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		<title>By: Bluestocking</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/06/jim-lehrer-sticks-up-for-traditional-media/comment-page-2/#comment-4147475</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluestocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;â€œThe bloggers are talkers, commentators, not reporters. The talk-show hosts are reactors, commentators, not reporters,â€ Lehrer said. â€œThe search engines can search but do not report. All of them, every single one of them, have to have the news in order to exist and thrive.â€&lt;/em&gt;

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Nice sentiments from Jim Lehrer (I&#039;ve always liked his program) -- but the one problem with his statement and the one thing which he doesn&#039;t seem to grasp is that by and large, not even the reporters are really reporters anymore (or at least, not if they work for the MSM).  They&#039;ve become little better than public relations people, spin doctors -- or worse, propaganda merchants.  Admittedly, &quot;yellow journalism&quot; is certainly nothing new -- but the journalists who uphold the true ethics of the profession by attempting to report the &lt;em&gt;facts&lt;/em&gt; as objectively as possible instead of attempting to manipulate the reader into interpreting the events in a certain way -- or not reporting certain events at all for fear of possibly upsetting one or more of the company&#039;s corporate sponsors -- seem to be going the way of the dinosaur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>â€œThe bloggers are talkers, commentators, not reporters. The talk-show hosts are reactors, commentators, not reporters,â€ Lehrer said. â€œThe search engines can search but do not report. All of them, every single one of them, have to have the news in order to exist and thrive.â€</em></p>
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<p>Nice sentiments from Jim Lehrer (I&#8217;ve always liked his program) &#8212; but the one problem with his statement and the one thing which he doesn&#8217;t seem to grasp is that by and large, not even the reporters are really reporters anymore (or at least, not if they work for the MSM).  They&#8217;ve become little better than public relations people, spin doctors &#8212; or worse, propaganda merchants.  Admittedly, &#8220;yellow journalism&#8221; is certainly nothing new &#8212; but the journalists who uphold the true ethics of the profession by attempting to report the <em>facts</em> as objectively as possible instead of attempting to manipulate the reader into interpreting the events in a certain way &#8212; or not reporting certain events at all for fear of possibly upsetting one or more of the company&#8217;s corporate sponsors &#8212; seem to be going the way of the dinosaur.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147475', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re exactly right.  News used to be delivered as a public service.  Then the profiteers came in and realized they could sell it for profit, and the news media have consistently declined ever since.

There are far fewer foreign correspondents (too expensive), far too many inconsequential, frivolous, sensational and titillating news reports (the old &quot;if it bleeds, it leads&quot;) and the consolidation of media ownership have all contributed to the steady deterioration of journalism and consequently, a poorly informed public -- open the doors to the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re exactly right.  News used to be delivered as a public service.  Then the profiteers came in and realized they could sell it for profit, and the news media have consistently declined ever since.</p>
<p>There are far fewer foreign correspondents (too expensive), far too many inconsequential, frivolous, sensational and titillating news reports (the old &#8220;if it bleeds, it leads&#8221;) and the consolidation of media ownership have all contributed to the steady deterioration of journalism and consequently, a poorly informed public &#8212; open the doors to the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, et al.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147452', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: stormy</title>
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		<dc:creator>stormy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is $$$!  
I&#039;m in my mid-50s; my father is a retired jouralist (managing editor of a small city daily). &quot;Back in the Day&quot;, broadcast news was a not for profit operation.  It wasn&#039;t intended to show a profit, if it did...great!.  It was a loss leader.  The networks, CBS,ABC,NBC were true believers the the concept of the &quot;public owns the airwaves&quot; and public service.  The networks never expected a profit from their news division.  Promote the prime time shows (the real money makers...Hell yes).
Since profit entered the equation, they (and the cable &quot;news&quot; outlets want to make $$$.  They realize that good looking anchors draw viewers and celebrity soap operas and SEX will get attention (read viewers). 
I&#039;m just asking that News organizations merely go back to their roots.  &quot;Just the facts, Ma&#039;am&quot;.  Don&#039;t try to tell me what the person &quot;meant&quot; when they said what they said.  The American people are smart enough to know what they meant.
Sorry, I&#039;ll pull down my soapbox now.
Just remember, alternative media is growing for a reason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is $$$!<br />
I&#8217;m in my mid-50s; my father is a retired jouralist (managing editor of a small city daily). &#8220;Back in the Day&#8221;, broadcast news was a not for profit operation.  It wasn&#8217;t intended to show a profit, if it did&#8230;great!.  It was a loss leader.  The networks, CBS,ABC,NBC were true believers the the concept of the &#8220;public owns the airwaves&#8221; and public service.  The networks never expected a profit from their news division.  Promote the prime time shows (the real money makers&#8230;Hell yes).<br />
Since profit entered the equation, they (and the cable &#8220;news&#8221; outlets want to make $$$.  They realize that good looking anchors draw viewers and celebrity soap operas and SEX will get attention (read viewers).<br />
I&#8217;m just asking that News organizations merely go back to their roots.  &#8220;Just the facts, Ma&#8217;am&#8221;.  Don&#8217;t try to tell me what the person &#8220;meant&#8221; when they said what they said.  The American people are smart enough to know what they meant.<br />
Sorry, I&#8217;ll pull down my soapbox now.<br />
Just remember, alternative media is growing for a reason!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147366', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ken melvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert McNeil was 3/4 the team.  Charlene Hunter-Galt the other 1/4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert McNeil was 3/4 the team.  Charlene Hunter-Galt the other 1/4.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147334', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 8thAvatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>8thAvatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jim L as far Blogger and Search engine -do not listen to any talk-show so it&#039;s out of question.

Though that is only partial truth, as for the Consumers/Readers of Blog and Search Engine goes they are getting much diverse opinion than PBS&#039;s news hour.

Also, even with being &quot;Reporter&quot; - and throw decades of experience in it- Majority of &quot;Reporter&quot; has failed miserably from Iraq, Abhu Gahreb, Gitmo, Water boarding, Iraq withdrawl, Housing bubble.
And still failing to bring correct perspective to serious topics like Iran, presidential election..and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jim L as far Blogger and Search engine -do not listen to any talk-show so it&#8217;s out of question.</p>
<p>Though that is only partial truth, as for the Consumers/Readers of Blog and Search Engine goes they are getting much diverse opinion than PBS&#8217;s news hour.</p>
<p>Also, even with being &#8220;Reporter&#8221; &#8211; and throw decades of experience in it- Majority of &#8220;Reporter&#8221; has failed miserably from Iraq, Abhu Gahreb, Gitmo, Water boarding, Iraq withdrawl, Housing bubble.<br />
And still failing to bring correct perspective to serious topics like Iran, presidential election..and so on.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147278', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: A Meeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lehrer is right that blogs need the MSM to thrive due to the fact that blogs don&#039;t have the budgets or the access to do most of the reporting themselves but the success of blogs is due to the circus being in traditional media not blogs.  Also, blogs serve one other crucial purpose: they act as fact checkers, something the MSM particularly despises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lehrer is right that blogs need the MSM to thrive due to the fact that blogs don&#8217;t have the budgets or the access to do most of the reporting themselves but the success of blogs is due to the circus being in traditional media not blogs.  Also, blogs serve one other crucial purpose: they act as fact checkers, something the MSM particularly despises.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147176', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: johnsturgeon</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/06/jim-lehrer-sticks-up-for-traditional-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4147133</link>
		<dc:creator>johnsturgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Other media, like PBS (which broadcasts Jim Lehrerâ€™s NewsHour) are non-profit. With no stock price to worry about, the focus can be on accuracy, relevance, and objectivity instead of sensationalism.

Jim Lehrer is right. While sheeple flock to news sites where they can be entertained, there will always be enough people who want real news. Itâ€™s these people who will ensure there will always be a place for the Jim Lehrers of the world.

Comment by missmolly â€” November 6, 2007 @ 2:02 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lehrer will always have a place.  However, he is not a journalist.  Nor does he speak with acuity about the internets, the medias, or how diverse individuals (professionals and not) use different platforms.

When you interview a Wolfowitz or a Cheney, but fail to ask the obvious questions, the role Lehrer plays is called into question.  


Journalism requires research, and reporting, and in multiple cases, Lehrer&#039;s trademark is in not performing either function.  Lehrer&#039;s function is to refrain from asking pertinent questions.  He then uses his famed &#039;civility&#039; as a guise--because IT is the real product.  

The story of the NewsHour, unfortunately, is inthe questions that are not asked.  The research not performed.  And ultimately, Jim Lehrer is complicit in Bush&#039;s policies, in the direction teh country has taken, and in the resulting damage.  

A &#039;civility&#039; that substitutes for real reporting, and that precludes digging deep enough, is the worst sort of incivility.  It is a costly breach of trust, a violation.  

Jim Lehrer has every opportunity for years to pursue critical stories and ask the right questions.  Far too often, his MO is the abdication of that role, which constantly softens the political costs of Bush&#039;s illegitimate policies.  Facilitating David Brooks&#039; RNC spin-laced fabrications will earn him a special place in hell, made easier to bear by not having to listen to Mark Shields mumble along without laying into the meat of an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Other media, like PBS (which broadcasts Jim Lehrerâ€™s NewsHour) are non-profit. With no stock price to worry about, the focus can be on accuracy, relevance, and objectivity instead of sensationalism.</p>
<p>Jim Lehrer is right. While sheeple flock to news sites where they can be entertained, there will always be enough people who want real news. Itâ€™s these people who will ensure there will always be a place for the Jim Lehrers of the world.</p>
<p>Comment by missmolly â€” November 6, 2007 @ 2:02 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>Lehrer will always have a place.  However, he is not a journalist.  Nor does he speak with acuity about the internets, the medias, or how diverse individuals (professionals and not) use different platforms.</p>
<p>When you interview a Wolfowitz or a Cheney, but fail to ask the obvious questions, the role Lehrer plays is called into question.  </p>
<p>Journalism requires research, and reporting, and in multiple cases, Lehrer&#8217;s trademark is in not performing either function.  Lehrer&#8217;s function is to refrain from asking pertinent questions.  He then uses his famed &#8216;civility&#8217; as a guise&#8211;because IT is the real product.  </p>
<p>The story of the NewsHour, unfortunately, is inthe questions that are not asked.  The research not performed.  And ultimately, Jim Lehrer is complicit in Bush&#8217;s policies, in the direction teh country has taken, and in the resulting damage.  </p>
<p>A &#8216;civility&#8217; that substitutes for real reporting, and that precludes digging deep enough, is the worst sort of incivility.  It is a costly breach of trust, a violation.  </p>
<p>Jim Lehrer has every opportunity for years to pursue critical stories and ask the right questions.  Far too often, his MO is the abdication of that role, which constantly softens the political costs of Bush&#8217;s illegitimate policies.  Facilitating David Brooks&#8217; RNC spin-laced fabrications will earn him a special place in hell, made easier to bear by not having to listen to Mark Shields mumble along without laying into the meat of an issue.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147133', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: johnsturgeon</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/06/jim-lehrer-sticks-up-for-traditional-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4147099</link>
		<dc:creator>johnsturgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though we have come to refer to â€œthe mediaâ€ as a term meaning all news outlets of any kind, THE TERM IS STILL PLURAL. Therefore, â€œthe media areâ€ and â€œthe media doâ€ are correct. And the correct pronoun is â€œtheyâ€, not â€œitâ€.

Comment by missmolly â€” November 6, 2007 @ 1:44 pm

&quot;There are some things up with which I will not put!&quot;
---Winston Churchill

There is the false idea bandied about that civility trumps a warranted outrage.  

Civility is misused to police dissent and paper over the oh-so-civilly conducted substantive betrayal of responsibility by the likes of Lehrer.

Citing or calling for civility to enforce submission or coerce obedience to an illegitimate tyranny is a rationalization complicit in the abuse of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though we have come to refer to â€œthe mediaâ€ as a term meaning all news outlets of any kind, THE TERM IS STILL PLURAL. Therefore, â€œthe media areâ€ and â€œthe media doâ€ are correct. And the correct pronoun is â€œtheyâ€, not â€œitâ€.</p>
<p>Comment by missmolly â€” November 6, 2007 @ 1:44 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;There are some things up with which I will not put!&#8221;<br />
&#8212;Winston Churchill</p>
<p>There is the false idea bandied about that civility trumps a warranted outrage.  </p>
<p>Civility is misused to police dissent and paper over the oh-so-civilly conducted substantive betrayal of responsibility by the likes of Lehrer.</p>
<p>Citing or calling for civility to enforce submission or coerce obedience to an illegitimate tyranny is a rationalization complicit in the abuse of power.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147099', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: davemartin7777</title>
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		<dc:creator>davemartin7777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>missmolly, same here... big Jon Stewart and The Daily Show fan.

That&#039;s exclusively what I watch (tivo&#039;d) when I&#039;m on the elliptical trainer... that and Cobert.

Even when I&#039;m pushing 160bpm and up, I know I&#039;ll still have a smile on my face.

Faux News is for the professional wrestling crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>missmolly, same here&#8230; big Jon Stewart and The Daily Show fan.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exclusively what I watch (tivo&#8217;d) when I&#8217;m on the elliptical trainer&#8230; that and Cobert.</p>
<p>Even when I&#8217;m pushing 160bpm and up, I know I&#8217;ll still have a smile on my face.</p>
<p>Faux News is for the professional wrestling crowd.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147080', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: missmolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>missmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œFreedom of speech isnâ€™t working out so well for liberals now that they arenâ€™t the only ones with a microphone. Itâ€™s not so much fun when the rabbits got the gun!â€

Ann Coulter, 04/10/03

Comment by finallyinsf â€” November 6, 2007 @ 2:14 pm

This sounds like Coultergeist.  By saying this, she implies 1) that only liberals champion free speech, 2) that there was some period of time where only liberals had a &quot;microphone&quot;, and 3) that liberals are against anybody besides them having a right to freedom of speech.

None of these is true, of course.  But as Coulter has figured out (indeed, it&#039;s the tentpole of her career), a strawman such as this doesn&#039;t need to have any basis in fact.  Set up strawman, knock it down, act as if you have somehow scored points against the evil liberals.

But Ann Coulter isn&#039;t a reporter, she&#039;s a commentator.  She&#039;s part of the sensationalist &quot;news as entertainment&quot; crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œFreedom of speech isnâ€™t working out so well for liberals now that they arenâ€™t the only ones with a microphone. Itâ€™s not so much fun when the rabbits got the gun!â€</p>
<p>Ann Coulter, 04/10/03</p>
<p>Comment by finallyinsf â€” November 6, 2007 @ 2:14 pm</p>
<p>This sounds like Coultergeist.  By saying this, she implies 1) that only liberals champion free speech, 2) that there was some period of time where only liberals had a &#8220;microphone&#8221;, and 3) that liberals are against anybody besides them having a right to freedom of speech.</p>
<p>None of these is true, of course.  But as Coulter has figured out (indeed, it&#8217;s the tentpole of her career), a strawman such as this doesn&#8217;t need to have any basis in fact.  Set up strawman, knock it down, act as if you have somehow scored points against the evil liberals.</p>
<p>But Ann Coulter isn&#8217;t a reporter, she&#8217;s a commentator.  She&#8217;s part of the sensationalist &#8220;news as entertainment&#8221; crowd.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4147019', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: missmolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>missmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a fan of Jon Stewart and The Daily Show.  There ARE times when I want my news in the form of entertainment, and TDS is quite honest about delivering it in that format (heck, they even call themselves &quot;fake news&quot; -- let&#039;s see Fox News admit to that!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan of Jon Stewart and The Daily Show.  There ARE times when I want my news in the form of entertainment, and TDS is quite honest about delivering it in that format (heck, they even call themselves &#8220;fake news&#8221; &#8212; let&#8217;s see Fox News admit to that!).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146998', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: davemartin7777</title>
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		<dc:creator>davemartin7777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bump to missmolly #34

Well said.

I&#039;ve been a viewer of NewsHour for decades now.

It&#039;s news and opinion minus the bullshit.

Melanie Morgan got herself permanently banned from NH because her hackery and venom in not acceptable in that format.

That means that don&#039;t mind losing the eyeballs of the red-state, Reich-wingnuts in order to maintain legitimacy, unlike most of commercial teevee.

Yeah David Brock is an ass and that&#039;s why Mark Shields often rips him a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bump to missmolly #34</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a viewer of NewsHour for decades now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s news and opinion minus the bullshit.</p>
<p>Melanie Morgan got herself permanently banned from NH because her hackery and venom in not acceptable in that format.</p>
<p>That means that don&#8217;t mind losing the eyeballs of the red-state, Reich-wingnuts in order to maintain legitimacy, unlike most of commercial teevee.</p>
<p>Yeah David Brock is an ass and that&#8217;s why Mark Shields often rips him a new one.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146983', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keltoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article on this topic in the NYT today

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/business/media/06msnb.html?ex=1195016400&amp;en=e2ed41f168e7de8e&amp;ei=5065&amp;partner=MYWAY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article on this topic in the NYT today</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/business/media/06msnb.html?ex=1195016400&amp;en=e2ed41f168e7de8e&amp;ei=5065&amp;partner=MYWAY" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/business/media/06msnb.html?ex=1195016400&amp;en=e2ed41f168e7de8e&amp;ei=5065&amp;partner=MYWAY</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146982', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cshideler</title>
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		<dc:creator>cshideler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is great about new media is that you have impassioned, opinionated people that are able to ditch the veil of impartiality that never really holds true anyway, and present facts and opinions together on issues coming from all places in the political spectrum.  Bloggers, TV (via Youtube) and now radio hosts (via Blog Talk Radio), are able to report controversial news without worrying about how it will affect their audience or sponsors.  

I recommend shows like Lightning Strikes at Blog Talk Radio (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lightningstrikes) for a fresh take on news, entertainment, and technology from media personalities, from a voice not afraid to talk about touchy issues.  In fact, on November 12th they&#039;ll be featuring Robert Jensen, author of &quot;Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity&quot; as well as &quot;The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege&quot;- two books focusing on issues that are refused mainstream national attention but I am curious to hear about.  Opening up dialogues about gender roles and race (especially white privilege) is a necessary step toward change and growth- and it&#039;s happening only in new media!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is great about new media is that you have impassioned, opinionated people that are able to ditch the veil of impartiality that never really holds true anyway, and present facts and opinions together on issues coming from all places in the political spectrum.  Bloggers, TV (via Youtube) and now radio hosts (via Blog Talk Radio), are able to report controversial news without worrying about how it will affect their audience or sponsors.  </p>
<p>I recommend shows like Lightning Strikes at Blog Talk Radio (<a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lightningstrikes" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lightningstrikes</a>) for a fresh take on news, entertainment, and technology from media personalities, from a voice not afraid to talk about touchy issues.  In fact, on November 12th they&#8217;ll be featuring Robert Jensen, author of &#8220;Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity&#8221; as well as &#8220;The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege&#8221;- two books focusing on issues that are refused mainstream national attention but I am curious to hear about.  Opening up dialogues about gender roles and race (especially white privilege) is a necessary step toward change and growth- and it&#8217;s happening only in new media!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146945', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/04/bill-moyers-on-whats-wrong-with-our-media/
&lt;em&gt;Four years ago, without public input, the FCC rolled back 30 yr old rules that limited a single companyâ€™s ability to be able to dominate local TV, newspaper and radio media markets. Thankfully, the rules changes triggered a massive public response and through legislation and lawsuit, they were defeated. &lt;strong&gt;Now FCC chair Kevin Martin is attempting to do it again by trying to push through a similar set of changes allowing further media consolidation as soon as December 18.&lt;/strong&gt; This time, we neednâ€™t wait until we have been sandbagged. You can help by contacting Congress and the FCC now to stop Kevin Martin before he gets away with slipping this one by us.
&lt;/em&gt;
go here for links:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/04/bill-moyers-on-whats-wrong-with-our-media/

listening to ed schults while driving yesterday... he was ranting about the latest report (what i posted above)... and that martin has stepped up the schedule to november... this guy is out to strangle whatever hold the people have on the truth...
he needs to be stopped.

you can help.  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commoncause.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&amp;b=2118613&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tell the FCC: No More Media Consolidation!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commoncause.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&amp;b=3486873&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Contact your Representative&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/04/bill-moyers-on-whats-wrong-with-our-media/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/04/bill-moyers-on-whats-wrong-with-our-media/</a><br />
<em>Four years ago, without public input, the FCC rolled back 30 yr old rules that limited a single companyâ€™s ability to be able to dominate local TV, newspaper and radio media markets. Thankfully, the rules changes triggered a massive public response and through legislation and lawsuit, they were defeated. <strong>Now FCC chair Kevin Martin is attempting to do it again by trying to push through a similar set of changes allowing further media consolidation as soon as December 18.</strong> This time, we neednâ€™t wait until we have been sandbagged. You can help by contacting Congress and the FCC now to stop Kevin Martin before he gets away with slipping this one by us.<br />
</em><br />
go here for links:<br />
<a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/04/bill-moyers-on-whats-wrong-with-our-media/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/04/bill-moyers-on-whats-wrong-with-our-media/</a></p>
<p>listening to ed schults while driving yesterday&#8230; he was ranting about the latest report (what i posted above)&#8230; and that martin has stepped up the schedule to november&#8230; this guy is out to strangle whatever hold the people have on the truth&#8230;<br />
he needs to be stopped.</p>
<p>you can help.<br />
<a href="http://www.commoncause.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&amp;b=2118613" rel="nofollow">Tell the FCC: No More Media Consolidation!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.commoncause.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&amp;b=3486873" rel="nofollow">Contact your Representative</a><br />
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/06/jim-lehrer-sticks-up-for-traditional-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4146931</link>
		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are such a moron, it must hurt you to try to remember your name.

Comment by Lefty Patriot â€” November 6, 2007 @ 1:46 pm

Hah!  You want to see pain, watch him try to SPELL it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are such a moron, it must hurt you to try to remember your name.</p>
<p>Comment by Lefty Patriot â€” November 6, 2007 @ 1:46 pm</p>
<p>Hah!  You want to see pain, watch him try to SPELL it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146931', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: missmolly</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/06/jim-lehrer-sticks-up-for-traditional-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4146924</link>
		<dc:creator>missmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all, the media does not engage in social service - itâ€™s a profit making enterprise that deserves every chance at succeeding and failing.

Comment by hits â€” November 6, 2007 @ 1:03 pm

Some media are strictly about making a profit.  They don&#039;t care about what stories they report (or, in some cases, how accurately they are reported), as long as people flock to watch.

Other media, like PBS (which broadcasts Jim Lehrer&#039;s NewsHour) are non-profit.  With no stock price to worry about, the focus can be on accuracy, relevance, and objectivity instead of sensationalism.

Jim Lehrer is right.  While sheeple flock to news sites where they can be entertained, there will always be enough people who want real news.  It&#039;s these people who will ensure there will always be a place for the Jim Lehrers of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all, the media does not engage in social service &#8211; itâ€™s a profit making enterprise that deserves every chance at succeeding and failing.</p>
<p>Comment by hits â€” November 6, 2007 @ 1:03 pm</p>
<p>Some media are strictly about making a profit.  They don&#8217;t care about what stories they report (or, in some cases, how accurately they are reported), as long as people flock to watch.</p>
<p>Other media, like PBS (which broadcasts Jim Lehrer&#8217;s NewsHour) are non-profit.  With no stock price to worry about, the focus can be on accuracy, relevance, and objectivity instead of sensationalism.</p>
<p>Jim Lehrer is right.  While sheeple flock to news sites where they can be entertained, there will always be enough people who want real news.  It&#8217;s these people who will ensure there will always be a place for the Jim Lehrers of the world.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146924', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the days of our founding, the press has been assigned the mission as guardian of the public trust - to search and present the news so as to inform the public.  The fourth estate.

&quot;our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.&quot;  T. Jefferson

A press that is free to investigate and criticize the government is absolutely essential in a nation that practices self-government and is therefore dependent on an educated and enlightened citizenry. On the other hand, newspapers too often take advantage of their freedom and publish lies and scurrilous gossip that could only deceive and mislead the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the days of our founding, the press has been assigned the mission as guardian of the public trust &#8211; to search and present the news so as to inform the public.  The fourth estate.</p>
<p>&#8220;our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.&#8221;  T. Jefferson</p>
<p>A press that is free to investigate and criticize the government is absolutely essential in a nation that practices self-government and is therefore dependent on an educated and enlightened citizenry. On the other hand, newspapers too often take advantage of their freedom and publish lies and scurrilous gossip that could only deceive and mislead the people.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146902', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Evergreen2U</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evergreen2U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t that reporters aren&#039;t reporters its that all the reporters are being replaced by entertainers or being forced to become entertainers by the corporate for profit owners of the mainstream media....(which is only 5 corporations now ...lest we forget).

We used to have laws that told the media they had to have public service news or something like that ...but the corporate cronies did away with that.  Who wants truth and facts when lies and innuendos fear and hate sell better? 

We need to get rid of this overriding corporate influence throughout America.  It is warping us and our future in the name of today&#039;s bottom line.  

 .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t that reporters aren&#8217;t reporters its that all the reporters are being replaced by entertainers or being forced to become entertainers by the corporate for profit owners of the mainstream media&#8230;.(which is only 5 corporations now &#8230;lest we forget).</p>
<p>We used to have laws that told the media they had to have public service news or something like that &#8230;but the corporate cronies did away with that.  Who wants truth and facts when lies and innuendos fear and hate sell better? </p>
<p>We need to get rid of this overriding corporate influence throughout America.  It is warping us and our future in the name of today&#8217;s bottom line.  </p>
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		<title>By: Dumb_Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumb_Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The bloggers are talkers, commentators, not reporters&lt;/em&gt;

Really? Someone tell Judge Walton - he of Scooter Libby fame - who ruled pre-trial that Firedoglake should be granted journalistic rights to report on the case.

Blogger is a term, simply, for someone who writes a blog.

Some report, some commentate, some satirize, some just post pictures. But importantly, some do report - TPM, Firedoglake, Raw Story, Iraqslogger, Michael Yon off the top of my head. Some do it full-time, some do it some of the time.

But to reach blanket a conclusion that bloggers do not report is stupid. Counterfactually, were Lehrer correct, that would mean that any reporter that wrote a blog would have to stop calling himself a reporter. Because bloggers don&#039;t report, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The bloggers are talkers, commentators, not reporters</em></p>
<p>Really? Someone tell Judge Walton &#8211; he of Scooter Libby fame &#8211; who ruled pre-trial that Firedoglake should be granted journalistic rights to report on the case.</p>
<p>Blogger is a term, simply, for someone who writes a blog.</p>
<p>Some report, some commentate, some satirize, some just post pictures. But importantly, some do report &#8211; TPM, Firedoglake, Raw Story, Iraqslogger, Michael Yon off the top of my head. Some do it full-time, some do it some of the time.</p>
<p>But to reach blanket a conclusion that bloggers do not report is stupid. Counterfactually, were Lehrer correct, that would mean that any reporter that wrote a blog would have to stop calling himself a reporter. Because bloggers don&#8217;t report, you know.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4146894', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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