Chavez responds to Cheney.
By on Nov 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Chavez responds to Cheney.
After Vice President Cheney claimed Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is the president of Peru, Chavez “mocked” Cheney, saying the comment shows the United States is governed by a “bunch of ignorant fools”:
“The vice president of the United States was talking about us, but he made a mistake,” Chavez said, laughing. “Since those who govern the United States are a bunch of ignorant fools…he thinks I’m president of Peru.”
“They don’t know where Venezuela is, nor do they know where Peru is,” Chavez told the crowd.
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Not the Frist time Cheney has been called a fool.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmBut don’t he know, our childrens is learning!
November 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWhen you’re governed by fools, there’s no tellin’ what they might say next particularly when they’re “unscripted”. Cheney’s physical health has become problematic and an embarrassment to the american people. His narcolepsy is advancing along with some obvious senile dementia.
As for Bush, everyone cringes when he thinks that he’s being funny or cute – because you KNOW he’s going to say something moronic and always does. As for him, his psychological health is in serious question at the moment.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:16 pmChaves is horribly, terribly correct.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:17 pmHow quickly we forget the people we tried to assassinate.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:20 pmJust cuz we tried to kill the man, he’s still holding a grudge?
November 7th, 2007 at 12:21 pmthe republicans just can’t keep a secret. now the world knows:
cheney is an idiot.
(and don’t let him near a gun).
November 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmNothing like seeing TP quote there favorite Socialist
November 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmCheeeney doesn’t know where HE is much less somewhere Fixed news isn’t…..
November 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmMr. Chavez, may I give you the ‘Well DUH’ award? Tell me something I don’t know already. Cheney’s brain is so well saturated with Evil, he doesn’t have room for Smart…
November 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmAMEN TO THAT CHAVEZ! America is run by a bunch of goodamn traitors.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmNothing like seeing TP quote there favorite Socialist
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Smart politician, yes. Socialist, no.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:25 pmNothing like seeing TP quote there favorite Socialist
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
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Try again, Sparky. Try “their.” Chavez over Bush anyday.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:25 pmSpeaking for ethnic mistakes, did you see the guest list for the Sarkozy dinner? They invited every Louisiana Congress person they could find with French surnames: Breaux. Landrieu, and even Billy Tauzin and Ross Perot. Lots of fluent French speakers there, I’m sure.
Sally Quinn would be interested to know there were many GOP fund raisers there, too.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pmNothing like seeing TP quote there favorite Socialist
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
You’d think that between them the two Rogers could get something right at least occasionally.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmPLC-like spelling?
November 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThere is a difference between “there, “their” and “they’re.”
November 7th, 2007 at 12:34 pmChavez “mocked†Cheney, saying the comment shows the United States is governed by a “bunch of ignorant foolsâ€:
People, don’t fall into the trap.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmThis administration is not incompetent.
Nothing like seeing TP quote there favorite Socialist
Comment by Roger_Roger
But no words about Cheney’s mistake? If Cheney doesn’t know which country he is insulting, and if he cannot stay awake in meetings maybe he needs to take a little time off in his ‘unknown bunker’. I’d be happy if he took the entire year of 2008 off.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmroger roger is is missing missing the the point point once once again again..
November 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmnationalized oil makes roger_roger mad!
November 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“They don’t know where Venezuela is, nor do they know where Peru is,†Chavez told the crowd.
But we know where their heads are. Deep in the dark, twisted recesses of their collective asses.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pm“They don’t know where Venezuela is, nor do they know where Peru is,â€
But they know where the oil is. That’s all that matters, not whether you call yourself the President of Venezuela, Peru or GOP4evahMcJesusLand. Dick will find you if you own so much as a bathtub of black gold.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pmI love this!
November 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pmPLC-like spelling?
Comment by whiteyfresh — November 7, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
at the very least, at the very least
November 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmSo much for the old saying, “two heads are better than one”.
roger
the only thing funnier than TP quoting chavez to mock cheney, is to watch the rabid hyenias jump on you roger for stating the obvious,when the democrats win the election next year, these folks are gonna hafta tone this stuff down this is america people if u like chavez if he;s such a great politician
November 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pmmove there…just like we tell people if they love the iraq war..go fight it
I think Chavez is correct, actually.
Remember when Bush finally figured out Brazil is big? He made himself look like a complete idiot in Germany, saying ‘Wow, I didn’t know Brazil was such a big country!’
November 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pm28 – huh?
Now that is a real load of incomprehensible trolldung if I ever saw it.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmi’m flattered my first insult from one of you nameless left heads…send more use bigger words sweetie
November 7th, 2007 at 12:52 pmNothing like seeing TP quote there favorite Socialist
Comment by Roger_Roger — November 7, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
“there”…?
you’re an idiot too.
(btw, i don’t think “roger_roger” is ever coming back. he’ll be missed.)
November 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmi’ll always be around tho :)
November 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmEven rock stars remember what city they’re playing in when they shout to the crowd, and they’re often drunk/stoned.
You can’t always get the policy you want, but there’s no excuse for voting for stupid.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmComment by iluvobama45 — November 7, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
Put down the huffing rag, dude…that stuff causes brain damage.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmChavez nailed it on the head. Cheney is an idiot.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmjerseyboyblue sez:
Again, no.
jerseyboyblue, please read my previous post.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmCheney is an idiot–but not because of a slip of the tongue, that happens to everyone. He is an idiot for his feeble-minded political/social/ everything philosophy.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmI just plain love Hugo!
November 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmi’m flattered my first insult from one of you nameless left heads…send more use bigger words sweetie
Comment by iluvobama45 — November 7, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Please take your incomprehensible drivel elsewhere. This forum is for educated adults, not three-year-olds banging away randomly at daddy’s keyboard.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by iluvobama45 — November 7, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
You can take your “America: love it or leave it” style approach to dissent and stick in your largest orifice (I’m not sure if that’s your oral or anal opening). We progressives are patriotically critical of our country’s leadership and the direction our country is going because we love the America as envisioned by the founding fathers and established in the U.S. Constitution which has been systematically subjected to deconstruction by the neoconservatives currently in power. And I don’t care if the legitimate criticism comes from a somehow “illegitimate” source. If the criticism is warranted, true patriots will use that critique as information and impetus for restoring our country’s leadership as the greatest political system ever devised.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThe real problem is not the occasional slip of the tongue. It is the constant stream of ignorant statements coming form senior Republicans and their right wing extremist fellow travelers.
We saw a president who decided to invade Iraq without knowing the difference between the various religious sects. Of course, many even believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs lived in harmony with man. We have seen numerous attempts by the Republicans to quash science if it interfered with their political interests.
The fact is that Republicans and their fellow traveling right wing extremists take great pride in being anti-intellectual. Indeed, they love to proclaim their ignorance.
Please, do not be surprised when we laugh at Cheney’s mistake. It is funny but for the fact that authoritarian fools such as roger_roger have cost the US so much of its military, financial and moral strength through their ignorant, know nothing approach.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:14 pmBecause unlike the numbskull you morons elected, this guy actually gets things done.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 7, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Yeah, like shutting down oppostion press, jailing political opponents, amending the Constitution so he can rule for life…I find it interesting that Chavez is actually DOING the things so many at TP fear Bush is doing, as well as making alliances with our avowed enemies, but that is never mentioned.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:23 pmI do not agree with everything Chavez has done but the fact remains that he is spending more of his country’s wealth on the have-nots than his predecessors while our “leaders” are seemingly intent on transferring this country’s wealth to the richest 5%.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:29 pmYeah, like shutting down oppostion press, jailing political opponents, amending the Constitution so he can rule for life…I find it interesting that Chavez is actually DOING the things so many at TP fear Bush is doing, as well as making alliances with our avowed enemies, but that is never mentioned.
Comment by Keltoi — November 7, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Chavez is a weak point for some on the Left. They like what he says (and the offers to provide cheap heating oil to America’s poor), while ignoring what he is actually doing. The fact that he makes comments about Bush leaving a trail of sulfur in the UN should not be allowed to blind us to the more significant fact that the man is power-mad and willing to do anything to retain control. In that way, he is no different than Putin.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pm“Nothing like seeing TP quote there (their) favorite Socialist”
You and Cheney are made for eachother
November 7th, 2007 at 1:31 pmNothing gives Americans the birth right to do the same things that guys like Chavez and have a free ticket. Cheney and Dubya are no better than any other extremist thug.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:41 pmYeah, like shutting down oppostion press, jailing political opponents, amending the Constitution so he can rule for life…I find it interesting that Chavez is actually DOING the things so many at TP fear Bush is doing, as well as making alliances with our avowed enemies, but that is never mentioned.
Comment by Keltoi — November 7, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Keltoi – Bush IS doing those things. Haven’t you been paying attention?
Don’t you get that?
“Opposition press”…what opposition press? The mainstream media in this country merely functions as a stenographer to the White House.
Oh, yes, there ARE exceptions: the internet, bloggers, etc.
However, Bush et. al have absolutely tried to intimidate and silence their political opponents. The marching orders come straight from the Republican Party and the White House.
How else could you explain the outing of Valerie Plame except as an attempt to intimidate any government official who tried to tell the truth…? What about Bill Keller of the NY Times, who blew the whistle on the NSA’s illegal spying program – the rightwing was clamoring for him to be tried and executed for TREASON. What is that – if not intimidation?
How about Rush Limbaugh’s vicious attacks on children – for simply telling their story that SCHIP helped them get the medical care that saved their lives? How about Michelle Malkin’s demented stalking of the Frosts?
Is that not intimidation in an attempt to silence dissent?
If not, what would YOU call it…?
If you read Naomi Wolf’s book, you would understand that Chavez is only a few steps further down the same road that Bush is traveling: the road to fascism.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pmIn that way, he is no different than Putin.
Comment by gummitch — November 7, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Agreed. And like Putin, he will be holding despotic power in his country long after Bush has retired to Crawford.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pmYeah, like shutting down oppostion press, jailing political opponents, amending the Constitution so he can rule for life…I find it interesting that Chavez is actually DOING the things so many at TP fear Bush is doing, as well as making alliances with our avowed enemies, but that is never mentioned.
Comment by Keltoi — November 7, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Oh — you mean like Bush’s lapdog in Pakistan is doing even as we speak? I find it interesting that Musharraf is actually DOING the things so many at RNC HQ fear the terrorists are doing, as well as making alliances with our avowed enemies, but that is never mentioned — by the Bush administration or its troll enablers.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:46 pmKeltoi – what makes you so sure that Bush is going to “retire to Crawford” at all…?
The mechanisms for fascist takeover have been very nearly put in place here in America.
It may already be too late.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmAnd like Putin, he will be holding despotic power in his country long after Bush has retired to Crawford.
Comment by Keltoi — November 7, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
That’s making a HUGE assumpton, isn’t it Keltoi? After all, if Darth Cheney has his way, Bush will NEVER retire to Crawford and will just continue his dictatorship ad infinitum.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmAnnie — obviously, great minds continue to think alike…
November 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmIf you read Naomi Wolf’s book, you would understand that Chavez is only a few steps further down the same road that Bush is traveling: the road to fascism.
Comment by Leftside Annie — November 7, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Thanks for the reminder on the book.
However, if Wolf suggests in her book that “Chavez is only a few steps further down the same road that Bush is traveling” then I may not be able to stomach it. The fact that TP exists and MSNBC is still on the air shows that there is a world of difference between Bush and Chavez – the argument is too empty to even generate much enthusiasm. Bush will be gone in 14 months, Chavez will still be in power in 14 years, you can take that to the bank.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:50 pmOh — you mean like Bush’s lapdog in Pakistan is doing even as we speak? I find it interesting that Musharraf is actually DOING the things so many at RNC HQ fear the terrorists are doing, as well as making alliances with our avowed enemies, but that is never mentioned — by the Bush administration or its troll enablers.
Comment by The Dogfather — November 7, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Not so – the Pakistan situation has been discussed pretty thoroughly here. It is a total mess and I have said as much.
The student protests against Chavez a week or two ago merited nary a thread here at TP.
Reason? Mush is a Bush ally, Hugo is a Bush hater. I agree, their actions are indistinguishable, it is the reaction from the American left that is so telling.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:53 pm61 – Keltoi – that suggestion comes NOT from Naomi Wolf, but from ME.
That’s my opinion, based on a whole lot of reading – including NW’s book.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:59 pmHugo is a populist, military, authoritarian President who has chosen to follow some socialist mechanisms of economy. Hardly, a socialist…hardly from the left.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:00 pmChavez is spot on! North Americans are ignorants when the subject is the rest of the World or the world community. But the War Criminals in the White House have shown over and over again how dumb they are! By invading Iraq, for example… remeber how they said it was going to last weeks, and they would be greeted as liberators, etc, etc… and the people of the United States followed them like sheep! Viva Hugo chavez!
November 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pm61 – And one more thing I’d like to stress:
The fact that Hugo Chavez is what he is – Juan C’s comment at #69 covers it perfectly – has absolutely NO bearing on what the Bush administration is doing to gut our Constitution and Bill of Rights and create a “unitary executive” (aka dictator).
That’s equivalent to saying, “But Bill Clinton did it!!!” — which is a completely bankrupt argument.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:05 pmWhats so telling is how you left out every single thing good Chavez has done when defining his presidency earlier.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Somebody remember the deal he made with the major of London to trade Oil for tech and education?
Somebody remember the pronouncement of the Venezuelan Oil Company, CITGO
And yes, he is an authoritarian Pres. Most of its actions are against dissidents pay by the US.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:08 pmpay s/b paid.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:10 pmFrom here: (great article)
Who recently provided 1.15 million gallons of low-cost heating oil to thousands of poor and working class families in seven East Coast states, including 25,000 people in Philadelphia, and did so with the words,”No one should be forced to sacrifice food, shelter, or medicine to stay warm” ?
a.) King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia b.) Felix Rodriquez c.) George W. Bush d.) Oprah Winfrey e.) 10 major U.S. oil companies.
The correct answer is “b” and Rodriquez is the CEO of Citgo, a subsidiary of Venezuela’s state-run oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela SA (PDVSA). On behalf of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, he also distributed free heating oil to dozens of homeless shelters from Maine to Delaware.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:12 pmThat’s making a HUGE assumpton, isn’t it Keltoi? After all, if Darth Cheney has his way, Bush will NEVER retire to Crawford and will just continue his dictatorship ad infinitum.
Comment by The Dogfather — November 7, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
Well, no, I don’t think it is a huge assumption. We will know pretty soon. Chavez has said he plans to rule til 2027 – he has said it. I have heard no such words or even suggestion of such from Bush. The press would freak. And they would not be shut down.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:17 pmReason? Mush is a Bush ally, Hugo is a Bush hater. I agree, their actions are indistinguishable, it is the reaction from the American left that is so telling.
Comment by Keltoi — November 7, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
The “reaction from the American left” is your own straw man. Believe it or not, we on the left are capable of a nuanced opinion about foreign leaders. We can dislike Chavez’ free-speech and free-assembly policies and still like his land-redistribution and sticking-it-to-Chevron policies.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pmAnd they would not be shut down.
Comment by Keltoi
Like those protesters being held by the police for wearing T-shirts?
November 7th, 2007 at 2:19 pmFrom your article, Juan:
“At the same time, Kennedy said, “when you really stop and think about it, last year, Venezuela sold the United States 556 million barrels of crude oil and product. We are now topping off one-half of 1 percent, which they are selling at 40 percent off, which is effectively last year’s full price. Let’s keep things in some perspective.”
November 7th, 2007 at 2:20 pmWe can dislike Chavez’ free-speech and free-assembly policies and still like his land-redistribution and sticking-it-to-Chevron policies.
Comment by toasterhead — November 7, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Good! My point was, you rarely hear about the former but the latter are trumpeted. Look at this thread alone. Are more TPers bemoaning his authoritarianism or defending him? Those that aren’t just saying Bush is worse anyway, of course…
November 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pmKeltoi, I’m all for perspefctive. Are you?
Maybe your post about the reaction of American left needs some perspective.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pmKeltoi, I’m all for perspefctive. Are you?
Maybe your post about the reaction of American left needs some perspective.
Comment by Juan C. — November 7, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
I retract the catch all nature of the statement, too broad a brush on my part, apologies.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:29 pmGood! My point was, you rarely hear about the former but the latter are trumpeted. Look at this thread alone. Are more TPers bemoaning his authoritarianism or defending him?
Comment by Keltoi — November 7, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
I don’t see TPers in this thread doing much of either. Mostly we’re making fun of Dick Cheney.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThose that aren’t just saying Bush is worse anyway, of course…
Comment by Keltoi
Let me know when Chavez invades a country.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:36 pmIs this a defend-or-condemn Chavez thread? No. Chavez has apparently asserted that our leaders are “ignorant fools”. I’d say it’s hard to assert otherwise.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:38 pmAnother thing – one of the reasons Chavez is in power is because the average Venezuluan was really struggling while a tiny percentage of the population was thriving. Hmmm, sound familiar? Is that where we want to end up? At the rate things are going in this country we’ll be ripe for voting for someone who promises to even out the playing field and just end up with another thug.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pm81 – Keltoi – our opinion of Hugo Chavez is irrelevant (again!!) to the conversation about George Bush’s evisceration of our Constitution and his illegal wiretapping, illegal ’sneak-n-peek’, illegal waterboarding of detainees, his illegal suspension of habeas corpus, etc. etc. etc.
Just another “Bill Clinton did it too” statement. If you’d like to be taken seriously – and believe me, I *am* trying to take you seriously – you’ll need to cut that out.
Irrelevant, Keltoi. Irrelevant.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:59 pmChaney admits he is a hignorunt fuel.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:09 pmHugo calls it like he sees it. It is most obvious to many in the third world that Bush and Cheney have squandered everything that was right about America. South America took notice and changed course, unlike the so called educated people in the US. Guatamala being the most recent to make the switch when a socialist defeated the ex-military general in this weekends presidential elections. It seems that they take no directions from Washington anymore. And that is probably to their credit.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:13 pmHugo Chavez will undoubtly leave a better legecy the either cheney of bush.
96 – Bart – you’re probably right.
He is cute in a lost-puppy kind of way, though. I’m trying to entice him into the light. ;o)
November 7th, 2007 at 5:37 pmNothing like seeing TP quote there favorite Socialist
Comment by Roger_Roger
I would have to agree with Chavez. We are being governed by a bunch of ignorant fools.
November 7th, 2007 at 7:54 pmPut down the huffing rag, dude…that stuff causes brain damage.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
It’s too late…he was born that way.
November 7th, 2007 at 8:01 pmBush will be gone in 14 months, Chavez will still be in power in 14 years, you can take that to the bank.
Comment by Keltoi — November 7, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
After having invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, no connection to al Qaeda and no weapons of mass destruction just to get their oil. He is presently threatening to invade another country, also under false pretenses (they have oil). What country has Chavez invaded?
Venezuelans can recall ANY elected official before their term is over.
What do you think would happen in the US if Americans had the same right to recall Bush (31% approval, remember)?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:59 pm