ThinkFast: November 7, 2007
ThinkFast: November 7, 2007
Condoleezza Rice’s relationship with Vice President Dick Cheney in recent years was “much more conflict-driven than we have been led to believe,” according to a new biography of Rice written by the NYT’s Elisabeth Bumiller. “There was much more conflict on the Middle East and detainees and on Guantanamo Bay than has been written,” Bumiller said.
“Programs that focus exclusively on abstinence have not been shown to affect teenager sexual behavior, although they are eligible for tens of millions of dollars in federal grants,” according to a new study by a nonpartisan group.
The ACLU reports the existence of a third secret torture memo, authored by the DoJ’s Office of Legal Counsel in May 2005. “The memos are believed to have authorized the CIA to use extremely harsh interrogation methods including waterboarding.”
Oregon voters defeated a measure to raise tobacco taxes to provide universal health care for children after a record-shattering negative ad campaign financed by cigarette companies. Tobacco companies opposing the measure outspent supporters by a 4-1 margin. “What happened was, the tobacco industry bought the election,” said Gov. Ted Kulongoski (D).
Steve Beshear, a former Democratic Lt. Governor of Kentucky, “won a landslide victory last night over Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R),” ousting the incumbent by an 18-point margin. Beshear’s victory was “a repudiation of Fletcher,” whose tenure had been mired by corruption.
“Michael Mukasey appears headed for confirmation as attorney general before Thanksgiving, but Senate Democratic leaders are leaving open the possibility that there might be an attempt to filibuster the nomination.” A Senate Democratic aide said that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is neither encouraging nor discouraging a filibuster.
The DoJ is “prosecuting the fewest hate crimes in 10 years as civil rights activists cite noose hangings and other racial incidents to question the government’s commitment to such cases. … Last year, the department charged 22 people with hate crimes. That was down 71% from 76 in 1997.”
“The inspector general of the Department of Education has said he will examine whether federal money was inappropriately used by three states to buy educational products from a company owned by Neil Bush, the president’s brother.”
The House voted 361 to 54 yesterday to override President Bush’s veto of “a popular water projects measure.” “If the Senate follows suit,” it will be the first time Bush has a veto overturned.
And finally: In a new HBO production “Recount,” actor Antoni Corone plays Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL). But In an e-mail, Feeney “sounded disappointed” with the casting. “Was Brad Pitt unavailable to play me?” he asked.
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What about record prices for oil and the dollar hitting record lows?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:06 amTP, the oil and the dollar. Big news today:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aldMwtppxTBM&refer=home
Oil is nearly at 100 bucks a barrel, and it is now about time to declare mission accomplished for Chimp’s strong dollar policy.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:07 am#1 – always better in stereo.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:08 am“There was much more conflict on the Middle East and detainees and on Guantanamo Bay than has been written,†Bumiller said.
Sounds like Condi is trying to scrub the old image for posterity.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:09 am#3… There really is no other story today. The coming economic troubles will truly be the defining struggle of our generation–not some half-baked war against islamofascists.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:12 amThree strikes and out?? The third secret torture memo surfaces – no wonder Bush Cabal is getting very nervous about the definition of torture. This memo specifically refers to “waterboarding”. I don’t believe that de facto exoneration via any new view on waterboarding will hold water (pun intended). If Bush has a signing statement regarding his ability to demand waterboarding as an enhanced interrogation technique, it can be challenged in court due to it’s overall illegality.
Signing statements were NEVER intended to absolve illegal activities by an executive.
Each of these signing statements needs to be challenged and a determination of their legality made.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:12 amHow can an executive write a signing statement regarding violation of an existing law which has the Geneva Conventions behind it? I don’t believe it’s legally authentic. I’d say it’s a mere “footnote” which, when challenged legally, has zippo merit.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:14 amlet me guess how many arguments Condi won with Cheney: 0.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:14 am“What happened was, the tobacco industry bought the election,†said Gov. Ted Kulongoski (D).
I’m not sure that is exactly true. I do believe that the measure would have passed if the bill had not amended the State constitution for this tax. That was a sticking point for a lot of people who were fine with raising the cigarette tax for children’s health care.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:15 amOK, this is totally off topic, but…..
just kind of …..
..
weird(wierd?wireed? hyenas?)
anyway, CNN had an interview of Hillary by “Candy†Crowley last night, and at 7:37:07pm(EST) Hillary responds to a question with “..I would do something about that if I were President AGAIN….
The time is when she says AGAIN…
Thats the freaky part. I had it paused, and didn’t feel like running back to the TV for the exact quote, but I listened to it 3 TIMES and it just seemed like an unconscious response.
Just kind of bizarre, that’s all..
November 7th, 2007 at 9:17 amEnabling Bush Harms Americans!
7th of November 2007
by Jay Randal
The US Congress is doing a grave disservice to nation enabling President George W. Bush to abuse power and the Constitution, hence to rule like a snotty monarch, so Americans are becoming increasingly disillusioned.
There are NO justified reasons for the House/Senate to continually bow down to Dubya, NOR to cave in to his every whim, NOR to confirm fools for him either.
NOR should the Congress keep funding his debacle in Iraq, NOR allow him to bomb the crap out of Iran if he decides to do it, NOR to kiss his butt on anything.
The Legislative branch of the government is supposed to keep the Executive branch in check, thus to prevent abuse of presidential power, so Congress acts derelict.
Congressional failure to keep W. in check has eroded the foundations of our Democracy, plus bankrupted the Treasury, so dire calamity looms over our nation.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
November 7th, 2007 at 9:17 amIf Condi has been in such juxtaposed positions with Darth, where has her voice been for all these years? Is she now, like Hillary, playing the marginalized female card? Little too late, Condi! You’d better go shopping for some new shoes instead. After all, when you’re finally out on the street, you’ll be doing a lot more shoe shopping I predict. Maybe you can have a contest with Imeldo Marcos one of these days?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:18 amDemand nothing less:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XauhgHNgPw0
Next time it may be you!
November 7th, 2007 at 9:19 amI’d like to remind my TP friends to keep calling the members of the House Judiciary Cmte. and DEMAND they vote to support HR333 Dennis Kucinich’s resolution for Impeachment of Dick Cheney. We cannot slow DOWN. I called six members last night and 7 this morning.
The House Judiciary Members are Here:
http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx
The free White House phone is:
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
Just ask the operator to connect you.
And please send Dennis some money! If Ron Paul supporters can raise $4 million in one day why can’t we do the same for Dennis!
November 7th, 2007 at 9:20 am“The inspector general of the Department of Education has said he will examine whether federal money was inappropriately used by three states to buy educational products from a company owned by Neil Bush, the president’s brother.â€
And if they find that is the case they will say “too bad so sad”. Has this administrator ever gone after any contractor for fleecing our pocketbook? I don’t think so.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:24 amCondoleezza Rice’s relationship with Vice President Dick Cheney in recent years was “much more conflict-driven than we have been led to believe,†according to a new biography of Rice written by the NYT’s Elisabeth Bumiller. “There was much more conflict on the Middle East and detainees and on Guantanamo Bay than has been written,†Bumiller said.
Well, we all know who won those battles confirming “Dr.” Rice is the cipher I always thought she was.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:25 amComment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
Umm…if you read a little further back you’d see that TP covered the proceedings already. So it’s not odd at all, really.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:27 amGod knows TP deserves criticism from time to time, but make sure it’s actually founded on some legitimate concern. Do your homework.
I bet Mich McConnell is nervous about the outcome of Kentucky vote last night.
M.McConnell: “Man .., It was ‘Kentucky fried Chickens’ for us last night…”
November 7th, 2007 at 9:27 amJay: I couldn’t agree with you more. What the hell is going on in Congress these days? Just when you think they’ve reached an all-time low, they surpass even that!
I should think that constitutional scholars and lawyers all around the country are coming together to bring about a class action against the members of this congress for derelection of duty as the legislative branch of this government, an arm which should be providing the necessary checks & balances required in a democracy.
Are they all being blackmailed by info ostensibily gathered by Bush’s henchmen in the illegal spying on citizens which has been ongoing from day one of Bush’s term??
Are they all in the pockets of corporate & international lobbyists to the point where their vote no longer refects the wishes of the people they supposedly represent?
One would think that the message of the midterms was loud & clear yet the Dems immediately took office and began bending over to the Bush Crime Cabal like “rockettes doing a can-can”.
They almost immediately opened our purse strings to continue to fund Bush’s Blood For Oil War and have continued to cave into the criminal Repukes on every issue since then.
We don’t really have a majority of true Democrats in Congress right now with most of them resembling Repukes by being to the far right of most citizens. This is precisely why the paltry group of neo-sycophants on the horizon as presidential candidates is bringing lack of hope, disgust, and total disinterest for the election of 08.
Hillary and Rudy are definitely the “corporate establishment candidates”; Obama can’t decide who he is and what he stands for; Edwards, like Obama and Hillary, want to give our country away to illegals – it’s beginning to look dismal for the future of this country.
What we need right now is a dark horse candidate to come out of the woodwork – out of the ranks of the Indpendent voters – to swoop in and rescue this country from it’s wish for self-destruction.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:29 amCondoleezza Rice’s relationship with Vice President Dick Cheney in recent years was “much more conflict-driven than we have been led to believe,â€
Condi and Rummy barely spoke to each other (see State of Denial), so the news that Rummy’s BFF doesn’t see eye-to-eye with Mistress Condi is hardly a surprise.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:30 amThe dems getting outfoxed by the repubs yet again, this time in regards to Kucinich’s latest impeachment scheme. The Dem Circus is in full-swing, no doubt about it.
The dems have once again formed a circular firing squad. Good on Kucinich for introducing this and good on the Republicans for forcing the hands of the Democrats. Now, Dems, it’s time to step up to the plate and do the right thing.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:31 amThis isn’t enough.
100-yr flood protection is not protection for 100 years – it is protection only for the once-in-100-years event.
Dams are built to a 1000-year standard – that’s the once-in-1000-years event.
Why should dams that protect farmland and deserts be built to a higher standard than levees that protect 1,000,000+ people?
Next time it might be you!
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/11/house_override_bushs_veto_of_w.html
House overrides veto of water resources bill
November 7th, 2007 at 9:31 amNovember 06, 2007
By Bruce Alpert
Washington bureau
The Times-Picayune
“The House voted Tuesday to override President Bush’s veto of a water resources bill that authorizes about $7 billion in coastal protection and hurricane protection projects for Louisiana.
…
It includes an authorization for 100-year flood protection for the New Orleans area.
…”
I’d like to remind my TP friends to keep calling the members of the House Judiciary Cmte. and DEMAND they vote to support HR333 Dennis Kucinich’s resolution for Impeachment of Dick Cheney. We cannot slow DOWN. I called six members last night and 7 this morning.
The House Judiciary Members are Here:
http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx
The free White House phone is:
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
Just ask the operator to connect you.
And please send Dennis some money! If Ron Paul supporters can raise $4 million in one day why can’t we do the same for Dennis!
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — November 7, 2007 @ 9:20 am
People need reminded. Thanks I have written to the committe and sent Kucinich money. Will be callilng members of the committe today. Come on people, we have been asking for just this for so long. SUPPORT IT. Own it!
November 7th, 2007 at 9:32 amI’m not sure that is exactly true. I do believe that the measure would have passed if the bill had not amended the State constitution for this tax. That was a sticking point for a lot of people who were fine with raising the cigarette tax for children’s health care.
Comment by bilbobaggins — November 7, 2007 @ 9:15 am
I think you are 100% correct; it was a tactical error to write the measure so that it amended the Constitution. There was no really good reason to do so, and Oregonians are very protective of our Constitution.
Yes, the tobacco industry spent a fortune fighting the measure, including a huge amount of money on television commercials that seemed to run 24/7. But if not for the Constitution bit, I think it would have had a much better chance to pass.
And, on the upside, the reform of the land use law, which was desperately needed to restore some order here, passed overwhelmingly.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:34 amI’d call my rep, but he’s supporting the Bush cabal to the end. If Cheney were eating defenseless puppies on the senate floor, my rep would pass him the salt.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:35 am#14 – Thanks for reminding us all again about HR333 – Cheney Impeachment. If the Judiciary Committee cannot see the need for this country to bring a Vice President who lies and cherry picks intelligence to engage this country in a war which was illegal from the outset, then this country is doomed totally.
Let’s not forget: These multiple lies were not about his sex life – these lies have ruined our reputation internationally, killed 4000 of our young patriots, is tanking us economically, and devastating this country back into the Dark Ages.
These lies resulted in war which should ONLY be waged if attacked or when absolutely necessary (when all else fails).
Impeachment is TOO GOOD for the likes of Dick Cheney. He should be thankful that we’re not in Elizabethan England right now with the beheadings and burnings at Smithfield!
November 7th, 2007 at 9:35 amSo what is the practical effect of impeaching Cheney, anyway?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:36 amI understand the symbolic power behind it, but what would actually change? Since the VP position really only has as much power as the President assigns, couldn’t Cheney be just as influential out of office as in? He can still direct policy. Bush can give him just as much authority as ever. So what is the point, exactly?
I understand the expectant catharsis from impeachment, but what else will actually happen? How will the executive change?
Or am I too cynical?
Condi is trying to rehabilitate her image, like all of the other Bush rats on this sinking ship.
I’m not buying it.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:40 amWhy is Steny Hoyer trying so hard to kill HR 333? The answer may surprise you…
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/why-did-steny-hoyer-try-so-hard-to-kill-hr-333/#more-185
…or then again, maybe it won’t.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:41 amre 28:
At least it might force the current cabal to focus on defending demon cheney.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:41 amAnd, on the upside, the reform of the land use law, which was desperately needed to restore some order here, passed overwhelmingly.
Comment by gummitch
Yee Ha on that one! I was a little worried since the anti 49 advertisements were so prevalent and they lied up one side and down the other. When they said that measure 49 would allow the government to take our property, I got spitting mad. The ads were running on KPOJ an Air America affiliate so I wrote to them and asked why they were running the ads. I was told they have to because they were running pro 49 ads. I then asked if they are forced to run ads that lie and I was told that it was not up to them to decide what was and was not a lie. The first thing I did this morning was to log onto the Oregonian and was delighted to see that the measure won a resounding victory.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:41 amIf it smells like a fish….
November 7th, 2007 at 9:43 amSo what is the practical effect of impeaching Cheney, anyway?
Showing the world and the citizens of this country that we actually care about the rule of law. Not allowing a precedent to be set that it’s OK to lie to the people of this country. I could go on, but most thinking adults know what practical affect impeaching Chaney would have.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:43 amOr am I too cynical?
Comment by Wilco — November 7, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Yes.
What do you think would change? You say nothing.
I think it would be the attitude that permeates Washington. The smell of fear would permeate instead of arrogance. It just takes a little push to get the ball rolling, momentum sustains it. We need the push. You are looking at the situation in a far to limiting matter. It represents far more than just Cheney’s lies. Or haven’t you heard that Kucinich is also making up a resolution to do the same for Bush? Let’s get this ball rolling and see where it goes, okay? Unless you like the current path they are all on…….
November 7th, 2007 at 9:45 amcrude
November 7th, 2007 at 9:45 amhigh $98.62
close $97.75
Dateline Salem Oregon:
The cigarette tax was a bad idea. If the leg needs to raise taxes, they should raise taxes. It was irresponsible to try to amend the constitution.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:47 amComment by Wilco — November 7, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Wilco: my take on it is that it’s a tactical move by Kucinich, recognizing what would happen if they actually had instead sought to impeach Chimpy and succeeded in having the presidunce removed from office. If that happened first, Cheney would then become Supreme Dark Lord, and it’s conceivable that there would then be a “draft Cheney” movement in the repuke party for next year’s election. So, this move by Kucinich is a recognition that it’s more practical to get rid of Darth Cheney first, and THEN go after Dumbya.
Either that, or maybe it’s something else…;o)
November 7th, 2007 at 9:49 amBy the way, TPers — it’s a VERY happy day here in the Commonwealth of Virginia, where we Virginians have finally taken back control of the State Senate from the repukes after yesterday’s elections. So our march to turn Virginia from a red state to a blue state continues to pick up steam…
November 7th, 2007 at 9:51 amComment by bilbobaggins
What time is it where you are? Because where I am, it’s too early to be such a rude jerk.
As I said, I understand the symbolic effect. Which is why I asked what people here would consider the practical effect. I was asking people’s opinions. I had no idea that warranted a personal attack.
I’ll be sure to never ask you yours again. If I ask for peoples opinions again, please assume I mean to exclude you.
To everyone else, thanks.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:51 amRather than just impeachment, or other than that, what would you suggest? Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 9:50 am
Hey, how about waterboarding? I mean, it’s not like it’s TORTURE or anything, right???
November 7th, 2007 at 9:54 amRather than just impeachment, or other than that, what would you suggest?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 9:50 am
Trial as a war criminal?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:57 amDo your homework.
Comment by Wilco — November 7, 2007 @ 9:27 am
He would have to be able to “read” to do that.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:58 amNo. 9, Bilbobaggins:
I think you are absolutely right.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:58 amIt was the amending and not the ads.
Oregon voters defeated a measure to raise tobacco taxes to provide universal health care for children
I agree with the vote. If government provided children’s health programs are held by proponents to be so vital, then it is best that EVERYONE be taxed to meet this cause.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:02 amAdditionally, why not a “Snack Tax”. Parents who provide unhealthy snacks are contributing to our greatest children’s health crisis, obesity. Health costs will be going up expotentially in coming years as a result.
What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700553.html
Democrats Seize Control of Virginia Senate
“Democrats wrested control of the Senate from the Republicans in yesterday’s legislative elections, picking up the four seats they needed to give them a majority of at least 21 to 19 and end a decade of GOP dominance in the chamber.”
November 7th, 2007 at 10:06 am#36,
Crude,
high $98.62
Close $97.75
The market cannot sustain growth at $100.00 a barrel.
The increase in energy cost will hit consumer spending, travelling,shipping cost air,land and sea, municipalities and cisties energy budgeted costs,and many other sectors.
If a war breaks up with Iran..It will be devastating to our economy,the Middle Eastern economy,and the world’s.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:11 amThe Persian gulf states imports billions of dollars from us every years..a blockade to the Strait of Hormuz will be the biggest blow to world economy since the great depression.
So you agree with waterboarding or you don’t?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Since the US has previously jailed and executed people for waterboarding, and the laws already state it is torture, I would say the legal precedent has already been set. Any “debate” is false and designed to cover George Bush and Cheney’s collective asses.
Any more questions, Einstein?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:17 amWould the venue be the DNC office in Washington D.C.?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:01 am
Duh…..
War Crime trials in this day and age are still held at the Hauge.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:21 amWhere did you get “yer learnin” anyway?
Since the VP position really only has as much power as the President assigns, couldn’t Cheney be just as influential out of office as in? He can still direct policy. Bush can give him just as much authority as ever. So what is the point, exactly?
Comment by Wilco — November 7, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Everything you say is true. Cheney could be just as influential out of office if he remains Bush’s “go-to” guy.
HOWEVER — removing Cheney from office means that Cheney won’t become president when Bush is removed from office. And that’s a major consideration.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:22 amFrom Crooks and Liars:
Five authors have sued the parent company of Regnery Publishing, a Washington imprint of conservative books, charging that the company deprives its writers of royalties by selling their books at a steep discount to book clubs and other organizations owned by the same parent company.
In a suit filed in United States District Court in Washington yesterday, the authors Jerome R. Corsi, Bill Gertz, Lt. Col. Robert (Buzz) Patterson, Joel Mowbray and Richard Miniter state that Eagle Publishing, which owns Regnery, “orchestrates and participates in a fraudulent, deceptively concealed and self-dealing scheme to divert book sales away from retail outlets and to wholly owned subsidiary organizations within the Eagle conglomerate.â€
The poor dears. They think their books will sell outside the wingnut welfare web.
The only real “scheme” at Regnery was to put partisan hacks in print (and to get them on the NYT bestseller list) by offering thier books so cheap they could be bought in bulk by the likes of Mellon-Scaife – but no other wingnuts will buy the books, unless they are priced less than a bottle of cheap beer, or their “readership” would spend their cash getting their “conservative spirit” out of a bottle, as they usually do.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:23 am“Any more questions, Einstein?
Comment by Wayne — November 7, 2007 @ 10:17 am”
“Just one: are you ‘Dogfather’ because the question was addressed to that person?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:22 am”
a troll who doesn’t understand how the comment section of a blog works is a silly troll.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:25 amJust one: are you ‘Dogfather’ because the question was addressed to that person?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:22 am
You didn’t include his name and the question was on an open forum.
Have any legit counter to my post?
…… didn’t think so.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:25 amOdd that you guys failed to include that in the ‘ThinkSlow’ thread.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 9:21 am
That thread’s reserved for you and the rest of the perverts, liars and traitors of the GOP.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:26 amSo much for where you got “yer learnin’.â€
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Ooooh, the troll caught a typo. Must be a genius.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:28 am“Programs that focus exclusively on abstinence have not been shown to affect teenager sexual behavior, although they are eligible for tens of millions of dollars in federal grants,†according to a new study by a nonpartisan group.
———————————————–
Interesting that in the linked article, it says that comprehensive sex ed programs show more effectiveness in delaying sexual activity, reducing the number of sexual partners, and increasing the use of condoms when sexual activity does take place.
We have way too many people in charge of our money who would rather scream “abstinence only!” just for show until they’re blue in the face instead of looking at the realities of the situation.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:30 amThis isn’t enough.
100-yr flood protection is not protection for 100 years – it is protection only for the once-in-100-years event.
Dams are built to a 1000-year standard – that’s the once-in-1000-years event.
Why should dams that protect farmland and deserts be built to a higher standard than levees that protect 1,000,000+ people?
Comment by Bienville — November 7, 2007 @ 9:31 am
You very correct. The dams, dikes, and movable flood gates in the Netherlands are built for the 10,000 years event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands#Delta_works
http://www.deltawerken.com/Deltaworks/23.html
A tiny country like the Netherlands did that starting in 1953, but the greatest country the world has ever known can’t do that now in the 21st century. Very sad.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:30 amI think repubs may benefit from a Cheney ouster going into the election. He has been a drag to their party. Additionally, would not a new VP give way to an incumbent VP to run for president?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:32 amAhh, I see. Actually war crimes trials under the jurisdiction of the ICC are held at the “Hague†not the Hauge.
So much for where you got “yer learnin’.â€
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Well, wherever the war crimes trials are held, we will enjoy them thoroughly. And, since waterboarding is torture and punishment, Cheney is most deserving. Traitors should be punished as viciously as they behave, and mass-murderers like Cheney and Bush fully deserve that treatment. If you were a mainstream, patriotic American, you’d understand that, but as a butt-licking rovot, you won’t.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:32 amSo much for where you got “yer learnin’.â€
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Typos happen, twit.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:33 amBut since you already knew where war crime trials are held, why post a stupid assed question like: ” Would the venue be the DNC office in Washington D.C.?”
Perhaps another bagel will assist in releasing your righteous rage?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:32 am
You’ll need to document that particular falsehood, since I have never done anything of the sort. Perhaps your anti-semitism is getting the best of you?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:34 amRovian Stormtrooper Commander = P-Brain
November 7th, 2007 at 10:34 amAdditionally, would not a new VP give way to an incumbent VP to run for president?
Comment by leftcoast — November 7, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Yes, it certainly would. And if both Bush and Cheney are ousted, this could create an incumbent PRESIDENT who could run for not just one, but two terms (since we have passed the halfway mark in this presidential term).
You’d think the Republican party would be all over this.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:35 amYou must still be warming up for the day, usually by now you have resorted not only to shrill name-calling but also hysterical Jooo-related conspiracy theories.
Perhaps another bagel will assist in releasing your righteous rage?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:32 am
While you, on the other hand, have already easily reached your normal standard of mindless, childish and pointless attempts at grabbing attention to yourself. You’re off to a great start, Pee.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:35 amRovian Stormtrooper Commander = P-Brain
Comment by Wayne — November 7, 2007 @ 10:34 am
It doesn’t matter, they’re all piss-stained cowards with fancy gay TV names. Rightards have rich fantasy lives to make up for the sad, demented existences they are forced to lead by a society that rightfully has marginalized and rejected their ignorance and hatred.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:36 amWayne,
November 7th, 2007 at 10:37 amYou just got to love this stuff. Great responses!
woohoo!!!
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November 7th, 2007 at 10:39 amComment by missmolly
The Reps would be furious. The incumbent president would would be Nancy Pelosi.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:40 amIf Cheney were impeached, Bush would have to nominate a new Veep. The Dems would probably stall any vote since they’d be starting impeachment proceedings against Bush. He’d be out and there’d be no veep, so Pelosi would be next in line to take over the presidency.
Additionally, would not a new VP give way to an incumbent VP to run for president?
Comment by leftcoast — November 7, 2007 @ 10:32 am
You really think any Republican has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the President’s seat in 2008?
Thats a stupid excuse for not impeaching…..
November 7th, 2007 at 10:41 amWell maybe I should have put the question as : “You really think any Republican has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the President’s seat in 2008, without election fraud and vote stealing?”
heh
November 7th, 2007 at 10:43 amHow is Pat Robertson going to explain his support for someone who supports abortion?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:45 amJust one: are you ‘Dogfather’ because the question was addressed to that person?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Actually, Rovian Buttlicker Commander, Wayne only beat me to it — there’s no question that waterboarding is against US and international law, regardless of “how it’s practiced by the US”. My original point was to try to show the irony of the situation, by suggesting that if Cheney isn’t impeached then perhaps he should be waterboarded because you and your ilk apparently don’t think that that’s torture.
Of course, recognizing irony and participating in a logical debate don’t exactly seem to be strong suits of yours. So why don’t you just go back to your sandbox and continue playing with your BushCo action figures, complete with Chinese lead paint?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:46 am“Perhaps another bagel will assist in releasing your righteous rage?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander”
that’s some heady stuff. maybe you can get a job writing robocalls in kentucky. those worked out well for fletcher.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:46 amI know, kind of embarrassing to comment on someone’s “learnin†and then misspell a word in the same post.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:41 am
Typos don’t embarass me. Typos happen, quite a difference from your brain farts, you call posts.
And I notice you still have no counter to the waterboarding issue…
November 7th, 2007 at 10:48 ammore good news!
Modestly Overweight Linked To Lower Death Risk
Medical News Today – 2 hours ago
A new US study suggests that while the link between weight and causes of death varies considerably, being modestly overweight may actually lower death risk in a number of circumstances by providing the body with essential nutritional reserves during …
- google news
not that it matters to me… i’m just sayin’…
November 7th, 2007 at 10:51 am…
Mr. P-brain, you are still as much a weasel as you ever were.
why don’t you tell us how Saudi’s are not Islamic again?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:53 am“The issue of a trial for war crimes was sufficiently vague as to warrant the question of venue.”
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander —
And what is the precedent for having a trial at the DNC? Your logic keeps tripping over itself.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:53 amFor all those people who say, “Now is not the time to impeach, it will ruin our chances come election time” *biting nails furiously*:
Remember this. There is alwaysanother “next election”. The Dems gave up on rule of law and order right after the last election for God’s sake! This is just an excuse to not do the job the American people want them to do. I call bullsh!t! If you use the excuse “I can’t do that now because it is not the right time” it becomes the wrong time ALL OF THE TIME. It is a stalling tactic and excuse.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:54 amYes Veritas, post 20, the Congress is enabling President Bush to abuse the US Constitution. We are all being sold down the river and I am unsure if we as a nation can survive for 14 more months of criminal Bush Regime.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:54 amI know, kind of embarrassing to comment on someone’s “learnin†and then misspell a word in the same post.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:41 am
Well, you do it often enough that we’re used to it. Don’t be embarrassed by your ignorance, be embarrassed by your treason. Your ignorance can’t be helped; your hatred of your country has no excuse.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:54 ama third secret torture memo, authored by the DoJ’s Office of Legal Counsel in May 2005.
Let’s stay on top of this one, who authored, who saw it, approved it…
Who knew about it and when did they know it, …
November 7th, 2007 at 10:56 amAhh, I see. Actually war crimes trials under the jurisdiction of the ICC are held at the “Hague†not the Hauge.
So much for where you got “yer learnin’.â€
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007
by the way, you forgot to capitalize the ‘t’: it should be “The Hague”
November 7th, 2007 at 10:58 amAnd I notice you still have no counter to the waterboarding issue…
Comment by Wayne — November 7, 2007 @ 10:48 am
I’m sorry, what would you like to know?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:57 am
As I said, still as much a weasel as you ever were.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:59 amThanks for proving it.
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour (R), who won praise for his handling of Hurricane Katrina’s aftermath, won re-election to a second term.
Comment by TCDon — November 7, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Showing once again why Mississippi is last in everything, especially intelligence.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:59 amholy crap…
Recall ordered for toy that turns into drug
The Age – 20 hours ago
A POPULAR children’s toy found to contain a chemical that the human body turns into the party drug “fantasy”, or “GHB”, has been banned in three states and is being recalled by its Melbourne creator.
Dangerous drug found in popular toy for children New Zealand Herald
GHB toy ban: toddler in hospital Sydney Morning Herald
-the google news again…
check out the pic at the AGE… who would’ve thought some kid
might put THAT in his mouth?
what are some people thinking? … oh, yea, greed…
November 7th, 2007 at 11:00 am.
“Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour (R), who won praise for his handling of Hurricane Katrina’s aftermath, won re-election to a second term.”
Looks like that Katrina reconstruction pork he steered to areas unaffected by the flood bought him the election after all. Congrats, TCDon, for pointing out pork wins elections.
What next, TCDon?
A news article that demonstrates that the sky is blue?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:00 amQuid pro quo Agent Starling, please link to treasonous acts I have committed or even alluded to having committed.
I’ll wait….
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Your very presence is treason. Your hatred of the USA is treason. Your blind support of traitors is treason.
Your ignorance is, however, just a requirement for your rightardedness.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:01 am“Scientists say that in ideal conditions 3,000 centrifuges can make enough highly enriched uranium in a year’s time for an atom bomb.”
Before you wet yourself (again) perhaps you can explain why Israel’s nuclear capability doesn’t balance Iran’s possibly enriching enough uranium for a single bomb? Doesn’t MADD work?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:03 amComment by TCDon — November 7, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Hahahahaha! World Nut Daily! Thanks for the laugh, TCDumb! You’re reaching the same level of stupidity as our little rovot. Excellent, show us all what a fool you are.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:06 am“Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton†details what she says are the threats made against her by the Clintons and their allies.”
So, unfounded accusations, and loopy conspiracy theories – it must be published by Regnery.
Coming to a dollar-store near you:
Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clintonâ€
November 7th, 2007 at 11:07 amBy the way, I didn’t make a snide comment about someone’s “learninâ€.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:03 am
oooh, aren’t you the tough little fairy. when are you enlisting, commander?
Hehehehehe.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:07 amScientists say that in ideal conditions 3,000 centrifuges can make enough highly enriched uranium in a year’s time for an atom bomb.
Comment by TCDon — November 7, 2007 @ 10:59 am
And would one of those “ideal conditions” be constant threats and saber-rattling by a country that once overthrew the Iranian government and installed a despotic puppet in order to secure oil rights for western companies? Cause that might make them consider using the fuel for weapons instead of power generation.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:07 amReally, is this frothing hype is the best you can do?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:07 am
Oh, don’t worry, your bosses are doing their best to outlaw trials, but we’ll figure something out. Maybe we’ll just waterboard a confession out of you. Should take all of 8 seconds with a little pussy like you.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:09 am“Quid pro quo Agent Starling”
that’s embarrassing.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:09 amI suppose you would need to ask yourself whether Israel would nuke Iran if Iran were to let-fly a mushroom cloud in a country other than Israel.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:09 am
i suppose you woiuld need to ask yourself why your mother and father were brother and sister. You have to be very brain-damaged to come up with such a ridiculous scenario.
Or maybe just another rightard coward, shivering under the bed waiting for the Islamofascists to pounce!
Boo!
November 7th, 2007 at 11:11 amI wonder why the IAEA report is accurately stating that Iran has nil capability to produce weapons grade enriched plutonium and ImADinnerJacket is boasting about having 3,000 centrifuges?
Could it be that the DinnerJacket is pandering to his base?
Could it be that Bush and DinnerJacket are really just about the same level of mentality?
Hmmm…
November 7th, 2007 at 11:12 amtoo many RSC posts here… sayin’ nuttin’…
what’s that about?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:12 am.
I suppose you would need to ask yourself whether Israel would nuke Iran if Iran were to let-fly a mushroom cloud in a country other than Israel.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:09 am
What possible tactical gain would Iran accomplish from such an action?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:12 amCould the Israeli air strike on a purported “nuclear site” in Syria be a trial balloon for an Israeli/US strike on Iranian “bomb factories”?
Curious minds just want to know…
November 7th, 2007 at 11:13 amRSC = Mr. PEE.
IGNORE SWITCH DEPLOYED IN ON POSITION.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:14 amAgain, for all the righteous rage flying here at TP about waterboarding, there seems to be quite the propensity to advocate it’s use; makes it difficult to figure whether or not you guys approve of such a practice or not.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:16 am“I suppose you would need to ask yourself whether Israel would nuke Iran if Iran were to let-fly a mushroom cloud in a country other than Israel.”
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
How about not ducking the question. Or are you afraid to answer?
The answer is that winds know no legal boundaries, and any nuclear explosion in the Middle East reagion could come back on the country that detonated it, blow by the wind. In this context, it would be the height of stupidity to nuke Israel, when the Israeli’s could do worse to them, and possibly to the whole region. Take a geography course before opining on geopolitics, OK?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by TCDon — November 7, 2007 @ 11:06 am
She certainly sounds like a credible and unbiased critic of the Clintons, and I’m sure that none of this has anything to do with HRC’s candidacy.
Obviously, the demonic Clintons put on their Cary Grant/Grace Kelly costumes and crept into this nutcase, er, woman’s home to steal documents, just like they snuck into her home to stage her husband’s suicide. They probably were also responsible for the embezzlement and the debt and only included the lottery ticket as a cruel joke.
TCDon is looking increasingly desperate and ridiculous.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:17 amAgain, for all the righteous rage flying here at TP about waterboarding, there seems to be quite the propensity to advocate it’s use; makes it difficult to figure whether or not you guys approve of such a practice or not.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Only for those who defend the practice should be waterboarded. I know that will be hard for a rightard to understand, since justice is a foreign concept to you. the fact that you are so completely irony-impaired is not surprising, either. Who reminds you to breathe?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:18 amforecasting a battle-plan to your enemies has historically been considered bad form.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:17 am
which is why Bushco can’t win a war against an already-defeated country. thanks, rovot, you’re showing us all why you people can’t be trusted with national security!
November 7th, 2007 at 11:19 amTake a geography course before opining on geopolitics, OK?
Comment by barfly — November 7, 2007
whoa! let’s make sure he graduates from high school before we rush him into ‘big people’ classes.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:20 amI would believe the Iranians would be thinking strategically rather than tactically, and the strategic targets are many and varied.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:15 am
So, in other words, Iran has nothing whatsoever to gain from a first strike anywhere. Correct answer – thank you for playing!
November 7th, 2007 at 11:20 amBlix: Iran greater nuclear threat than Iraq was
Daniel Flitton November 8, 2007
FORMER United Nations chief weapons inspector Hans Blix has warned that Iran’s nuclear ambition is more serious than was the case with Iraq in 2003.
Dr Blix delivered the Sydney Peace Prize Lecture last night, saying he was still optimistic the international community could escape the threat posed by nuclear weapons.
But he said that souring relations between the big world powers could raise long-term military tensions.
[...]
Dr Blix said the main concern related to Iran’s intentions, not its nuclear capacity.
“The Iranians themselves assert that they have no intentions to go for nuclear weapons, that it is abhorrent to them,” he said.
“But it is also clear they could change their mind one day and if they did that they would be a couple of years closer to a weapon.”
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/blix-iran-greater-nuclear-threat-than-iraq-was/2007/11/07/1194329319275.html
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gee… i wonder what could possibly make them
November 7th, 2007 at 11:21 am“change their mind one day”…
…
N. Korea is dismantling their nuclear operations. No big war drums were needed. No calls for attacking N. Korea. Why isn’t this looked at by the Bush administration as the successful way to go when dealing with countries persuing nukes?
N. Korea’s leader is even crazier than Iran’s.
What would a nuclear Iran possibly do to hurt us? We can and would turn the region to glass if one nuke ever hit us.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:21 amRobertson’s endorsement of Giuliani should prove to everyone that he is nothing more than a opportunistic, Republican shill – his religion, like hs African diamond mines, is merely a tool he uses to gain riches and power. The religious leader would sooner have the ethically challenged, morally limited, lying gasbag, Giuliani, as his president than the minister, Huckabee, or the Mormon, Romney.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:21 amWhat a joke!
Well, RSC has been shredded and flushed, so I’m off to wage the war for freedom and against Bushco, later!
November 7th, 2007 at 11:21 amBack to the Willey piece. Guess what? It’s published by WND. I guess TCDon has trouble differentiating truth from PR spin for a book published by the spinners. Good Grief!
November 7th, 2007 at 11:22 amAgain, for all the righteous rage flying here at TP about waterboarding, there seems to be quite the propensity to advocate it’s use; makes it difficult to figure whether or not you guys approve of such a practice or not.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Hey, Einstein, try to remember this the next time you attempt to refute someone else for a typo: you should have used the possessive rather than the contraction. “Its use”, not “It’s use”.
No charge for the English language.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:23 am“Back to the Willey piece…
Comment by barfly — November 7, 2007″
i read an even crazier story about cheney shooting someone in the face.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:26 amWell, RSC has been shredded and flushed, so I’m off to wage the war for freedom and against Bushco, later!
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 7, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Rovian Stormtrooper Commander has been handily defeated indeed. He’s circling the bowl and has been reduced to throwing out irrelevant half-assed talking points. His trolldom is finished. Well done, all!
Now if only we can do the same with the rest of the neocons pushing this moronic war with Iran.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:27 amthat kathleen wiley thing… i dunno, but first inclination, first impression:
she drove her husband to suicide messin’ around with bill…
whyever was she getting herself into such a situation as that –
to be fondled and groped… a married woman… *gasp*!!!
tabloid daytime teevee fodder!
no comparison to the REAL crimes and criminals that make up BushCo…
November 7th, 2007 at 11:27 amthat’s for sure…
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“…the dumbest…
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander”
agreed.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:28 amComment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:25 am
And why do you think this is something Iran wants to do? Where can a nuke go off and not have a devasting retaliation? We trust “sources” who say Iran’s nuclear program is moving forward but we wouldn’t trust them enough to track down the source if one went off somewhere else in the world?
Substance man. Where is your substance. So far you are all fat and no meat.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:29 am“MAD between these two countries might work in a limited geopolitical sense but again, ask yourself if Israel would somehow feel beholden to nuke Iran if an Iranian nuke were to detonate somewhere else in the world.”
Why? Who else in the region would they ever consider nuking? Syria? Iraq? Anyone they might feel emnity against are all too close to safely nuke. They might FU, and end up irradiating their own populace by a shift in the winds. You’re not being too lucid, here.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:31 am“Back to the Willey piece…
Comment by barfly — November 7, 2007″
i read an even crazier story about cheney shooting someone in the face.
Comment by cha cha cha — November 7, 2007 @ 11:26 am
good chuckle on that one… thanks…
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am.
If there are true followers of Christ in Robertson’s flock then they should question his decision to ignore the abortion issue.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:33 am“ask yourself if Israel would somehow feel beholden to nuke Iran if an Iranian nuke were to detonate somewhere else in the world.â€
And why would THEY risk irradiating their own, by a shift in the winds? This “anywhere else in the world” doesn’t make sense. The US military has already said that suitcase nukes are a fantasy, so how would they “deliver” it without inviting retaliation?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:36 amN. Korea is dismantling their nuclear operations. No big war drums were needed. No calls for attacking N. Korea. Why isn’t this looked at by the Bush administration as the successful way to go when dealing with countries persuing nukes?
N. Korea’s leader is even crazier than Iran’s.
What would a nuclear Iran possibly do to hurt us? We can and would turn the region to glass if one nuke ever hit us.
-Comment by hellinabucket
Maybe Bush is quiet about success in N Korea because it was Bill Richardson that did the diplomatic heavy lifting…they sure wouldn’t want a Dem Presidential candidate getting any credit for a job well done, eh?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:38 amThis “anywhere else in the world†doesn’t make sense.
of course it doesn’t.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:40 amunless you watch “24″ obsessively.
Iran may decide to play the the game with Israel and take the risk that a nuke exploding somewhere outside of the ME won’t cause the Israelis to launch against them. Considering Israel’s tenuous hold in the region, this wouldn’t be the dumbest gamble.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:25 am
And where would that hypothetical nuke land, exactly? Who would Iran be so keen on picking a fight with that’s within the 1,500-km range of a Shahab-3?
There’s Iraq – they’ve had a few scraps over the years, but they’re unlikely to pick a fight with the Shi’ite government we’ve helped set up there.
There’s Saudi Arabia – that’s one way to get out of OPEC, but attacking the 51st State is probably not the best way.
There’s Turkey – but they can only reach the boring western half.
There’s Armenia – such an action would open Iran up to a non-binding resolution of condemnation from the U.S. Congress in 2098 or so!
There’s Azerbaijan – nobody would even notice.
There’s Georgia – see Azerbaijan
There’s a smidge of Russia – Possible! nuking Chechnya would not curry favor among the Islamic world, but it would be quite convenient for the Russians currently providing financial and technical support to Iran’s program.
There are the Gulf States: UAE, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain – this would provoke anger among rich Iranis who vacation in these oil-rich playgrounds.
There’s Turkmenistan – After the death of leader-for-life Saparmurat Niyazov last year, it just wouldn’t be fun anymore.
There’s Afghanistan – Possible! Iran could finally use its weapons to defeat its longtime enemy, The Taliban.
There’s Pakistan – Unstable with a handful of nuclear weapons and a swarm of angry lawyers – not a good idea!
So there you have it. A list of Iran’s possible targets. I’m sure the Turkmen are shaking in their boots as we speak.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:46 amIran’s leader has about the same approval rating in his country as Bush does in ours. The main thing that keeps the Iranian nut case relevant is Bush’s beating of the war drums.
Kim Jung Il is a total loon but we didn’t have to have a continual threat of attack to have him change his tune.
RSC, you wrongly assume that by not pushing attack we are ignoring Iran. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Bush hasn’t been successful in Afghanistan and Iraq. What makes you think he would fare any better with Iran?
The Iranian leader is not the unified voice of Iran.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:49 am“You are assigning rationality to a regime which is headed by a guy who says homosexuals don’t exist in his country and that the Twelfth Imam will be visiting soon. It may be that such a regime would take a gamble and destroy a city or a place that they reckon won’t be worthy of heavy retaliation, supported perhaps by a threat to do worse in the oil-rich mideast.”
And you’re mouthing standard issue talking points. You still haven’t answered why they would do it, knowing full well Israel’s nuclear capability for massive retaliation. This stuff about gays and the 12th Imam is just fluff. So, by your reasoning they might just do for no other cause than to see if they can get away with it? How, when suitcase nukes aren’t avaiable, and satellite radar can track any launch to it’s point of origin? And why, when they might mistakenly irradiate themselves with a mistake?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amMove it farther away and the risks from residual fallout (depending on the delivery method) will be reduced. Do you really believe that the crazies who run Iran really care if a few thousand of their people are affected?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Your comprehension of who the Iranians really are, and who is really “running” the country is non-existent. Judging from another of your comments, you actually believe that the role of “president” of Iran is not only substantive, but you’ve bought into the propaganda that it’s much like a dictator.
If you actually bothered to read anything about the recent history of the country and the region, you might begin to understand how absurd your comments really are.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amNone of your talk RSC discusses the day after. What would be the long term plan for success?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:51 am“Who knows what method they might construct, perhaps by plane or truck or train or ship? The device doesn’t need to be a ten megaton city-killer, it could be much smaller and used in a more localized fashion.”
You’re not listening. Suitcase nukes aren’t real. Even we don’t have them.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:51 amMove it farther away and the risks from residual fallout (depending on the delivery method) will be reduced. Do you really believe that the crazies who run Iran really care if a few thousand of their people are affected?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Iran is not run by crazies. It’s run by kleptocrats in religous garb who know that nuking Ashgabat is not a good way to protect their investments. Ahmedinejad does not control the military. He’s a loudmouthed jive-talking figurehead intended to distract Iranians from the real economic and social problems in the country.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:52 am“Or unless you are completely devoid of any knowledge whatsoever about military and clandestine delivery capabilities.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander”
very true.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:54 amyou are indeed completely devoid of any knowledge whatsoever about military and clandestine delivery capabilities.
Well, have fun with RSC,and his nuclear fantasies, folks.
Gotta’ go hammer another one into the ground.
Later.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:58 am“Are you seriously having trouble with this and I mean that? AGAIN: the question is whether Israel would decide to nuke Iran if Iran decided to nuke someone else OTHER than Israel?”
No, the question is WHY the Iranians would EVER do that in real life. You haven’t offered a single rationale to justify this “do it just because they can” scenario. Not one.
Later.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:02 pmYou are assigning rationality to a regime which is headed by a guy who says homosexuals don’t exist in his country and that the Twelfth Imam will be visiting soon.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:38 am
And you assign rationality to someone who thinks waterboarding is a swimming lesson, admitted to illegal wiretappiing on TV and claims to talk to an invisible being in the sky.
I don’t assign rationality to either of the fckwits.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:02 pmAre you seriously having trouble with this and I mean that? AGAIN: the question is whether Israel would decide to nuke Iran if Iran decided to nuke someone else OTHER than Israel?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Probably not. I can’t really see Israel going to bat for Turkmenistan.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Perhaps you had better leave snarky commenting regarding the erudition of other posters to those posters with a slightly better grasp of the language. ^_^
November 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“erudite commentary and debate to others”?
coming from the person who quoted “Silence of the Lambs”?
November 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmseriously? somewhere, that “don’t tase me, bro!” guy is laughing at you.
Breaking news:
Scientist claims to find new pig species
By MICHAEL ASTOR, Associated Press
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil – A Dutch scientist thinks he has discovered a new species of wild pig nearly twice the size of other pigs in Brazil’s Amazon region.
Correction/Update:
This “new species of pig” has been identified as former Republican House Speaker Tom Delay, who was purportedly scouting the Amazon region for his “retirement home.”
The Dutch scientist apologized for any inconvenience this mis-identification may have caused.
*snicker*
November 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWhy do you believe such madmen won’t do it just because they can, regardless of the retaliation they might receive?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Yeah King George the Dumb is a prime example of that.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:09 pmRSC, you are pushing a theory that has no substance. It’s not bullys in the playground mentality here. What is the rationale for Iran to use a nuke. The deeper question is what can Iran get out of being a nuclear country? We are great at pushing around countries that don’t have nukes, but we have a very different set of diplomatic measures when dealing with nuclear countries. It’s quite possible the Iranians are persuing nukes to get a better seat at the table.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:14 pm“A simple side-note added to the larger debate, meanwhile you have added literally nothing to it other than to jump in and howl. Is there anything else you have to offer or is this it?”
how is making up weird hypotheticals ‘debate’?
November 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Bullsh!t. Every time you’re asked for a rationale, you come back with “who knows…he’s craaaazy!”.
You wanna talk crazy? Let’s talk about the man who claims God instructed him to invade and occupy a sovereign nation that had done nothing to harm his nation in the past, and possessed zero capability to cause any harm in the future.
Wanna guess that man’s name, RSC?
November 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pmHey RSC – if you and feebs like you are insulted, then my work here is done. ;o)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
November 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmit is the size of a cannon-round, one can presumably understand that such a device could be brought aboard a ship which then sails into an enemy harbor.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
A weapon the size of a W-54 would require Iran to build a breeder reactor and enrich plutonium in order to create a critical mass, and the weapon produced would at best have a yield of 250 tons of TNT, most likely cloer to 10-20 tons. A nasty weapon? Yes. A city-killer? No.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmJust read this:
Robertson said he was willing to overlook Giulani’s pro-abortion rights stance because he takes him at his word that he will appoint “strict constructionist” judges to the Supreme Court and federal bench –- a widely accepted term for judges likely to overturn the landmark Roe v. Wade abortion rights ruling.
So Robertson will put aside the single most divisive issue (abortion) on Rudy’s word he’ll put in judges to his liking.
I’m sure Jesus is proud of Robertson.
/sarc
November 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWanna guess that man’s name, RSC?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 7, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
He already stated he doesn’t know who King George the Dumb is, lol
November 7th, 2007 at 12:21 pmI have still never heard of this person. Can you provide a link?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
http://www.whitehouse.gov
November 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmRSC, now that’s just nonsense. You fail to have a debate on evidence and facts. You rant on about the Iranian mad man but can’t discuss the greater issues such as rationale, deployment and execution of a successful retaliation.
Mothball the military? Put the Kool aid down. Quit trying to have us led by fear. We have the greatest military in the history of the world. We don’t need to send it off on every wild goose chase Bush dreams up. I seem to remember the chorus of disgust the republicans mustered up when Clinton went into Bosnia. “We shouldn’t be the world’s police force”. Why the change.
When responding remember to add substance. This may require you to rethink your initial ramblings.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pmWhat is that desired effect RSC? You can so easily dream up the possibilities of world wide destruction at the hands of other leaders but blindly follower our very own destructer.
You have offered no rationale for this dreamed up attack.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Nice attempt to move the goalposts, jackass, but I didn’t say that we should trust in Iran’s good intentions. I said that you have failed to come up with a reason Iran would attack another nation.
True…except you’re trying (so very hard) to establish the insanity of the Iranian leadership as a priori. Sorry, but that won’t do. Please provide some evidence of this alleged mental incapacity.
No, that’s not why. Clearly, you need to crack the history books a bit harder.
There’s more to your post, but, sadly, it doesn’t merit a reply.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmRSC’s proposed foreign policy: KILL THEM ALL.
Yeah, I’m sure that’ll work.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
While I’m sure that trolls such as yourself think that deliberate obtuseness is the absolute zenith of wit, let me assure you that in the “reality based community”, it’s actually pretty played out.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pmExternalize our anger but ignore the problems within our borders.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pmAnd as for crazy – we have FAR more solid evidence that George Bush is the crazy one.
Let’s start protecting ourselves from “craaaaazy” here at home, shall we…?
November 7th, 2007 at 12:44 pm“I failed to find a reference to “King George the Dumb†at this site.
Could you provide a different link?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander”
please stop. it really is embarrassing. [/howl!!!!!]
November 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmI agree. We should protect ourselves from “craaazy” and there’s no better place to start than right here at home.
Tell me RSC, should be just impeach both Cheney and Bush? or should we jail them first. All for your view of going after the crazies of the world and would like to know how harsh should the punishment be for those that rattle the sabers and allow thousands to die for lies.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmHow many Iranian suicide bombers have there been RSC? How many nukes will it take to stop a suicide bomber? Or all the suicide bombers so we can be safe again?
November 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Again, you have failed to provide any evidence of this alleged mental incapacity.
Rather reminds me of Pat Tillman…
November 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“And I’m supposed to trust that people who refer to the current POTUS as “King George the Dumb†are members of the “reality based communityâ€?
says “Rovian Stormtrooper Commander”
November 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Oh, so you do know who the phrase “King George the Dumb” refers to. Glad we cleared that up.
Speaking of which, I noticed that you haven’t answered the question I posed to you back in post #178. I wonder why…
November 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmComment by cha cha cha — November 7, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Thought the same thing.
November 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Yes, getting trolls to admit their lies does rank up there.
How about you stop stalling and answer the questions I’ve put to you, RSC? That is, if you’re able…
November 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
No, he was praised as an (unwitting) martyr to the cause.
Oh, I’m sorry…were you trying to be deliberately obtuse again?
November 7th, 2007 at 1:14 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Still not seeing any evidence.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:15 pmRovian Stormtrooper Commander is the perfect moniker for you. Fear is your driving force. Logic need not apply. Any attempts of debate with facts will be met with threats from the unseen danger that has to be dealt with. Any dissent will be seen as unamerican.
RSC, you follow a fool. Which is worse?
November 7th, 2007 at 1:16 pmRSC sez:
Evidence.
Show me some, or admit it’s not there.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:17 pmIraq was being squeezed from the north and south. Bush missplayed all his cards. He could have sent twice as many troops into Afghanistan, the world would have applauded. Secure that country. Stand strong at one border of Iran (Iran was helping us rid Afghanistan of the Taliban). We would have been able to direct full diplomatic and economic pressure on Iraq. Saddam’s regime would have crumbled on it’s own and we could have come in as humanitarian saviors.
Of course, this wasn’t in the PNAC plans. Creating chaos is a much better way to reap benifits in the shadows.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:25 pmRSC, are you saying that the cause of Tillman’s death wasn’t covered up and distorted? Are you saying the Bush administration knew nothing about the cover up? Are you saying the Bush administration attempted to use his service and death as a promotional tool for recruitment and patriotism? Are you saying that Tillman didn’t inform his family about his belief that entering Iraq was a mistake?
Just curious.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:28 pmRSC sez:
First, I never said he was an exact comparison. The characteristics I cited as comparable make the comparison perfectly valid. Sorry.
Second, he was not ‘killed in action’. He was murdered. He died from three closely spaced bullet wounds to his forehead, fired from an M16 from a distance of ten yards.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmRSC sez:
Just as soon as you convince me of your ability to do the same regarding Iran.
Of the two of us, I’m the only one who has had any success at predicting future events.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:33 pmRSC, you forget that soon after the Gulf War there was a surge of Iraqis against Saddam. Bush 41 and Cheney didn’t want to help then. Allowing Saddam to crush the rebellion and regain some control of his empire. Saddam feared his own people more than he feared the US.
We couls have aided those within Iraq (the southern Shiites and the Kurds) that would have caused havoc for Saddam. All without billions pissed away and thousands of US lives lost.
You are ignoring that it was Cheney who decided not to go after Saddam back then. You are also ignoring that it would have been much more cost effective to allow an internal coup to topple Saddam.
You most definitely missed the point that the Gulf War followed the Powell Doctrine and was successful because it had a clear objective (remove Iraq from Kuwait), it had overwhelming forces on the ground to destroy the enemy and regain normalcy as soon as possible.
These things Bush couldn’t wrap his mind around and Cheney wouldn’t allow those thoughts to be entertained. Bush failed because there was no clear objective, no plan to use overwhelming force and no plan on how to bring the country to some sense of normalcy. “Freedom is messy” was the veiw point of this administration.
I will continue to speak out against this administration because they have proven not to understand the seriousness of war and how to conduct one with the goal of being successful for the people they represent.
Bush needs to be stopped at all costs in persuing any more aggressions.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:45 pmRSC sez:
Of the two of us, I’m the only one not willing to accept your ridiculous nightmare fantasy of an Iran bristling with nukes, controlled by lunatics.
Again, let’s see some EVIDENCE of either of these claims. Failing that, STFU.
You certainly aren’t…else you’d see the obvious hypocrisy inherent in agitating for war against a nation that you claim is close to developing nukes at some point in the future, while another nation with actual nukes is studiously ignored.
Again, assuming that a) Iran does eventually develops a nuke, and b) develops or acquires a delivery mechanism sufficient to get it to Israel, what would be the reasons for striking them, especially considering that Israel’s counterattack would transform much of the nation into so much radioactive glass, even before the U.S. got involved. Please, elaborate (and remember, if you’re going to fall back on “they’re craaaazy!”, you’ll need to find some evidence for that claim if you want us to take you seriously.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:53 pmRSC sez:
Excellent question. Funny how this administration isn’t seeking any answers, isn’t it?
November 7th, 2007 at 1:54 pmRSC sez:
As would I.
November 7th, 2007 at 1:58 pmRSC sez:
Let’s see…
A government that contains self-appointed religious councils that have the power to override any legitimate governmental decision based on their interpretation of the Bible. The same government is presided over by a man who claims that God talked to him and told him to invade Iraq.
Lunatic, indeed.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pmRSC sez:
How exactly did you make that leap? If you hear about a body found in the river, with a bullet hole in the head and rocks in the pockets, do you dismiss the clear indication of foul play, merely because the killer and motive haven’t yet been identified?
This is one of your dumber arguments, RSC, and given the quality (or lack therof) of your arguments thus far, that’s saying something.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:21 pmRSC sez:
Yes, there it is, all right. Unsubstantiated flights of fancy.
And waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back up the thread, you were tasked with supplying a possible motive for Iran’s rulers to attack someone other than Israel, and the only one you could muster was “well, they’re craaaazy.”…an assertion that you have yet to provide any substantiation for.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pmRSC sez:
So, now you’re justifying an attack based upon mere possibility? Is that really what you’re trying to say?
In that case, we’d better nuke every other country on the planet, since there’s a “possibility” that they might offer us harm at some period in the future.
While we’re at it, we’d better exterminate everyone in the U.S., too, since there’s a “possibility” that one of them…or one of their descendants…might conceivably threaten the State.
See the idiocy of your position yet, RSC?
I’d like to verify the actual existence of a threat before I take action…but then again, unlike most neocon apologists, I can usually go an entire day without pissing myself in abject fear.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:34 pmPoor RSC, without a shred of logic, forced to rely on tried and true rovian fear mongering, qualified to command a bag of peanuts, at best.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:38 pmHe is sticking true to his moniker. Now if he called himself something like “Commander of seeking the Truth” he may question his own faltering logic. But that would make a mockery of such a cool name.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYou want to put all your eggs in the “zero possibility†of being a threat basket again?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Hell, no! I think there is a possibility that in the future there may a takeover of Canada by the Mounties. The Mounties may stage insurgencies across the border into the U.S. on horses fed a large amount of dangerous biological material in time-release capsules which they will release in the form of horse-patties in major metropolitan areas in our nation’s northern territories. Therefore, we need to bomb all the horse farms in Canada immediately. If you’re not with me, you’re an anti-American terrorist lover who is too backward thinking to stand up for his country.
November 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pmComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — November 7, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
November 7th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
RSC sez:
Poor, poor RSC…
From an earlier post of yours…
“Protecting ourselves from “craaaazy†is good policy”, right?
What form was this “protection” going to take, if not military action?
November 7th, 2007 at 3:06 pmRSC sez:
Where did I say I wanted to attack Iran? Please link.
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Yes I do support airstrikes on Iran, just not at this time.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — September 30, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
November 7th, 2007 at 3:10 pmRSC sez:
You seem to be getting a lot of mileage out of my use of the word “zero”. Let’s look at it in context, shall we?
If one takes the time and effort to actually read this passage, two things become immediately apparent.
One. I specifically said that Iraq possessed zero capability to cause any harm in the future. I said nothing about the possibility that they might subsequently acquire such capability.
Two. I was referring to Iraq, but you seem to be bent upon applying that statement to everyone and everything, especially Iran. fallacious argument, but understandable, given who I’m talking to.
I’ll let the past go, but in the future, you’re going to have to stop distorting my use of the word “zero”. I’m aware that this will deprive you of about 75% of your effective troll arsenal, but I really do have to insist.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:12 pmComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — November 7, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Bwah ha ha ha ha ha!
November 7th, 2007 at 3:13 pmSuch a cornucopia of conservative illogic, I’ll have to answer at least one:
“Again, you are trying to assign our rational methods to those who might not see things the same way, people who send suicide bombers into civilian markets and then praise the bombing victims as loyal, if unwitting, martyrs to the cause.”
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
And you name a leader “crazy” for making comments that could be considered “working the crowd” for a political leader in a part of the world that places martyrdom as the greatest sacrifice. Rhetoric is all it is. Rhetoric like the innocuous “Shock and Awe” and “democracy” that actually represented the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. Does that little rhetorical device now brand Bush as “crazy” in your eyes? I didn’t think so, so quit hyperventilating about what other nation’s leaders say
November 7th, 2007 at 3:24 pm…I think if you live in Buffalo …
- Denis Leary
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 7, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Thanks for that – I had never heard it. The funniest thing to me is I actually grew up in Western NY about a half hour drive from Buffalo!
RSC has one of the neocons’ primary disorders: “documentary delusion”, in which the sufferer has no awareness that what he or she has written or said in the past may be recorded in some permanent fashion.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:27 pm“Protecting ourselves doesn’t include military action alone, just military action as a component that can be utilized if necessary.”
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
“If necessary” like Iraq? You guys have squandered your credibility with your bedwetting overresponse to 9/11.
Now, anything you say is just sour grapes, for the monumental conservative failure that is Iraq.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:31 pmAnd as we have learned with such standouts as North Korea, these days, waiting for the thugs and dictators to actually become a threat usually means it too late to do anything about it.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Which is why it was really important to not use diplomacy and to bomb North Korea back into submission…oh, wait…never mind.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:36 pmRSC sez:
There’s a middle ground between thinking a nation might become a threat and observing that a nation is a threat, dolt. And that’s determining conclusively that the nation is working toward acquiring the means to be a threat.
But making such a determination requires facts and evidence, and as we all know, such things are anathema to you and your ilk.
Of course, the above completely discounts the notion of diplomacy, but that’s another concept you and your ilk are unfamiliar and uncomfortable with, isn’t it?
November 7th, 2007 at 3:40 pmYour liberal notion that if you just show enough understanding of dictators and give them a big hug that a compromise will be found.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
Nice distortion of the liberal or progressive stance. Could it be a reversed projection of the neocon notion that if you just kill enough people in a show of military strength that peace will come in our time?
November 7th, 2007 at 3:42 pm#251 – “Use your imagination, search deeper than “all conservatives want to destroy everythingâ€.” Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Interesting comment. I wonder if you practice what you preach?
#257 – “Your liberal notion that if you just show enough understanding of dictators and give them a big hug that a compromise will be found.” Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Nope, I guess you don’t practice what you preach. Could it be because you’re not the type of person to which you preach? ;-)
November 7th, 2007 at 3:46 pmRSC sez:
Evidence?
Oh, sorry…I forgot you don’t do evidence…
November 7th, 2007 at 3:47 pm#264 – So what you’re saying is that because Iraq had NO WMD’s after Pres. Bush said they did. . . . Hmmm. . . .
Pres. Bush must have told a bald-faced lie, right?
Wan’t Pres. Clinton impeached for lying? I guess you support impeachment against Pres. Bush, right? I mean, you’re not going to hold two completely different standards for conduct, are you?
November 7th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI didn’t know that the neocon agenda included outright killing of people, if that were the case you would think Bush would be launching Alpha Strikes throughout the mideast.
But if the reversed projection of ‘killing enough people’ was not killing anyone at all, you have reduced yourself to never using military force since war will definitely kill people.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
And I didn’t know that the liberal or progressive approach to foreign policy was “big hugs”. You have just shown again your amazing talent to distort the liberal or progressive views which are nuanced and open to a wide range of facts and options that do not fit your black-or-white perspective. You are “reduced”.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:57 pm#265 – “You know it, I know it, now you just need to accept it. ;-)” Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Just as you have to accept that the only “deeper” the neo-cons go is “war for oil, damn the cost in American soldiers lives.”
You know it, I know it, now all you just need to do is accept it for the fact that it is. ;-)
November 7th, 2007 at 3:59 pmRSC sez:
Your assertion was not that Kim broke an agreement in the past. You assertion was that he is breaking the most recent agreement right now.
Evidence. Post some or STFU.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:00 pm#267 – “You have just shown again your amazing talent to distort the liberal or progressive views which are nuanced and open to a wide range of facts and options that do not fit your black-or-white perspective. You are “reducedâ€.” Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — November 7, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Actually, I would say that he is “exposed” for the double-standardizer-rer that he truly is. (That’s my Pres. Bush impersonation!)
For RSC, liberals are “all the same”, while neo-cons are “deeper” (for some unexplainable reason only RSC can justify to himself and nobody else).
One can only assume that “cognitive dissonance” is something that enablers are incapable of identifying.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThe neocons seem to have a “one (American) size fits all” approach to foreign policy – shock and awe against Afganistan, bring it on in Iraq, threaten Iran, threaten North Korea. On the other hand, progressives (myself included) supported military action in Afganistan (although I would have prefered a more laser-like approach over the shock and awe). We are the ones who seem to recognize that dictators and “bad guys” are not of the same mold and require different approaches. Kim of North Korea is an insecure little man who wants attention from the world, wants to be considered “relevant” (sounds like someone else we know). Through diplomacy we give him that attention and he has no need to attack anyone to be “important”. Achminijad (sp?) is somewhat like Kim. He does not have real power in Iran but he’s another little man with an inferiority complex. If we threaten him, he’s going to puff himself up more and he may convince the real powers in Iran to be more actively aggressive. Osama bin Laden, on the other hand, needs to be hunted down and captured or killed.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:20 pmRSC sez:
AGAIN, that not the issue in dispute, dolt. Your desperate attempts to move the goalposts have failed. Give it up.
You said:
THAT is the issue in dispute…the issue I challenged you on. Provide evidence to substantiate your claim that Kim is breaking his latest agreement at this moment. Failing that, shut the fsck up, moron.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:36 pmand your solution RSC is?
November 7th, 2007 at 4:37 pmRSC sez:
As I told one of your troll friends the other day, one shouldn’t pull out the “Joooos” card until one of your opponents actually mentions the Jews. Jumping the gun like this just makes you look even more absurd. ^_^
November 7th, 2007 at 4:41 pmIt must be wonderful to live life void of having to think for yourself.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:49 pmnever having to worry about proving anything you say.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:49 pmnever having any substance.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:50 pmRove would be proud.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:50 pmRSC sez:
In other words, you have no evidence to support your assertion that Kim is violating the current agreement.
Don’t honestly know why I expected you to substantiate your vapid assertions on this particular issue, when you’ve consistently and relentlessly refused to substantiate any of your previous vapid assertions with anything even resembling facts.
RSC, I’m officially bored with you. You’ve become tiresome.
Go get some rest. You’ve got a long way to go before you can sit at the adults’ table here.
Peace out.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:51 pmmore lack of substance from the rovinator
November 7th, 2007 at 4:55 pmRSC has no solutions, no plan, no direction. Only driven by that unseen fear. You have drunk long and deep from the well of Rove.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:56 pmRSC, do the math. You are holding onto strawmen.
November 7th, 2007 at 4:57 pmYou have been used as a punching bag all day long RSC. You never took a logistical look at any of your flights of fancy. You settled in for sophmoric sniping but never discussed rationale for your fears.
It was great fun watching your shape shifting.
November 7th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“Well, I managed to run this thread up to almost 300 posts by expertly chopping the liberals off at the knees in their usually profane and always uneducated attempts at debate.”
Yup, and I pitched a no-hitter in the World Series – I say, if you’re going to have delusions of adequacy why not go whole hog?
November 7th, 2007 at 5:10 pmLove the photo!
November 7th, 2007 at 5:23 pmSuggested caption ” Did you cut that one, or did I?”
RSC claims to have deeply investigated liberals, but his words simply spout his partisan bias that proves that he only spouts the “talking points” of the radical right-whiners.
The two latest examples of RSC’’s alleged “deep reasoning”:
277 – “Perhaps you should switch your reasoning to “No war for WhateverSlackDisjointedReasonICanFindToHateEverything†ala Cindy Sheehan.” Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
292 – “Well, I managed to run this thread up to almost 300 posts by expertly chopping the liberals off at the knees in their usually profane and always uneducated attempts at debate.” Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 7, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
RSC has proven that he cannot think for himself, and can only swallow the “talking points” of the radical right-whiners.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:59 am