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	<title>Comments on: White House Tells Musharraf: Never &#8216;Restrict Constitutional Freedoms&#8217; To Fight Terrorism</title>
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		<title>By: Amandalee</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-4/#comment-4149214</link>
		<dc:creator>Amandalee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This video is a prime example of what Bush, Cheney and the like are doing to the U.S. Constitution:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvp4uhi6sks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

(Authors of video can be contacted at LoveTheConstitution.com)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video is a prime example of what Bush, Cheney and the like are doing to the U.S. Constitution:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvp4uhi6sks" rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>(Authors of video can be contacted at LoveTheConstitution.com)</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4149214', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: chisna</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-4/#comment-4146956</link>
		<dc:creator>chisna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My nation has a first name it&#039;s D-O-U-B-L-E, my nation has a second name it&#039;s S-T-A-N-D-A-R-D, 


Ooh, I love to live here almost everyday and if you ask me why I&#039;ll say, cause my nation has a way with H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My nation has a first name it&#8217;s D-O-U-B-L-E, my nation has a second name it&#8217;s S-T-A-N-D-A-R-D, </p>
<p>Ooh, I love to live here almost everyday and if you ask me why I&#8217;ll say, cause my nation has a way with H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146956', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-4/#comment-4146859</link>
		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keltoi - please do read the book. And try to keep an open mind. 

This is not merely an &quot;I hate Bush&quot; screed. Nor is this a book that sets out to bash the Bush administration. Naomi Wolf merely points out frankly scary trends toward a fascist shift in government.  And she points out things that are happening right here in America - right before our apathetic eyes.

She backs up her conclusions and assertions with historical references - all footnoted and sourced. It&#039;s a compelling case.

&lt;b&gt;This book should be REQUIRED READING for all Americans. &lt;/b&gt;

p.s. I had no idea she worked for Al Gore. I don&#039;t consider it at all relevant to the subject work anyway. It has nothing at all about global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keltoi &#8211; please do read the book. And try to keep an open mind. </p>
<p>This is not merely an &#8220;I hate Bush&#8221; screed. Nor is this a book that sets out to bash the Bush administration. Naomi Wolf merely points out frankly scary trends toward a fascist shift in government.  And she points out things that are happening right here in America &#8211; right before our apathetic eyes.</p>
<p>She backs up her conclusions and assertions with historical references &#8211; all footnoted and sourced. It&#8217;s a compelling case.</p>
<p><b>This book should be REQUIRED READING for all Americans. </b></p>
<p>p.s. I had no idea she worked for Al Gore. I don&#8217;t consider it at all relevant to the subject work anyway. It has nothing at all about global warming.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146859', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-4/#comment-4146408</link>
		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Bush is taking notes.

Feeling us out... how America reacts...

... a barometer of sorts.

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<p>Bush is taking notes.</p>
<p>Feeling us out&#8230; how America reacts&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; a barometer of sorts.</p>
<p>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146408', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: stacyg</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-4/#comment-4146345</link>
		<dc:creator>stacyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we are about to confirm Judge Mukasey, who cannot even admit that waterboarding is torture?  I am not yet willing to give up this fight.

Contact the Senate Judiciary committee members.  Go to www.notacent.com.  Every effort counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we are about to confirm Judge Mukasey, who cannot even admit that waterboarding is torture?  I am not yet willing to give up this fight.</p>
<p>Contact the Senate Judiciary committee members.  Go to <a href="http://www.notacent.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.notacent.com</a>.  Every effort counts.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146345', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluestocking</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-4/#comment-4146334</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Musharraf came to power during the administration of that wonderful liberal icon, William Clinton. Next question: What did President Clinton do about it? -- O. Bigfoot

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Perhaps the &lt;em&gt;relevant&lt;/em&gt; question -- which I notice you rather conveniently skirted around -- is not so much which President was in office at the time when Musharraf rose to power, but rather from which administration Musharraf received the greatest amount of funding.  If you can cite a reasonably credible source that Musharraf received more funding from the US government during the Clinton administration than he has during the Bush administration, then you might actually have a point -- especially since the zeitgeist was a lot different back then than it is now.  If you can&#039;t provide any such evidence, then I&#039;m afraid to say that all you&#039;re really doing is blowing smoke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Musharraf came to power during the administration of that wonderful liberal icon, William Clinton. Next question: What did President Clinton do about it? &#8212; O. Bigfoot</p>
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<p>Perhaps the <em>relevant</em> question &#8212; which I notice you rather conveniently skirted around &#8212; is not so much which President was in office at the time when Musharraf rose to power, but rather from which administration Musharraf received the greatest amount of funding.  If you can cite a reasonably credible source that Musharraf received more funding from the US government during the Clinton administration than he has during the Bush administration, then you might actually have a point &#8212; especially since the zeitgeist was a lot different back then than it is now.  If you can&#8217;t provide any such evidence, then I&#8217;m afraid to say that all you&#8217;re really doing is blowing smoke.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146334', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-4/#comment-4146309</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! Bush, the &quot;personal responsibility&quot; President. I don&#039;t recall him taking responsibility for invading Iraq based on inaccurate, and fabricated, &quot;intelligence&quot;. Heck, he&#039;s never even retracted &quot;mission accomplished&quot;.

When the shrub admits he screwed up I might start listening to neocons claims of &quot;personal responsibility&quot;. As for independence, one needs to think independently to lay claim to the word. If one spouts the party line ad infinitum one has displayed a complete lack of independence.

I might add that resistance to oversight is a bit damning as well. One would think a responsible person would welcome the opportunity to identify, and correct, shortcomings.  This, of course, can&#039;t happen until one admits the possibility of imperfection. I haven&#039;t seen much willingness to do so from the Republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! Bush, the &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221; President. I don&#8217;t recall him taking responsibility for invading Iraq based on inaccurate, and fabricated, &#8220;intelligence&#8221;. Heck, he&#8217;s never even retracted &#8220;mission accomplished&#8221;.</p>
<p>When the shrub admits he screwed up I might start listening to neocons claims of &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221;. As for independence, one needs to think independently to lay claim to the word. If one spouts the party line ad infinitum one has displayed a complete lack of independence.</p>
<p>I might add that resistance to oversight is a bit damning as well. One would think a responsible person would welcome the opportunity to identify, and correct, shortcomings.  This, of course, can&#8217;t happen until one admits the possibility of imperfection. I haven&#8217;t seen much willingness to do so from the Republican party.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146309', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-3/#comment-4146283</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where Big O dwells, reason and morality die a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where Big O dwells, reason and morality die a little.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146283', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: judyinnm</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-3/#comment-4146242</link>
		<dc:creator>judyinnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mushharraf is in his position because he and HIS army deposed the DULY ELECTED president of Pakistan, by coup.   Now, because George bush, jr tells him that he can&#039;t  declare a state of emergency, he&#039;s going to go back to some &quot;rule of law&quot; that he overrode several years ago?  I think bin Laden carries more weight in that neck of the woods than georgejr.   The irony of georgejr encouraging ANYONE to heed ANY laws is laughable - no, it&#039;s just tragic.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mushharraf is in his position because he and HIS army deposed the DULY ELECTED president of Pakistan, by coup.   Now, because George bush, jr tells him that he can&#8217;t  declare a state of emergency, he&#8217;s going to go back to some &#8220;rule of law&#8221; that he overrode several years ago?  I think bin Laden carries more weight in that neck of the woods than georgejr.   The irony of georgejr encouraging ANYONE to heed ANY laws is laughable &#8211; no, it&#8217;s just tragic&#8230;&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146242', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JosephW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JosephW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The newest directive from the White House to Musharraf:  Do as we say, not as we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The newest directive from the White House to Musharraf:  Do as we say, not as we do.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146235', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shadow7</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-3/#comment-4146214</link>
		<dc:creator>shadow7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does any thinking person really believe that the President of Pakistan is able to make ANY political or military decision without the approval, if not the actual direction of the US Government?

The answer is so damned obvious as to be childish: NO, HE CANNOTâ€¦ because US dollars protect Pervez Musharraf and keep him in power. The 700 MILLION dollars in economic and military assistance the US gave to Musharraf this year alone are most definitely not an altruistic gift that comes without strings. The 800 million dollars scheduled to reach the Pakistani government in 2008 will guarantee that Musharraf continues to do exactly what the Bush administration wants. It is not an exaggeration to suggest that President/General Musharraf would not last a day in office without US aid and protection. Not a single day.

Could the events in Pakistan be a testing ground for what Bushco might be planning in the US to avoid the consequences of fair and democratic elections here in 2008?

Read and think:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=668&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=668&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does any thinking person really believe that the President of Pakistan is able to make ANY political or military decision without the approval, if not the actual direction of the US Government?</p>
<p>The answer is so damned obvious as to be childish: NO, HE CANNOTâ€¦ because US dollars protect Pervez Musharraf and keep him in power. The 700 MILLION dollars in economic and military assistance the US gave to Musharraf this year alone are most definitely not an altruistic gift that comes without strings. The 800 million dollars scheduled to reach the Pakistani government in 2008 will guarantee that Musharraf continues to do exactly what the Bush administration wants. It is not an exaggeration to suggest that President/General Musharraf would not last a day in office without US aid and protection. Not a single day.</p>
<p>Could the events in Pakistan be a testing ground for what Bushco might be planning in the US to avoid the consequences of fair and democratic elections here in 2008?</p>
<p>Read and think:<br />
<a href="http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=668" rel="nofollow">http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=668</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146214', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-3/#comment-4146212</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone needs to tell the Bush administration that they&#039;re supposed to be using the *US Constitution*.  The one that was ratified in 1781 by thirteen colonies.  The one that contains the BILL of RIGHTS!  The one that says that the writ of habeas corpus shall not be denied.  The one that provides checks on each of three CO-EQUAL branches of the federal government.  The one that bars illegal search and seizure.  The one that establishes freedom of the press.  The one that bars cruel and unusual punishment (Amendament 8), then immediately after (Amendment 9) says that the Constitution shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs to tell the Bush administration that they&#8217;re supposed to be using the *US Constitution*.  The one that was ratified in 1781 by thirteen colonies.  The one that contains the BILL of RIGHTS!  The one that says that the writ of habeas corpus shall not be denied.  The one that provides checks on each of three CO-EQUAL branches of the federal government.  The one that bars illegal search and seizure.  The one that establishes freedom of the press.  The one that bars cruel and unusual punishment (Amendament 8), then immediately after (Amendment 9) says that the Constitution shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146212', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluestocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first read this, I sat there completely stunned and thoroughly flabbergasted as my jaw dropped to the floor (metaphorically speaking) and my eyes bugged out of my head.  Then I started laughing -- but only because I knew that if I didn&#039;t start laughing, I&#039;d either start sobbing or screaming.

Am I the only one who&#039;s starting to feel as if she&#039;s been drop-kicked into a real-life version of Terry Gilliam&#039;s movie &quot;Brazil&quot;?  (Other than Terry himself, that is -- bet he didn&#039;t think that his movie would turn out to be quite this prophetic...)

The colossal gall of this administration never ceases to amaze me.  Just when I think that they cannot possibly sink any lower into the mire of hypocrisy, mendacity, and irrationality in which they are already up to their eyeballs...they do.  I don&#039;t know how they can possibly manage to breathe through that muck without choking, suffocating, or drowning themselves -- but they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first read this, I sat there completely stunned and thoroughly flabbergasted as my jaw dropped to the floor (metaphorically speaking) and my eyes bugged out of my head.  Then I started laughing &#8212; but only because I knew that if I didn&#8217;t start laughing, I&#8217;d either start sobbing or screaming.</p>
<p>Am I the only one who&#8217;s starting to feel as if she&#8217;s been drop-kicked into a real-life version of Terry Gilliam&#8217;s movie &#8220;Brazil&#8221;?  (Other than Terry himself, that is &#8212; bet he didn&#8217;t think that his movie would turn out to be quite this prophetic&#8230;)</p>
<p>The colossal gall of this administration never ceases to amaze me.  Just when I think that they cannot possibly sink any lower into the mire of hypocrisy, mendacity, and irrationality in which they are already up to their eyeballs&#8230;they do.  I don&#8217;t know how they can possibly manage to breathe through that muck without choking, suffocating, or drowning themselves &#8212; but they do.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146210', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-3/#comment-4146209</link>
		<dc:creator>Keltoi at Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An open minded person would simply read the recommended work and judge itâ€™s relevance on itâ€™s own merits. Connecting the author to Al Gore, and not in a positive way, without an impartial reading is, frankly, a â€œtroll tacticâ€.

Comment by pete â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:44 pm

Which is what I intend to do out of respect for Annie.  I&#039;ll try it, anyway.

Pete, you seem like a fair man, I appreciate it.  I have spent all day on several threads arguing with Bartlebee about whether I am who I am or not, guess I am burnt.

But, Mercifully, it ends here - I am ready for some FOOTBALL!

GO STEELERS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An open minded person would simply read the recommended work and judge itâ€™s relevance on itâ€™s own merits. Connecting the author to Al Gore, and not in a positive way, without an impartial reading is, frankly, a â€œtroll tacticâ€.</p>
<p>Comment by pete â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:44 pm</p>
<p>Which is what I intend to do out of respect for Annie.  I&#8217;ll try it, anyway.</p>
<p>Pete, you seem like a fair man, I appreciate it.  I have spent all day on several threads arguing with Bartlebee about whether I am who I am or not, guess I am burnt.</p>
<p>But, Mercifully, it ends here &#8211; I am ready for some FOOTBALL!</p>
<p>GO STEELERS!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146209', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/05/musharraf-freedom/comment-page-3/#comment-4146206</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;When we needed to deal with the terrorists, and we had the capital, Bush ran from where Bin Laden was, and decided to pick on the smallest most defenseless country he could find, and he couldnâ€™t even that one!&lt;/em&gt;

Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:45 pm

Ah! But one must always remember that Shrub is, above all, a bully. In that light his actions make a certain amount of sense. It&#039;s a twisted and perverted sense, to non-bullies, but it does make his actions more understandable. Unsupportable but understandable. 

BTW, I think that the inevitable biography of Georgie should be called, &quot;Bully, son of Wimp&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>When we needed to deal with the terrorists, and we had the capital, Bush ran from where Bin Laden was, and decided to pick on the smallest most defenseless country he could find, and he couldnâ€™t even that one!</em></p>
<p>Comment by BARTLEBEE â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:45 pm</p>
<p>Ah! But one must always remember that Shrub is, above all, a bully. In that light his actions make a certain amount of sense. It&#8217;s a twisted and perverted sense, to non-bullies, but it does make his actions more understandable. Unsupportable but understandable. </p>
<p>BTW, I think that the inevitable biography of Georgie should be called, &#8220;Bully, son of Wimp&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146206', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Aaaaaaaa!!!

Okay: Leftside Annie, who I dare anyone to call a troll, recommended a book to me by Naomi Wolf. The totality of my knowledge of the woman is that Al Gore hired her as a consultant and an internal memo written by her leaked to the press where SHE said Al Gore had to project more of an Alpha Male image. So if anything, Wolf emascualted Al Gore.

But no, it is all a nefarious, yea â€œsublty brilliantâ€ plot on behalf of an â€œuberâ€ troll who pretends to be a moderate, a friendly one even, while actually I am operating multiple screen names in a cubby at the NSA in an effort to destroy Think Progress.

COME ON!

&lt;/em&gt;Comment by Keltoi at Night â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

All of which has, precisely, nothing to do with the discussion. There is a tendency, of people on the right, to use Al Gore as a bogey man. That argument doesn&#039;t fly here.

An open minded person would simply read the recommended work and judge it&#039;s relevance on it&#039;s own merits. Connecting the author to Al Gore, and not in a positive way, without an impartial reading is, frankly, a &quot;troll tactic&quot;.

Furthermore, I don&#039;t give much weight to the &quot;troll conspiracy&quot;. You seem to be ascribing behavior to me based on the words of others. Another &quot;troll tactic&quot;. As I said before, I choose not to think of things in an us vs. them vein. I think that there are people of good will on both sides of the political spectrum. Just because I have formed an opinion that Bushco, and the neocons, are dark and dangerous groups doesn&#039;t mean I ascribe those traits to anyone who disagrees with me. That too would be a &quot;troll tactic&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Aaaaaaaa!!!</p>
<p>Okay: Leftside Annie, who I dare anyone to call a troll, recommended a book to me by Naomi Wolf. The totality of my knowledge of the woman is that Al Gore hired her as a consultant and an internal memo written by her leaked to the press where SHE said Al Gore had to project more of an Alpha Male image. So if anything, Wolf emascualted Al Gore.</p>
<p>But no, it is all a nefarious, yea â€œsublty brilliantâ€ plot on behalf of an â€œuberâ€ troll who pretends to be a moderate, a friendly one even, while actually I am operating multiple screen names in a cubby at the NSA in an effort to destroy Think Progress.</p>
<p>COME ON!</p>
<p></em>Comment by Keltoi at Night â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:18 pm</p>
<p>All of which has, precisely, nothing to do with the discussion. There is a tendency, of people on the right, to use Al Gore as a bogey man. That argument doesn&#8217;t fly here.</p>
<p>An open minded person would simply read the recommended work and judge it&#8217;s relevance on it&#8217;s own merits. Connecting the author to Al Gore, and not in a positive way, without an impartial reading is, frankly, a &#8220;troll tactic&#8221;.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I don&#8217;t give much weight to the &#8220;troll conspiracy&#8221;. You seem to be ascribing behavior to me based on the words of others. Another &#8220;troll tactic&#8221;. As I said before, I choose not to think of things in an us vs. them vein. I think that there are people of good will on both sides of the political spectrum. Just because I have formed an opinion that Bushco, and the neocons, are dark and dangerous groups doesn&#8217;t mean I ascribe those traits to anyone who disagrees with me. That too would be a &#8220;troll tactic&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146198', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m with you, about 96%, on this one Bart. I donâ€™t know that Al Quaida per see is the chief danger in Pakistan. However, the unrest is a huge, real, threat. I remember thinking, when Bin Ladenâ€™s apparent move to Pakistan became an open secret, why we wouldnâ€™t work with our â€œfriendsâ€ to bring him to justice. Indeed, one could make the argument that American troops in Pakistan would have had a better effect than the overthrow of the Taliban.
Comment by pete â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:25 pm

Well, the Pakis have lost lots of soldiers fighting the Tribes in Waziristan.  Those guys are tough bastards and their home is the most inhospitable place on Earth.  It is like fighting the Apaches on their turf.  Pakistan also has 160 million people as opposed to Afghanistan&#039;s 25 million....I dunno.  Pakistan is indeed a nightmare, I am not sure just how much power we have over events there.  They were our allies against the Sovs, we got into a mutual pissing match in the 90&#039;s over their nuke program, then 911 happened....a long and complicated relationship.  On the plus side, Pakistan and India have cooled their jets somewhat, but the place is a nuclear powder keg no matter how you slice it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m with you, about 96%, on this one Bart. I donâ€™t know that Al Quaida per see is the chief danger in Pakistan. However, the unrest is a huge, real, threat. I remember thinking, when Bin Ladenâ€™s apparent move to Pakistan became an open secret, why we wouldnâ€™t work with our â€œfriendsâ€ to bring him to justice. Indeed, one could make the argument that American troops in Pakistan would have had a better effect than the overthrow of the Taliban.<br />
Comment by pete â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:25 pm</p>
<p>Well, the Pakis have lost lots of soldiers fighting the Tribes in Waziristan.  Those guys are tough bastards and their home is the most inhospitable place on Earth.  It is like fighting the Apaches on their turf.  Pakistan also has 160 million people as opposed to Afghanistan&#8217;s 25 million&#8230;.I dunno.  Pakistan is indeed a nightmare, I am not sure just how much power we have over events there.  They were our allies against the Sovs, we got into a mutual pissing match in the 90&#8217;s over their nuke program, then 911 happened&#8230;.a long and complicated relationship.  On the plus side, Pakistan and India have cooled their jets somewhat, but the place is a nuclear powder keg no matter how you slice it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146188', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duh, that was gummitch, not Bartlebee, sorry gummitch, I should have noticed the difference in style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh, that was gummitch, not Bartlebee, sorry gummitch, I should have noticed the difference in style.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146181', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duuuuuude, her major claim to her 15 minutes is that sheâ€™s a successful author, starting with The Beauty Myth in 1991 and leading through several other books up to the one recommended to you. Her period as a consultant to the Gore campaign was a blip in her career.

Comment by gummitch â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:16 pm

There!  See?  I learned something from you, and you even managed not to call me stupid because you knew something I didn&#039;t.  I will try to get ahold of her book as well.

Honest, Bartlebee, you suffer the same syndrome that Ann Coulter does.  You are so ascerbic in your approach that if you were in a position to persuade someone you fail because of your condescension.  The same is true of Tripmaster Monkey; the guy is freakin brilliant, but his tone is so sneering he turns people away instead of bringing them to his point of view.  This does not serve the Progressive agenda.  Since I am not a Progressive it is fine with me, but you might listen to Pete.

And Pete - watch out for me.  I am one of THEM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duuuuuude, her major claim to her 15 minutes is that sheâ€™s a successful author, starting with The Beauty Myth in 1991 and leading through several other books up to the one recommended to you. Her period as a consultant to the Gore campaign was a blip in her career.</p>
<p>Comment by gummitch â€” November 5, 2007 @ 8:16 pm</p>
<p>There!  See?  I learned something from you, and you even managed not to call me stupid because you knew something I didn&#8217;t.  I will try to get ahold of her book as well.</p>
<p>Honest, Bartlebee, you suffer the same syndrome that Ann Coulter does.  You are so ascerbic in your approach that if you were in a position to persuade someone you fail because of your condescension.  The same is true of Tripmaster Monkey; the guy is freakin brilliant, but his tone is so sneering he turns people away instead of bringing them to his point of view.  This does not serve the Progressive agenda.  Since I am not a Progressive it is fine with me, but you might listen to Pete.</p>
<p>And Pete &#8211; watch out for me.  I am one of THEM.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146179', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, about 96%, on this one Bart. I don&#039;t know that Al Quaida per see is the chief danger in Pakistan. However, the unrest is a huge, real, threat. I remember thinking, when Bin Laden&#039;s apparent move to Pakistan became an open secret, why we wouldn&#039;t work with our &quot;friends&quot; to bring him to justice. Indeed, one could make the argument that American troops in Pakistan would have had a better effect than the overthrow of the Taliban.

As for the fear of nukes in the hands of criminals, it appears to be all but accomplished. Just another example of Bushco&#039;s ability to make, virtually, any problem worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, about 96%, on this one Bart. I don&#8217;t know that Al Quaida per see is the chief danger in Pakistan. However, the unrest is a huge, real, threat. I remember thinking, when Bin Laden&#8217;s apparent move to Pakistan became an open secret, why we wouldn&#8217;t work with our &#8220;friends&#8221; to bring him to justice. Indeed, one could make the argument that American troops in Pakistan would have had a better effect than the overthrow of the Taliban.</p>
<p>As for the fear of nukes in the hands of criminals, it appears to be all but accomplished. Just another example of Bushco&#8217;s ability to make, virtually, any problem worse.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146176', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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