Comments on: Retired JAGs On Waterboarding: ‘It Is Inhumane, It Is Torture, And It Is Illegal’

By: kassandrasduplex

kassandrasduplex — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:59:44 +0000

And who are the two so-called Democratic PROGRESSIVES who broke ranks with their fellow Democrats and VOTED for Mukasey?
Sen. Charles Shumer and Sen. Diane Feinstein.
In this instance they sure do look like Joe Lieberman types…
Odd how the most vocal proponents of war and or torture seem to be of a particular ethnic group.

By: kaybee

kaybee — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:36 +0000

Is waterboarding ok?

Questions to right wingers: Are there any waterboarding techniques that you would disapprove being used on our soldiers? If so, what are they?
If not, that’s understandable. You have no objections about the enemy taking such actions against our troops.

By: Krashkopf

Krashkopf — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:42:37 +0000

This makes me proud to be a former JAG (1986-1992). Honestly, during these days of “creeping fascism,” I sleep better at night knowing that JAG has a long history of standing up TO the civilian leadership and FOR the Constitution.

By: Ditch Mitch KY

Ditch Mitch KY — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:20:18 +0000

Thanks to these four courageous military officers for stating so clearly that water boarding is torture. Who ever would believe that in 2007, in a supposedly advanced nation, Water Boarding would be the subject of discussion or debate?

We should all hang our heads in shame.

By: shaun

shaun — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:21:45 +0000

i’m not surprised he has difficulty trying to get his head around what is torture and what isn’t – he probably is in the first stages of alzheimer’s….i mean,how old is this guy????…..cant they pick someone younger and more forward thinking?

By: sacopenapa

sacopenapa — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:01:02 +0000

If Mukasey is having trouble to figure out what the Geneva convention and International law stipulates on Torture/Waterboarding, he should go through a 5 hours waterboarding/interrogation USA style, against his will. Than, after the ‘waterboarding, the congress should ask him again if he thinks Waterboarding is Torture!

By: hterrya

hterrya — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:47:51 +0000

I was so pleased to see the four retired JAG’s saying what would be OBVIOUS to everyone but blind followers of the current, corrupt, criminal president and his nominee to replace the lying, criminal Gonzo.

So, I started reading the thread to get some ideas of what can be done to be SURE the opinions of the JAG’s gets wide notice and is impressed on the Senators, Democratic and Republican, so that Mukasey’s nomination is rejected, as it should be.

And what did I find? TONS of troll dung! Examples:

A troll who ignores pleas from progressives to shorten posts so that they do not dominate the thread, many times with OFF TOPIC material. The troll’s response to the pleas? Observe:

plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:44 pm – second longest post on thread
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:57 pm – third longest post on thread
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:05 pm – longest post on thread
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
plunger â€” November 3, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
This sums up plunger’s contribution:
Youâ€™re just a guy spamming a blog and burying everyones comments with articles you came across on the internet that you found interesting.
Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” November 3, 2007 @ 8:38 pm

Two trolls who come into this thread, and TOO MANY other threads, and simply regurgitate the current corrupt, criminal president’s talking points:

O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:06 pm …the United States does not torture.
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:09 pm …There is no law against waterboarding.
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:14 pm …We cannot use kid gloves in dealing with people who want us dead.
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
O. Bigfoot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:52 am

Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:10 pm …Since it doesnâ€™t cause physical harm, then it is not torture.
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Patriot â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
Patriot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:00 am
Patriot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:05 am
Patriot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:14 am
Patriot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Patriot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Patriot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:34 am

And sadly, I found progressives FEEDING the trolls, to the end that we get MORE troll dung.
Please stop feeding the trolls and report them for abuse!

Thank you!

NOTE: I now realize that in listing the troll posts so they can be reported for abuse, I now may have taken the “longest post” title from plunger. SORRY!

By: rockyroad

rockyroad — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:27:36 +0000

Bottom line: â€˜It Is Inhumane, It Is Torture, And It Is Illegalâ€™

Waterboarding undermines the safety of our troops, it undermines the USA as a benevolent superpower.

We cannot be a moral leader when we act immorally.

When other countries spit on us, don’t be insulted, what’s a little water

By: Leftside Annie

Leftside Annie — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:47:34 +0000

Yet Graham has now sold out his principles in return for campaign assistance from President Bush.

What…??? A Republican selling out his principles?

What a surprise. NOT. Republicans would sell their children as sex slaves if they thought it would bring them more power.

By: katy

katy — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:41:42 +0000

well, imagine that… i NEVER get a reply from the bigfool…
even when i address it by the name bigfoot…

still, i’d like to know:
bigfool, parrot – did you come here thinking that you would convince anyone that torture is OK? â€¦ is that your mission?â€¦
Comment by katy â€” November 3, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
…

i’m not counting on an answer…
…

By: Lefty Patriot

Lefty Patriot — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:31:10 +0000

your sensible and dignified presensce is needed in these desperate times.

Comment by Fletcher Morgantown â€” November 4, 2007 @ 11:12 am

Your clown Bush took care of that problem several years ago. Never has he said or done a sensible or dignified thing, never. Code Pink is the model of decorum, compared to the retard in the White House. Come back when the Deserter-In-Chief puts a coherent Engish sentence together, or when he shows the least understanding of the Law and Constitution. So far, he’s struck out completely.

By: Duck Soup

Duck Soup — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:27:47 +0000

It’s time to stop the madness. Kucinich is moving to impeach. You can add your support now by sending an email to Congress: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_says_he_will_force_House_1102.html

By: Lefty Patriot

Lefty Patriot — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:23:03 +0000

How can those two traitors be allowed to remain in office? CodePink, where are you when we need you, your sensible and dignified presensce is needed in these desperate times.

Comment by Fletcher Morgantown â€” November 4, 2007 @ 11:12 am

And you’re enlisting when, you brainless coward?

By: Clumberfeet

Clumberfeet — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:57:59 +0000

Retired JAGs On Waterboarding: â€˜It Is Inhumane, It Is Torture, And It Is Illegalâ€™

According to Bush and Mukasey that’s classified!

By: Patriot

Patriot — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:34:45 +0000

As much fun as it has been argueing with a wall, I have to go. It’s pretty late now. Have fun with your little game here on TP. This argument can’t stay on topic, so I’ve got to say I’m done with it. I cna have more meaningful political discussion elsewhere.

By: Patriot

Patriot — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:26:09 +0000

RemoveBush 152, a friendly chat and interogation are completely different. Judging by how you behave, I’d assumed you knew that, meaning that you’ve been to jail more than once. What I said first about wikipedia still applies. So they give the sources. What is the source used is a whackjob with a degree? Would they turn it down or still count it?

BARTLEBEE at 153, I am not a coward because I want to protect freedom. Are you calling anyone who does not want to live under a oppresive, fanaticallay religious government a coward? That’s what the terrorists want. They want their beliefs to be law and they want to kill all who oppose them. And yes, I would use any means necesary to stop them.

By: Dave C

Dave C — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:20:25 +0000

If innocents are interrogated, then it is a problem with the detainment end, not the interrogation end. Innocent people go to jail all the time, but we donâ€™t shut down jails. That is because prisons are both legal and necesary.

Comment by Patriot â€” November 4, 2007 @ 12:14 am

It wouldn’t be a problem to interrogate innocents if you followed the Geneva Convention. Innocent people go to jail in the U.S….. after a trial. You don’t shut down your jails because those people have a right to defend themselves, their guilt is determined before the punishment is administered.

btw, International law states that it is illegal to attack another country without being attacked. Iraq did nothing to provoke an attack. They were complying with UN inspectors when GWB pulled the inspectors out and attacked. He kept saying that all Saddam had to do was give up the WMDs. It turns out there were none to give up. Go figure.

By: Patriot

Patriot — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:19:16 +0000

RemoveBush at 145, what are you talking about? Give me links to this evidence, if it exists.
RemoveBush at 147, you are entirely right. This is the fight of our lives and the entire nation should be behind it. We currently have an all volunteer army, however, and public opinions is against the war, so not enough people are joining. Now, if you’d like to institute a draft, go ahead.

By: Patriot

Patriot — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:14:26 +0000

RemoveBush at 142, how was it illegal to invade Iraq? I don’t recall anything about it being illegal to go towar with a hostile nation. And about bombing innocent civilians, there are casulties to war. If the enemies would just come out and meet us in the field, there wouldn’t be a problem. But they don’t. The enemy hides in the towns and in order to take out the enemy we have to attack. Sometimes citizens get in the way. It’s a fact of war. By the way, nice job dropping your conventions argument. You do like to drop arguments once you realize you can’t win, which seems to be quite often.

Dave C at 143, once again, I will say this is a discussion about whether or not waterboarding is legal. This is not a morality debate. It is a simple agrument abour whether or not something is illegal. If innocents are interrogated, then it is a problem with the detainment end, not the interrogation end. Innocent people go to jail all the time, but we don’t shut down jails. That is because prisons are both legal and necesary.

By: Dave C

Dave C — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:14:20 +0000

Patriot, you do realize that when these captured folks are being waterboarded they aren’t known terrorists right? They’re often just people in the wrong place at the wrong time. They have no legal rights, there’s no trial, no one determines that they are actually terrorists. It’s no different then picking you up off the street because your neighbor says you’re trouble… next thing you find yourself gulping for air while the police waterboard you to find out if you’re a real criminal. Welcome to Iraq under U.S. occupation. Be proud!!! At least you can sleep better knowing that the potentially innocent folks aren’t being tortured. Sure, you invaded their country on the basis of fake intel (Read that as OIL Lust) but you’re not torturing them.