No, its not. Its merely potential. I might fail to grow naturally. Heck, RU-486 doesnt scrape or rip. Your logic is entirely circular. At what point of the sperm penetrating the egg do you think it becomes a sacred child? Right when the sperm hits the egg? When its pentrated the surface? When exactly? Heck, why I am I asking, you didnt even answer my question about whether fertility clinics were mass murderers, whose garbage cans were like mini-concentration camps?

Comment by Chocolate Jesus — November 9, 2007 @ 10

Sorry for the delay in responding to ya, bud. You explained exactly when the “sacred child” is formed. (Curious that you disparage children like that.) Disposal of embryos is killing children. Unfortunately, it is legal in this country. I’ve noticed that some libs don’t like to apply the same standards to children they want and children they don’t want. I can see why you need to believe that a child isn’t a child until it’s able to live outside the womb, since you want to be for abortion. Did the time in which abortion should be allowed change for you as medical advances made it possible to save babies at earlier stages of gestation? But, why is it so important for you to believe that pro-lifer’s views are based upon subjugation of women rather than the life of a child? Do you have to do that to try to elevate your beliefs? Make it ok to kill babies since the other side just wants to keep women down? I know that nothing anyone says will stop you from clinging to your false impressions, but you can’t say you haven’t been told that you are wrong. Most people who oppose abortion are good, decent people who struggle with the issue knowing the situation an unwanted child will be born into. Some people, unlike you, are uncomfortable deciding in so cavalier a manner which children are worthy of life and which aren’t. I’m awfully glad you are comfortable making that decision. ;)

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Also I never said I was pro torture. Where did you get that from anyways?

Kathleen (aka – blueseahorse)….

As for abortion. The only time it would be ok to murder a baby that can feel the pain is in defense of the mother’s life. In that situation, it should be only legal once you provide pain meds and anesthia to the innocent child.

For myself, I’m not ok with it. It makes me uncomfortable to think about, but I wont go so far as to say that in some circumstances, it might be for the best. If you argue its never acceptable to cause the painful death of innocent life, for the greater good, then you’d never go to war. Should we ever go to war, knowing it will cause the painful death of innocents?

Shocking. I must say, you are the exception rather than the rule amongst your ilk. I congratualte you for having some degree of consistencey to your beleifs. However, I would like you to understand that the people who you side yourself with,for the most part, do not posses such consistency. Perphaps you can help do something to change that.

As for the morning after pill. I am 100% ok with it. I do think we need to allow business’ and their employee’s the option of not giving it out based on their personal beliefs however. Either way, it should be legal and I am fine with it as long as we don’t force anyone to sell it.

It doesnt even attach to its mothers womb until the 7th day..until then, its just a possible pregnancy..not even a certain one…so its ok if we get rid of it before it MIGHT attach to its host, right?

No, its not. Its merely potential. I might fail to grow naturally. Heck, RU-486 doesnt scrape or rip. Your logic is entirely circular. At what point of the sperm penetrating the egg do you think it becomes a sacred child? Right when the sperm hits the egg? When its pentrated the surface? When exactly? Heck, why I am I asking, you didnt even answer my question about whether fertility clinics were mass murderers, whose garbage cans were like mini-concentration camps?

A child is what is growing in it’s mother’s womb before it is ripped or scraped out, bud. ;)

a clump of cells is not a child. period.

to claim an unfeeling, unknowing, faceless, formless lump of cells is a human being truly degrades what it means to be human. but then again, degradation is what you people do best.
please explain the difference between a sperm about to fertilize and egg, and a sperm that has just fertilized an egg? quanitfy it. explain what makes one “a child” and the other “just a clump of cells”. neither will ever become anything more without the support of a host. at this point, both are just “potential”, nothing more

“Right, I have no idea what a plant feels either.”

Sorry, bud, but a child is not a plant. Period.
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> At what point do pro-abortion folks who want a child consider their >pregnancies to be important?

“A bit of a silly question.”

Not silly at all, in fact, quite pertinent. If it’s just a collection of cells when you want to kill it, yet you get excited about it when you want it, makes one a hypocrite. And we all know how libs hate hypocrisy. ;)
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Keeping women occupied as baby factories is the way you pepetuate your warmongering, conquering culture.

Comment by Chocolate Jesus — November 9, 2007 @ 10:25

I understand that believing this makes it ok for you to support killing babies. Hey, I’m glad you need something like this. Makes you more human, bud. ;)

And if you’re so warped that you equate snuffing out a clump of cells with killing a human being, you have the right to get a job as something other than a pharmacist, or get a job with an employer who conforms to your moral beliefs.

Uhm, dude.. you DO know that private companies have no legal obligation to take thier employees religious belifs into account, do you? Does a hindu expect to keep his job at a butchers if he wont handle cow meat? Does trojan condoms have to start selling some other product because they hire a catholic? what you are suggesting is absurd.

Right, I have no idea what a plant feels either. Nice dodge. I simply know that there is no scientific basis for arguing that an embryo has any ability to feel or be conscious of pain, or any other sensation, for that matter. You know there ARE biological explanations for why we feel pain, and the structures which give rise to those phenomena have not yet formed at the embryonic level. Period.

> At what point do pro-abortion folks who want a child consider their >pregnancies to be important?

A bit of a silly question. As with any opinion held by a group of people, I’m sure it varies from person to person. All I know is the closer to conception you get, the less and less strength any of the “its a child” arguments hold.

I just think the fact that even when presented with birth control choices that dont result in anything possibly feeling pain, most of you guys whine and complain just as loudly, is very telling of your true beliefs. Its because this issue isnt about “killing children” at all. You guys dont care how many children with nerve endings and families who will grieve for them you kill in iraq, because saddam was a bad man. Keeping women occupied as baby factories is the way you pepetuate your warmongering, conquering culture.

businesses shouldnt have the right to hire people who fullfill thier contracts and do the job they’ve been hired to do?

Comment by Chocolate Jesus — November 9, 2007 @ 10:00

Of course they do, as long as they don’t infringe on the religious freedoms of their employees. People have the right to refuse to be an accessory murder. ;)