Comments on: Cheney’s ‘close’ ally Musharraf declares martial law. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:34:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ohg Rea Tone http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-3/#comment-4144704 Ohg Rea Tone Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:31:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144704 Dick Cheney deserves his first name, the last politician with the Tricky-Dick moniker was run out of office by a Responsible Congress. Ohg. http://thefireside.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/dick-cheney-misunderestimating-power/ Dick Cheney deserves his first name, the last politician with the Tricky-Dick moniker was run out of office by a Responsible Congress.
Ohg.
http://thefireside.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/dick-cheney-misunderestimating-power/

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-3/#comment-4144583 Lefty Patriot Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:32:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144583 As it turns out, the Santiago fire and at least one other was caused by arson. Comment by TCDon — November 4, 2007 @ 11:29 am As it turns out, you're a pthological liar, and this just proves it. Proof of the ineffectiveness of home-schooling, except to turn morons into wingnuts. As it turns out, the Santiago fire and at least one other was caused by arson.

Comment by TCDon — November 4, 2007 @ 11:29 am

As it turns out, you’re a pthological liar, and this just proves it. Proof of the ineffectiveness of home-schooling, except to turn morons into wingnuts.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-3/#comment-4144578 dbadass Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:25:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144578 If Fred Thompson is the R-nominee, they will have a character in the Bush mold: a tin-plated conservative, who’ll say anything to win. Comment by barfly — November 4, 2007 @ 1:14 pm Although I agree, I can not really see him becoming the nominee. He seems to have the lethargy of the a Bob Dole candidacy. Sort of a three toed sloth on his day off sort of deal If Fred Thompson is the R-nominee, they will have a character in the Bush mold: a tin-plated conservative, who’ll say anything to win.

Comment by barfly — November 4, 2007 @ 1:14 pm

Although I agree, I can not really see him becoming the nominee. He seems to have the lethargy of the a Bob Dole candidacy. Sort of a three toed sloth on his day off sort of deal

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-3/#comment-4144567 barfly Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:15:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144567 Sorry for the ital., something's on the fritz; either my comp, or TP. Sorry for the ital., something’s on the fritz; either my comp, or TP.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-3/#comment-4144566 barfly Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:14:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144566 Was just listening to Fred Thompson on Meet the Press as he dodged making any concrete assertions regarding our next steps with Musharrif, now that he's declared martial law. Aside from saying "it's a difficult decision," he offered no policy changes, nor showed any independence from the administration's boilerplate. When pressed about the level of US funding going to Pakistan, he tried to fall back on "Well, Tim, we shouldn't interfere with another <i> internal affairs,..." demonstrating that while inable to think of (or espouse), any tangible solutions, he could remain on- (administration) message. His pronouncements regarding the way forward in Iraq were similarly cliche'd, circa about 2005. Although he tried to spice it up with a little "O'Hanlon Shit-Sandwich Spread," by implying that after O'Hanlon's recent dog-and-phony show-trip to Iraq, there is now some sort of intellectual concensus about the situation vis-a-vis Beltway Insiders and Iraqmire, he relied on anecdotal stats provided by Bushnaut backgrounders - meaning the data was old, and cherry-picked. If Fred Thompson is the R-nominee, they will have a character in the Bush mold: a tin-plated conservative, who'll say anything to win.</i> Was just listening to Fred Thompson on Meet the Press as he dodged making any concrete assertions regarding our next steps with Musharrif, now that he’s declared martial law. Aside from saying “it’s a difficult decision,” he offered no policy changes, nor showed any independence from the administration’s boilerplate. When pressed about the level of US funding going to Pakistan, he tried to fall back on “Well, Tim, we shouldn’t interfere with another internal affairs,…” demonstrating that while inable to think of (or espouse), any tangible solutions, he could remain on- (administration) message. His pronouncements regarding the way forward in Iraq were similarly cliche’d, circa about 2005. Although he tried to spice it up with a little “O’Hanlon Shit-Sandwich Spread,” by implying that after O’Hanlon’s recent dog-and-phony show-trip to Iraq, there is now some sort of intellectual concensus about the situation vis-a-vis Beltway Insiders and Iraqmire, he relied on anecdotal stats provided by Bushnaut backgrounders – meaning the data was old, and cherry-picked. If Fred Thompson is the R-nominee, they will have a character in the Bush mold: a tin-plated conservative, who’ll say anything to win.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-3/#comment-4144539 Marie Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:44:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144539 There is an interesting and chilling article by Naomi Wolf in the Guardian, "Fascist America, in 10 easy steps." Writtten in April of this year. I read it this morning - I am sick. I believe it is from her book,"The End of America: A Letter of Warning." What is happening now in Pakistan can happen here - the groundwork is done; it's a matter of time with Bush//Cheney. There is an interesting and chilling article by Naomi Wolf in the Guardian, “Fascist America, in 10 easy steps.” Writtten in April of this year. I read it this morning – I am sick.
I believe it is from her book,”The End of America: A Letter of Warning.”
What is happening now in Pakistan can happen here – the groundwork is done; it’s a matter of time with Bush//Cheney.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-3/#comment-4144534 Marie Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:35:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144534 Is this a trial run for the US? Is this a trial run for the US?

]]> By: cha cha cha http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144476 cha cha cha Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:28:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144476 <em>"Pakistan police on Sunday began a roundup of 1,500 lawyers, judges, and political activists on a list of people to be arrested "</em> now all musharraf has to do is suspend habeas corpus and hold those 1,500 people indefinitely; then the transition to a "successful" bush-style "democracy" will be complete. feel the surge! “Pakistan police on Sunday began a roundup of 1,500 lawyers, judges, and political activists on a list of people to be arrested “

now all musharraf has to do is suspend habeas corpus and hold those 1,500 people indefinitely; then the transition to a “successful” bush-style “democracy” will be complete. feel the surge!

]]> By: cha cha cha http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144475 cha cha cha Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:26:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144475 <em>"Pakistan police on Sunday began a roundup of 1,500 lawyers, judges, and political activists on a list of people to be arrested "</em> now all musharraf has to do is suspend habeas corpus and hold those 1,500 people indefinitely; then the transition to a successful bush-style democracy will be complete. feel the surge! “Pakistan police on Sunday began a roundup of 1,500 lawyers, judges, and political activists on a list of people to be arrested “

now all musharraf has to do is suspend habeas corpus and hold those 1,500 people indefinitely; then the transition to a successful bush-style democracy will be complete. feel the surge!

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144470 dbadass Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:23:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144470 Will Chavez be assisting low income folks in the States with home heating oil again this year? That cracks me up while simultaneously helping those whom need it. Will Chavez be assisting low income folks in the States with home heating oil again this year? That cracks me up while simultaneously helping those whom need it.

]]> By: cha cha cha http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144465 cha cha cha Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:17:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144465 don't tase musharraf, bro! can't we all just get along, ignore all troubles in pakistan, and focus our attention on iran like we're supposed to? hey look over there: hugo chavez! don’t tase musharraf, bro!
can’t we all just get along, ignore all troubles in pakistan, and focus our attention on iran like we’re supposed to? hey look over there: hugo chavez!

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144460 Briseadh na Faire Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:01:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144460 <blockquote> <em>Mushareff’s actions fall under a legal gray area and certainly hasn’t gone as far as all you hysterics believe it has. Try taking a closer look at his who his decision affects instead of concentrating on the term “martial law”. Comment by Fletcher Morgantown — November 4, 2007 @ 11:07 am</em></blockquote> Ok, Fletcher, give us your legal opinion. What is the legal gray area you speak of? What is the law you cite? Who are the people his decision affects? Hint: Pakistan's Supreme Court Justices, political opponents and the media. If you're going to put forth some expertise in the law, you better be able to back it up, for you see, I am a lawyer, with some background in International Law.

Mushareff’s actions fall under a legal gray area and certainly hasn’t gone as far as all you hysterics believe it has.

Try taking a closer look at his who his decision affects instead of concentrating on the term “martial law”.

Comment by Fletcher Morgantown — November 4, 2007 @ 11:07 am

Ok, Fletcher, give us your legal opinion. What is the legal gray area you speak of? What is the law you cite?

Who are the people his decision affects? Hint: Pakistan’s Supreme Court Justices, political opponents and the media.

If you’re going to put forth some expertise in the law, you better be able to back it up, for you see, I am a lawyer, with some background in International Law.

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144459 Briseadh na Faire Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:57:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144459 I have concerns about the path Chavez is heading down. Hopefully he will stop short of becoming a dictator, for even a benevolent dictator is still a dictator. That said, Chavez is using his country's oil wealth to help the poorest of his citizens. America uses its wealth to help the richest of its citizens. I have concerns about the path Chavez is heading down. Hopefully he will stop short of becoming a dictator, for even a benevolent dictator is still a dictator.

That said, Chavez is using his country’s oil wealth to help the poorest of his citizens.

America uses its wealth to help the richest of its citizens.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144457 dbadass Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:49:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144457 TCDon, It is pronounced dbadass. Of course I am familiar with ELF and the Family so I will skip the research. I assume you are also familiar with innocent until proven guilty. As to the arson linked fires, I guess we will have to wait and see. Maybe we are talking about firefighters, They have been linked to multiple arsons as well. Will you be suprised if that turns out to be the case? TCDon,
It is pronounced dbadass. Of course I am familiar with ELF and the Family so I will skip the research. I assume you are also familiar with innocent until proven guilty. As to the arson linked fires, I guess we will have to wait and see. Maybe we are talking about firefighters, They have been linked to multiple arsons as well. Will you be suprised if that turns out to be the case?

]]> By: plunger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144452 plunger Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:31:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144452 OT (cyber-war). In a special Internet announcement in Arabic, picked up by counter-terror sources, Osama bin Laden’s followers announced Monday, Oct. 29, the launching of Electronic Jihad. On Sunday, Nov. 11, al Qaeda’s electronic experts will start attacking Western, Jewish, Israeli, Muslim apostate and Shiite Web sites. However, shortly after the first announcement, some of al Qaeda’s own Web sites went blank, apparently crashed by the American intelligence computer experts tracking them. The next day, Oct. 30, they were up again, claiming their Islamic fire walls were proof against infidel assault. The electronic war they have declared could cause considerable trouble on the world’s Internet.This could get interesting. http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4723 Comment by TCDon — November 4, 2007 @ 10:51 am there is no "OBL" Pure US Government psyops designed to set us up for the fact that they are fed up with too much truth telling, and will soon be shutting down the www to coincide with their imposition of martial law. OT (cyber-war). In a special Internet announcement in Arabic, picked up by counter-terror sources, Osama bin Laden’s followers announced Monday, Oct. 29, the launching of Electronic Jihad. On Sunday, Nov. 11, al Qaeda’s electronic experts will start attacking Western, Jewish, Israeli, Muslim apostate and Shiite Web sites. However, shortly after the first announcement, some of al Qaeda’s own Web sites went blank, apparently crashed by the American intelligence computer experts tracking them. The next day, Oct. 30, they were up again, claiming their Islamic fire walls were proof against infidel assault. The electronic war they have declared could cause considerable trouble on the world’s Internet.This could get interesting.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4723

Comment by TCDon — November 4, 2007 @ 10:51 am

there is no “OBL”

Pure US Government psyops designed to set us up for the fact that they are fed up with too much truth telling, and will soon be shutting down the www to coincide with their imposition of martial law.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144447 Lefty Patriot Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:27:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144447 TCDon and the other rightard lemmings can see all kinds of conspiracies except the one that has stolen our country from us. Proof that home-schooling is inferior. TCDon and the other rightard lemmings can see all kinds of conspiracies except the one that has stolen our country from us. Proof that home-schooling is inferior.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144444 dbadass Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:19:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144444 TCDon, How ya doing? Weren't you the one suggesting the CA fires were the work of ecoterrorists trying to make evidence for global climate disruption? How's that all working out for you? Sorry to be off topic but I hadn't seen you around sine a child, a downed powerline, and some construction workers had been the only confirmed causes to date. TCDon,
How ya doing? Weren’t you the one suggesting the CA fires were the work of ecoterrorists trying to make evidence for global climate disruption? How’s that all working out for you? Sorry to be off topic but I hadn’t seen you around sine a child, a downed powerline, and some construction workers had been the only confirmed causes to date.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144443 Lefty Patriot Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:17:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144443 Mushareff’s actions fall under a legal gray area and certainly hasn’t gone as far as all you hysterics believe it has. Try taking a closer look at his who his decision affects instead of concentrating on the term “martial law”. Comment by Fletcher Morgantown — November 4, 2007 @ 11:07 am bullshit. There is no legal "gray area" in this case, unless you're talking about a dictatorship, in which case, there is no law except what the tyrant wants. You have no idea what you're saying. Mushareff’s actions fall under a legal gray area and certainly hasn’t gone as far as all you hysterics believe it has.

Try taking a closer look at his who his decision affects instead of concentrating on the term “martial law”.

Comment by Fletcher Morgantown — November 4, 2007 @ 11:07 am

bullshit. There is no legal “gray area” in this case, unless you’re talking about a dictatorship, in which case, there is no law except what the tyrant wants. You have no idea what you’re saying.

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144439 tarazan Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:00:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144439 A journalist to Bush:"Did you talk to Musharraf since he declared 'marshal law"? Bush: "Indeed I did, I have learned a lot from him; he gave me a valuable experience ,as an ally, on how to start a 'marshal law'.." A journalist to Bush:”Did you talk to Musharraf since he declared ‘marshal law”?
Bush: “Indeed I did, I have learned a lot from him; he gave me a valuable experience ,as an ally, on how to start a ‘marshal law’..”

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/comment-page-2/#comment-4144437 Lefty Patriot Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:57:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/cheneys-close-ally-musharraf-declares-martial-law/#comment-4144437 OBL's followers, TCDon? You mean Bush and cheney? No surprise there. OBL’s followers, TCDon? You mean Bush and cheney? No surprise there.

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