Poll: Iraq war opposition at all-time high.
By on Nov 8th, 2007 at 10:52 am
Poll: Iraq war opposition at all-time high.
New CNN poll released today finds:
Support for the war in Iraq has dropped to 31 percent and the 68 percent who oppose the war is a new record.
Despite the drop in violence in Iraq, only one quarter of Americans believes the U.S. is winning the war. There has been virtually no change in the past month in the number of Americans who believe that things are going badly for the U.S. in the war in Iraq.
The public also opposes U.S. military action against Iran. Sixty-three percent oppose air strikes on Iran, while 73 percent oppose using ground troops as well as air strikes in that country.
Overall, 56 percent, of Americans are dissatisfied with progress in the war on terrorism.
UPDATE:Kevin Drum has more analysis.
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wow, fool me once…won’t get fooled again!
November 8th, 2007 at 10:53 ameat it, pelosi.
November 8th, 2007 at 10:56 amThat’s why we are going to give GWB another blank check for 6 months. Makes perfect sense.
November 8th, 2007 at 10:57 amI thought the media surge was working!
November 8th, 2007 at 10:58 amWe have to stop calling this a “war” with some idea of “wining”. It’s an occupation. There was no declaration of war. There are no clear military objectives that would signify “wining”.
The sooner we all look at this in it’s proper context, the sooner the american public will see how much we’ve been had.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:01 amThe American people are begining to see that casualty numbers aren’t as significant in determining success as our Dear Leader would have us believe. The facts are we’ve switched back (against the Iraqi gov’ts objections) to stepped up use of air power which may reduce American body count #’s but kill innocent civilians colaterally in FAR greater numbers. The cease fire ordered my Moktada al Sadr months ago has also gone a long way in propping up lower numbers. The surge has had little or nothing to do with these latest casualty/injured counts.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:01 amThe fact is 2007 has been the deadliest year for US troops since the start of the war.
Thats the fact.
The rest is all hype.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 8, 2007 @ 10:59 am
It all depends how you massage the statistics. If you only look at attacks in Anbar province by left-handed assailants that occurred during a full moon, troop deaths are way down.
But do you see the LIEberal media reporting that fact? Nooooooooo!
November 8th, 2007 at 11:01 amWe have to stop calling this a “war†with some idea of “winingâ€. It’s an occupation. There was no declaration of war. There are no clear military objectives that would signify “winingâ€.
Comment by hellinabucket — November 8, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Or “winning,” for that matter. ;)
And to a lesser extent “whining.”
November 8th, 2007 at 11:02 amAdd to that, from a poll last week, the 52% who say they support a strike against Iran and we have a population of about 120%. Geeze, we are dense, ain’t we?
November 8th, 2007 at 11:02 amExcellent point, BATLEBEE. From every angle (except perhaps the view from Bushes lower bowel) there have been very little if any improvement on the ground since the surge was implemented.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:03 am“Despite the drop in violence in Iraq, only one quarter of Americans believes the U.S. is winning the war.”
Would this be the one quarter of Americans who still believe that Bush is doing a good job? The same one quarter of Americans who support Bushco so blindly that if they were told the moon was made of green cheese, they’d believe it?
November 8th, 2007 at 11:08 amYes, missmolly-the same 24% who support the troops by going shopping and displaying “support the troops” magnets that are made in China
November 8th, 2007 at 11:12 amThe same one quarter of Americans who support Bushco so blindly that if they were told the moon was made of green cheese, they’d believe it?
Comment by missmolly — November 8, 2007 @ 11:08 am
I bet this percentage aligns nicely with the percentage who thought the moon landings were fake. Otherwise Buzz Aldrin would’ve brought crackers.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:12 amAdd to that, from a poll last week, the 52% who say they support a strike against Iran and we have a population of about 120%. Geeze, we are dense, ain’t we?
Comment by Badmoodman — November 8, 2007 @ 11:02 am
If your 52% support for an Iran strike came from the same CNN poll I would agree that the poll is bogus.
However, I can’t find any poll (CNN or anyone else) that shows a 52% support for any kind of attack against Iran — air or ground.
Please provide a link. It may be from a completely different poll where the question was worded quite differencly. Thanks!
November 8th, 2007 at 11:13 amIt wouldn’t matter if it was 100% opposition – this administration is going to do whatever it wants. It’s not like the Democrats will stop them.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:15 amWould this be the one quarter of Americans who still believe that Bush is doing a good job? The same one quarter of Americans who support Bushco so blindly that if they were told the moon was made of green cheese, they’d believe it?
Comment by missmolly — November 8, 2007 @ 11:08 am
To put that in perspective, 48% of Americans believe in ghosts and 22% claim they have experienced contact with ghosts.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:16 am“Fool me once, shame on…on you…fool me twice…won’t get fooled again!”
November 8th, 2007 at 11:19 amThe SURGE was not about the number of DEATHS, it was about buying TIME for POLITICAL RECONCILIATION! There has been NO POLITICAL RECONCILIATION! The SURGE is a FAILURE!
November 8th, 2007 at 11:21 amComment by toasterhead — November 8, 2007 @ 11:02 am
thanks for the correction. I may have been thinking about the whining.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:22 amKind of annoying, really. Where were all these people before we invaded? Oh, really? You don’t like the war so much now? Think the human and economic cost is too high? Really? It only took you 4 years to realize that? Nice work.
http://www.tshirtinsurgency.com
November 8th, 2007 at 11:26 amIf everyone pretends that we have won in Iraq maybe the decider will let our troops come home. Of course with the Foreign Diplomats refusing to go to Iraq it will be a difficult pretense.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:28 amWhere is bigfeet, michael and the rest of the BushCo butt-lickers, defending their position?
Down at the Recruiting station signing up? NAWWWW! Didn’t think so. Chickenawk rules of engagement won’t that kind of behavior.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by missmolly — November 8, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Badmoodman must have been referring to that recent Zogby poll.
“A majority of likely voters – 52% – would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and 53% believe it is likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran before the next presidential election, a new Zogby America telephone poll shows.”
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1379
And as you can see it was worded quite “differently”, playing off people’s fears of nuclear weapons.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:40 amFeel the Surge…be the surge.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:40 amThink it will go higher.
I think so.
On the other hand, I don’t like Nancy, or lots of other folks in my Party, but I know that they did nothing to start this war and they are at wits end to try and stop Bushy and the other assholes who staterd this war and all the other problems that have happened in the years since 2000. I often wonder if some of the folks who deride Nancy are really from the other side of the aisle?
there is a difference between between being a critic of your own and the garbage we sometimes hear that seems to only go out to the left side of the fence.
Anybody else get that feeling?
November 8th, 2007 at 11:42 amDon’t tell the White House – they will be very angry.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:45 amtroll response – 68% percent of americans are islamofascist allies that hate our troops.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:47 amAnd, WHO CARES??? The Administration doesn’t!!!
As long as the GANG is making money, this BUSHIT will not stop!
November 8th, 2007 at 11:51 amWho care what the majority of the American People think??
It’s not like we’re a democracy!!
November 8th, 2007 at 11:53 amWow! This must be great news for Republicans, right?!
November 8th, 2007 at 11:57 amOne in four Americans meet the criteria for having a mental illness. Coincidence?
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0607milk07.html
November 8th, 2007 at 12:01 pm#34 One in four Americans meet the criteria for having a mental illness. Coincidence?
This explains the White House, but I do believe the WH is more like four of four.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:08 pmThis explains the White House, but I do believe the WH is more like four of four.
Comment by leftcoast
Well, you know the saying: “Morons of a feather flock together.”
November 8th, 2007 at 12:13 pmOne in four Americans meet the criteria for having a mental illness. Coincidence?
http://www.azcentral.com/ arizonarepublic/ news/ articles/ 0607milk07.html
Comment by erock — November 8, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Well it’s easy enough to round them up. We just have to ask everybody if they watch Fox News.
November 8th, 2007 at 12:16 pmIraq’s Maliki ends effort to bring back Sunni bloc
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/11/iraqs_maliki_ends_effort_to_br.php
So much for reconciliation…
November 8th, 2007 at 12:26 pmI have always grimaced in anger when I heard the term “spineless democrats”, now I cringe in fear because it is true. Who, aside from the powerless few, is paying attention to Americans?
November 8th, 2007 at 12:44 pm#17 Comment by missmolly — November 8, 2007 @ 11:13 am
The poll was a Zogby poll released October 29. You are correct that it was worded quite differently.
“A majority of likely voters – 52% – would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and 53% believe it is likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran before the next presidential election, a new Zogby America telephone poll shows.”
53% BELIEVE it is likely the US will be involved. BELIEVE does not mean support, but it gets even better…
“Democrats (63%) are most likely to believe a U.S. military strike against Iran could take place in the relatively near future, but independents (51%) and Republicans (44%) are less likely to agree. Republicans, however, are much more likely to be supportive of a strike (71%), than Democrats (41%) or independents (44%). Younger likely voters are more likely than those who are older to say a strike is likely to happen before the election and women (58%) are more likely than men (48%) to say the same – but there is little difference in support for a U.S. strike against Iran among these groups.”
Again, 63% of Dems BELIEVE and 41% of Dems are likely to be supportive, while 71% of Repubs are supportive of a strike.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:01 pm#40, crap, I forgot the link to the poll:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1379
November 8th, 2007 at 1:02 pmA “leader†who leads by following poll results is no leader, but a follower. One thing is clear — we don’t have a president who flip-flops with the polls.
Comment by TCDon
This is a democracy… should the ‘will of the people’ not figure in at some point?
November 8th, 2007 at 1:14 pmWe don’t have a leader, period. The Bush/Chymp Puppet listens only to God and Darth Cheney, not necessarily in that order.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:14 pm#42 – So what you’re saying is that a “leader” shouldn’t care what the public thinks and we should just follow like sheep ‘cuz they know better? You deserve this president, not me!
November 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWe don’t have a leader, period. The Bush/Chymp Puppet listens only to God and Darth Cheney, not necessarily in that order.
Comment by RUCerious
And their corporate donars. Oviously the ‘will of the people’ is very low on their list. But that’s fine with TCDon.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:17 pmYes and why does the Congress not notice these polls?
November 8th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThe commonly accepted concept of God has nothing to do with this president and his administration.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:19 pm#47 – Have you forgotten they don’t read Polls in the White House. And only Dan Bartlett had the courage to tell Bush bad news and Bartlett is no longer there. So the decider just goes his merry way being told by Cheney that all is well and take your cookie and nap now.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:19 pmTCDon: “A “leader†who leads by following poll results is no leader, but a follower.”
I hate to break it to you, you stupid fascist, but in this system we elect “representatives,” not “leaders.” That’s why it’s called a representative republic. Representatives, by definition, should represent their constituents opinions.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThis is a democracy… should the ‘will of the people’ not figure in at some point?
Comment by DigDug — November 8, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Dig – only the will of the RIGHT kind of people…
November 8th, 2007 at 1:28 pm#42 – So what you’re saying is that a “leader†shouldn’t care what the public thinks and we should just follow like sheep ‘cuz they know better?
Comment by jpoke42 — November 8, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Yup, jpoke42 – becuz Britney Spears sez so!!
*eyeroll*
November 8th, 2007 at 1:29 pmJPoke ~ OK, amend to read ‘ His “God” ‘
November 8th, 2007 at 1:39 pmThat’s odd, considering the surge has worked, and Iraqi refugees are returning home – think these numbers can hold up for an entire year? I doubt these numbers, mostly because Hill’reh’s numbers are soooooooo high.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pmSo TCDon, if Bush wakes up after his nappy and says that Jesus told him to bomb Canada that he should go ahead, even though 80% of Americans don’t agree with him?
That’s a logical conclusion from your inane post, are you fcking serious?
And I figure a decision to nuke Canada would even turn another 5% of the 25% born agains against Boy George, hence the 80% number.
November 8th, 2007 at 1:50 pmJason Hendler: “That’s odd, considering the surge has worked, and Iraqi refugees are returning home – think these numbers can hold up for an entire year?”
Yes, and it’s odd that most people think the earth revolves around the sun. The earth is the center of the universe and everything revolves around it.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#17, #40 and #41.
Check out this headline related to the poll you are referring to.
When you go to the poll it is worded as a preventer of nuclear weapons as stated in #40. This headline is worded as just
supporting a military strike.
Hopefully, this will be a link
November 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pm#42 No he flip flops on insurance for children…first he is promoting SCHIP then because it might cut into his money for Iraq he vetos. We are talking about 40 days of Iraq to fund insurance for sick kids and your man says NO. What an ass.
No money for anything for America just for his cronies and Iraq. Tell the people at the food banks that at least Bush is feeding them.
Have you ever heard charity and my tax money needs to start at home.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:48 pmBush couldn’t change a lightbulb without Cheney telling him how and you would give this man the decision to bomb a country.
We have Mr. Idiot and Mr. Paronoid in charge of the red button.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWhat is sad is . . . NONE OF IT MATTERS. Why? Because the Dems will do NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. They are just Repubs in a different uniform.
November 8th, 2007 at 7:03 pm“What is sad is . . . NONE OF IT MATTERS. Why? Because the Dems will do NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. They are just Repubs in a different uniform.”
Let’s see, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was during the 2000 election. It’s the kind of lazy thinking that gave us Bush. How about it, greenie, do you see any differences between Bush and Gore yet?
November 8th, 2007 at 7:16 pmStill 31% in favor of of the War? When is that Hale-Bopp comet coming back for those people?
There is nothing to win in Iraq.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:06 pmIt will make no difference. Bush does as HE wants, not as the people want. He couldn’t care less. The plans for war and domination of the Middle East was set before 9/11 and has continued, on schedule, just as the neocons decided it must. Nothing will deter Bush with his sociopathic mentality. He has to be stopped before he kills more…. but he will not even be challenged.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:59 pmshadow7……”The plans for war and domination of the Middle East was set before 9/11 and has continued, on schedule, just as the neocons decided it must.”
Therefore logically we can assume that 9-11 was the enabling act that permitted the neocon plans to progress. There has always been the under reported issue of a dotted line between all of this and Israel.
Try googling some terems such as FoxNews AMDOC or the dancing art students on 9-11-2001
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