Giuliani: I Used ‘Very Aggressive,’ ‘Intensive’ Interrogation Techniques
Giuliani: I Used ‘Very Aggressive,’ ‘Intensive’ Interrogation Techniques
Asked about his views of waterboarding this weekend, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani said that as President he would support the use of “enhanced” interrogation techniques. In an interview with Bloomberg’s Al Hunt, Giuliani claimed such techniques are effective and that he used “intensive questioning” as a federal prosecutor in New York to elicit information from the mafia:
I do know a lot about intensive questioning and intensive questioning techniques. … Now, intensive questioning works. If I didn’t use intensive questioning, there would be a lot of mafia guys running around New York right now and crime would be a lot higher in New York than it is. Intensive question has to be used.
Watch it:
While claiming “we should not torture,” Giuliani has been ambiguous in describing the exact interrogation tactics he approved, but he maintains they were “very aggressive”:
“They got ‘em because we arrested them, we got very significant charges on them, and we questioned them for long, long periods of time. With very aggressive techniques.” [LINK]
“I think putting people under some degree of pressure is done all the time…I did it to get information from the Mafia.” [LINK]
Giuliani’s vague statements raise questions as to what kind of “techniques” he endorsed as a federal prosecutor, and specifically, how he parses “the line between” torture and intensive questioning. Recently, Giuliani joked about the use of sleep deprivation and said he was “not sure” whether waterboarding constituted torture.
(HT: HuffPolitics)
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lets use some of that Intensive Questioning on Kerik.
i bet he’d spill some beans on Rudy.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmOpps. Sounds like a few of Rudy’s cases may now go to appeal because of torture allegations.
Rudy, he was for torture before George W. Bush was for torture.
-GSD
November 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pmMussloini reincarnated!! If this idiot is elected, he will make Bush look meek and mild. Go ahead America and elect this Fascist…”Make Rudy’s day and vote for him, while he buries the future of your children in a dark, bottomless pit of misery!”
November 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pmThis is more bullshit from the king of bullshitters. His macho crap is an attempt to give cover to the fact that he’s a cross dresser. We’ll find out in time that he’s never interrogated anyone.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:16 pmRudy’s Dad liked to use some pretty aggressive tactics too, back when he was kneecapping people for the Mafia.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThey say his favorite “aggresive interrogation technique” was breaking kneecaps with a baseball bat.
Here’s a bat that Rudy’s Dad would be really proud to swing for the Mafia:
http://www.boston.com/ news/ globe/ ideas/ brainiac/ 2007/ 10/ rudys_bat.html
Rudy, the small man in search of a balcony…
November 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmToo bad John Gotti missed his chance to whack Rudy, way back when.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:21 pmIt’s like reading a bad crime novel- Youse will get da rubba hose if youse don’t spill. Especially youse in da corner ova dere. Rudy “I’m as tough as Bush, tougher even.” Tool.
What an effing poseur this guy is. Wish someone would have rubber hosed him a few times for whitewashing the truth out of his career…
November 4th, 2007 at 1:22 pmNice words, Rudy ; call it ‘enhancing techniques’ when in fact it is torture. Mr. Giuliani: ‘Intensive questioning’ is not ‘torture’.
The comparison is not there.
There are treaties that ban torture which our government signed
There are no treaties signed for ‘intensive questioning’.
America cannot affored an extremist like Giuliani…
November 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmThe Democrats should attack this and turn it into a national talking point. They should be attacking Rudy. Force him to say whether or not he was using the same techniques used on Al Qaeda suspects in black prisons and jihadists at Gtmo against US citizens. Ask point blank as to whether or not he used extreme sleep deprivation, exposure to extreme cold temperatures and other such techniques against US citizen criminal suspects. The last question/accusation should then be that Julie then could not rule out the water boarding of US citizens in criminal investigations.
OH, BUT THAT WOULD TAKE PARTY DISCIPLINE AND GUTS. TWO TRAITS SERIOUSLY LACKING IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pm#10: THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:30 pm- - “DEMOCRATIC” to be grammatically correct. But then, you knew that.
Trudi would probably like to dress his interagatees up in womens clothing, then remove them with his teeth.
This ‘guy’ is a total phony.
∞
November 4th, 2007 at 1:34 pmOpps. Sounds like a few of Rudy’s cases may now go to appeal because of torture allegations.
-GSD
You got there first, GSD. If the appeal periods haven’t run, there are defense attorneys wiping drool off their chins…
November 4th, 2007 at 1:34 pmIt should be a hit by Christmas and with the Republicans in all of government.
Comment by Billy Hill — November 4, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
Well, we’ll be happy to use it on all the republicans in the government; maybe we can get rid of all of them that easily. Bringing freedom to America is what we’d be doing. It would be nice to try it on you first, cowardly little billy. when are you enlisting?
Hahahahaha! As if.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pmGuliani: The mafia and torture candidate.
It would be interesting times if he were president. Fortunately, I don’t think he has a chance.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pmRemember the “Very Aggressive,’ ‘Intensive’ Interrogation Techniques” Abner Louima suffered under Giuliani’s rule?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima
November 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmGiuliani Time on a national scale.
Invest in plunger stocks.
What a sad, sick nation America has become.
-GSD
November 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmDid someone say Giuli-Tranny?
-GSD
November 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmWagschauen.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:51 pmRudi,
Read the Constitution.
Ugh. You were once my favorite, you have devolved. You are frightening.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:52 pm“I did it to get information from the Mafia.â€
when in reality, he or bernie probably just picked up the phone and called their mob buddies to get the info they needed.
November 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmYou can’t run an American city, state or justice department without torture?
November 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThink America.
Giuliani’s a shit-talkin’ little punk.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHmmm… perhaps T/Rudi should have used ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on Kerik… and gotten some straight answers outta Bernie.
Whoa… wait a minute… did I just just the word ’straight’ in the same sentence w/ the name ‘T/Rudi’??? My mistake…
November 4th, 2007 at 2:02 pmBartlebee has had a different experince of Manhattan than I have had.
God bless the Port Authority Police. Absolutely professional and compassionate, one and all. Thanks guys. All goodness out to you all.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:05 pmWho Would Jesus Torture?
One of the more peculiar aspects of the views of most Conservatives on torture is their propensity for dubious scenarios. For instance: Suppose you knew for certain…Only God knows anything for certain. And if God has told you—for certain that someone knows where the bomb is—they why doesn’t He tell you where the bomb is—for certain. Are you saying God wants you to torture people?
On closer inspection the favored Conservative scenario for torture reveals a curious conclusion. It begins: suppose we knew for certain that a certain man knows exactly where a nuclear weapon is and we also know for certain that torturing the man would reveal the information in time for us to disarm the bomb. For certain.
Interesting scenario. Very instructive. Let us tweak the scenario a bit. Suppose you hit the terror cell that planted the bomb and everyone was dead except for one small, female child. The child is a true believer who is quite certain that you are an infidel. As I understand Conservative logic, most Conservatives would torture the child. This was recently reinforced by a certain Aryan on Aryan talk radio. We shall give the Aryan a code name: Wild Pig on His Knees. Wild Pig on His Knees was driven to read a letter from a waitress on the air. In the letter the waitress said that she hated children. Wild Pig on His Knees is one of the Gang of Three Aryans who populate the Conservative wing of Aryan Radio. This Gang of Three say what many Conservatives believe but fear to utter. Namely that they believe that Jack Bauer style torture should be the rule not exception against enemies of the United States and people they dislike or disapprove of. Wild Pig on His Knees is especially vocal in his denunciation of people who do not meet the Aryan ideal. He has repeatedly stated that certain people should not have the right to vote, have children or even to saved by firemen from a fire. Rather like Adolf Hitler, Wild Pig on His Knees believes he has the right to determine which human life is worthwhile and which is not. Or as he renders it: He believes he is the sole arbiter of who is stupid.
While the words of Aryan Radio hosts such as Wild Pig on His knees seem outrageous enough, what is truly outrageous is how the Conservative government acts on those words. There are people that anyone who is either honest or intelligent would conclude have been tortured either by our government or by governments they were rendered to. Government with a history of torture. It is instructive to note that all the victims who honest people believe have been tortured are of either a different race or a different religion than the President. Moreover, the only US citizens who have been held incommunicado in a manner inconsistent with the US constitution because they were suspected to be terrorists were of either a different race or a different religion than the President. Looks like an Aryan principle is involved here.
But I digress. What is that surprising principle that we can garner from the way Aryans like Wild Pig on His Knees salivate over torture. First I thought the principle was that they would torture anyone even a small child to save their own hides. In fact, I went further down this road. Suppose you know for certain that torturing one innocent person to death would stop a nuclear bomb from going off or reveal the position of that bomb to you. If a conservative is in charge then that innocent will not see her next birthday.
Is that all there is I asked myself? Is this where torture ends? Then I realized something. All of our enemies now know that as long as Conservatives are in charge torture as a means to extract information is in effect. The only thing more certain that is that lying about torture is also in effect. Conservatives lie about torture in two ways. First they try to redefine torture. For Conservatives there is one and only one reason to redefine torture. Conservatives want to get away with torturing people. The second form of lying that conservatives do about torture is denial. To hear this type of lying just walk up to the nearest administration official and ask them if they are torturing anyone. Let the lies begin.
Ok, so our enemies know that Conservative equals torture and that the conservatives now hold the executive branch of government. How will our adversaries behave? Given what are enemies say they believe, they would be more than willing to sacrifice their own to prove a point. So one might imagine that our adversaries would send out cells each of whom is certain they know the location of a nuclear device. Each member or the cell is sworn to secrecy not to reveal the information even under torture. Conservatives believe their Nazi derived means of torture are fool proof and would work on anyone. If the Conservatives are right then after the cells are discovered the false locations would be revealed. All of the locations would be under surveillance by human and electronic means. So the revelation of the locations would be confirmation that information has been extracted by means of torture. One can imagine that our adversaries might let this happen many times before coming to a conclusion. What conclusion would that be? Why don’t we let Conservatives reveal what that conclusion would be or what our enemies would do next? Conservatives believe themselves to be so good at predicting the future. If you say you know for certain that a certain man knows where the bomb is and you furthermore know for certain that torturing him will reveal the location. Why Conservative prognosticators must be almost as good as those global warming types who tell us we must live in cold caves and eat grass because they can predict exactly what will happen 1000 years from now. Even though we can’t accurately predict the current hurricane season.
It would not surprise me if conservatives tried to say something like: you’re giving our enemies ideas they would not otherwise have had. If so, this would betray either the ignorance or the stupidity of Conservatives. Let’s see, the most recent movie I have seen wherein a group of people were deliberately fed false information so that could reveal it under torture was the DaVinci code. Given some the religious implications in the DaVinci Code, Conservatives may have been forbidden to watch it. Let’s try something more benign. In Star Wars, under duress, one of the characters reveals false information about the location of the rebel base. Not ringing a bell yet Conservatives? Let’s get old. Really old. Remember the Trojan Horse? The concepts: put something into the enemy camp that appears to be one thing but is actually another. Okay, okay. Conservatives only understand one thing. Remember in the Bible when Abraham passes off his wife as his sister and when the king finds out he says: are you trying to get me condemned to hell for committing a sin without being aware of it?
So we can safely say we have the torture President and he is head of the Torture Party. Let’s replace Hail to the Chief with the sounds screams. Let change the names of government agencies to names like Ministry of Pain and Ministry of Fear. The names of the Presidents men could become Torture Czar, Torture Lord, or Minister of Pain. And as long as I am indulging in low humor wherein nothing I say bears any resemblance to anyone or anything living or dead. Let me say as a joke, a parody, a farce, that as sure as there were nukes in Iraq and that’s what our men and women are getting maimed and killed there for; I am just as certain he said, facetiously, nudge, nudge, wink, wink—that every adult male conservative in the country knows exactly where every gram of illegal and contraband radioactive substances are on the face of earth. Yes he said, straining to haul a one ton block of salt with his tongue firmly planted in his check, I am absolutely certain that any adult male who happens to conservative know exactly where each and every one of the illegal and dangerous contraband nukes are…
Finally, let us note in passing that if you want torture you must vote for conservatives in both the congress and for the presidency. Only conservatives are soothed to sleep by the screams of the damned. It probably reminds them of where they will spend eternity. No liberal or progressive will torture people. Only conservatives enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on their fellow human beings—and lying about it.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:13 pmSomebody Please!
Take the wind up key out of his butt and throw the damn thing away.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:14 pmBartlebee,
No need to get nasty. Port Authority actually did help me in the middle of the night when I was destitute because I had no money and no ID. They brought me home. They caught my robber. They did good.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:16 pmRudy is beyond nauseating. Never served a lick in the military but he can tell the American people about interrogation techiques. Rudy’s real interpretation of torture is when he puts on a new pair of pantyhose for a his crossdressing.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:21 pmRudy’s real interpretation of torture is when he puts on a new pair of pantyhose for a his crossdressing.
Comment by SP Biloxi — November 4, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Who’s he torturing, the pantyhose?
November 4th, 2007 at 2:22 pmBartlebee,
In order to be a progressive, it is not necessary for you to be an ass. People come from many walks of life. If you could see the similarities rather than the differences, perhaps you would be a better spokesman.
I too subscribe to progressive politics; however, by seeing the similarities, I think that we dig a better foundation.
If truth is what we’re after, you must have an open mind.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pm…
November 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pm(sigh)
Let me see if I get this right: He’s comparing repeatedly asking the same question to Torture??
Badmoodman: Yes, I know that DEMOCRAT party is wrong. However, I have nothing but contempt for little wussies like the DEMOCRAT party.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:40 pmAny individual accused of a crime in this country has the protection of the 5th Amendment and doesn’t have to answer any question. And if they are represented by counsel, they have a right to have their attorney there at all times to make sure they are not coerced into a confession. Prosecutors usually get individuals to talk by cutting deals and getting the accused to cooperate by offering them reduced sentences so that they roll over on their criminal associates. Crimes in this country are solved by investigating and getting facts that can be used against the accused, not by forcing a confession out of them. A coerced confession isn’t worth crap in a court of law before a jury and raises all kinds of reasonable doubt. I’m sure Giuliani knows the law. That makes me think that Giuliani is obviously lying and posturing just to make himself sound tough.
November 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pmS.D. -
Torture is this conversation . . .
Bartlebee can’t connect his assinine commets to reality. He’s calling NY treacherous while ignoring the valiant behavious of the Port Authority.
While pols continue to toss about 9-11 as a justification for all things evil, Bartlebee tosses out the virtues of the Port Authority. Both are bogus. Port Authortiy - amazing. 9-11, very sad, but get over it. 4 million killed in China by Japanese, 4,000 and compounding, American soldiers in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11, a chicken-hawk president, four deferrments VP Cheney, don’t even get me started. . . .
November 4th, 2007 at 2:47 pmYeah Rudy! Now it’s OK to torture Italian-Americans!
-GSD
November 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pmBartlebee, you go guy! Comparing the catching of my mugger by the Port Authority to the Nazis.
Fine dude!
Hitler is always the culprit . . . for an absolute idiot.
Port Authority saved my ragged soul . . . you may characterize it how ever you choose, but when your daughter is raped . . . you best hop for the Port Authority.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThat makes me think that Giuliani is obviously lying and posturing just to make himself sound tough.
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — November 4, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Somehow that doesn’t jive well w/ all the photos of T/Rudi in drag.
Talk about cognitive dissonance…
November 4th, 2007 at 3:05 pmGiuliani is unfit to be in charge..he already surrounded himself with a warmongering groups who want to continue fighting wars ’till end of time.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:05 pmThey are connected to certain lobby groups,who are looking to benefit financially and others from wars.
The irony is that these war lovers including Giuliani himself never seen a war,but in a Hollywood movie.
These war lovers also keep asking others to scarifice… but they will not sacrifice their own kids.
Giuliani will get us in more trouble of wars if elected…He is an extremist,that should not be elected.
Giuliani = Bush on steroids.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:11 pmGiuliani = Bush on steroids.
Comment by nwmuse — November 4, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
More like Bush in drag…
November 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pmSomehow that doesn’t jive well w/ all the photos of T/Rudi in drag.
Talk about cognitive dissonance…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Well it’s par for the course for Republicans. Just look at the tough-talking Chimp in the oval office who calls himself a War President and tells Americans “I’ve been to war”, when in fact he hid in a safe National Guard unit during the Vietnam War, when very few National Guardsmen were called up. In fact, only around 100 National Guardsmen died in Vietnam out of 58,000 battle deaths for the U.S. military. And Bush himself was fond of wearing female cheerleader clothes when he was in his all-male preparatory high school Andover, as this New York Times photo verifies:
http://partners.nytimes.com/ library/ politics/ camp/ 061000wh-bush.html
Giuliani is just another tough-talking, posturing Neoclown like the tough-talking chicken-hearted Rush Limbaugh.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThe question is how many false confessions have been extracted by enhanced interrogation techniques in this country. Maybe we should do DNA testing on all old cases since mayors and police departments think these techniques are a good idea. How often have we heard lately about people getting released from prison on old charges where DNA testing had not been available at the time. Convicted because they confessed to a crime. If people will confess they committed a crime they did not commit why would they not tell you about some bogus conspiracy if you are insisting they tell you about terrorism plans.
The whole concept of waterboarding or any torture as a necessity is insane. But just out of curiosity why don’t we try it on Rudy and see what all we can get him to confess to.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:19 pmWho’s he torturing, the pantyhose?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 4, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
LOL! Good one!
November 4th, 2007 at 3:25 pmBut just out of curiosity why don’t we try it on Rudy and see what all we can get him to confess to.
Comment by Shayne — November 4, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Starting with circumstances surrounding 9/11, and I’m not referring to his self-proclaimed heroics..
November 4th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWho’s he torturing, the pantyhose?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 4, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
LOL! Good one!
Comment by SP Biloxi — November 4, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Obviously the pantyhose and anybody who had to look at his ugly ass.
But all kidding aside, high heeled shoes are as much torture as a human should have to endure, ever.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:27 pmok, but if he starts talking about “the early years trying on his moms girdles†then I’m outta there.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 4, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Rudy doesn’t wear girdles anymore, he wears Spanx just like all the other ladies.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:28 pmBartlebee . .
You’re souding a bit defensive.
You should be. This is an argument you can’t win.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:31 pmIt is against the law to use testimony gained by torture. Rudy could be flapping his jaws in a way where some of those convictions could now be overturned on appeal. Of course that assumes that he is telling the truth and that is far from a sure thing. It could also be embarrassing to Rudy if someone came forward now and described the techniques Rudy is now calling aggressive.
Frankly, I don’t understand why Rudy is attempting to make himself out to be the most bad of the bad asses. Even more bad than Dick Cheney.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:37 pmGiuliani is just another tough-talking, posturing Neoclown like the tough-talking chicken-hearted Rush Limbaugh.
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — November 4, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
They are truly repulsive, disgusting characters. They love to talk tough endlessly, just as long as someone’s kid has to do the dirty work, and die, if necessary, for their hideously bloated sense of ‘honor’.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:37 pmEven more bad than Dick Cheney.
Comment by DallasNE — November 4, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Because he’s stupid and desperate.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:38 pmNo Bartlebee,
I’m not a bible beater or any class of Evangicle. I’m just a girl. I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Thank God you weren’t there to cheer on the festivities.
Port Authority helped me. Is that so bad?
Maybe you just get off on hazing the victims.
[I’m no victim, I’m an American who has the privilege of free speech and so can snark right back at you, Snark]
November 4th, 2007 at 3:39 pmGiuliani is a big posturer, a faker, and a liar. On 9/11, the reason he had to walk around and roll his shoulders in front of cameras, shouting orders to invisible people off-camera who weren’t even there, making himself seem tough is that he had the incompetence to place the high-tech underground emergency management center inside the World Trade Center. Giuliani should have been manning the phones and coordinating the activities of firemen and police on 9/11. Instead, he walked around trying to win an Academy Award for a great dramatic performance. His tough-talk about his illegal interrogation techniques is just more of the same posturing.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBartlebee & rockyroad, i think there is a misunderstanding; reading back thru the comments, i dont think you disagree.
& now i will my nose out of it.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:49 pmBartlebee,
The fact that you believe that you can justify rape means you lose.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:50 pmRudy: “Ve haf vays to make you talk, Ja?”
November 4th, 2007 at 3:54 pmBartlebee:
And I know why.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 4, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
SHUT UP. You some super hero? You know why?
No one knows why. twit.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:55 pmGood ole leather to the pavement . . . that’s why.
November 4th, 2007 at 3:57 pmSomebody Please!
Take the wind up key out of his butt and throw the damn thing away.
Comment by natisman — November 4, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
And stick a PLUNGER in there, a la Abner Louima (no offense, plunger).
Nazi coxucker punk, just like silver-spoon AWOLboy…
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 4th, 2007 at 3:57 pmYeah, me, a neocon troll, that’s the ticket.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:01 pmGiuliani is just another tough-talking, posturing Neoclown like the tough-talking chicken-hearted Rush Limbaugh.
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — November 4, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Unfortunately, he is also a compulsive liar. Even worse, when confronted with his lies, he just digs and makes them even larger. That is pathological.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWe have already had 7 years of a pathological liar, do we really want more?
Badmoodman: Yes, I know that DEMOCRAT party is wrong. However, I have nothing but contempt for little wussies like the DEMOCRAT party.
Comment by JMOHR — November 4, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Yup. I feel the same way about the BushNazi Rapeublics, who in 7 years (really since Nixon), have FCKVED this country.
They ALL need to be tortured in Gitmo until they DROP DEAD, especially MURDERER Bush the TRAITOR coxucker PUNK and EVIL Cheney.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 4th, 2007 at 4:05 pmRudy sounds like a pussy to me. A big talkin’ pussy.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:05 pmOur Uberwannabe Fuhrer speaks:
“Nah - waterboarding isn’t torture! We New Yorkers *knew* how to *REALLY* torture people - hell, lemme at a few of these pussy Islamofascists - I’ll stick a plunger up their asses - have ‘em talkin’ in no time!!! YEAH!!!”
Just what we need here in the Fascist Dictatorship of Amerika! Der Fuhrer Rudi!!
Ja vohl!!!!
November 4th, 2007 at 4:14 pmRudy sounds like a pussy to me. A big talkin’ pussy.
Comment by VerbalKint — November 4, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Wasn’t there a porn movie about this in the seventies? I think it might have been called Chatterbox.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:22 pm.
Mr. Jule-Anne,
Congress already defined and accepted what torture constitutes when the Senate ratified the Geneva Conventions.
Giving a clue to those who continue to not catch ‘em when thrown their way.
.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:23 pmFrom the sound of this, Rudy’s just indicted himself for using enhanced interrogation techniques NOT in compliance with the Geneva Conventions on Torture. I would think that anyone whom Giuliani’s used these techniques upon will be coming forth with a demand for an investigation into criminal charges against Rudy now.
This man is frightfully just like Bush. When speaking extemporaneously, he indicts himself left and right. He’s a Bush KnockOff which is definitely NOT something this country needs for another 4 or 8 years.
It’s safe to say that if the DRE’s are rigged and Giuliani wins (which is the only way he could possibly win in the first place), then we can kiss this country “good bye”.
Rudy Giuliani would, essentially, be “THE FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THIS DEMOCRACY”.
Besides that, he’s an absolute moron when it comes to fiscal responsibility, foreign policy, and US history.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:31 pmHe’s trying to sound macho… which the Right LOVES! But he is “suggesting” he tortured mafioso’s to get them to confess, but doesn’t come right out and say so: one, because he knows it would commute their sentence, and two, because he didn’t actually “torture” suspects (no way he could of gotten away with it), he just wants to make it sound like he did.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:32 pmMax - 1: Yes, indeed - Congress ratified the Geneva Conventions on torture and the Bush Cabal has admitted to violating them which is precisely why they’re working Mukasey right now to attempt to exonerate themselves. Unless Mukasey expressely endorses “waterboarding” when he’s AG, it’s clear that Bush and his cadre of sycophants in his administration will be on trial someday soon for “war crimes”.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:32 pmThis time Rudy’s outdone himself and his machismo and bravado - he went over the line and indicted himself for his actions against individuals while being a prosecutor. I’d bet that there will be some major lawsuits coming Rudy’s way - and very soon - for those he maligned while violating the laws of this country.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:34 pmMugsy: Whether it’s just Rudy’s viagra speaking or not, he’s admitted to breaking the law with “enhanced torture techniques” while a prosecutor. This is the “death knell” for Rudy’s campaign when this becomes headline news.
Once a thug/always a thug and Rudy’s been a “first class thug” for decades. Everyone in NY knows it, too.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:35 pmBartlebee: For the record and to interject some stats into things, when New Yorkers were polled about Rudy, 9 out of 10 thought Bloomberg was a much better Mayor.
When police and firefighters were polled, about the same stats prevailed. Rudy screwed the first responders with his no-bid mafia contract to Motorola for their communication devices on 911 so he’s not thought of very highly by the first responders who served under him. (firefighters, policemen, EMT’s, etc.).
He doesn’t have the kudos and high praise from people who were there as the MSM would have us believe in their ongoing Rudy propaganda - which, BTW, is part of the Bush-Giuliani Pact - after 911, Rudy became the GOP’s “golden boy” - the shoe in they “thought” (operative word here) would be King George’s successor. NOT!!
After 8 long years of a president who can’t complete a sentence on his own, the last thing we need is a lisping idiot, tanked up on Viagra and flashing his faux machismo everywhere he goes…..ewwwwwww! Been there and had enough of that nonsense to last us a lifetime.
Giuliani’s not electible - his mafioso background and his conflicts of interest are skeletons he’s got coming out of a closet soon. He’s uneducated and inexperienced so I can’t imagine whom they are polling when they spout off his numbers.
They certainly aren’t polling the 36% Registered Indy’s so what the heck any of his numbers mean at this point coming from a 28% and declining GOP base, I have no idea. It’s all false bull$hit and propaganda.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:41 pmP.S. Pertinent Fact: Those no-bid Motorola communication devices malfunctioned on 911 - sounding like a familiar pattern? Just like the war games going on so NORAD and ATC’s couldn’t differentiate the real planes from the “faux planes”….pretty nifty idea if you’re a criminal mind.
November 4th, 2007 at 4:43 pm.
LOL
The professionals in the realm of interrogation say torture produces unreliable results.
The criminals that engage in torture or who endorse it’s use, say otherwise.
Now,
Who’s position benefits whom, and why?
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November 4th, 2007 at 5:00 pmRudy’s “intensive interrogation techniques”: he forced his suspects to keep their eyes open while he performed Burlesque strip-tease routines in front of them. The horror of that sight would make anyone talk.
November 4th, 2007 at 5:10 pmRudy: “Ve haf vays to make you talk, Ja?â€
Comment by Uncle Ho
I don’t know about you, but if Rudy came into the interrogation room dressed in drag and looking like Edith Bunker’s uglier, butch-er sister, I’d start singing God Bless America and tell him whatever I know, damn quick.
November 4th, 2007 at 5:40 pmExley, told ya a long time ago.
Giuliani is a thug.
November 4th, 2007 at 5:42 pmJuan C: The term “thug” is putting it mildly when it comes to Giuliani!
November 4th, 2007 at 6:00 pmI see appeals cases coming. Did Giuliani get confessions through torture? If I were lawyers of the people Giuliani put into prison, I would sure be writing up an appeal.
November 4th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIt’s beginning to look like a Viagra overdose to me - all of this false machismo. It’s reeeeepulsive!
November 4th, 2007 at 6:01 pmBarfly: It never ceases to amaze me that the guys who look the “girliest” are the ones who engage in apelike knuckle dragging and chest thumping. Maybe next he’ll audition to be one of the “Cheetah Girls”??
November 4th, 2007 at 6:05 pmBartlebee: Fake walkie-talkies and fake blips on the radar….hmmm….wonder what else factored into the false flag?
November 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pmLast time I checked, Rudy was a yankee, so why don’t you sell that shit up north.
November 4th, 2007 at 6:07 pmVeritas:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ archives/ individual/ 2007_11/ 012430.php
Cast your vote for the wingnuttiest post.
I’m voting for Sullivan.
For the irony, you understand.
November 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pmNeofascist’s new “wet dream” - a fold-up waterboarding kit.
November 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pmbarfly: What a cast of characters. Thanks for the link.
November 4th, 2007 at 6:10 pmOops. Can’t vote for Sully.
I’ll substitute Hindrocket’s “entry.”
[snerk!]
November 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmHey, why not start cutting heads off like your pals and brothers the terrorists do! Now, I might be crazy, but I think THAT’S called torture!!
November 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmAlthough Man-Boob Hewitt’s “Empire State”-ment runs a close second.
November 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pmThe Giuliani was the man that had the cojonas to ban Yasser Arafat from a party at Gracie Mansion. Paraplegic, Leon Klinghoffer was thrown overboard off of a cruise ship along with his wheelchair in 1985 by Yasser Arafat’s thugs. Giuliani said Arafat was a terrorist not welcome in his house.
Many guests disagreed, including Bill Clinton, but Rudi stuck to his principles.
Unfortunately, that guy no longer exists.
November 4th, 2007 at 7:00 pmgimme a break - if rudy muscled gotti’s people that badly,he would have been found floating in the east river long before now
November 4th, 2007 at 7:02 pmMaybe Klinghoff was our first experience with waterboarding. . . take a Jewish parapelegic and throw him and his wheelchair into the ocean . . . torture or not? Giuliani thought torture . . . but now through the torture of campaigning . . . he’s flip-flopped. . . . Too bad Leon didn’t have that option.
November 4th, 2007 at 7:15 pmNo need to get nasty. Port Authority actually did help me in the middle of the night when I was destitute because I had no money and no ID. They brought me home. They caught my robber. They did good.
Comment by rockyroad — November 4, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Agreed!!
I work in NYC, and these guys can actually joke around still, just like the cops in the old days.They all smile and say good morning.
Not so with NYPD. A paranoid, skin-head group.
November 4th, 2007 at 7:17 pmBrian,
Don’t know about NYPD, but God bless the Port Authority.
Smiles.
November 4th, 2007 at 7:23 pmBret Farve . . You GO!
37 and amazing!
November 4th, 2007 at 8:10 pmGotta love a cheese head.
November 4th, 2007 at 8:15 pmOh Bartlebee,
Rudi isn’t going to win, but even if he were to win country won’t be locked down “tighter than Stalin on Steroids.” I do not want him to win, but nonetheless, he is no Stalin on Steroids. The country will be fine.
Democrats will still have a majority. If you’re going the paranoia route, worry about your democrat cohorts. They have failed to serve us well.
November 4th, 2007 at 8:22 pmOur fav dem . Schumer. is sponsoring Mulkasey. Barf me a hair balll.
With dems like Schumer . . a aaak, hide under the bed . . fear Giuliani?
November 4th, 2007 at 8:41 pmRudy . . . is such a wiener.
Rethugs mite just as well nominate pee-wee herman.
Either one is about as qualified as the other.
November 4th, 2007 at 9:18 pmBartlebee,
You don’t exist.
Last post from me in response to your nonsense.
Twit.
November 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pmDems,
More important than you vote in the general election is your vote in the primaries . . . get out there and get active.
Your action is determinative. The plight in which we find ourselves will be determined by electoral votes, not by the populace.
Electoral votes are the key. They outweigh the popular vote.
Rough truth. . . but the truth.
November 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pmDon’t know what you jack asses did to my wife, but she’s crying and I can’t think of anyone but you. WTF?
November 4th, 2007 at 11:20 pmBartlebee my wife is not a girl, she’s a lady.
She’s a lady who’s been raped. She’s a lady who belives in porgressive policies. She’s a lady who will no longer be talking to you.
I’m a man. A very large man.
Leave my lady alone.
November 5th, 2007 at 12:54 amGood night and thank you for all of your support!
We’re going to make love like little bunnies . . . and eat strawberries and cream in the morning.
Thanks . . .
November 5th, 2007 at 1:57 am#158 You must understand that a woman who was raped has no reason to feel ashamed. It certainly seems to be a world-wide condemnation . . but it wasn’t her fault. Women need to stand up . . . we must prosecute . . . I did. Ten years and ten thousand dollars.
Stand up. Don’t be ashamed of the likes of Bartlebee.
November 5th, 2007 at 2:20 amI’m thinking about the Komen Foundation for rape victims.
Race for the cure.
We might just be able to irradicate Bartlebee (who I suspect is a lonely guy, locked up in his dorm room, jackin’ of to Paris Hilton posters, and mad as hell . . . taking it out on TP), somebody, get the geek a date . . .
November 5th, 2007 at 2:49 amTo get the geek a date, he’d have to have friends.
It’s a no go.
November 5th, 2007 at 2:52 amWho’s cryin’ now?
November 5th, 2007 at 2:59 amIf Rudi abrogated the law, he shoud suffer the consequences.
November 5th, 2007 at 3:07 amShould not shoud.
November 5th, 2007 at 3:11 amNo, abrogated is a three syllable word that I doubted you would understand. Clearly, I was correct.
November 5th, 2007 at 3:22 amYou dimwit,
I was agreeing with you . . .but you’re such a hate monger that you can’t recognize agreement. You calling me a troll is a joke. Your mindset is exactly that of the “Decider.”
November 5th, 2007 at 3:26 amIf Giuliani used “very aggressive techniques”, he’s unfit to serve in public office. No way he should run for president.
His choice in subordinates already raises serious questions about his judgment.
He should retire.
November 5th, 2007 at 3:41 amYou really don’t deserve the time that it takes for me to type. (which no doubt you will cut and paste into your next ctiticism of me)
Regardless, Americans are innocent until proven guilty, therefore the “if” is in order.
For you, who seems so consumed with fear that our nation is “going Nazi”, you should be particularly fond of the “if” precursor to any accusation of guilt.
Just sayin’
November 5th, 2007 at 3:53 amGood Morning, Bartlebee! You’re exorcising “in the name of James Carville”? I’m afraid that might constitute torture! :D
November 5th, 2007 at 3:57 amYeah Bartlebee, you’re into me . . .
Enjoy a wet dream . . . twit
November 5th, 2007 at 4:02 amHell, he scares ME more than theirs! But Carville doesn’t scare me as much as Rudy does. Rudy gives us NYers a bad name.
See ya later.
November 5th, 2007 at 4:06 amWhat the heck are you talking about? LEGION?
I have no idea.
November 5th, 2007 at 4:16 am. . . going to make like little bunnies and have strawberries and cream.
Nite.
November 5th, 2007 at 4:29 amOMG it’s on Video, well hell case closed . . . if your a twit.
Lord, hire a better lawyer than yourself.
November 5th, 2007 at 4:39 amI really do want to go to bed, but Bartlebee’s such an easy target. Too easy.
November 5th, 2007 at 4:40 amHere’s how to shut the pro torture people down. Ask them these two questions.
1. If waterboarding isn’t torture would it be okay if our troops are waterboared when they’re captured?
2. Should children be waterboared to obtain information?
November 5th, 2007 at 10:10 amExactly. Plus, I’m so sure they interrogated the mafia guys without their lawyers present, right?
November 5th, 2007 at 10:59 amyea like the time that cop broke a plunger off in that africans ass. Yea that wasn’t torture. It was just intensive interrogation techniques
November 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pmor the time the cops kicked in a guys front door and put 40 bullets in him and then found out he was the wrong guy.
November 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pmBartlebee they haven’t fired your ass yet.
I support Barak Obama.
Shiv yourself with that little piece of info.
November 5th, 2007 at 6:15 pmOh yeah, being that your a POS DC clown, you probably don’t know what a shiv is.
It’s that hand-crafted pointy object that your fellow inmate is going to poke in your ass.
Happy days.
November 5th, 2007 at 6:19 pmBartlebee should be fired.
This is a progressive website that must no condone silencing posters who’s views diverge from those of Bartelbee.
I love this website. It is a place of discourse. If you disagree with my point of view, state you case . . . change my mind.
Don’t engage in a personal attack that goes to the core of my being.
Let’s talk. The personal abuse of Bartlebee, quakes the pale. He’s a bad seed. Who is he? a high school student? TP, you’re looking at a tad of liability here.
November 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pmWelcome to the Jerry Springer Zone . . .
If you aint trailor trash, venture no further.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:41 pm“If I didn’t use intensive questioning, there would be a lot of mafia guys running around New York right now and crime would be a lot higher in New York than it is.”
November 7th, 2007 at 6:50 amDoes he mean guys such as himself running around New York? After all, didn’t Giuliani start out as a loan sharking guy?
And, I’m curious, did he focus mostly on fall guys, stooges, Italian mafia types? What about the Jewish mafia? Did he go after slumlords like Joel Weiner, who owns over 20,000 rental units and has been suspected of using arson to burn out his rent controlled tenants?
Whose side did Giuliani play in the Pit of New York?