White House Cites ‘Executive Privilege’ To Block Inquiry On ‘Eviscerated’ Global Warming Testimony
White House Cites ‘Executive Privilege’ To Block Inquiry On ‘Eviscerated’ Global Warming Testimony
Last month, Centers for Disease Control (CDC) officials revealed that the White House “eviscerated” the congressional testimony of CDC President Julie Gerberding on the “Human Impacts of Global Warming.” The deletions included “details on how many people might be adversely affected because of increased warming” and the scientific basis of specific diseases impacted by climate change.
Last week, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) wrote to President Bush “requesting a full accounting of what occurred during that review process.” Appearing on MSNBC today, Boxer said the administration has stonewalled her efforts, claiming executive privilege:
Many pages of it were redacted… And by the way, we wrote the President. He gave our letter to Fred Fielding, the chief counsel over there, his counsel, who said ‘executive privilege, I don’t have to tell you what she wrote.’ … So yes, I think they are hiding this. I think they are hiding a lot of things. It’s their way, it’s their habit, it’s wrong.
Watch it:
Fielding claimed that “the request by its very nature seeks communications involving pre-decisional deliberative materials relating to an inter-agency review process…it is clear that the request implicates core Executive Branch interests and raises separation of powers concerns.”
Fielding added that he may continue to “withhold documents” in the future and redirected Boxer to Vice President Cheney’s office in regards to Boxer’s “request for vice president records.”
A January report found 435 instances in which the administration interfered with the work of government climate change scientists over the past five years. Despite the administration’s refusal to explain what it is hiding, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino maintains Gerberding’s testimony “was not watered down.”
Read the unredacted version of Gerberding’s testimony at Science Progress.
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I’m still trying to figure this one out….what is the proper temperature of the earth?
November 7th, 2007 at 8:55 pmDo something about it or STFU.
November 7th, 2007 at 8:58 pmPerino was right. The testimony was not watered down. That implies diluting it with filler. No, the testimony was in fact, dehydrated. All of the juice and nutrients removed and nothing left but jerky.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:00 pmI’m still trying to figure this one out….what is the proper temperature of the earth?
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Well I can understand your dilemna as the complex dynamics of the atmosphere and the hydrosphere are multivarient and best left to those who have invested a lifetime in investigating these interactions. Most of them are very concerned.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:02 pmI suddenly remember Pat Tillman.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:04 pmwhat is the proper temperature of the earth?
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu
Proper for what?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:06 pmI feel bad for the Tillman family but I still prefer the Jessica Lynch fable
November 7th, 2007 at 9:06 pmGod, I love the freedom of hiding things under the ruse of executive privilege.
sarcon
November 7th, 2007 at 9:07 pmwhat is the proper temperature of the earth?
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu
98.6 degrees =)
November 7th, 2007 at 9:08 pmHow in the hell can they claim executive privilege over the issue of global warming?
They are seriously trying to give me a migrane.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:11 pmI read a report from some oil gurus and they say at the current rate and known deposits plus the growing use and declining production, Peak Oil, we have 42 years of oil.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:11 pmWhen we reinforce the Constitution, we need explicit prohibitions against claims of Executive Privilege. All governmentally produced information belongs to the people (except for names and locations of spies, locations of troops, and militarily sensitive information).
Bush’s claims of Privilege are ridiculous.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:16 pmwe have 42 years of oil.
Comment by Xisithrus
That’s too short to learn to walk or use bicycles.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:16 pmGeorge (knowledge is dangerous) Bush strikes another blow against reason. Seriously, how can this possibly be covered by executive privilege? Are temperature readings and atmospheric analysis State Secrets? WTF are you hiding Mr. President.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:17 pmGosh I wish Barbra Boxer was speaker of the house and Russ Feingold was majority leader.
Never doubt that Nancy and Harry are controlled by the powers that be.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:17 pmFrom what I’m told, it’s much warmer than Uranus.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:17 pmexcept for names and locations of spies, locations of troops, and militarily sensitive information.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Then there comes a “terrible” threat, a “mighty” foe, an unavoidable war and pum! exec privilege, once again.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:18 pmBush hides lots of things under Executive Privilege, so who knows what stuff he hides about climate-change/global warming.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:20 pmComment by Juan C. — November 7, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
There is no “Executive Privilege” granted in the Constitution (no more than there is a Legislative or Judiciary Privilege). That’s why the prohibition has to be explicit.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:21 pmMarcus, got it.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:27 pmWhere was “executive privilege” when the Bushies outed a covert CIA operative?
It would seem they think they have the right to withhold AND release sensitive data.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:28 pm98.6 degrees =)
As good as any other temp I suppose.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:30 pmLuckily, when we have a Democratic president, they will be arrested and WATERBOARDED in Gitmo until they DROP DEAD. It’s NOT torture, right?
Wouldn’t the democrat president then be guilty of the same crimes you ascribe to the current republican president?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:32 pmFrom what I’m told, it’s much warmer than Uranus.
What is the proper temp of Uranus?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:34 pmwe have 42 years of oil.
Comment by Xisithrus
That’s too short to learn to walk or use bicycles.
Comment by Juan C. — November 7, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Or figure out how to heat our homes without using wood, coal, natural gas or nuclear power.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:37 pmGosh I wish Barbra Boxer was speaker of the house and Russ Feingold was majority leader.
Careful what you wish for:
Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, “Thank God, I’m still alive. But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be the same again.”
November 7th, 2007 at 9:41 pm– Sen. Barbara Boxer, (D, Calif.)
Bush has made clear his dictatorship. He claims that those agencies who are required to report to Congress can only report what the president says to report. Next he will announce prema nocte.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:44 pm“Tear down that wall, Mr. Bushokov”.
Soon to be headline: Bush Waterboards Weather
November 7th, 2007 at 9:44 pmYes, but in this case they would be WARRENTED…..
We MIGHT get them to tell us the TRUTH about 9/11, and that they KNEW at the least that it was coming…
But if waterboarding is torture and torture doesn’t work because the subject will say anything to make it stop, wouldn’t Bush’s testimony while on the board be unreliable?
Torture is torture, no matter who it is applied against, correct? Anyone else with me on this?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:45 pmIn that case, for TREASON, I don’t have a problem with the use of waterboarding on TRAITORS in order to FINALLY get to the truth.
Time to drag John Walker Lindh out of his cell and strap him to the board, the traitor!
November 7th, 2007 at 9:49 pm“We would not even need to waterboard Bush, just simply show him the room with the equipment and he would start crying and spill his guts as the panzy a$$ he is…..â€
Alright, I agree to change my statement.
Wouldn’t Bush’s testimony out of fear of torture be unreliable? Would you then agree that prisoners in our custody can be strapped to the board or, at the least, be threatened with waterboarding as long as the actual act itself isn’t committed?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:53 pm“Wouldn’t Bush’s testimony out of fear of torture be unreliable?”
It wouldn’t matter because after decades of substance abuse, nothing that comes out of the chimps mouth could ever be reliable.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:57 pmComment by RemoveBush — November 7, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
Do we have a trial first or is some person to be designated to decide on who exactly fits the bill as traitorous?
Why would the information gained from the torture of a “traitor” be any more credible than that gained from a terrorism suspect? Does the label “traitor” somehow make the person less likely to blab-out lies while strapped to the board?
Please explain.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:57 pmIt wouldn’t matter because after decades of substance abuse, nothing that comes out of the chimps mouth could ever be reliable.
So he would be waterboarded merely to inflict torture?
November 7th, 2007 at 9:58 pm“So he would be waterboarded merely to inflict torture?”
Nope
November 7th, 2007 at 10:00 pmI have to take the opposing(?) view on this one. As much fun as it is to imagine the shrub being subjected to “enhanced interrogation”; Torture is, simply, wrong. Period. End of story.
I do, however, wish and hope that Bushco, all of them, face trial. And, should they be convicted they should be punished to the limit of the law.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:01 pmNO!!!! Most could be confirmed by other people……
Comment by RemoveBush — November 7, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
How do you know that? How do you know what Bush or anyone else would say while being waterboarded?
If you already know that what he says would could be corroborated then you have no need to torture, merely to hold a trial like any other criminal suspect.
If he DIDN’T say anything of note that could be verified through other sources then you have just tortured a man for no reason.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:05 pmhow in the hell did you let a trooll named mookie
November 7th, 2007 at 10:07 pmderail this thread to a stupid argument about torture…
…
“how in the hell did you let a trooll named mookie
derail this thread to a stupid argument about torture”
Now that is a great question!
November 7th, 2007 at 10:11 pmFielding claimed that “the request by its very nature seeks communications involving pre-decisional deliberative materials relating to an inter-agency review process…it is clear that the request implicates core Executive Branch interests and raises separation of powers concerns.â€
damn right there are concerns…
what the hell is going on here???
what a bunch of mumbojumbo… “pre-decisional deliberative”…
it gets scarier every day… the constitution means nothing…
November 7th, 2007 at 10:14 pm…
Comment by RemoveBush — November 7, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Great, so you are advocating basically an eye for an eye, you want to condemn torture while simultaneously agreeing to inflict it on someone just for the he!l of it.
It is a practice that needs to be condemned and gotten rid of with no exceptions.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:18 pmA January report found 435 instances in which the administration interfered with the work of government climate change scientists over the past five years.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:23 pm.
This thread isn’t about torture, so let’s get back to the real subject.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:24 pm“A January report found 435 instances in which the administration interfered with the work of government climate change scientists over the past five years.”
That in itself is proof that climate change is real.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:26 pmThis thread isn’t about torture, so let’s get back to the real subject.
Comment by troll buster — November 7, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
Agreed. What is the proper temp of the earth, I mean before the economy is destroyed and I get taxed for breathing, what temp are we shooting for?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:33 pm“Agreed. What is the proper temp of the earth, I mean before the economy is destroyed and I get taxed for breathing, what temp are we shooting for?”
That question is too stupid to diignify with an answer.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:36 pmFielding added that he may continue to “withhold documents†in the future and redirected Boxer to Vice President Cheney’s office in regards to Boxer’s “request for vice president records.â€
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They referred her to the office of the administration’s official Dragon.
When asked for the documents, he will probably mumble under his breath that they’re safely tucked away in his safe….and that’ll be the end of that.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:36 pmDoctored reports and fake press conferences. All in a days work for the Potemkin President.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:38 pmThat question is too stupid to diignify with an answer.
Comment by troll buster — November 7, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
Then lets try another one, since it is solutions that everyone is looking for: how do we know when global warming is no longer a problem?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:39 pmwell, preserving the secrecy of the decision-making process is vital to national security–because if the terrorists only knew how venal and stupid the leadership of this nation is, they’d be dancing in the streets with joy.
(Osama Bin Laden, of course, knows it all already.)
November 7th, 2007 at 10:39 pm“Then lets try another one, since it is solutions that everyone is looking for: how do we know when global warming is no longer a problem?”
That is even dumber than the last question. Why can’t we get a better quality troll on T.P.?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:46 pmIs it my imagination or does the new troll smell a lot like Mr. P?
November 7th, 2007 at 10:48 pmIs it my imagination or does the new troll smell a lot like Mr. P?
Comment by troll buster — November 7, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
It doesn’t smell like teen spirit, that’s for sure.
You have a good nose.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:50 pmThis thread isn’t about torture, so let’s get back to the real subject.
Comment by troll buster — November 7, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
Agreed. What is the proper temp of the earth, I mean before the economy is destroyed and I get taxed for breathing, what temp are we shooting for?
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 10:33
pm
First, one must understand the difference between heat and temperature. The, misnamed, Global Warming issue is about HEAT. Heat, is the measure of energy expressed, in America, in BTU.
The greenhouse effect is stated, simply, as: a thickening of the atmosphere results in a larger amount of retained heat. This may, or may not, result in increased temps.
Other factors, in global climate change, include; cloud cover and replacing forests, plains, icecaps and even deserts with; concrete, asphalt and, at the poles, open water. All of these things absorb more heat.
All of this information is readily available and, despite the ravings of energy industry shills, is not in dispute. Yet, the Bush administration is concealing the conclusions of experts. Why?
And, once again, HOW THE HECK CAN HE CLAIM EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE FOR NON-STRATEGIC INFORMATION?
The most likely explanation is that the truth is worse than we feared and the policies of the right wing have made it worser still. (Sorry, when one discusses idiots…)
So, to answer your question, we are not shooting for a particular temp. What we need to accomplish is to restore the rate of heat retention to it’s former value. A value which was remarkably constant for, at least 800,000 years, notwithstanding brief “ice ages”.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:53 pmComment by pete — November 7, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Oops! I forgot the Psyco-Christians, like Bush, who believe “God will fix it”. Which is, of course, stupid to the point of insanity.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:56 pmFor them, there is NOTHING that is beyond limits to be performed on them for their destruction of this country, the Constitution, and their TREASONIST acts.
Sorry to continue the OT.
Alright then, if nothing is off limits then why stop at waterboarding? If we are going to torture someone just for torture then why not move on to the really bad stuff such as burning, amputating, skinning, breaking on the wheel, etc. etc.?
If no one volunteers to do the torture, will you step forward?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:08 pmWe just can’t seem to stop questining this can we? Bush is king. That’s it. He is royal and can do whatever he wants, to whomever he wants, regarding whatever he wants, whenever he wants – for no discernible reason except that he wants it. Period. End.
It’s time for torches and pitchforks, folks.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:11 pm“If no one volunteers to do the torture, will you step forward?”
Please stick to the subject of this thread or move on.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:12 pmSo, to answer your question, we are not shooting for a particular temp. What we need to accomplish is to restore the rate of heat retention to it’s former value. A value which was remarkably constant for, at least 800,000 years, notwithstanding brief “ice agesâ€.
Thanks, so how do we restore the rate of heat retention to its former value without destroying the economies of the world?
The Kyoto Protocol certainly won’t succeed so will it be necessary to implement more drastic measures?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:14 pmPlease stick to the subject of this thread or move on.
Comment by troll buster — November 7, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
You forgot to include RemoveBush in your request, a minor oversight I’m sure.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:15 pmThe Kyoto Protocol certainly won’t succeed becuase the Bush administration did ratify it.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:16 pmOK, who said this:
The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society;
and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret
societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long
ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of
pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify
it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a
closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today,
there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our
traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that
an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those
anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official
censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the
extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration,
whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should
interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to
stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press
and the public the facts they deserve to know.
No, it wasn’t Bush… (yeah, like he’d say that!)
November 7th, 2007 at 11:17 pmcorrection: The Kyoto Protocol certainly won’t succeed because the Bush administration did NOT ratify it.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:19 pmIt’s time for torches and pitchforks, folks.
Comment by Marie — November 7, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
We can meet up your house so you can lead the way, or is this merely more soapbox ranting and then off to bed? Take charge or quit advocating.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“I don’t recognize the speech.”
JFK
November 7th, 2007 at 11:22 pmWhy can’t we get a better quality troll on T.P.?
Comment by troll buster — November 7, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
why can’t it just be IGNORED?
eh?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:25 pmThanks, so how do we restore the rate of heat retention to its former value without destroying the economies of the world?
That is unclear, however, we can try: reduced consumption through more efficient fuel use, investment in alternative energy, population control, low impact agriculture and a host of others.
I don’t think any of these would harm anything but the short term profits of the fossil fuel industry. In fact, it will create new industries and may even return manufacturing jobs to our shores. But, none of this can/will happen without breaking our insane addiction to excess.
Now, MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu, I have a question. What in the world would motivate this administration to claim climate studies are covered by “executive privilege”? For the life of me, all I can assume is that they are hiding info that damages their credibility.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:25 pmAnd this:
I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers–I
welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors;
for as a wise man once said: “An error does not become a mistake until
you refuse to correct it.” We intend to accept full responsibility for
our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.
Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no
November 7th, 2007 at 11:26 pmcountry can succeed–and no republic can survive. That is why the
Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink
from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First
Amendment– the only business in America specifically protected by the
Constitution- -not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize
the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply “give the public what
it wants”–but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers
and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to
lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.
How do YOU know????
There are only 2 or 3 countries who have not signed it……
Care to guess which one of those countries might be?????
Because the Kyoto Protocol, if fulfilled by every signatory, would reduce global warming by 0.07 degrees Celsius per half-century.
That’s too small to measure because the earth’s temperature varies by more than that from year to year.
Yes, the United States is one of the non-signers but other polluters (including the biggest-China) are not required to adhere to it as they have been labeled “developing economies”. Other signers cheat the system or buy credits from nations which have almost no real industry.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:26 pmDing Ding Ding, we have a winnah. #80 Wins the stuffed Chimp..err, Teddy Bear.
It was a speech JFK gave to the American Newspaper Publishers Association, at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in NY on April 27, 1961
The text and audio can be found here:
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishers04271961.htm
Thought it was appropriate since Executive Privilege (i.e., secrecy) is so prominent now.
Really miss JFK. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on Bush43 and where we’re going now. Talk about prescient…
T
November 7th, 2007 at 11:31 pmThat is unclear, however, we can try: reduced consumption through more efficient fuel use, investment in alternative energy, population control, low impact agriculture and a host of others.
It would be difficult to invest in alternate energy sources when those viable sources either require us to burn our food supply, produce nuclear waste or generally piss-off those who would thwart such efforts. I’m with you on the premise, but having it happen within the window which we have been told is closing fast seems unrealistic.
The term “population control” is a bit stickier and bit scarier, images of Chinese agents forcing abortions on women come to mind.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:31 pmWe can meet up your house so you can lead the way, or is this merely more soapbox ranting and then off to bed? Take charge or quit advocating.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
When you enlist you can talk like that and have some standing. In the meantime, you’re just a pansy coward erecting straw men that are knocked down in record time. Just another wingnut loser, with nothing but air for brains and a handful of morons beside you to continue defending the lies and treason of the worst president in American history. Waterborading, by the way, would be superb punishment and very educational for those who advocate its use. Or any other form of torture, for that matter. That includes most of the Bush administration. It’s not about confessions, it’s about justice, an unfortunately foreign concept to rightards. You’re such a loser.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 pmwhy can’t it just be IGNORED?
eh?
Another good question.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 pmNow, MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu, I have a question. What in the world would motivate this administration to claim climate studies are covered by “executive privilege� For the life of me, all I can assume is that they are hiding info that damages their credibility.
I suppose I would conclude the same thing, though the more intricate machinations behind such concepts as ‘executive priviledge’ are beyond my ability or want to really care about.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI suppose I would conclude the same thing, though the more intricate machinations behind such concepts as ‘executive priviledge’ are beyond my ability or want to really care about.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
Pretty much all anyone needs to know about the “patriotism” of wingnut tools. Either too lazy or too stupid to understand the concepts America was founded on. Typical.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:38 pmAnd WHAT EXACTLY have YOU taken charge of, other than playing CHIEF WHINER?
My own life, as far as government intrusion allows me at this point. I guess I’m just one of those guys who gets really tired of the chants about revolution from people who enjoy the opportunity and excess that the country provides.
Quit yelling about torches and pitchforks if you aren’t willing to lead the pack, torch in hand.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:38 pmEither too lazy or too stupid to understand the concepts America was founded on. Typical.
I volunteer myself as too lazy; I have better things to do than try to understand the small details which politicians use to make their case about anything. Too much of it tends to be a chest-puffing contest about who has more authority over this or that.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:41 pmThanks, so how do we restore the rate of heat retention to its former value without destroying the economies of the world?
The Kyoto Protocol certainly won’t succeed so will it be necessary to implement more drastic measures?
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
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By following the example of CIVILIZED and rich countries such as Norway which will be free of carbon emissions in a few years. They follow the advice of their scientists and do not censor them. They know that doing nothing about carbon emissions will be worse for the world’s economy in the long run.
And please, do not come back with your childish question about temperature. You’ve already been taught the difference between temperature and heat balance. Don’t let your poor retention of facts show.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThe term “population control†is a bit stickier and bit scarier, images of Chinese agents forcing abortions on women come to mind.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Agreed, it’s a scary concept. And none of the other options are cheap or easy. However, doing nothing, or willfully worsening the situation, aren’t great options either. Personally, I’m more concerned with all the synthetic chemicals we are spewing out. There are lots of new (50 years or less) compounds which could have unforeseen effects. We simply don’t know what they can do.
And I still can’t figure out how concealing data, behind “executive privilege”, helps anyone.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:45 pmANY MACHINATIONS are BEYOND YOUR ABILITY to THINK ABOUT, as for what you CARE ABOUT, if you’re as STUPID AND SELFISH as MOST REPUBLICANS – it’s probably ONLY ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL TAXES! RIGHT B!!!TCH?
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 7, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Still with the anger problem, what gives?
Yes, for me it is about my personal taxes and government intrusion into my life. I don’t care who marries who, what religion you belong to, how you dress or who decide to sleep with, just get out of my life and quit taxing every single thing I do.
Protect me and my family, pave the roads and provide a police force (among other things) and I will happily pay for it; quit taxing me when I get married, quit taxing me for a social benefit that I will never receive and quit taxing me for my habits.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:47 pmAccording to the Pentagon (those crazy left-wing kooks) the greatest threat in the future is from wars over water and food, and the hundreds of millions of refugees due to GLOBAL WARMING.
Global warming increases the number and severity of hurricanes (Do you remember the loss of New Orleans?), the number of wildfires, and droughts (Atlanta may actually be out of water in 75 days).
Do you have the want or ability to care about such intricate machinations behind such concepts, Mookie?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:48 pmComment by pete — November 7, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Agreed, open the books and have an honest debate about it, there can’t be any national security tripwires in a report like this.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:50 pmToo much of it tends to be a chest-puffing contest about who has more authority over this or that.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
So, no different from the garbage you post and the greed and selfishness you espouse. Got it.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:50 pmProtect me and my family, pave the roads and provide a police force (among other things) and I will happily pay for it; quit taxing me when I get married, quit taxing me for a social benefit that I will never receive and quit taxing me for my habits.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Shorter Mookie: It’s all about me!
Who do you think pays for your community college classes?
But, seriously, it really isn’t about you at all. It’s about what’s good for the entire society, for the entire species, for the entire planet. Your petty whining about getting married (as if!) and your family (ha!) are only evidence of your self-obsession.
Seek professional help. The universe really doesn’t revolve around you, no matter how much you try to make it so.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:56 pmI believe in giving credit where credit is due. Interspersed with the mud-slinging, Mookie and I have had a nice, civil, discussion. Perhaps we have even learned something?
If this country, and the human race, are to survive we need to reduce the widening gap between ideologies. I think it’s fair to say that extremism is driven by people who do NOT have our best interests at heart. We all need to start concentrating on our similarities rather than our differences.
And, on that note, I bid you all G’night.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:58 pmGlobal warming increases the number and severity of hurricanes (Do you remember the loss of New Orleans?), the number of wildfires, and droughts (Atlanta may actually be out of water in 75 days).
There were less hurricanes last year than the year Katrina occurred, not to mention this year also, and New Orleans almost died because of a failed levee system designed to protect a city that has always been below sea level. Part of the flooding problem also had to do with the destruction (by human development) of the wetlands which historically slowed down tidal surges.
Wildfires weren’t even on the radar until the recent Cali fires and then everyone seemed to jump, ignoring the forest detritus which eco-groups have lobbied to save from thinning practices and were the main cause of the fire’s severity.
November 7th, 2007 at 11:58 pmGood night pete, thanks for the decent convo.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:00 amComment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
you packed a lot of lies into that post, mook. A good handful. Nice to see that rightards still adhere to the lowest possible standard.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:05 amAh, an ANARCHIST, otherwise described as a RON PAUL LIBERTARIAN!
No, an anarchist would believe in no government or law whatsoever, obviously you didn’t read the rest of my post.
Whoop, wait, maybe you did read the post:
How do you plan to pay for all of those INFRASTRUCTURE issues without those taxes?
Ok maybe you read the post but didn’t comprehend the words. You must have missed the part (even though you italicized it) where I said I would happily pay for the infrastructure but I don’t want to be taxed unneccesarily for failed programs, taxed regressively or taxed for bridges to nowhere and hippy museums.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:07 amMookie, just because the graph of hurricane number and severity is not going perfectly straight up, does not mean it is not going up due to global warming.
Under your very limited government, money does not get spent on New Orleans levee repair/maintenance; and wetlands do not get protected from development. Those are liberalism. Holland does not have a problem with being below sea level.
Your sentence on the wildfires is totally false. They have been increasing in number and severity for years. Eco-groups are not running the country—conservatives are!
November 8th, 2007 at 12:10 amProtect me and my family, pave the roads and provide a police force (among other things) and I will happily pay for it; quit taxing me when I get married, quit taxing me for a social benefit that I will never receive and quit taxing me for my habits.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 7, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
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How about borrowing money from foreign countries to wage war? Or do you think those should also be charged to the national credit card?
If the social benefit you’re referring to is Social Security and Medicare, it has been falsely claimed that the system is broke as part of the campaign to privatize the system.
After this president has squandered away 3 trillion dollars in taxbreaks for the rich, it will be more difficult to balance the books but it can be done, as long as it is not left in the hands of the proponents of Darwinian economics who hate the Roosevelt legacy and would like instead to live according to the law of “survival of the fittest”.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:18 amMookie, do you know more than the Pentagon study, or was it done by left-wing tin-foil hat, eco-kooks?
November 8th, 2007 at 12:18 amMookie, just because the graph of hurricane number and severity is not going perfectly straight up, does not mean it is not going up due to global warming.
Nor does it mean global warming is the cause.
Under your very limited government, money does not get spent on New Orleans levee repair/maintenance; and wetlands do not get protected from development. Those are liberalism. Holland does not have a problem with being below sea level.
Read it again, I will happily pay for infrastructure and there would be more money for such things and less taxes on me if we weren’t spending the money on useless bridges, hippy museums and empty buildings named after the politicians who provide the money to build it. Those costs are liberal and conservative, hand in hand at the trough.
Holland survives because they have always fought the sea, they have literally nowhere to run. New Orleans ignored its tenuous grip and developed the marshland which has, since time immemorial, served as a buffer against the sea. Combine that with an improper levee system and the clock was ticking on its demise.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:25 amYour sentence on the wildfires is totally false. They have been increasing in number and severity for years. Eco-groups are not running the country—conservatives are!
The areas which survived the worst of the fires were those who had the foresight to thin out the fallen timber and brush which eco groups sought to thwart. The California Dept. of Forestry even admitted that such debris was a major contributor to the severity and size of the fires.
Throw in the Santa Ana winds which have ALWAYS been there and you have the disaster which were the recent fires.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:28 amGlobal warming is happening. It raises sea temperatures. This increases the severity of hurricanes. There is no ifs, ands, nor buts about it.
There are records kept of acreage lost due to fires. It has been greatly increasing before the latest in California. Eco groups are not in control.
There are records kept of rainfall. The US is quickly heading for serious trouble. It’s not going to be forty years down the road. Again, Atlanta may actually be out of water in 75 days.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:32 amActually it was largely URBANIZATION that cause these fires to be so constructive – and that was in fact something the environmentalists fought. The same folks you CLAIM are ALL POWERFUL – ah the irony!
Do forest and wildfires normally start and spread in urban areas? Why do we not see regular reports of wildfires burning their way through Chicago or Detroit?
The houses and neighborhoods that survived fires which spread all around them were those that took steps to thin the forest of dead trees and brush prior to the fires. Nature has always taken its own hand in doing just that; forest and wildfires are normally natural occurrences in which all that dead stuff is burned away.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 12:28 am
More lies. the eco groups sought to thwart Bush’s rape of the land by turning it over to logging companies for pennies on the dollar. You are one simpleton.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by Keith — November 8, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Yes, I agree it is happening but to what extent human involvement is to blame is the argument, and what to do about it.
If you believe the doomsayers, we have ten years to radically change just about everything, the problem is that we heard such things ten years ago and if true today, we couldn’t do a fracking thing in ten years to save ourselves anyway.
Adhering to Kyoto won’t make a difference and cutting ourselves off from oil will collapse the global economy.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:40 amAll rolled up in one post.
Mookie, not only would I start the parade with the pitchfork, I would have you prominantly impaled on its end.
As for Bush and Waterboarding. I would be MORE than happy to perform it on any of the mofos in the cabal, and the purpose would be to DOCUMENT (scientific terms, be careful) the EXTENT that waterboarding is UNSUCCESSFUL. You know get him (them) to admit to and and everything. JFK murder (oops Pappy did that), Help the Nazis (oops Grad Pappy did that) Shoot Ronnie Raygun (oops Pappy did that through family friend) Oh man what can we get them to inapporpropriately give testimony to, AHHH I Got it, that they Edumacated you. There you go, THAT will be our halmark admittance.
As for understanding Wether we SHOULD or SHOULD not do anything about Global Climate change (by the way please explain how the earth is supposed to handle 7 billion humans, since it HAS NEVER HAD THAT MANY ON ITS FACE BEFORE?) Try reading a book, other than the weekly reader given out in current events, and even if you watch some youtube you can see that it is evident, that ANYONE with a smattering of interest for even their own family, recognizes that SOMETHING must be done, because the RISK associated with doing NOTHING is TOO BIG.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:45 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg
Do environmentalists have the power to not prevent development but to control the after affects?
Yes and yes. Eco groups routinely sue cities and states from developing, witness ANWR. They prevented logging companies from harvesting the dead trees and wood debris from forested areas, claiming it was nature’s way, except that nature uses fire to do the same thing and the results were catastrophic by human measures.
Neither Chicago nor Detroit gets 2 inches a year in rain, and Chicago burned down multiple times without any greenery to speak of!
When was the last time Chicago burned? If you said 1871 then you are correct. That’s “18″71, when most of Chicago was made of…you guessed it…rickety wooden tenaments and row buildings. Real urbanization, i.e. paved roads and permanent hard-slab buildings, put an end to such possible natural conflagrations.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:58 amLike I said, SHOW YOUR LINKS where the ENVIRONMENTALISTS BLOCKED CLEARING?
This is a GAO report.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=12401
November 8th, 2007 at 1:00 amThe IPCC already laid out the roadmap, the problem is that you GOP HACKS are OBSTRUCTING PROGRESS!
What, Kyoto? Sorry it won’t work. Nor will such dreams as wind energy because “GOP HACKS” such as Ted Kennedy won’t allow any windfarms where they will do the most good, especially when they block his view.
We have? Were they from the SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY? Where did we hear 10 years ago that we only have 10 years to RADICALLY CHANGE?
I guess it depends on what you view as the scientific community; Al Gore is preaching the same ten year window today (actually two years ago which means we are down to eight), do you believe him?
You sound like the whiners that complained about industrialization and AUTOMOBILES! You’re a FOOL!
You don’t really know anything about this subject, do you?
November 8th, 2007 at 1:06 amComment by republicans hate facts — November 8, 2007 @ 1:02 am
I provide the facts, you dismiss them as propaganda, most likely because you can’t understand them though that itself is very understandable.
Turns out that the ANTI-TAX REPUBLICANS are largely responsible for the out of control fires, not the environmentalists!
Sorry but the fires would not have been nearly as severe if it weren’t for the piles of debris that the eco groups wouldn’t allow to be harvested. Perhaps if San Diego didn’t have to pay for backward liberal programs like illegal immigrant welfare, it might have more money to devote to the real needs of the city.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:14 amThis is a GAO report.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=12401
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu
UH excuse me. The link you provided WAS NOT A GOA report. It was a poor LIE of a supposed summary of a fictitious GAO report. Event the search hint at the bottom of your stupid link, leads back to the same posting, not to the GAO report as promised.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:18 amBut then taking it even further and GOING to GAO and searching for the MAY 15, 2003 report, we find NONE that match.
http://www.gao.gov/docsearch/app_processform.php?app_id=docdblite_date&page=All
So, once again MORE PROOF that you are FULL OF SHIIT!
Sorry, I said IPCC, and specifically it was released this year. I’m not surprised you’re ignorant of this.
Sorry, you said GOP HACKS. Do you have a problem remembering your own words? Perhaps a glass of water would help? Take a break if you need to, I’ll understand.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:22 amSorry but the fires would not have been nearly as severe if it weren’t for the piles of debris that the eco groups wouldn’t allow to be harvested. Perhaps if San Diego didn’t have to pay for backward liberal programs like illegal immigrant welfare, it might have more money to devote to the real needs of the city.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:14 am
Sorry but that’s your typical bullshit. Nobody was tasked with clearing the dead debris, ever. that’s another straw man, burned to a crisp. Logging old-growth areas was the real reason, for pennies on the dollar. We’re not as stupid and gullible as you, so give it up.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:22 amOH and BTW, BUSH IS STILL A TRAITOR AND USES EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE WAYYY BEYOND THE TERMS SET BY THE “ACTIVIST JUDGES” GAVE HIM THE POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
And BTW, who gives the Corporation ANY of their rights?
November 8th, 2007 at 1:23 amHint: it isn’t the constitution.
Yup you guessed it ACTIVIST JUDGES.
Where is my can of Troll-be-gone?
November 8th, 2007 at 1:27 amGotta get me a backup.
You F***KErs first blame people from preventing you to remove debris, and when I point out it was not because of the environmentalists but your CHEAPNESS, you don’t acknowledge your LIE, and you turn it into a WHINY LITTLE RANT about ILLEGALS! Sorry, but it’s YOUR PRIORITIES, the Mayor is GOP – so it’s YOUR FAULT – LYING GIRL!
Logging companies pay for the priviledge of removing the timber or they do it for free because they WANT the wood…ya see the logging industry sells the wood to paper mills and such…and the paper mills make paper products…ah, its capitalism, you wouldn’t understand.
And getting back to my tax stand, as I’m sure you have already forgotten, I am willing to pay for infrastructure but not for hippy museums and certainly not to provide free healthcare to every illegal that manages to squirm across the border.
Hint: illegal means “illegal”. Oh sorry, I forgot who I was talking to, national sovereignty doesn’t mean much to the left.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:27 amand you didn’t even aware that your own Mayor was the one responsible for the thing you blamed others on.
You really are having trouble with this, are you suffering from hypoglycemia? Perhaps not only a glass of water but also a bit of candy will get you back on track.
I’ll wait while you nibble on your snack.
Ok, ready? If San Diego weren’t having to pay for all the stupid and useless programs that liberals have foisted on America, there would be more money for the really important things like firefighters and cops.
Now I know that you lefties want to give free everything to everyone while requiring no personal responsibility on their part, back here in reality we realize that there isn’t enough money to go around.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:32 amSOVEREIGNTY!!!!!!
SOVEREIGNTY!!!!!!
SOVEREIGNTY!!!!!!
You have the balls to use the word SOVEREIGNTY!!!!!!
November 8th, 2007 at 1:33 amHint: illegal means “illegalâ€. Oh sorry, I forgot who I was talking to, national sovereignty doesn’t mean much to the left.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:27 am
which is why your capitalist bosses did so much to forestall illegal immigration when they had both houses and the presidency. Your stupidity is growing exponentially. and national sovereignty means absolutely nothing to the right. witness Iraq. You’re really not much of a challenge at all.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:34 am“back here in reality”
Gives flashlight to girliemookie to help he/she look for ass.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:35 amOh, its right there in front of you being handed to you by republicans hate facts
How convenient. Just when you thought it was lost.
Now I know that you lefties want to give free everything to everyone while requiring no personal responsibility on their part, back here in reality we realize that there isn’t enough money to go around.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:32 am
November 8th, 2007 at 1:36 ambut you’ll happily throw away trillions to bomb Iraqi families and enrich arms dealers. Sorry, you lose again. Your complaints about Americans taking care of their own are just the indicators of a greedy, selfish, uncivilized animal.
Hint, UNDERBRUSH is NOT TIMBER!
Hint: underbrush (in its colloquial sense) is also used in the wood products industry and would gladly be harvested by logging companies.
I wouldn’t expect you to know this, par for the course I’m beginning to notice.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:36 amOOPS, who put that old growth forest over my underbrush. Damn hippies. I paid good bribes to plunder, I mean harvest this underbush, and if I have to take down the whole forest to get to my underbrush, well so be it. I paid $.03 per acre for this underbrush. And that was too much.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:38 ambut you’ll happily throw away trillions to bomb Iraqi families and enrich arms dealers. Sorry, you lose again. Your complaints about Americans taking care of their own are just the indicators of a greedy, selfish, uncivilized animal.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 8, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Scroll way way way way up in the thread to where I b!tch about spending billions every month on people who can’t get their collective head on straight.
Do that before you go insane and start blabbering about Halliburton, Blackwater or Rove’s secret gulag system.
You also be sure to let me know when you volunteer to give away most of your possessions to the needy, or are you greedy selfish animal?
November 8th, 2007 at 1:39 amChange subject. How special.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:40 amIf that were TRUE, then why doesn’t San Diego simply SELL it to them?
Because the eco freaks wanted to keep the forest in its…uh…pristine condition (according to them). And so we go full circle, unfortunately your sanity only made it halfway.
Good try on your part though, the judges awarded you a four. Congrats.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:43 amHere troll-ie, troll-ie.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:43 amAre you seeking sustenance?
Are you dehydrated?
Is it that time of the month?
ou also be sure to let me know when you volunteer to give away most of your possessions to the needy, or are you greedy selfish animal?
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:39 am
perhaps you’d for once in your life try to get some facts on your side, instead of making rash assumptions. you’ve stated rather unequivocally that you don’t give a shit about anybody else, so don’t bother trying to pull that crap on me. I’m not as stupid as your friends, or you. Pig.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:43 amBecause the eco freaks wanted to keep the forest in its…uh…pristine condition (according to them). And so we go full circle, unfortunately your sanity only made it halfway.
Good try on your part though, the judges awarded you a four. Congrats.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:43 am
More lies. You never run out.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:44 ammookie, you slay me.
Just when we think you can put a cogent sentence together you pull that out of your arse.
Friggin hilarious.
THERE WERE NO FORESTS IN SAN DIEGO.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:45 amUnless those houses were Shrek’s
Ah, it’s always ALL OR NOTHING with the little ‘tards!
Reminds me of the democrat plan for illegal immigration: we can’t deport them all so they have to be made citizens.
No balance, no rational ideas, just drivers licenses and sanctuary cities.
You make my arguments for me without even knowing it, who says liberals aren’t worth keeping around for a while longer? Not I!
November 8th, 2007 at 1:46 amOK change topics once again.
BZZZT.
“we can’t deport them all so they have to be made citizens.”
And what would be the problem with making every one that gets here a citizen. Is there some reservoir of “CITIZENSHIP” that you F**kers control too? WOuld that mean that they then have to have AHHHGG!, RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY TAXES, and CONTRIBUTE to the society at large. OMG!!
November 8th, 2007 at 1:49 amAh, but I ALREADY ESTABLISHED that this ISN’T TRUE, because the MAYOR OF SAN DIEGO TRIED TO CUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CLEARING THIS BRUSH TO SAVE MONEY!
Sorry, these were city employees who cleaned the brush from the major urban areas, not guys who went into the forests to clear the mega-debris.
It was the eco freaks who kept the forests from being cleared of the wood detritus, if you can’t follow along then you need to leave because I’m getting tired of ’splainin the obvious to someone who has obvious troubles.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:50 amMAYBE the MEXICANS who are made citizens would have fought the fire.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:50 amNo balance, no rational ideas, just drivers licenses and sanctuary cities.
You make my arguments for me without even knowing it, who says liberals aren’t worth keeping around for a while longer? Not I!
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:46 am
and you’d do what? Round them up and shoot them? You’re probably unaware of the fact that they pay more in taxes an receive fewer services than citizens. Your arguments aren’t arguments, they’re statements in error, with no research or facts to back them up. they are simpleminded talking points, regurgitated without thought. Liberals currently make up the majority in this country, so “keeping us around” is really not your choice, is it?
November 8th, 2007 at 1:51 amChange topics again….
Bzzzt
All I see is that KAHLIFONIA has some SERIOUS house cleaning to do next year.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:52 amIt was the eco freaks who kept the forests from being cleared of the wood detritus, if you can’t follow along then you need to leave because I’m getting tired of ’splainin the obvious to someone who has obvious troubles.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:50 am
Lying is not the same as explaining, as I’ve pointed out to you before, speaking of getting tired of your bullshit. it was not th “eco freaks” (no such people) who prevented a non-existent practice, but keep on beating that dead horse, maybe some other rightard moron will log on and believe you.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:53 amAnd what would be the problem with making every one that gets here a citizen.
Because most of them are unskilled laborers and thanks to the liberal victimization programs we already have all the unskilled labor we need.
We can’t afford to take care of every single day worker who manages to set foot on U.S. territory, sorry but even your tender liberal heart would balk at the cost.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:53 amComment by Lefty Patriot — November 8, 2007 @ 1:53 am
Sorry but you are wrong, failing to accept that may have to be chalked-up to some form of reduced mental capacity or something.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:55 amthat may have to be chalked-up to some form of reduced mental capacity or something.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:55 am
Hmmmm… appears to be talking to himself again.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:57 amShe says she’s a girl, sounds like aphrodite, down to the ‘tender liberal heart’ crack. Poor stupid little thing!
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 8, 2007 @ 1:58 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Where did I say that? Heh, you have turned into a one-freak sideshow.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:01 amWe can’t afford to take care of every single day worker who manages to set foot on U.S. territory, sorry but even your tender liberal heart would balk at the cost.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 1:53 am
How can you be so wrong on so many subjects so consistently? It’s really amazing. I have already pointed out to you, you ignorant bigot, that these people pay far more into the system than they take out of it, in effect, lowering your taxes. You are the king of stupid.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:03 amStill waiting ‘tard, which NATIONAL FOREST again was burning?
Who said “National” forest?
Wait…are you making things up again? The water didn’t help you out? Perhaps a piece of toast with some apple jelly will clear your head.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:03 amWell jeepers, thank God Schumer and Feinstein capitulated to Lil’ George on Mukasey! We wouldn’t want to get George mad by insisting on documents regarding Global Warming, and we CERTAINLY wouldn’t want to upset The Boy King by denying his new lil’ torture buddy the top seat at Justice. Just keep chanting…. DEFER TO GEORGE…DEFER TO GEORGE…24%… DEFER TO GEORGE….24%…. DEFER TO GEORGE…
November 8th, 2007 at 2:08 amHow can you be so wrong on so many subjects so consistently? It’s really amazing. I have already pointed out to you, you ignorant bigot, that these people pay far more into the system than they take out of it, in effect, lowering your taxes. You are the king of stupid.
You have to be the slowest person I have ever met, and I live in a blue state so that is really saying something.
They aren’t paying in anything you ig’nant gadfly, if they were, hospitals on the coasts wouldn’t be closing due to paying for uninsured illegals making ER visits for a hangnail.
Now I know you like to consider yourself a proper little lib but you don’t actually venture into the neighborhoods where these people dwell, caring white liberals prefer to form their victim groups from afar.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:08 amRepublicans have mastered being wrong about EVERY topic! It’s the core commonality – plus their hypocrisy!
I support giving DL’s to illegals.
Wait, no I don’t!
Ok maybe I do…which way are the polls going today?
November 8th, 2007 at 2:10 amFreak Show is a great description of you. Here’s your post – poor little ‘tard!
Wait…
This is proof of your….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
-cough cough-
Proof of your assertion that I’m female?..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You said that I said…wait…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You claimed I said I was a girl…and this is your proof? That I used the words “tender liberal heart”?
Wait for it…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You have become a parody! I love you guys, where do you get this shat?
November 8th, 2007 at 2:15 amNow I know you like to consider yourself a proper little lib but you don’t actually venture into the neighborhoods where these people dwell, caring white liberals prefer to form their victim groups from afar.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu — November 8, 2007 @ 2:08 am
Once again, completely fact-free. Illegals pay taxes. that’s a fact. hospitals close because of republican “free-market” mass-murderers and insurance companies, not because of illegals. You have just completely made up a huge lie to try to save face, but you’re caught out now, shown up for a liar. And the only whites in those neighborhoods are liberals, you coward. Your ignorance is ony exceeded by your immorality. I’m done with you; you are ingenuou and thoroughly boring in your unimaginative lies and self-aggrandizing bullshit. You’ve been proven wrong on every subject here tonight. You’re flushed.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:16 amYou describe Rudy and Mitt perfectly! Great impression!
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 8, 2007 @ 2:11 am
Sorry, I forgot the hideous cackle and claims about being swiftboated by fellow democrats.
‘Blue on Blue’ takes on a whole new meaning.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:18 amAnd the only whites in those neighborhoods are liberals, you coward.
Nope, they are hard working conservatives. All the liberals ran for better neighborhoods where they could form victim caucuses without actually having to mix with the declared victims.
Admit it, you lock your door at the carwash as the hispanic guy wipes down your windows.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:21 amYou also forgot that I pointed out your hypocrisy, which you ignored – ah the irony!
You have been ignoring the facts all night long, it must be your ‘condition’.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:24 amBAHAHA, that’s so stupid, it’s hysterical!
I know I know! I’m laughing right along with you! Imagine Rich White Guy JFKerry showing up and the CBC and pleading that he be considered as the next black president…it really is hysterical! Let’s laugh this one out..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BAHAHA, a wingnut lecturing about racism – ah the irony!
HAHAHAHAHA! I hear ya man! Especially when you include the new word you just discovered, “irony”. This makes it….HAHAHAHAHAHA…what, about fifty posts of yours so far that have included “ah the irony”.
Whew…I am about laughed out, dude!
November 8th, 2007 at 2:29 amPoor little ‘tard! SO MANY CLAIMS, SO FEW FACTS TO BACK THEM UP!
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 8, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Sorry but I have been posting facts all night that you have swept away as progaganda. You can’t name one post of mine, much less three or four (as you claim) that don’t firmly smash your inanities into dust.
Maybe if you get angrier your head will clear up, though it doesn’t seem to be working so well for the Cackler©.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:32 amOh, the CACKLER, was that a stupid attack at Hillary? Because you do realize that her approval SHOT UP after the laughs? HEHE, facts have a liberal bias, your poor dumb little broad!
Even if they had (which they didnt) they shot right back down again with her incredibly stupid handling of the questions at the Dhimmocrat debate. She is a fool and you are a follower of a fool which is just as bad.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:52 amYEAH, the IRONY of REPUBLICANS LECTURING ON BIGOTRY!!! BAHAHAAAAAAAA That’s like Hitler explaining what it means to BE A GOOD JEW!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA! I know what you mean, man, democraps lecturing on bigotry is like Jesse Jackson calling someone a hymie….err…forget that one.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:55 amSo here’s another chance little girl, WHICH SPECIFIC FORESTS BURNED THAT COULDN’T BE CLEARED?
I have already told you in multiple posts and since you seem unable to refute what I said I am forced to believe that you are incapable of stringing two thoughts together.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:56 amYou are having trouble pinpointing your ineptitude, arent you? You can’t even remember where you have been so pwned as to need an application of Desitin.
Name three posts where I didn’t own your frazzled spine, you cant do it and we both know it.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:04 amYou have crossdressing Rude-ee making remarks about TORTURING New Yorkers, and you’re lecturing on Democrats being FOOLISH? BAHAHA, SURE THING, Foolish little girl!
Hillbill is losing points to Obama and Obama is the biggest tyro in the dhimmocrat field. Her numbers dont add up, similar to your logic.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:05 amBAHAHA, you calling someone else a FOOL, THE IRONY!!!
That would be post #51 to include “irony”, your new word. Admit it you had to look it up.
Note to self: -provide dictionary to RHF so he can discover more words that arent cat, sue, nan or tom-
November 8th, 2007 at 3:08 amall you provided is a LINK TO A PROPAGANDA WEBSITE
Like I have been saying all night, you write off facts as propaganda. Youre a liberal so you cant be helped.
BAHAHA, sure, whatever
The answer every liberal fob gives when they have been biotchslapped with the facts. Im surprised it took you this long to say it, considering the clobbering Ive foisted on you.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:14 amDhimmicrats cant back up their assertions.
Ready to link to where I lied in any of my posts? Not opinion, factualized posts.
No? Didnt think so.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:15 amback to the topic.
Liberalese for “Im tired of having my face smashed into the ground post after post, so Im running for it”.
Its alright dude, your man will still love you no matter how badly you got whacked tonight.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:18 amSo that means you DIDN’T POST A FACT, you posted an IRRELEVANT LINK.
Bullshat, name the post. Liar.
You cant? No shiite, you have been trailing around the edges all night, its no wonder you cant back it up when there isnt a man standing behind you.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:20 amLying again. Name ONE post, just one, but you cant because you got your panties in such a twist that even your boyfriend couldnt get them off.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:22 amOr figure out how to heat our homes without using wood, coal, natural gas or nuclear power.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu
Huh?
Try rubbing your hands forcefully for about 20 seconds. They are heated. You performed work in order to convert it into heat.
That’s how your heat pump (probably you have one) works. You put work you get heat. Your fridge: you put work (electricity) you get cold (heat transfer from the food to the fluid inside the tubes in the fridge)
It has been known since almost 200 years.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:22 amIts alright dude, your man will still love you no matter how badly you got whacked tonight.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu
So the gay slur is intended to offend someone? mmm…
November 8th, 2007 at 3:24 amThe HERITAGE link you posted is related to NATIONAL FORESTS, yet you yourself said that National Forests didn’t burn. Therefore you POSTED NO LINK RELATED TO YOUR OWN POST
Ah, so you cant name the post. Huh, go figure. Ive been watching you sniff around without even being able to cite a simple post and this is what I get.
Cant even name ONE post. A liar and a lazy freakbog.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:24 am#131, Heartland’s article is on NATIONAL FORESTS, you POOR LITTLE FAT CROSSDRESSER!
Game, set, match.
You actually took the bait and went looking for that post.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You are soooo easily led.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:26 amYou actually took the bait and went looking for that post.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu
This is a blog.
web log.
People do read other people’s links.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:28 amBuy yourself a leash, RHF, you are my new dog.
hehehehe…you went scrolling all the way back to find that post, led to that effort like a whipped pooch.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:29 amHey, I have no problem bashing the trolls. TP will likely remove all of your trash tomorrow, and flush you down the toilet where you belong
No loss for me but you, YOU will have to live with the fact that you were led like a dog to go hunting for a post buried in the back of the thread.
Good doggie.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:31 amBuy yourself a leash, RHF, you are my new dog.
Comment by MookieJoeAndAGirlNamedLuLu
*yawn*
Another troll with impotence problems, so they find “owning” a person, reconforting.
Republican hate facts, it is not even funny this troll anymore.
Good night, all.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:32 amAnother troll with impotence problems, so they find “owning†a person, reconforting.
“Reconforting”? Wha?
Duh.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:34 amFirst this:
By the WAY, GIRLS don’t use the term PWNED, only GEEKY 12 year old boys use that term
Then this:
BHAAHA, poor little PWNED ‘TARD!
hehehehehehe….I know who you are now.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:36 amThis troll Lulu has been beaten so badly that I don’t know how he’s going to look at himself in the mirror again.
Great work republicans hate facts!
November 8th, 2007 at 4:57 amI would guess that Mookie was not Mr Pee, but aphrodite—-the 23 year-old spoilt anorexic from Redondo Beach who poses with genuine Nazis.
November 8th, 2007 at 5:22 amIllegal immigrants is a big thing with her—hence the Nazi photos:
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/08/nazis.jpgh0eyvw.jpg
November 8th, 2007 at 5:25 amCongresional oversight is written into the Constitution.
There is also some vague language addressing the need for the executive to be able to protect sources and counsel. Other time this has come to be known as Executive Previledge.
But times have changed since the Constitution was written. Much of the work that was handled for over 200 years by the Cabinet officers has been taken over by a political office inside the Whitehouse. Karl Rove increased the staffing for that political office by roughly 10 fold. Bush has thrown the Executive Previledge blanket over that entire operation.
If Congress is serious about regaining oversight it has the tools. Simply cut the Whitehouse budget by 90 percent and return the Whitehouse staff to its already bloated original size. That would cause the work to be performed by the Cabinet officers where it belongs.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:55 amThat should read “Over time” rather than “Other time” in my post above. Darn fingers type what they want.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:57 amI can see I’m late to this party — and the troll droppings in this thread have rendered it almost useless, so I’m pretty certain nobody will see my question here.
It’s my understanding that “executive privilege” is used to protect information that, if released, would jeopardize national security. Things like war plans and battle strategy come to mind. Keeping the Manhattan Project top secret would certainly fall into this category.
What in the world does findings about the possible effects of global warming have to do with national security? I think I know the answer — it doesn’t, but in order to push ahead with our agenda we need to keep the populace as ignorant as possible. Therefore, we must squelch any information that doesn’t fit with our plans. And it’s a matter of “national security” that we not be held accountable for doing it.
Am I missing something here?
November 8th, 2007 at 9:00 amMy fellow Progressives-
November 8th, 2007 at 9:06 amLulu the womder troll posted from 8:55pm-3:36am. Looks like he/she spent his entire shift at the RNC disrupting this thread thanks to you contributers who just can’t help taking the trollbait. An important topic’s discussions were waisted discussing off topic/strawman arguments and slinging insults. Do you expect first time curious progressives to actually read through this BS and come back to contribute to an intelligent conversation when every other post is not relevant to the topic? PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS! I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO RESIST COUNTERING THEIR STUPIDITY BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS SWIFTLY WITHOUT DIRECTLY ENGAGING THESE PAID, DISRUPTING FLYING MONKEYS. They NEVER have a valid point and intentionally move off topic. Keep your focus friends and by all means DO NOT GIVE THE TROLLS WHAT THEY CRAVE MOST…ATTENTION.
Good morning Miss Molly! I agree that EP was traditionally used soley to protect Nat’l Security. Cheney has set many precidences unfortunately. When he successfully blocked us from learning exactly who sat in on his “energy” plannings several years ago, now anything remotely related to “policy” decision making in this Administration is being covered by EP. I am amazed that this continues without question but unfortunately it has been used SO many times where do you start? We all know that the WH would fight any attempts all the way to the Supreme Court and we all know how that works (or doesn’t) now don’t we? Very sad that these people who work for us refuse to let us “check the books” about practically anything they’re involved with.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:13 amSenators McCain and Kyl, I request that you initiate the investigation of the use of ‘executive privilege’ and report by Dec. 1, 2007 to the American people. That is what I am writing to my senators. We all must expect loyal to the American public when there is suspected government abuse.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:39 amWe’re going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members — assuming journalism hasn’t been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.
http://icecap.us/ index.php/ go/ joes-blog/ comments_about_global_warming/
Comment by TCDon
John Coleman is my weather guy here in San Diego (KUSI – 51). He is a likable enough guy, but he is no expert on Global Warming. He founded the Weather Channel, so what? He may have some opinions of weather change, but he is not one to hang your star on. Hundreds of other scientists (Coleman is not a scientist) have better facts and examples for you to consider.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:38 amIf the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the manmade global warming myth, might media members notice?
Comment by TCDon — November 8, 2007 @ 10:28 am
If John Coleman is listened to, it wouldn’t be because he founded the Weather Channel, it would be because he’s a meteorologist — putting him in with all the other scientists who have spoken on the issue.
(At least, we assume he has a degree in meteorology — all we really know about his background is his work as a television weatherman.)
But no matter. Al Gore doesn’t have a degree in meteorology, nor has he worked as a television weatherman, nor has he founded any cable television channels.
So why do people listen to him? Because he brings plausible evidence to the table. Because he doesn’t say “believe this is true because I say so” — instead he says “look at what’s happening here; look at these trends; look at this evidence.”
If Al Gore deserves to be heard, I suppose John Coleman does, too. So I looked at your linked article. Nowhere does Coleman present any evidence to support his position. He doesn’t even present any data to debunk what Al Gore and the scientific community have put forth.
All he says is “I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct.”
This is not convincing. If he wants to be listened to, he needs to produce some actual support for his position. And this is the case no matter how many cable channels he’s founded.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:42 amjeez, these jokers don’t quit, now do they?
November 8th, 2007 at 5:41 pm