Bolton: Defining torture is ‘torture.’
Bolton: Defining torture is ‘torture.’
In an interview on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show yesterday, former UN Ambassador John Bolton complained about the tone of “battles that are going on in Washington” now. As an example, he cited the opposition to Michael Mukasey, who refused to call waterboarding torture. Apparently lacking irony, Bolton then described the confirmation process for Mukasey as a “kind of torture“:
Well, I hope not, because I think one of the consequences of the battles that are going on in Washington now over, for example, the confirmation of Judge Mukasey as the new Attorney General, which I think is now likely to go through, is that people will say I’m not going to serve in the government. I’m not going to put myself and my family through this kind of torture, which is designed to pick people apart and not disagree with them on policy, but just find ways of preventing their nomination from being confirmed.
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Kucinich has introduced a resolution to impeach Cheney. The House is currently voting on a motion brought forth by Steny Hoyer to table the resolution. Vote currently stands at: 170 ‘yea’ (table (kill) the resolution), to 242 ‘nay’ (let the resolution proceed to the floor).
November 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHALLELUJAH!!
November 6th, 2007 at 3:54 pmBolton is a professional interviewee at this point. And watch out, he’s on the BBC constantly defining our nation for the world.
November 6th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWhat a colossal warmongering, traitorous IDIOT he is!
November 6th, 2007 at 3:54 pmBolton has the same problem defining “torture” as Giuliani has — only Giuliani thinks that term applies to campaigning for president.
Maybe we need to waterboard them BOTH until they can see the difference between real torture and just living by the political sword.
November 6th, 2007 at 3:55 pmwould someone from our justice department please explain why this man isn’t under committed medical care in a facility that can deal with those likely to be a danger to others?
November 6th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI’ll tell you what, ask the Mukasey family which type of torture they would prefer. Waterboarding or intense questioning? Hmmm… what a dilemma.
November 6th, 2007 at 3:58 pmKucinich has introduced a resolution to impeach Cheney. The House is currently voting on a motion brought forth by Steny Hoyer to table the resolution. Vote currently stands at: 170 ‘yea’ (table (kill) the resolution), to 242 ‘nay’ (let the resolution proceed to the floor).
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 6, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
So, Repubs want to debate it, an odd political ploy. What is your take on that tactic, Trip?
November 6th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAnd to think that Tommy Franks called Dougie Feith “the dumbest f8ck on the planet.” Does Franks know Bolton?
November 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pmthe process is designed to prevent some ideological nut from getting into a powerful position, you dolt!
November 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThese guys are jaw-dropping nasty/stupid.
It’s like some right-wing dingbat complaining that foul language is as bad as blowing the living sh*t out of someone.
And now, simply pushing a potential AG for definitive answers as as bad as physical torture. Orwell would be speechless at this point.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:05 pmComment by Keltoi — November 6, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
I’m guessing that by keeping it on the floor they can put the moderate democrats on the spot. They can also introduce their attachments to it. I forget what it was but they have prepared something and wouldn’t be able to attach it if the bill goes to committee (and death) like Hoyer wants.
The talk of impeachment puts the dem leaders in a bad spot. They had it “off the table” and now they would have to be on record for or against it.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmFilling someone’s mouth and nose with water until they go unconscious – torture. Keeping prisoners awake for days, standing, using cold water, music, and bright lights – torture. Shoving someone in a sleeping bag and beating them to death with hammers – torture. Stripping prisoners naked, stacking them, urinating on them, and attacking them with dogs – torture. Asking questions at a Congressional hearing – not torture.
Anyone who has tortured in the name of America, and those who ordered that torture, must be held accountable for their crimes against humanity. There is no statute of limitation on grotesque crimes like these.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:13 pmSo, being for or against torture is not a “policy issue”? What the Bloody Hell is it??
November 6th, 2007 at 4:13 pmI thought Bolton said ‘Free Mustache rides are torture.’ Must have been a mis-quote.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pmfletc3her
Anyone who has tortured, and those who ordered that torture, must be held accountable for their crimes against humanity. There is no statute of limitation on grotesque crimes like these.
Fixed that for you.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:16 pmMaybe if appropriate candidates were put forth, instead of political cronies, the process would go as smooth as silk.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:17 pmOT – Kucinich’s resolution HAS PASSED! The vote to impeach Cheney will CONTINUE!!! Oddly, he had MAJORITY Republican support. Obviously the Republicans want this debate for a tactical reason. We have to MAKE THEM PAY for that decision. We have to make it BACKFIRE. Kucinich is a NATIONAL HERO. More courage in his small stature then the Democratic leadership combined.
Now we must ABSOLUTELY BURY our Reps. in Phone calls & email and DEMAND Dick Cheney be impeached. Round 1 goes to the Democratic Presidential candidate without fear, Dennis Kucinich!!
PS…TP, get up to speed, this is THE story and you’re behind the curve!
November 6th, 2007 at 4:18 pmI guess Ned Flanders is having problems at home.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWHY IS THINK PROGRESS NOT COVERING THE REAL NEWS OF THE DAY?
November 6th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe House is now voting on the motion to refer the resolution to committee (i.e., resolution limbo/death). Five minute vote….
November 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pmThe talk of impeachment puts the dem leaders in a bad spot. They had it “off the table†and now they would have to be on record for or against it.
Comment by hellinabucket — November 6, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Let’s hope they choose to do the right thing. A District Attorney has to decide to prosecute a suspect if law enforcement has arrested said suspect with evidence he committed a crime — or not prosecute, if he feels the evidence is insufficient. Either way, he has to make a decision.
Our congressmen and women are now in that same position. They can choose to pursue the course of impeachment, examining all evidence, or if they just quietly cave and let it go — effectively rendering Cheney immune for the balance of his term.
Let’s hope they do what’s right for the country.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#23 WHY IS THINK PROGRESS NOT COVERING THE REAL NEWS OF THE DAY?
Comment by Spudge Boy — November 6, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Why aren’t ANY of the big blogs covering this??
November 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#24, Update. This is the Hoyer recommendation to refer to comittee… If this vote fails, debate continues in the house. Right now, it’s close…
November 6th, 2007 at 4:26 pmBecause it gives validity to Kucinich. None of the “big blogs” think he can win.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThe Kucinich resolution is going to the Judiciary Committee. 217/193
November 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI thought Bolton said ‘Free Mustache rides are torture.’ Must have been a mis-quote.
Comment by Squegeeboo — November 6, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
I think it is a mis-quote. It would have been any female foolish enough to take him up on the offer who would consider the procedure “torture”.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pmApparently lacking irony, Bolton then described the confirmation process for Mukasey as a “kind of torture“
Apparently??? OF COURSE Bolton is lacking irony. Tighty-righties typically suffer from an “irony deficiency”.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:32 pmThe people aren’t voting numb nutz. These are representatives that haven’t been doing a real good job of representing lately, so no you won’t see where “the people” really stand. You will see where a bunch of representatives stand.
Also, you won’t get a real vote. It is going to the Judiciary Committee.
Catch up before you shove your foot in your mouth.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:32 pm#29 Because it gives validity to Kucinich. None of the “big blogs†think he can win.
Comment by Spudge Boy — November 6, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Well, that’s pretty sad, considering that’s NOT the point.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pmJust curious, but why is the vote to impeach Cheney but not Bush?
November 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmUpdate at 4:25 p.m. ET: The vote to decide to vote (yes, you read that right) just ended. By a 218-194 margin, the House has to vote on whether to send the resolution to the Judiciary Committee. That’s happening right now.
Comment by TCDon — November 6, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Is it just me, or is legislative procedure particularly excruciating? A vote to decide to vote is as bad as a meeting to plan a meeting.
No matter. Eventually, after all of this procedure, our elected officials are going to have to sh!t or get off the pot.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:37 pm35 – Ooops, too late, Spudge – that foot’s in all the way up to the KNEE.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:37 pmNew post/thread on impeachment…
November 6th, 2007 at 4:38 pm38 – from what I understand on that question: if they successfully impeach Bush, then CHENEY is POTUS.
Yikes.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:38 pmThe Kucinich resolution is going to the Judiciary Committee. 217/193
Comment by Theresa — November 6, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Wow. This is some serious inside baseball. What have the Repbubs got up their sleeve? This is obviously some twisted chess move, but I can’t figure the angle…..do they think debating the issue will make the Democrats look foolish?
I can’t wait for the next Dem debate to hear Kucinich crow about this.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:38 pmImpeaching Bush first makes Cheney president. AT that point, knowing that he would be next, Cheney would declare martial law and bomb Iran in one fell swoop.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:40 pmNow they’ll all have to VOTE, on the record, whether or not they’ll defend and uphold the Constitution. Conyers, Pelosi and Hoyer are unAmerican cowards. They don’t care that Cheney lied the country into war. They don’t want to reveal that they don’t care about the Constitution. Now they’ll have to put their cards on the table. Do they support fascist warmonger 9% treasonous Cheney? Or do they support the Constitution? I bet they’re all wetting their pants.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pmJust curious, but why is the vote to impeach Cheney but not Bush?
Comment by Badmoodman — November 6, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Very simple. Cheney is the one with the power, and he’s the one who’s driving the exec branch engine.
Impeaching and removing Bush first just puts Cheney in the Oval Office.
They BOTH need to go, for the good of the country. But getting rid of Cheney first allows for another veep to be appointed before Bush goes — someone people will accept as president. Otherwise Nancy gets the spot.
Remember 1973 and 1974? Imagine if Nixon had gone before Agnew…
November 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pmDuring the last Democratic “debate” Kucinich TWICE said that impeachment is necessary to save the country. EVERY CANDIDATE on the stage IGNORED HIM. They pretended he didn’t exist. Tim Russert and Chris Matthews asked no follow up question. Nor did they ask the other candidates where they stand on impeachment. This was the telling moment of the evening. Cowards. Each and every one of them.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:45 pmThis arrogrant MONSTER was being interviewed on Thom Hartmann’s program, 11/6/07 (will be at his website -thomhartmann.com) probably in a few days, but I digress):
THIS ARROGANT MONSTER was beating the war drums on IRAN…he was very rude and arrogant and very frightening. He kept talking about
November 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pm“no surrender”,etc., – enuf said. He wants to sell a book and make money. — I ask why, because if we follow Bolten’s trek, there ain’t going to be anyone around to read it, nor will Bolten enjoy the money he thinks he can make off of it.
#48 This is precisely why no candidate up there deserves to be president. They refuse to acknowledge what’s really going on and want to paint things their way – the establishment way. They’re all (except Kucinich, Gravel & Paul) ignoring the huge elephants in the room right now because they’re scared shitless about their vote coming back to whiplash them. Pussies all of them and certainly not deserving of our support.
Hopefully, this cadre of establishment locksteppers is NOT all we have to choose from in 08 or it will become a case of choosing the “lesser of two evils”. This democracy deserves better than the paltry group of sycophants and spineless dolts who parade before us.
November 6th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIn the official vote just a while ago, I don’t see Hillary or Obama voting the right way. Spineless insider/establishment whimps!
November 6th, 2007 at 5:29 pmNEXT plane to Gitmo for this fool!
November 6th, 2007 at 6:18 pmIsn’t it something how as soon as this a-clown Bolton was shown the door on a one way ticket out of our government, we reached a peaceful solution in North Korea and their nuclear reactor is being disassembled at this very moment?
November 6th, 2007 at 7:07 pmBolton should just go and take his wife to another gang bang and go disappear forever.
Yes, Confirmation hearings are, such a bore… better to have the president Recess appoint you to the UN… right, Mr. Bolton?
November 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pmHarpoon the walrus.
Buck Fush
November 6th, 2007 at 11:06 pm.
Buck Folton!
Bolton is torture.
On Kucinich and the MSM…
If it don’t make ‘em monie$ it don’t get air/print.
Such is the life in a FASCIST Country.
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