Rep. Hunter Urges Bush To ‘Fire Those Recalcitrant State Dept. Personnel’ Who Refuse To Go To Iraq
Rep. Hunter Urges Bush To ‘Fire Those Recalcitrant State Dept. Personnel’ Who Refuse To Go To Iraq
The State Department has created turmoil and consternation within the agency over its plan to resolve staff shortages in Iraq by forcing foreign service officers to accept one-year postings in Baghdad. Under the order, 200 to 300 diplomats have been identified as “prime candidates” to fill 48 vacancies that will open next year at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. If those positions aren’t filled, the department will force diplomats to serve in the war zone.
Not since the Vietnam War have diplomats been forced to serve abroad against their will. At a recent townhall meeting in the State Department, Jack Crotty, a 36-year member of the foreign service, called the forced deployment a “potential death sentence.”
Yesterday on the House floor, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) angrily attacked those diplomats who have expressed concern about serving in Iraq. Hunter said he had personally urged President Bush to fire the diplomats for speaking out:
I’ve recommended to the President today that we do this — that we fire those recalcitrant State Department personnel who say it’s too dangerous for them to go back to Baghdad. They want another assignment — let them leave the service.
Watch it:
Hunter said the foreign service officers should be replaced with soldiers who have been wounded in Iraq. “Let’s go down to Walter Reed hospital and Bethesda hospital, and let’s recruit,” he said.
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Fire the reluctant diplomats? And who is going to replace them? The House of Bush is turning into a haunted mansion.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:07 amReplace them with Blackwater contractors!
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:08 amImprison them for treason!
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 amWe certainly have a skewed few of what diplomatic efforts are, don’t we?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 amForeign service pesonnel’s new motto:
HELL NO, WE WON’T GO!!!
Not just for draftees anymore. snark
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 amHow about you doing it Duncan?
“No!”, you say, “it would be a death sentence”. Mmmm, thought so.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 amYeah, lets send the people back who know what it’s like to be shot or blown up. Never mind if they have any diplomatic skills. That’s never been an issue with this group before. Only that they are loyal to Bush above the constitution and the American people.
What a dolt.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 amif they need legal experts they should parachute Kilo in, he’s obviously got a keen grasp of the field of libel litigation and vicarious internet liability…
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 amwhy in god’s name would a wounded soldier want to go back to iraq? does rep. hunter say? this man is a maroon and he represents the end of the republican party as we know it. seriously the gop is going to split into a 3rd party religious funny farm. watch and see.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 amVote him OUT.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 amcome on guys, arent we in iraq for the struggle of our lives? will they at least sacrifice thier tax cuts for this valiant struggle?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 amAs Bugs Bunny once said – “Aaaahhhh, shut up!”
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 amHunter is dumber than a bag of hair.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 amUnder the order, 200 to 300 diplomats have been identified as “prime candidates†to fill 48 vacancies that will open next year at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.
I’d like to know three things:
1.) Who is on this list.
2.) Who drew up this list.
3.) What the (alleged) criteria are for inclusion in the list.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:23 amHunter is dumb enough to be a TP troll.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:23 amBut, but, but the surge worked, violence in Iraq is so yesterday. Didn’t these guys get the memo?
Does Hunter have any kids? Send them over to die for Bush’s ego.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 amWhen you’ve got a failing candidacy, how else do you out-wingnut the competion? By saying things crazier than they. It’s called The John Birch Strategy…
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 am2.) Who drew up this list.
3.) What the (alleged) criteria are for inclusion in the list.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 2, 2007 @ 11:23 am
White House officials drew up the list, and the chief criterion is insufficient loyalty to Bush.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 amComment by TripMaster Monkey — November 2, 2007 @ 11:23 am
you’d like to know? the right to know was abolished when bush stole the election.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 amA few remedies:
Congress can try to pass a bill prohibiting civilian employees being ordered against their will to go to unsafe locations.
The democratic presidential candidates can oppose this edict from the State Department and announce that any employee who gets fired because they refused to go WILL be rehired and their seniority reinstated January 20, 2009, 12:01 p.m. (PS I think they should offer that opportunity to every U.S. employee who had to quit because of opposing Bush’s policies)
The State Dept. employees at risk of being ordered to go to Iraq can go out on medical leave (like Trent Wisecup) due to mental and emotional distress. They can get treatment to come to terms with the fact that the country they love and have worked so hard for believes they should be put in harm’s way for no good reason.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 amDoes Hunter have any kids? Send them over to die for Bush’s ego.
Comment by nanlichi
He’s got a son over there now. Who is probably one of the safest people in Iraq. Wouldn’t want another John McCain, now would we?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 am“Under the order, 200 to 300 diplomats have been identified as “prime candidates†to fill 48 vacancies that will open next year at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.”
Makes you wonder how they’ve been “identified.” Wonder if it has anything to do with political affiliation?
Nah, this Administration would never do anything that petty. Right?
I bet if we had an independent neutral media, someone would try to investigate what makes someone designated a prime candidate. Yeah, that would be sweet.
Oh, and zooey? Don’t dis hair like that. Or bags, for that matter.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 amI’d like to know three things:
1.) Who is on this list.
2.) Who drew up this list.
3.) What the (alleged) criteria are for inclusion in the list.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 2, 2007 @ 11:23 am
1) All diplomats that have a hint of the democrat party in them.
2) RNC
3) See 1 above
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 amHey, great idea, Rep. Hunter!
Why don’t you go to Iraq, thereby setting a great example for them to follow? Off you go. Why are you not there yet?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 am>I’d like to know three things:
add a 4th.. the political affiliation of the picks.
> White House officials drew up the list,
i.e. the list was immaculately conceived, just like the list of attorneys to be fired.
>and the chief criterion is insufficient loyalty to Bush.
I thought this at first, but then.. I wondered. would anti-bushies really be put in positions where they would be allowed to represent america in foreign countries? maybe…
personally, i think these are just republicans who realize that the whole “everything in iraq is coming up roses” thing is just more propaganda..
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 amThe thing is, when you join the Foreign Service, you agree to be posted anywhere the government feels you would be most useful. That’s part of the job.
The FS officers who resigned at the beginning of the Iraq invasion — and there were a bunch — had the right idea. The ones who stayed and now continue to represent the Bush Administration don’t really have much to complain about.
Perhaps it’s taking the threat of personal danger to make them stop being “good Germans”.
Besides, if we are Winning the War — as all right-minded people agree we are — they should not be in any real danger while serving in Iraq. :)
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 amiraqs legislature is at a COMPLETE standstill, maybe we can draft some american legislators to spend some time in iraq and help prod along the democratic process our soldiers are dying for..
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 ami dare mr. hunter to go ‘recruit’ down at walter reed.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 amOh, and zooey? Don’t dis hair like that. Or bags, for that matter.
Comment by slappy magoo — November 2, 2007 @ 11:26 am
My bad. So sorry. :(
My most heartfelt and sincere apologies to hair and bags.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 amI won’t do it again.
I don’t know for sure but that sounds very close to retaliation, Which is prohibited under Fed. Law, isn’t it?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 amState Department, Jack Crotty, a 36-year member of the foreign service, called the forced deployment a “potential death sentence.â€
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many US diplomats have died in Iraq?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 amHow many wounded veterans down at Walter Reed speak fluent Arabic?
How many have a politico-economic knowledge of the region?
How many want to go back.
My guess is very few, Duncan. Very few.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 amSend that gigantic assh*le Duncan to Iraq.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 amJust out of curiosity, does anyone know how many US diplomats have died in Iraq?
Comment by Keltoi
None. But the same can’t be said of Iraqis who accidently got in the way of a Blackwater convoy.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 amHe wants to go to Walter Reed and “recruit”? What makes him think soldiers who were wounded in Iraq want to go back there in any capacity?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 amOh, that’s right. He’s a nutjob.
I double-dog dare Hunter to go to Walter Reed and Bethesda to “recruit”
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 amSince he’s so gung ho with the lives of others let’s send him. what a jackass.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 amI hate the smell of chicken hawks in the morning.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 amJust out of curiosity, does anyone know how many US diplomats have died in Iraq?
Comment by Keltoi
#
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-05-01-diplomats-stress_N.htm
“More than 1,400 State Department employees have served in Iraq since 2003. Three have been killed there.”
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 am“Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.â€
Adolf Hitler quote
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 amAlso agree that only three on the diplomatic staff have been killed. The real problem lies in the fact that those joining the service do agree to such postings. The loyal opposition left the department (to a large degree) after the Iraq invasion. The state department had to make things worse by letting the news leak to the press before those on the list were notified. The odds of death are not very great. It is interesting to see how many of these Bush supporters change their tune when their skin is in the game.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:55 amWhat the (alleged) criteria are for inclusion in the list.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
A diploma from Regent University.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 am“More than 1,400 State Department employees have served in Iraq since 2003. Three have been killed there.â€
Comment by Chris L — November 2, 2007 @ 11:49 am
Hmmm…so I guess you could say a posting to Iraq is a .002 potential death sentence for diplomats?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 amWasn’t the last election in Iraq, like, 2 years ago? When are they going to have another parliamentary/presidential election over there?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 amDoesn’t the State Department have a good deal of Intel on what’s happening in Iraq? Don’t they get daily reports on the various zones where their personnel are based? The State Department has offices all over the world, in every third world sh!thole you can name, and in a few that you can’t. Why would they be so frightened of going to Iraq? Oh, and yes, there is just a smidgen of snarkiness in that last statement.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:59 amWhat a brilliant idea. We have scores of diplomats there who don’t speak Arabic, so why not replace them with soldiers who have no diplomatic training?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:01 pmHmmm…so I guess you could say a posting to Iraq is a .002 potential death sentence for diplomats?
Comment by Keltoi — November 2, 2007 @ 11:58 am
#
And you know that they know this. They get daily reports from Iraq. And we still can’t get them to go. Why do you think that is?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:01 pm“Hunter is a Vietnam vet (airborne and Rangers) and his Marine son has served two tours in Iraq.”
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal
As one of the safest marines in a war zone… I’d be very surprised if young Hunter was ever in any real danger – it’s all about getting enough time “in country” to get the military cred for a run for his fathers seat. Too bad he’s running against a wounded former navy seal, who’s spent more time in Iraq than he.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pm“Hmmm…so I guess you could say a posting to Iraq is a .002 potential death sentence for diplomats?
Comment by Keltoi — November 2, 2007″
those are awesome odds. you should totally go.
(pay no attention to the guy who said, “Incoming is coming in every day, rockets are hitting the Green Zone.â€)
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pmI’m quite sure we could find 48 legislators who would gladly serve as foreign service officers in Iraq, since they believe in the cause so strongly. The first to go, of course, should be Rep. Hunter. I nominate my pathetic representative, Connie Mack II (R-Florida). Perhaps it should be evenly divided among House and Senate? 24 legislators from each. Since age isn’t an issue with the diplomatic service, I also nominate Joe Liebermann.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:03 pmWhy, oh why, oh why or why are there no hecklers allowed in the audience when a dunce such as Hunter says stupid shit?
The military personnel at Walter Reed would like to continue their service because that would mean that they hadn’t got blown up in an ill-conceived war in the first place.
What I have heard them say is that treatment at Walter Reed sucks.
Hunter sucks!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by impeachcheneythenbush — November 2, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
#
I nominate Rep. Chris Cannon and Sen. Orrin Hatch from Utah.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:04 pm“I nominate Rep. Chris Cannon and Sen. Orrin Hatch from Utah.”
Comment by Chris L
How about ‘ol “cheap rugs?”
I would think he’d love the opportunity.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmServe your country, only if you want to.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pmthose are awesome odds. you should totally go.
Comment by cha cha cha — November 2, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Completely predictable response. No one forced these people to join the Foreign Service. No one forces them to stay in the FS. Were I to join the Foreign Service, I would “totally” go. Dude.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pm>Do your homework before spouting off.
I’m just speculating but he may have been referring to the diplomats who didnt want to go, not hunter himself.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:11 pmI have no way of knowing how to measure this statistic, but could you find any group of 1400 Americans in any occupation whether at home or abroad who didn’t have three members of their group die over a 4 plus year period? What is the rate for police? Truck drivers? It just doesn’t seem like a very valid complaint for these guys to be making. If we can’t find enough who volunteer to go, what are we supposed to do? Not staff the embassy in Baghdad?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:12 pmComment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
tap, tap, tap… larry, is that you?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:12 pm“I would “totally†go. Dude.
Comment by Keltoi — November 2, 2007″
hope you don’t get tased, “bro”.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:12 pmNot staff the embassy in Baghdad?
Comment by Keltoi — November 2, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
good idea!
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:13 pmBecause even dem pols are getting tired of watching twits from CodeTwink and MorOn.org disrupt official proceedings.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
former writer for “the 1/2 hour news hour”.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:17 pm(will season one box set be available in time for x-mas?)
Not staff the embassy in Baghdad?
Comment by Keltoi — November 2, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Sounds like the U.S. is off to a good start by not building the embassy in Baghdad… well, not building it very efficiently, or cost effectively. No worries, that’s the problem of your children/grandchildren. I’m sure they’ll appreciate paying for it.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmSshhhhhh….no, I’m Gover…I mean ex-governor McGreevy. Meet me in Branchburg, they have a GREAT truckstop there.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
but larry, you were the only one busted in a toilet (new neo-con think tank?)
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 pm“It just doesn’t seem like a very valid complaint for these guys to be making.”
totally. forget about that “Twenty decapitated bodies have been found dumped close to a police station near Baquba” crap. not valid at all. dude.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmpoor larry…
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmAnd now for something really stupid –
“ANY Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal”
Stupid is as Stupid Posts
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmlet’s see “air america” still on the air…
“1/2 hour news hour” flopped.
(which is why you’re out of work and can spend your day tap, tap, tapping away, right?)
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmSend all the neocon idiots to Iraq.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pm“ANY Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Palâ€
Comment by Buckie Boy — November 2, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
hey dude, it’s gotta be hard to balance a laptop and e-mail while sitting on a toilet in a public rest room. give the neo-con perv a break, would ya?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:27 pm“You must have been right there next to his son the whole time to know all of this? Or is it just random stupid speculation to feed your hate?
Anyhoo, your reasoning is going to go against the grain of your liberal brethren here; if young Marine Hunter was never in any real danger it shouldn’t be a problem for diplomats to accept a non-combat posting to Iraq.”
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal
Common sense dictates that a congressman’s son not be put in possibly dangerous situations, because if he were captured he would be a huge propaganda tool (and political liability to Bush). Would you like to see a captured congressman’s son waterboarded by his captors on a video released to the press? Or hear his preadings for release? No. The military would’t allow it.
Remember John McCain?
Apparently not.
Thanks for showing your ignorance.
These diplomats would’t be half the prize of a sitting congressman’s son.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 pmIt just doesn’t seem like a very valid complaint for these guys to be making.
Comment by Keltoi — November 2, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
It’s very valid not to put yourself in harm’s way at the whim of someone proven to be as insane as Bush/Cheney. God knows what they’ll do next. Mind you, I wouldn’t be working for them in the U.S. either so there is a ring of hypocrisy there… ok to work for madmen in the U.S. but not in Iraq.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:29 pmhere, i fixed it:
totally. forget about that “A bicyle bomber killed 28 policemen near Baquba†crap. not valid at all. dude.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:29 pm“BAGHDAD, June 30 (Reuters) – Media reports attributed to Iraqi police of 20 decapitated bodies found south of Baghdad this week were untrue and may have been planted by insurgents to provoke revenge attacks, the U.S. military said on Saturday.â€
The BBC has done the same.
So no, not valid at all.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
wow, with keen insight like that you should be a diplomat in bagdad! when are you leaving? your friend(s) want to give you a “going away” party.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:30 pmIt started out mean, and ended up making no sense.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:32 pmI could almost agree with Hunter to begin with: After 6 years of Republican rule, these are almost certainly Republican loyslists we’re talking about. The fact that they’re complaining is highly interesting, especially when ‘all right-thinking people’ think that we’re winning the war and violence is going down. They buttered their bread, let ‘em sleep in it.
But the end is one of those things that may have sounded OK in Hunter’s indignant wingnut brain, but came out as insane. Pull wounded soldiers out of their hospital beds and send them back to Iraq? Only this time as an unarmed diplomat?
well, they’d get a raise in pay, right?
Nearest as I can figure, I think Hunter wanted to get a reference to ‘wounded Veterans’ and ‘Walter Reed hospita;’ in there somehow, and wasn’t worried that it hung together logically.
I mean, why start now?
(which is why you’re out of work and can spend your day tap, tap, tapping away, right?)
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
What is it you think you’re doing? And how is it you know that everyone isn’t doing it in a similar fashion? i.e. from work.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmAnd to continue, these diplomats wouldn’t be tasked to go on combat missions, making them several orders of magnitude safer than a marine congressman’s son, on the (hypothetical) front line of combat.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmWhat is it you think you’re doing? And how is it you know that everyone isn’t doing it in a similar fashion? i.e. from work.
Comment by Dave C — November 2, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
well, we know he’s not working at the state dept.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 pmhere, i fixed it:
totally. forget about that “A bicyle bomber killed 28 policemen near Baquba†crap. not valid at all. dude.
Comment by cha cha cha — November 2, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
No one ever said Iraq was not a violent and dangerous place. It just doesn’t happen to be all that dangerous for US diplomats. This guy saying a posting to Iraq is a potential death sentence is hyperbole at the mortality rate they are experiencing. That is my point.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:39 pmAs one of the safest marines in a war zone… I’d be very surprised if young Hunter was ever in any real danger
Comment by barfly
You must have been right there next to his son the whole time to know all of this? Or is it just random stupid speculation to feed your hate?
Anyhoo, your reasoning is going to go against the grain of your liberal brethren here; if young Marine Hunter was never in any real danger it shouldn’t be a problem for diplomats to accept a non-combat posting to Iraq.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal
Barfly, you won’t be surprised to learn that Duncan Hunter’s son is assigned to a desk job at a procurement office in Kuwait.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 pmcoming in late… it occurs to me that, considering the circumstances and the tone and the subject matter, duncan hunter should be referred to as
a presidential candidate… because people need to know that crazy people can run for president also…
wow… that guy needs to be taken away…
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 pm.
So Dave, you planning on reposting to target the right person?
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
back from bagdad already?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 pm“It just doesn’t happen to be all that dangerous for US diplomats.”
and a bunch of diplomats who might actually have to go to iraq disagree with you, some guy who’s only posting about it on a blog. which opinion seems more ‘valid’? that is my point.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:43 pm>So no, not valid at all.
riiight… now your pointing to isolated false reports of murder to try and
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmpretend like mass murder/exectutions dont happen on a regular basis in iraq.
“No one ever said Iraq was not a violent and dangerous place.”
except for john mccain. and lindsey graham. and mike pence. etc.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:44 pm“Barfly, you won’t be surprised to learn that Duncan Hunter’s son is assigned to a desk job at a procurement office in Kuwait.”
uh-oh, there’s a troll out there with egg on his face.
(or is it egg…?)
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:45 pmHeh, forgot to wind up your brain today? I was answering this post:
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Apparently. Ha. The point has been made. Anyone who denigrates someone for wasting their time on boards like this should check out their own involvement.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:45 pmif your just going by pure statistics, the chance of you being killed by a terrorist is lower than being killed by lightning or slipping in the bathtub. so why are we so afraid of terrorists? could the psychology of the iraqi factor be an issue? could the fact that even though there arent alot of diplomats killed, the lengths they have to go through to avoid being killed (riding in at breakneck speed in armorder convoys, flying in planes than have to dip and jerk to avoid anti-aircraft fire) is a nervewracking experinece they dont want to deal with on a daily basis…?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmMethinks recruitment for diplomatic posts in Iraq should begin in the House and Senate. Let’s do conscription of them without regard for age, gender, race, seniority, party affiliation, etc. Just pick the illustrious, honorable names out of a hat, pack them up and ship them out.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmand a bunch of diplomats who might actually have to go to iraq disagree with you, some guy who’s only posting about it on a blog. which opinion seems more ‘valid’? that is my point.
Comment by cha cha cha — November 2, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
As I said 60 posts ago, they volunteered to join the Foreign Service. They are entitled to their opinion, but not to retroactively set the parameters of the service they chose to join. Every job has conditions. If they don’t like the terms of their employment they can find another job.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pmDespicable…. assign Hunter to the Osama-search, he sounds like a badazz…
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pmNo, just pointing to the fact that libs want to run from Iraq because it doesnt resemble downtown San Francisco yet.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
your comments are getting awkward and desperate. but they are funnier!
try another.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pm>just pointing to the fact that libs want to run from Iraq
just pointing out that riech-wingers want to stay in iraq so people like this can come into power democratically
http://www.islamicmediacity.com/cms_files/news_images/1190391250.jpg
the chances of iraq ever democraticaly transforming into any place in american is slim to none, more likely iran and palestine are models of what it will become. how is democracy in palestine settling with you?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pm“As I said 60 posts ago, they volunteered to join the Foreign Service. They are entitled to their opinion, but not to retroactively set the parameters of the service they chose to join. Every job has conditions. If they don’t like the terms of their employment they can find another job.”
and perhaps you don’t realize that a career in foreign service is a little different than a summer job or an internship.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmIs that Balut all over his face?
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
C-
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:54 pmlacks verve and wit. try again.
Good luck Iraqis, we just dont think you have the ability or the sense to be anything more than a giant Palestinian-type craphole.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
“we”?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmthe chances of iraq ever democraticaly transforming into any place in american is slim to none,
Comment by Chocolate Jesus
Yes, the Bush administration has come to that same conclusion. That is why they have switched to their back up plan, which is to transform America into a place like Iraq.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmand perhaps you don’t realize that a career in foreign service is a little different than a summer job or an internship.
Comment by cha cha cha — November 2, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
I have held the same profession for 18 years. When I decide I don’t want to fufil the conditions of that job, my employer has the right to compel me to fufil those conditions, or if I refuse, to fire me. I like my job, I know what is expected and required of me, I do those things so I can keep my job.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmNaw, you are just having trouble keeping up.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
“Naw”?
not a good word choice… have you given up trying?
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 pm>Good luck Iraqis, we just dont think you have the ability or the sense to >be anything more than a giant Palestinian-type craphole.
Right.. how arrogant of you…any government you dont approve of is a “craphole”. For your information, palestine is a craphole because its under occupation, not because it has an islamic government. Is IRan a craphole too? I noticed you selectively avoided discussing Iran , you know, the country that the guys you helped democratically put into power in IRaq are buddying up with? What im getting at, oh dim one, is that the chance of a democratic Iraqi government transforming into anything but an islamic theocracy is nil. perphaps you can tell me how well secular parties have been faring in the recent Iraqi elections? Your the one that assumes that any form of goverment we dont like is inferior to ours. None of the rest of us are that arrogant.
Why do you think we used to be buddies with Saddam? Because Iraqis would “do the right thing” and not be influenced by Iran if Saddam wasnt in power?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:02 pm“When I decide I don’t want to fufil the conditions of that job, my employer has the right to compel me to fufil those conditions, or if I refuse, to fire me.”
that’s great if you want to ignore everything that has gone on and is currently going on in iraq. and, again, the diplomats who would be affected by this disagree with you, which is a shame really, since you—some guy posting comments on a blog—know better.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pmow dont get caught up on the big words again, take your time.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
“dont”?
take your time s-p-e-l-l-i-n-g next time.
eh?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm“solicit other male passengers heading for the bathroom.”
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal
Notice how he projects what he would like to be doing. Nice to see you are a true Gross Old Pervert.
Buck Fush
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 pmYes, the Bush administration has come to that same conclusion. That is why they have switched to their back up plan, which is to transform America into a place like Iraq.
Comment by shoeless — November 2, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Actually, much more like a place like the old Soviet Union (now in resurgence) or China or Third Reich Germany.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 pmThird Reich Germany.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — November 2, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
KAP, your thoughts?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:09 pmNice to see you are a true Gross Old Pervert.
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy — November 2, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
i thought KAP was karen hughes just killing time till the moving truck arrived… i could be wrong.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmComment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
Your moniker suggests a joke on Kucinich saying he saw a UFO. That’s funny. He didn’t know what it was so I guess it would be unidentified. I suppose Bush hearing god is ok with you though! LOL
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:18 pmIts the left who advocates running from Iraq because the Iraqis ‘are just going to have an islamic theocracy anyway’ and arent worth the trouble.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
can’t build a secular democracy abroad while you’re busy destroying here at home.
“feckless”? put down the thesaurus until you can learn to use it properly.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 pmComment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
There are more holes in your theories than the guy’s face Cheney shot. This administration went dumb, quick and blind into Iraq. Fu@ked everything up, disbanded the military that is now the core of the insurgency, didn’t use the general population as a work force, lost billions in no bid contracts, didn’t have near enough interpretors to communicate to the public and so much more.
Bush made Iraq a complete mess and now you want to blindly stay without any long term plan for a political solution. Pack your bags, get on a plane to Iraq and help out if you think there’s a chance. The thinking people of this country see Iraq for the clusterfu@k it is.
You pack a whole lot of dumb into tiny spaces.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:22 pm“eh�
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
sorry karen. enjoy your retirement, eh?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:24 pmGood try. If I hear a strange sound or see something odd in the dark I dont refer to it as a UFO.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
no, as conservative you refer to it as a “date” or a “trick” or a “john”.
eh?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:29 pmMaybe Mr. Donut can go in their place? – When he’s convicted, he’ll be even more attractive to the administration – they like their lackies without dint of conscience.
KAP is some new troll we have? How very droll and boorish.
The righty mind is like a pinched earthworm, forever twising and issuing forth slime, incapable of anything else.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 pmComment by cha cha cha — November 2, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Meh. The argument is circular and tapped out. See ya on another thread.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:33 pmNext victim on the list, the White House gardener.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
somebody trying to steal your job? can’t be, you’re the best manure spreader they have!
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Where is it proven that Karen Hughes was forced out? Sounded more like she saw the window for her jumping ship was shrinking and she got out while she could. Now there’s someone that can be called feckless. Just another one in a long line of Bush toadies that see the end of their meal ticket.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:34 pm…countdown to KAP declaring him.her.self a “libertarian” starts now…
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:38 pmOdd that you know all the terms, well not so odd.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
not all. i forgot republican congressman.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:39 pm…countdown to KAP declaring him.her.self a “libertarian†starts now…
Comment by tombaker — November 2, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
as soon as he learns to s-p-e-l-l it.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmdubbie’s boat sure has a lot of rats, don’t it? that might be some kind of record for righties to boast about.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmKAP?… KAP?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pmAmend? How about getting shown this administration is a failure. When Bush’ closest allies jump ship it’s over.
I see Bush hunched over with a couple of marbles in his hand saying “it was the strawberries”…
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:44 pmdubbie’s boat sure has a lot of rats, don’t it? that might be some kind of record for righties to boast about.
Comment by tombaker
They all have to get out well before January 2008. It doesn’t look good when Bush pardons people who still work at the White House.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:45 pmPlease explain to me, the nutcase congressman said that the fired employees should be replaced by wounded soldiers.
So are we saying that our diplomacy truly is the point of a gun ?
That is, how are soldiers trained in subtle diplomacy ? The two are totally different skill sets. Which MOS is named diplomacy ?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:50 pmAnd pushing the blame on someone who reports the failures of this administration rather than the administration taking responsibility for it’s own dissmal record is something you would want?
KAP, the days of not being questioned are over. Bush is the worst president this country has ever seen.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:50 pmthings we know about KAP:
1) is a strong conservative.
2) is a girl.
3) is attracted to “strange sounds and odd things in the dark”
there’s more but these are the main points. KAP, your thoughts?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmKAP, the days of not being questioned are over. Bush is the worst president this country has ever seen.
Comment by hellinabucket — November 2, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
yeah but KAP’s the best troll!
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 pmMore proof why Duncan Hunter is not qualified to be president of the US. Just another torture, death and deficit loving Republican.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:57 pmOops… got the name wrong. Either way, Duncan Hunter is not qualified to represent Americans.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:59 pmMore proof why Duncan Hunter is not qualified to be president of the US. Just another torture, death and deficit loving Republican.
Comment by Coffins Draped with a Flag — November 2, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
“RUN DUNCY, RUN!”
bumper sticker on KAP’s car.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pmthings we know about KAP:
1) is a strong conservative.
2) is a girl.
3) is attracted to “strange sounds and odd things in the darkâ€
there’s more but these are the main points. KAP, your thoughts?
Comment by joe cantwell
I think she indicated that she is a Libertarian as well. Of course, all of the wingnuts claim to be Libertarians these days. Makes you wonder how all of those Republicans got into office.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by joe cantwell — November 2, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Yeah, KAP is trollicious
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmHey TP can you do a better job explaining why they’re refusing to go? The post leaves unchallenged the conservative assertion that they’re afraid. What is happening here is more about a how a free society can eventually right itself, because its people start refusing to follow an unjust and futile path. In a free society (whether it’s what we’re trying to preserve in the US or claim we’re trying to build in Iraq) a leader can only truly project power by earning the trust of the people. So it’s no surprise that the Bushies are all about controlling through loyalty, discipline, rewards and punishments. It’s a way to lead that has showed its ugly head repeatedly in history, but it’s not what America’s about.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 pm.
Dunkin’ Hunter should serve session in the Green zone. In fact, ALL of Congress could learn a taste of what they continue to serve the Iraqis and hold Congress over in America’s Emerald City.
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November 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmKaren Hughes, a household name throughout America.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Yes, known far and wide as a traitor, and now a coward, joining the rest of the Republican rabble. Running away from the job that was beyond her meager skills, and letting the knuckle-draggers of the right blame liberals for driving her out. She’s the same brand of coward as the “diplomats” who don’t want to go to iraq, more coward Republicans. No wonder Bush can’t win a war or capture a terrorist leader.
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:05 pmKaren Hughes, a household name throughout America.
Comment by Kucinich’s Alien Pal — November 2, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
more of a household cleaning product. like “mr. toilet”.
eh?
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:44 pmIf State Department officials have supported the Iraq war, then they have nothing to stand on but cowardice. If they’ve opposed the war continuously, then they at least have a moral stand, though it seems like their only option then would still be to resign. Too bad, tough!
November 2nd, 2007 at 7:18 pmI think she indicated that she is a Libertarian as well. Of course, all of the wingnuts claim to be Libertarians these days. Makes you wonder how all of those Republicans got into office.
Comment by shoeless — November 2, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
They were voted in by Libertarians who had to choose between the less-than-desirable Repub and the near-communist libbie loons the Dems keep offering. ;)
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:24 pm