of this thread. Depending on how many of her personalities show up.
Best of luck.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:10 pmFor a nice six or seven figure salary I too would say “black is white, up is down, waterboarding is a ’swimming lesson’, Bush talks to God”. There’s a reason they call them “Presstitutes”.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:11 pmAs Steve Benen notes, earlier in the interview, Marsden claimed that history would look kindly on President Bush in the same way it had vindicated Joseph McCarthy.
clearly, marsden is being groomed for a spot on cnn. this was a test run to see how she held up spouting those lies and distortions. if she gets thru the segment unbowed and unshamed, expect to see her in the cnn chatterbunny lineup.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:12 pm“One man’s torture is another man’s CIA’s sponsored swim lesson.â€
It has been a War Crime according to US law for a long time.
Any debate on it is totally manufactured and FALSE.
Torture is torture period. It does NOT depend on who is doing it. Anyone who does it is a fcking War Criminal, Period.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:13 pmMarsden is Canadian.
Comment by CitiDC — November 2, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
CitiDC, unfortunately, there are more than a few neocon sympathizers here in Canada.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:13 pmShe is of the same ilk as Coulter. I can’t believe the media gives these hate mongerers a platform! They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmMy question is this: why can’t congress simply pass a law banning the practice? Sure, Bush will veto it, but it’s something. Maybe I’m just ignorant, is there a law already addressing water boarding?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:16 pmAs Steve Benen notes, earlier in the interview, Marsden claimed that history would look kindly on President Bush in the same way it had vindicated Joseph McCarthy
WTF???!!!! In what alternate universe has McCarthy been vindicated by history??!!?!
I’ve never heard him be anything but reviled!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:17 pmSeems Mardsen knows alot about swim lessons:
The 28–year–old woman who falsely accused a swim coach at Simon Fraser University of sexual harassment in the mid 1990s, now faces a charge of criminal harassment.
Rachel Marsden was arrested by Vancouver Police after a 52–year–old Vancouver man complained of being harassed by phone and e-mail. Police say the two had an intimate on–again, off–again relationship over the past 12 months.
But Constable Sarah Bloor says Marsden began making threatening phone calls and e-mails to the man between October 7 and November 12 of this year.
Marsden was held in custody overnight.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/01/cafferty-debates-with-a-man-stalker-named-rachel-mardsen-waterboarding-is-swim-lesson/
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmPerhaps we should all go back to simpler times, you know, like the bible thumpers seem to desire. Homosexuals remain in the closet. Spread of information back to running notes written on stone. We could then bring back the real good old days and take people like Marsen, Coulter et al and find out if they really are wicked wicked people. You remember? Throw them in the lake, if they float they are wicked and should be burned. If they drown….. we would be better off!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pmLet’s take a poll; will she or won’t she label waterboarding as torture when her throat fills with water?
Comment by nofltwlt — November 2, 2007 @ 12:08 pmâ€
Be careful…… She is probably very good at having her throat filled with fluid…..
That may not effect her…. /snark….
dude..
AWESOME..
I thought it, but you beat me to the punch….
er, donkeypunch?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pm@Nature Rules
Point being, do you guys have to watch Ann Colter on CBC or CTV pontificating about Joe Clark’s legacy? Robert Novak on Stephen Harper’s popularity in his riding? John Podhoertz on Maher Arar? Probably not. What sort of credibility would they have talking about your politics?
Same applies for Rich Little. Of course, the exchange rate was better back then and the White House Correspondents’ Association probably got a deal on him for that Bush dinner.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmShe meant to say history has been vindictive of McCarthy.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmMy question is this: why can’t congress simply pass a law banning the practice? Sure, Bush will veto it, but it’s something. Maybe I’m just ignorant, is there a law already addressing water boarding?
Comment by jpoke42 — November 2, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Yes, waterboarding is considered torture by the Geneva Convention and thus banned by all participating countries, but Gonzo and Darth have decided to forgo our participation in it so it is now a free fire zone as to what is and what isn’t torture any more.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmI like the stuff on the accompanying link:
“Security officers hastily escorted “Red Eye†contributor Rachel Marsden out of Fox News Channel’s Midtown headquarters yesterday for bizarre and erratic behavior”
You know it’s bad when she’s too crazy for Fox :)
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmThrow them in the lake, if they float they are wicked and should be burned. If they drown….. we would be better off!
I’m for that. Republicans first though :)
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmLooks like Fox News and CNN are drinking out of the same toilet.
Why do they parade these loonies on TV?
Oh, that’s right – they are “entertaining”.
BTW, Joe McCarthy has never been vindicated or ever will be.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmYou know it’s bad when she’s too crazy for Fox :)
Comment by swordsbane — November 2, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Considering their complete lineup of wacko BushCo butt-lickers and ranting Fascists, I find that hard to believe.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmThrow them in the lake, if they float they are wicked and should be burned. If they drown….. we would be better off!
I’m for that. Republicans first though :)
Comment by swordsbane — November 2, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Naw, need a Republican dunking chair. Dunk 3 times, bring them up twice.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhy doesn’t Congress just pass a bill saying, “The United States joins with the International community in supporting and abiding by the Geneva Conventions”, and then let Bush veto it and take the heat.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:34 pmIn the same segment, Marsden also said we were winning in Viet-Nam until Democrats cut off funding.
∞
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by raynman — November 2, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Because Congress doesn’t have the balls to do ANYTHING. BushCo has them so scared, they can’t go to the bathroom without asking their permission. (Larry Craig being the exception, of course.)
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 pmPoint being, do you guys have to watch Ann Colter on CBC or CTV pontificating about Joe Clark’s legacy? Robert Novak on Stephen Harper’s popularity in his riding? John Podhoertz on Maher Arar? Probably not. What sort of credibility would they have talking about your politics?
Same applies for Rich Little. Of course, the exchange rate was better back then and the White House Correspondents’ Association probably got a deal on him for that Bush dinner.
Comment by CitiDC — November 2, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
I totally understand your point CitiDC. Why the hell bother with what Marsden thinks? It seems obvious that Marsden and others (John Roberts for just one example – btw he used to be called J D Roberts 20 years ago when he did a music magazine tv show) see opportunity for show business careers in the US.
A good thing for us Canadians is that we don’t get too many Americans coming up here for show business careers LOL Except for Jebb Fink of course.
Funny you should point out Harpers popularity in his riding – I’m in his riding!!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 pmthis is a perfect example of how we are being propagandized to accept torture as normal practice…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:39 pmI googled my own question about the legality of water boarding and found this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1356870
“Water boarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in Vietnam 40 years ago. A photograph that appeared in The Washington Post of a U.S. soldier involved in water boarding a North Vietnamese prisoner in 1968 led to that soldier’s severe punishment. ”
“Earlier in 1901, the United States had taken a similar stand against water boarding during the Spanish-American War when an Army major was sentenced to 10 years of hard labor for water boarding an insurgent in the Philippines. ”
This certainly seems like there is precedence. Bring them all up on charges!
Still, why can’t Congress make it crystal clear and pass a law specifically banning this torture technique. Oh, thats right… the people we elected to stop this war are just a bunch of spineless, corp owned lobbyists in law-maker’s clothing. I don’t want to hear anything about 60 votes, they can simply stop funding it. I know that Chris Matthews can go wherever the wind blows, but I’m glad he is at least pushing this point on just about every show.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 pmMarsden was held in custody overnight.
Comment by OxyCon
Good catch there OxyCon, just another GOP personality, sick stuff.
What is with the constant outing of these pervs?
Rubber suits with plugs?
Dressing up in ladies undergarments for gay sex?
Pages?
Diapers and Hookers?
Toilet Sex?
The list is so long of sexual deviate activities by the party of Gross Old Perverts that it boggles the mind.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmwaterboarding as performed by the khmer rouge on the prisoners held captive at cambodia’s tuol sleng prison. and, that is now forever identified as a part of u.s. doctrine.
http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2006/09/this_is_what_wa.php
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:48 pmThen it’s time to give everyone in Bush’s administration a “swimming lesson” today! What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Belly up to the pool, sickos!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pmHow on earth can anyone state in the same sentence that “waterboarding is safe”?? Bush did in his ridiculous PR stunt yesterday. Does he realize what a moron he’s making of himself in public these days?
Apparently not.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:50 pmWhat a complete, utter, blithering, drooling, babbling moron…!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:50 pm#40 If there actually WAS a WOT, it could be won. There never has been one, other than false flag operations, aka inside jobs, so there you have it.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:51 pm#40 and Every bush official who has lied should be given a swimming lesson, too.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmI snooped around a little and it appears that some right-wingers have a conspiracy theory about how McCarthy was wrongfully villified by the left(for what reason I couldn’t tell you).
Here’s her actual quote about McCarth being vindicated:
A few minutes prior, in the same CNN appearance, she explained:
“People hated Joe McCarthy and they said he was wrong about what he was doing. Turned out based on Verona Project that he was right. So I think history will prove George Bush right as well.â€
She has clearly read this article from the Free Republic(not sure if TP will allow me to post this link):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1379283/posts
The Verona Project that she mentions and is also referenced heavily by the author of the article is actually called the Venona Project. No, it doesn’t seem like eather of them have done their homework if they don’t even know what it’s called.
Anyway, it was a secret spying program that supposedly reveals that many of the people McCarthy villified were identified by this program as spies, but since it was all classified it appeared that McCarthy was just nuts to the public since he couldn’t show the proof to his claims. Personally it sounds like complete BS to me. What good is a classified spying program if you have to publicly release classified info to be able to make arrests.
I haven’t looked into it very deeply, but at a glance it looks like another republican attempt to re-write history.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:53 pmAwesome op/ed from Ted Rall on this subject:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/20071031/cm_ucru/torturersthenextgeneration;_ylt=Ar5gpfu6dwJWW4QrE8TRUOT9wxIF
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:54 pmAnd now for something really stupid -
“ANY Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate”
You’re a punk, you could beat up a puppy.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmTreasonous actions done by Ann Coulter.
Comment by michael
Lemming fool, Ann as vindication for McCarthy, hahahaha, what a joke.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 pm#44 – you should be given a swimming lesson for your hateful comments. Interesting that you have more disdain for our Presdient than you do terrorists. I would like to beat the sh*t out of you.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate
Threats are a violation of this forum’s Terms of Use. You’ve been reported.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:00 pm#44 – you should be given a swimming lesson for your hateful comments. Interesting that you have more disdain for our Presdient than you do terrorists. I would like to beat the sh*t out of you.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — November 2, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
LOL Nice moniker given that you make statements like
“TP should be waterboarded for treason! Ted Kennedy should be waterboarded for murdering Mary Jo!!!”
and
“I would like to beat the sh*t out of you.”
LOL
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:01 pmYour one the funniest trolls I’ve read. Showing the love that will change peoples minds! LOL Keep it coming Mr. Hate.
Yes! Read Treason by Ann Coulter.
Comment by michael
Cause she’s a reliable source of info?
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:03 pmfor the last time, would all those who downplay waterboarding give it a try!!???
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmMcCarthy was right!
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate
Yes, Eugene McCarthy was correct about a lot of things.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm#60 – Come on, you can’t really believe in what she says. I am convinced that she doesn’t really believe it, she just does it for the ratings. Are you really defending her???
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmUnited States has charged, prosecuted, and convicted war criminals for specifically waterboarding. So stop the bullshit. Its torture, and its useless torture. If you want someone to sign a confession you’ve prepared, waterboarding will do fine. If you want a confession, waste of time.
US vs. Wasada et al. US War Crimes Tribunal- Shanghai 1946
Prosecuted Japanese army officers for waterboarding survivors of the Dolittle raid to get them to sign false confessions.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmDo you know how groups like TP and Media Matters cherry picks her quotes and reports them out of context?
How about her comments that women shouldn’t vote? Is that out of context?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmAre you really defending her???
Comment by jpoke42
You obviously don’t know michael…
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:13 pmComment by michael
Here I will help you with your post sign off -
Comment by Hi, I’m Michael and I’m an Idiot.
You’re welcome.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:14 pmAnyone, everyone, who adopts a cavalier attitude toward our use of torture should get a free trip to Chechnya, where they can experience first hand what we’re doing to people – only after they’ve been there, done that, should they open their feeble, ignorant mouths about it.
I’m nominating Michael to be the first to enjoy the privilege.
Mike – if you’re actually reading ann coulter books you should seek help – you’re borderline, and with enough encouragement, you’ll morph into the next workplace shooter, poison mailer, or domestic terror-bomber. Congratulations – you’re Tim McVeigh Jr.!
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:17 pmYou didn’t answer me michael.
Was here comment about taking away a woman’s right to vote taken out of context?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:18 pmThe subject of this thread is how conservatives are still acting like a proceedure banned by the Geneva Convention is not torture. We’ve courtmarshalled our own officers and soldiers for it in Nam and the Phillipines, we’ve thrown Nazis in prison for life and executed members of the Japanese military for it, but conservatives and the corporate-fascist media still act as if there is some sort of debate on the proceedure.
The trolls are so bent over this that one is threatening violence and the other is strongly suggesting we read an Ann Coulter book. Tragicomic.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:20 pmMichael, what does Ann Coulter’s book have to do with whether or not you and your party sanction torture?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:21 pmhere’s a wild statement for ya then Mike – pack your obnoxious ass down to a marine recruiting office (today) and head on over to Iraq – the sooner the better.
all you’re doing here is proving again and again why Righties are something we need to be rid of, urgently. You’re actually damaging your own side by participating here, and the fact that you don’t realize that is proof of how crazy you’re becoming by feeding your mind nothing but toxic garbage.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:21 pmMichael, we executed a Japanese Military officer for waterboarding Americans and Phillipinos during WWII. Since you’ve read her books, maybe you can tell us Ann’s position on this. Does Coulter think waterboarding is torture?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:23 pmAnn Coulter is really a liberal. She publishes her insane diatribes because she gets her jollys watching the wingnuts try to defend her lunatic rantings.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:25 pmShe never advocated taking the vote away from women she did say that if women couldn’t vote there would NEVER be another democrat in the White House and she is correct!
Comment by michael
Hmmm… sure about that?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:26 pm“I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting — and your Communists will back me up on this — is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it’s always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.”
– Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001
OK, just one attempt. Michael, there are at least four or five books in the last five years that, in part, detail some of the lies and distortions in Coulter’s work. The easiest to read, and one of the best documented with footnotes, is Al Franken’s “Lies and the Lying Liars…” He devotes at least a couple chapters (fully sourced with footnotes) regarding Coulter’s habit of distorting sources, mistating sources, distorting history and out-and-out lying. I know, I know, you don’t think Franken is a legitimate source, but you trust Coulter implicitly. Fine.
Now, back to the subject. Don’t you think it’s a bit unseemly for your party’s spokespeople to be making light of a proceedure for which we executed people after WWII?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:28 pmMichael: “First of all it’s spelled Filipinos. And yes, I’m sure she supports whatever it takes to get information from these animals!”
OK, so I take it that you believe our executive branch is above the law; that the laws of our land, and by extension, our constution can be ignored if the executive decides it should be ignored. Is that your position?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 pmAnd yes, I’m sure she supports whatever it takes to get information from these animals!
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
What animals?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 pmAnd yes, I’m sure she supports whatever it takes to get information from these animals!
Comment by michael
It’s probably a violation of the Geneva Convention, but we could make them read Ann Coulter’s books until they snap and tell us everything.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmWhat animals?
Comment by Luis M — November 2, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Haven’t you heard? The U.S. is waterboarding animals now.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:32 pmMichael, why do you think it’s OK for an American to use a proceedure that we have executed Japanese for using?
And, please explain to all of us where you draw the line on lawbreaking. Can a president simply decide not to follow any law, or does there have to be some kind of a threat or war? What if there is some question as to whether or not we are at war – can the president still decide to break the law.
Michael, we need to get clear on this because Hillary Clinton will be working under these rules as well. Do you think a President Hillary Clinton should be able to decide which laws she follows and which she breaks?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:34 pm“Information from these animals!”
Comment by michael – the puppy and kitten hater.
Wow, this subhuman neanderturd is sick in the head.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmmichael: “And so will you spare me the agonizing thought of having to read the fat *sses book by providing some of his quotes and sources?”
I see… so you’re chiding us for not reading Coulter’s books but you refuse to read a book which criticizes Coulter. Nice going Michael. You really are certifiable, aren’t you.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmBart: “So why is Michelle defending Frau Coulter anyway?”
My guess: a pathetic effort to steer the conversation away from the subject of this thread.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:39 pmLiberal press my ass, Exley.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmSo, michael, care to address this?
I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting — and your Communists will back me up on this — is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it’s always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.â€
– Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001
How is this ‘out of context’? And do you support her view that women should have their right to vote taken away?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmThe thread’s about how republicans are calling a proceedure for which people have been executed and imprisoned a “swim lesson.”
Michael: “ANN COULTER’S BOOKS ARE GREAT!”
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:41 pmVerbalkint: “Liberal press my ass, Exley.”
Yes. So damn liberal that another day goes by with them somehow forgetting to remind the public that we have executed people for this.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pm“I think [women] should be armed but should not vote…women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it…it’s always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.â€
Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001
“It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 – except Goldwater in ‘64 – the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.â€
[13]; May 17, 2003
Nowhere does she say they shouldn’t be allowed to vote she is saying that they just aren’t smart enough and should stay home on election day.
Comment by michael
Sounds like you’re really splitting hairs to me. But ok, she doesn’t use those EXACT words.
But me question stands, do you agree with her? Do you think that women “just aren’t smart enough and should stay home on election day”“?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pmto everyone here who thinks that all of the enhanced interrogation techniques are just fraternity type pranks here’s a thought. Since we on the left are so ignorant of everything, why don’t y’all go take each one of those techniques for a spin. Either solo or as a package deal. Then come back and tell us about what a walk in the park they were. Of course, you’ll have to make sure you don’t make any unfounded confessions during the time you’re ‘exercising’; otherwise, we’ll keep you forever.
Idiots. I sure hope they like life when all the shoes are on the other side’s feet. And to think they wanted to impeach Clinton for lying about a blow job. We’ve come a long way, ain’t we
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:44 pm#43 – my god, you are fool. As a NYer, I can tell you, there is a WOT. 9/11 was NOT an inside job.
Sheesh, you people are morons.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — November 2, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
And, exactly what did Iraq have to do with Rudy’s 9/11 Day of Celebration?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:45 pmIf you ask me, the Shrub years will be vindicated exactly as the McCarthy years.
McCarthy is seen as a black time in our history where fear ruled and innocent people were blacklisted for trivial and trumped up charges without benefit of due process.
Shrub is a black time in our history where fear rules and innocent people were blacklisted for trivial and trumped up charges without benefit of due process.
The only difference in the two above sentences if past versus present tense.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pmBe careful…… She is probably very good at having her throat filled with fluid…..
That may not effect her…. /snark….
Comment by RemoveBush — November 2, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Lib higher level of discourse? Liz Edwards would be ever so proud. ;)
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pmMikey, Mikey, Mikey…..
You’ve been watching far too many episodes of “24″ lately.
It’s FICTION, dear. FICTION.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:50 pmIf we all just remember that Tranny Anny Coulter is an entertainer, nothing more, nothing less, just like the rusher, then who cares what he/she says. And if a few people (like mikey and valiant vagina here) actually believe his/her comedic posts, then it is they who have the issues.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmCareful everyone. Watch your language and for god sakes clean up you discourse. Upright left is here and she has very dainty sensibilities. These conservatives are all about being civil, you know.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:54 pmAnd Michelle just wants to get us to talk about woman not voting equalling a republican led country, instead of what a nazi peice of sh$t him and the right wing are for supporting evil.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
I don’t know if taking away a woman’s right to vote will be enough to ensure dictatorial control by the Republicans. Just make sure, they need to take the vote away from those darn pesky black people too.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:55 pmOh, and Mikey…?
Ix-nay on the elling-spay, ok, buddy?
You yourself only learned how to spell “crocodile” two days ago.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:57 pmUpright left, would you call referring to waterboarding as a “CIA swim lesson” a “higher level of discourse?”
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm107 – No – it’s true! Ex was riding his unicorn over to the Magical Anti-Terrorism-Amulet-Mart, and rode right past their office – a bunch of hippies were in there, writing the news, eating vegetarian sandwiches, and wearing Che T-Shirts. The sign outside said “New York Times / Fight the Power / We want oppressive Socialism to prevail for all time / we won’t stop until all your kids are gay-married vegans”. Just about that time, they were throwing a recent Regent University journalism grad out the door, shouting “no one who believes in God is permitted here!” Luckily, Ex was there, and spurred his horn-ed steed to the rescue of the humble co-ed, and gave her a ride right on over to Fox, where she’s now paid 300K plus bonuses to tell us all about what she’s learned in her 24 years of being homeschooled by people who go to the Dr., but hate science.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:58 pmRefer to #105 for the actual quote?
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
And you agree with Coultergeist that women aren’t smart enough to vote?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pmMichael, why do you think it’s OK for an American to use a proceedure that we have executed Japanese for using?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmAnd, please explain to all of us where you draw the line on lawbreaking. Can a president simply decide not to follow any law, or does there have to be some kind of a threat or war? What if there is some question as to whether or not we are at war – can the president still decide to break the law.
Michael, we need to get clear on this because Hillary Clinton will be working under these rules as well. Do you think a President Hillary Clinton should be able to decide which laws she follows and which she breaks?
Okay, for all those who think that waterboarding is equivalent to “swim lessons”:
How would you feel, if your son or daughter was interrogated and then waterboarded?
Would you change your mind if you witnessed it?
Is it acceptable for children to be water boarded?
Toddlers?
Senior citizens?
I mean, after all, it’s just like swimming, eh?
Here is what I think is the difference in the mindset of the right compared to the left.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmThe right agrees with torture, as long as it’s “them” not “us”.
The left analyzes all aspects of torture, including the what if scenarios (what if it was “my child”), and disagrees.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll post it again. I’ll say whatever you want me to say to protect my family. Doesn’t always mean what I say is truth.
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
And you agree with Coultergeist that women aren’t smart enough to vote?
Comment by upside99
He’s dodging the question isn’t he?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmMichael, why do you think it’s OK for an American to use a proceedure that we have executed Japanese for using?
And, please explain to all of us where you draw the line on lawbreaking. Can a president simply decide not to follow any law, or does there have to be some kind of a threat or war? What if there is some question as to whether or not we are at war – can the president still decide to break the law.
Michael, we need to get clear on this because Hillary Clinton will be working under these rules as well. Do you think a President Hillary Clinton should be able to decide which laws she follows and which she breaks?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 2, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Michael, I see you never answered the Colonel’s question. I’d certainly like to see your answer, as I’m sure many on this board would as well. Oh…and saying that no Democrat is going to be President (ever?) doesn’t count as an answer.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:02 pmHistory never vindicated Joseph McCarthy nor did history vindicate Adolf Hitler and history will NOT vindicate George W Bush. So by comparing Bush to McCarthy, Rachel is admitting that the boy Bush is a terrorist. McCarthy terrorized Americans and so does Bush.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:02 pmHe’s dodging the question isn’t he?
Comment by DigDug — November 2, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
uhuh! As well as a few other direct questions put to him. That’s what happens when you try to defend an entertainer like Tranny Anny. Nothing of substance to go on.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:04 pm“Did I miss Joe McCarthy Vindication Day? Or maybe there was a Bush executive order to that effect. . . .”
Latest meme? Clearly, what’s going on is the Right wants us to *think* McCarthy’s been “vindicated”. You know, the way Nixon was?
My guess is this is going to develop into a strategy whereby the Right will attack the next administration – you know the Democratic one – in the same way McCarthy attacked Truman’s and Eisenhower’s. It’ll be “terrorist sympathizers”, and “card-carrying al qaeda” in the State Department. Just you watch!
I think we’ll see other “Republican strategists” picking this up and running with it.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:04 pmIf my memory serves me well, did not Joe McCarthy travel to Europe after WW2, and claim the Army was being too tough on SS sentenced to death for War Crimes? The Army actually brought him down, with the help of Edward R Murrow. Good for them both. The Drunk Slime ball was attacking “Commies” for his Fascist masters that were spirited into this country by Operation Paperclip and especially that traitor Allen Dulles.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_42_39/ai_108838279
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmMichael: “I do sanction torture!”
So, you approve something which is against the law. You approve of something for which U.S. military officers have been sent to prison. You approve of something for which Nazis and Japanese military were executed.
Is your position that it’s ok when we do it, but not when others do it? That sounds like a radical case of “situational ethics” to me. Don’t conservatives usually complain that liberals practice “situational ethics” and lack the character to have real values?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:10 pmNotice how mikey has decided to cut and run? What would the rusher say about that, mikey?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:11 pmOne thing has become clear to me. The republican party would have fit right in with Hitler and his brownshirts. They will say anything or do anything to get power and when they get it look out. These people claim to be so religious, but they stand for torture and then use Jesus as a prop. They have no shame at all and they don’t even try to hide their racist, bigoted, evil way anymore.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:12 pm“One man’s torture is another man’s CIA’s sponsored swim lesson.â€
so…
Hitler’s gas chambers were another man’s Gestapo sponsored sauna.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:15 pmWhile Michael’s deciding how he feels about GWB breaking laws here’s something else for him to mull over… if waterboarding is ok for prisoners of the U.S. then the U.S. is giving it’s specific acceptance to other countries to waterboard captured U.S. troops. Michael, how do you feel about that? Do you give your support for other countries to waterboard captured U.S. troops?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:23 pmShadow: “These people claim to be so religious, but they stand for torture and then use Jesus as a prop.”
They’re definitely not the first psychos to do this. After all, the practice of waterboarding was first developed by priests during the Spanish inquisition.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:24 pmMichael, I’ll pose this question to you again. Do you think that a President Hillary Clinton can unilaterally decide which laws she wants to follow and which laws she can break?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:26 pmMikey had to go to the store and buy mom some more Depends and get himself some Mountain Dew and Cheetos. He will return soon.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:33 pmAll talking stops in Republican dreamworld when torture talk turns to things like “laws” and how this practice will affect U.S. troops. It’s indefensible so even a moron like Michael has to back off. Usually this is when hits steps up because he’s willing to have any number of troops die in his defense, what’s a little torture thrown in. He must be whacking off right now.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pmAnd, exactly what did Iraq have to do with Rudy’s 9/11 Day of Celebration?
Comment by upside99 — November 2, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Quite a bit, actually. Indirectly, of course. They were threatening to invade Saudi Arabian oil fields back in 1991 and the Saudis got us to kick Saddam out of Kuwait and then we left our troops there which angered Usama bin Laden and he issued a fatwa or two about it and eventually some of his followers hijacked planes and crashed into some buildings and then we gave Usama what he wanted in April 2003 by pulling our troops out of Saudi Arabia.
That’s when al-Qa’ida won the War on Terror. He got exactly what he wanted. Then we gave him a bonus by invading and destabilizing one of his enemies in Iraq, and we’re about to give him another bonus by destroying the “Shia dogs” in Iran.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:40 pmReally? You don’t hear us Republicans bad mouthing our troops.
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Just the phony ones, right?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pmNo Michael, we just hear how you want to send wounded troops back into an active military zone. We hear you talk of phony soldiers and then remove your spin to wiggle your way out.
Michael, Have more respect when you talk to a vet.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmAnd just how will it affect the U.S. troops?
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
If waterboarding is a reasonable & safe thing for the U.S. to do with its prisoners they are giving the rest of the world their ok to do the same with captured U.S. troops. The Geneva Convention is in place to protect prisoners of war. Of course some countries will still ignore it but those that don’t can now add waterboarding to their list of acceptable means of gaining information. If I was in the military I would be pissed off that the U.S. is torturing POWs. You’re safe & snug at home so none of this, including your opinions, affect you. If there is ever a U.S. draft and you are forced to join the army you might see this point a little clearer.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmLet’s give Rush and anyone who thinks waterboarding is like a swim a taste of it. Then we can see if they still support it.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmspine was the word, but spin fits. Michael, the republican top.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmBillo said something similar last night on his show. What i would like to do is get some of those folks and subject them to a little water torture. Like hold their heads under ’till they bubble!
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pmAnd before this c0cksucker opens his mouth, let me remind him of the exlempary manner in which the Iraqi’s treated Jessica Lynch, and this by her own account.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 2, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Now when you say Jessica Lynch do you mean the real person or the one that the U.S. govt made up? Either way I heard her speak on the tube and she said she was treated very well by the Iraqis.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pmHellinabucket – Michael and his kind are way too cowardly to ever enlist in anything stronger than a panty raid. So easy to mouth the words when you haven’t a finger full of courage.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmMichael: “And just how will it affect the U.S. troops”
Our troops could find themselves prisoners of war at some time. How will our government argue for their humane treatment if we santion torture ourselves?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmNo need to bad mouth when actions speak louder than words. Stop loss orders. 3rd and 4th tours back into Iraq. extended tours. insufficient armor. Insufficient plans.
These are the actions of someone who doesn’t respect the troops. Only use and abuse them.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmCsucker sounds like another one of the Repubs who opted out of the military, but still thinks he’s John Wayne. Supporting the troops – and I know I was one for 20 years – is more than running your mouth reckless, it’s making sure we don’t get ‘em killed for chicken sh#t reasons like oil and power!
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:49 pmGee I lived during Vietnam, my brother died there and I never heard a word about Muslims being over there? Michael take some time in that padded room you are writting in and read some history.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmMichael is the type of mindless trash that could be reduced to a shriveling mass of stupidity if debated face to face. He’s a loyal feartrooper for Bush and will gladly drink up the stupid soup he’s served.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmHistory?! You mean repubs have history books?
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmAre you liberals really this stupid? Have you forgotten what muslims have done to some our troops in Afganastan? How about Somalia? How about Vietnam? How about Korea? How about the Japanese? How about the Germans? Wake up!
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
So that’s how you’d like the U.S. compared? They should be no better then Afghanistan, Somalia, Vietnam, Korea, Japan & Germany at their worst? Lower the expectations of U.S. soldiers to the lowest level that their enemies have ever sunk to? Good to know. You must be right because that’s the effect that torture will have on the U.S. Their standing in the world will be no greater then that of Nazi Germany if they start following those practices. Torture is a slippery slope, once you accept one form of it it’s hard not to accept them all. After all, they’re all equally ineffective. The main purpose of torture is to inflict fear in the enemy. It’s hardly useful to get intel.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmAre you liberals really this stupid? Have you forgotten what muslims have done to some our troops in Afganastan? How about Somalia? How about Vietnam? How about Korea? How about the Japanese? How about the Germans? Wake up!
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
You’d rather our country stoop to the level of the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, and al-Qa’ida?
The America I believe in is better than that.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmBet the guys in Iraq would like to say “lunchtime” when they need a time out. These armchair warriors really make me vomit.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmI see Michael is still wearing his urine stained panties…
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmMichael ask your mom if you can try waterboarding, I’ll dunk your head for you.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:53 pmHistory?! You mean repubs have history books?
Comment by lcossey — November 2, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Yes, but they’re the No Child Left Behind versions. They cut out all the stuff about the Constitution and slavery and replaced all presidents with Reagan.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmMichael: “Are you liberals really this stupid? Have you forgotten what muslims have done to some our troops in Afganastan? How about Somalia? How about Vietnam? How about Korea? How about the Japanese? How about the Germans? Wake up!”
A number of things come to mind. One, Michael uses the actions of other countries to justify what he thinks we should do. This is extremely fuzzy thinking and it belies his total absence of appreciation for what our country used to stand for. Michael uses Muslim terrorists as an example for how he thinks we should act as a country – a deeply disfunctional and almost psychotic position.
On top of all that, he cites Germans and Japanese, conveniently forgetting that we imprisoned and executed them for doing things Michael thinks should be admissable for Americans to do.
Michael, take a deep breath and think. Please. You’re backed into a philosophical corner and you’re just not making sense.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 pmBack in the 1970’s the Army ran a POW training camp for the 25th Infantry. All of the “guards” were Russian linguists and interrogators. A few of us were sent through the camp and let me tell you that even play torture can scare hell out of you. (Even now I have cold chills.) When they tied us naked to a chair, place a wet towel over our heads and continued to pour water on it restricting our breathing, you forgot quick that it was a game – or swim lesson. The Army disbanded the school after only a few months because of fear of seriously hurting or even killing someone.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:56 pmMichael, take a deep breath and think. Please. You’re backed into a philosophical corner and you’re just not making sense.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 2, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
That must be a really big corner, cause there are a crapload of conservatives already there.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmWhat many have lost sight of is that we are supposed to set the standard, be the shining light to the world. How can we degrade ourselves by adopting the worst behavior of the despots? My question is if Bush&Co have resorted to using these kinds of known torture, what don’t we know about? What kinds of underground, back room, nazi style stuff have they been using? Is it possible that they see this issue as the domino that could send the whole thing crashing down and expose them for who they really are?
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pmComment by Dave C — November 2, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
great post.
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pm“Michael, how do you feel about that? Do you give your support for other countries to waterboard captured U.S. troops?
Comment by Dave Câ€
Are you liberals really this stupid? Have you forgotten what muslims have done to some our troops in Afganastan? How about Somalia? How about Vietnam? How about Korea? How about the Japanese? How about the Germans? Wake up!
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
As the Colonel said, our own officers and soliders were court marshalled for torture (including waterboarding) in Nam and the Phillipines, Nazis were prosecuted and imprisoned for life, and members of the Japanese military were executed for it. Because of atrocities committed in Afghanistan and Iraq against our troops, does that then make it ok for us to ALSO do it? So what the U.S. once considered a war crime and punished our own and the enemy for doing is now ok? And how about the 8 million who died in the Nazi concentration camps? Is it ok NOW for the U.S. to do something similiar, in the name of “fighting terrorism?” Is there then, NOTHING in your set of principles and moral values that applies NO MATTER WHAT?
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:04 pmI guess it isn’t bad mouthing troops when it is just John Murtha, John McCain, Max Clelland, and John Kerry that Bush/Rove smeared.
No one on this blog has ever bad mouthed those who served and are presently serving. We are working everyday to bring them home safe to their families not like Republicans that care a rats ass about them.
Most of the lies from the various michaels I can laugh at but this is beyond redemption.
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmOhhh, this is way to funny to pass up.
I would never run from you upside after all you’re only a liberal!
Comment by michaelle ann coulter — November 2, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
But in they very same minute, what does (s)he do?
Lunch time!
Comment by michaelle ann coulter — November 2, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Run, of course.
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmOf course, (s)he cannot answer any direct questions, as usual, but hey, at least (s)he can give the scrawny lady (?) free publicity.
Those who boldly send other to die for their privilege are cowards.
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:13 pmAnn Coulter is Beelzebub’s skinny sister
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:14 pmAnn Coulter is Beelzebub’s skinny sister
Comment by lcossey — November 2, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Actually, I’ve pointed this out a couple of times. Michael’s name links to Coulter’s website.
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by impeachcheneythenbush..
Actually, I’ve pointed this out a couple of times. Michael’s name links to Coulter’s website.
never hurts to speak truth often and loudly! Oh and I LOVE your ID
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:23 pmBartlebee – It concerns me that the conservatives do not realize how many freedoms we have lost under Bush.
Any citizen can be held without access to an attorney, not told why they are held with no evidence shown to them. Thats if Bush and his DOJ deam citizens are a threat. They can be held forever.
It can be by saying something, wearing a T-shirt against Bush, asking a question as a mom who lost her son asked of Laura Bush.
These were all arrested, charges dropped later but still arrested.
We are fighting for the freedoms of the Michaels who are treating us like idiots when they are the blind ones.
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:52 pmThis just in…
US generals believe it is “too early to tell” whether the nearly 50 percent drop in explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) found in Iraq in recent months indicates a significant reduction in Iranian aid to groups targeting US troops there. From a high point of 99 in July, the number of EFPs found in Iraq dropped to 53 last month, the Washington Post reported Friday.
What a joke. They declare the surge a victory after a week of good data but it’s too early to tell whether there are fewer Iranian made weapons in Iraq after two months of a 50% reduction. It would be nice to see a comparison of Iranian support in Iraq to Saudi support.
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:14 pmI would never run from you upside after all you’re only a liberal!
Comment by michael — November 2, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
And a recovered Repug from serving his country in Vietnam, and don’t take kindly to anyone calling me or any ohter American cowards or saying we don’t support our troops.
How many tours have you served and you still haven’t answered my question on whether you agree with Coulter that women aren’t smart enough to vote.
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:37 pmYeah, because when a Republican is “hateful†that is “sarcasm†but when a Dem/Independant does it, its WRONG……
It’s so nice to see that you keep your parties hypocrite policies going……
Comment by RemoveBush — November 2, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
You’ll be posting a link anytime now to show that I’ve done that right, bud? Actually, I’ll save you the time because you won’t find it. But that’s as good a way as any to shift attention from the nasty lib post. ;)
November 2nd, 2007 at 5:30 pmHe also can’t seem to figure out whether or not the President needs to follow the law in our system, so let’s just say he’s not playing with a full deck.
November 2nd, 2007 at 5:32 pmupright left: “You’ll be posting a link anytime now to show that I’ve done that right, bud? ”
Why is that you think anyone around here owes a troll?
November 2nd, 2007 at 5:34 pmupright left: “You’ll be posting a link anytime now to show that I’ve done that right, bud? â€
Why is that you think anyone around here owes a troll?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 2, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Well, alright bud! That’s the closest I’ve seen a lib on this site come to acknowledging that libs are every bit as guilty of the hypocrisy with which they are so quick to accuse others. ;)
November 2nd, 2007 at 6:07 pmIt’s funny, michael makes comments about how he has never lost an arguement to one of us liberals, and would leave and never come back if he ever did (not that I wan’t to actually go away–he makes me feel smart! :D).
And yet, this thread is to me a very strong examle of him losing an arguement. He simply has no answer for some of the questions we’ve put to him.
November 2nd, 2007 at 7:05 pmOops… I meant to say: (not that I wan’t himto actually go away–he makes me feel smart! :D).
November 2nd, 2007 at 7:09 pmupright left, that was quite a stretch in logic. All I was saying is that nobody owes you anything. You are a troll. You’re not here to make any useful points or add anything of value to a discussion. You’re here to annoy, provoke, bullshit around and you know it. As such, nobody owes you anything in my opinion. I’ve tried to debate issues with you before. When I give you a link or make an argument to which you can’t respond, you just ignore it and go away. In other words, I see you working. You’re confusing hypocrisy with being realistic.
November 2nd, 2007 at 7:41 pmShe meant to say history has been vindictive of McCarthy.
Comment by shoeless — November 2, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
No, she didn’t, because she belongs to the “Coulter school of (rewriting) history.” Carl Bernstein pretty much pointed out the same when she gave her ludicrous version of how the US lost the war in Vietnam.
November 2nd, 2007 at 9:34 pmIf you liberals spent as much time fighting the terrorists as you do coddling them, we would have won the WOT by now!!!
TP should be waterboarded for treason! Ted Kennedy should be waterboarded for murdering Mary Jo!!!
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — November 2, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
And what have you done towards winning the WOT, Mr./Ms Hateful Troll, who certainly isn’t here to spread love?
November 2nd, 2007 at 9:37 pmDo you think that Laura Bush should also be waterboarded for killing her high school classmate (and rumored ex-boyfriend)?
Michelle loses everytime.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 2, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
Could you please stop calling michael “Michelle” and “her” or “she?” This is insulting to women.
November 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 2, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
Oh no, no, no, rip. My intention isn’t to provoke, but to point out that many libs refuse to acknowledge the same things in themselves that they claim to despise in others, such as hate and hypocrisy. As for the vile post to which I originally responded, I didn’t notice any libs complaining about abuse. Yet, yesterday, a lib got all in a snit and repeatedly whined about abuse for clean posts that were in opposition to his/hers. Seems like some of you libs define “troll” as one who disagrees with you rather than one who disrupts.
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:51 amThe only posts directed to me that I fail to respond to are ones that I’m not here to see. Ya know, sometimes life is just entirely too good to go near a computer. I read links posted (except those from the more vile posters), but I may not give them the same credence as you. As far as civility, is that a bad thing? I’m always surprised that people stand up for such vile posters. Sounds a little like “my way at any cost.” I happened to agree with Elizabeth Edwards and found it ironic that so many libs, in expressing their support for Edwards, vilified Coulter (whom I dislike, by the way). The irony and hypocrisy went unnoticed. Also, I oppose torture as well as vile language, but I do think terrorists are animals. ;)
Also, I oppose torture as well as vile language, but I do think terrorists are animals. ;)
Comment by upright left
As the owner of some delightful companion animals, I am opposed to torturing them, as well. (Don’t worry, rightie-leftie, I know what you really meant.)
November 3rd, 2007 at 4:47 amAlso, I oppose torture as well as vile language, but I do think terrorists are animals. ;)
Comment by upright left
As the owner of some delightful companion animals, I am opposed to torturing them, as well. (Don’t worry, rightie-leftie, I know what you really meant.)
Comment by Lora — November 3, 2007 @ 4:47 am
Should have clarified that for ya, eh Lora? I’m opposed to the torture of all kinds of animals, as well as terrorists who seem more like animals than people. Better? ;)
November 3rd, 2007 at 9:08 amYes, after 7 years of blundering and misinformation (to put it mildly) liberals are filled with a lot of anger. That is because we are patriots to the US Constitution, while republicans are patriots only to the Flag. The former is the heart and soul of America, the latter is merely a symbol. Torture is torture and it will set us back in the WOT. The Bush policy of fighting the WOT is to take the eye off the ball (OBL) and embroil us in pointless war. If GWB had used the goodwill of the world after 9/11, we may have been nearing the end of this war. Why has the world turned against us? Torture is not an American value. The real question is how has GWB aided in the coming New Cold War. How much has his inane rhetoric polarized the Soviets? You think terrorism is bad now? It can get a lot worse!!! We have no right to tell China and Russia about human rights when we don’t follow these guidelines ourselves. Conservatives may buy into the propaganda but they shouldn’t expect the world to.
November 3rd, 2007 at 6:19 pmShould have clarified that for ya, eh Lora? I’m opposed to the torture of all kinds of animals, as well as terrorists who seem more like animals than people. Better? ;)
Comment by upright left
Actually I think you have been doing a disservice to animals, ul. Most carnivores kill only for food, while certain vile human beings kill for all sorts of nefarious reasons. “Monsters” would be a better term for describing terrorists.
November 3rd, 2007 at 9:16 pm