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		<title>By: H2onE2</title>
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		<dc:creator>H2onE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Predictions of the next 911 by a Professional Geologist. 

www.H2onE2.com Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western Religion
A Geological Exploration of an E2 Earthen Planet And the H2 Human Species
Author: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist

Brief Description:
www.H2onE2.com is an exploration of the universe, geology, climate, biology, humans, psychology, folklore and ancient structures to uncover the beginning and disclose the end of linear western religion. The true DaVinci Code behind the bible is not a supreme spiritual power but a scientific record of climate change described as Glacial Respiration. The Greek philosophers originated the practice of communicating a hidden idea or message in the short story format, as a metaphor. In the bible, metaphors conceal historic climate change within the fanciful stories. The theory of Glacial Respiration explains the myth behind the Holy Grail, structures such as the Great Pyramids, Stonehenge, Easter Island and is the knowledge that was collected in the Jewish Ark of the Covenant.  
The environmental changes of Glacial Respiration determine all biological evolution and can explain why higher forms of intelligent humans developed. Further, Glacial Respiration releases the secret hidden by the Knights Templars, Masonic Order and all religions. Uncovers an advanced Blue-Blooded semi-industrial Atlantian Civilization that was built and destroyed many times over for the last million years. The book ends with an explanation of how linear western religion will be physically ended and describes the construction of the doomsday device capable of fulfilling its own self defining prophesy, â€œRevelationsâ€.  H2onE2 is a mind-expanding experience that stimulates the soul, instinct, intellect and is an almanac to the past, present and future of humanity. Rise, awaken and evolve into H3 human consciousness.

The discovery:
As a Professional Geologist, I attempted to link the Dust Bowl/Great Depression to a pre-glacial condition or mechanism and ended up writing the book H2onE2. I felt that there was a strong connection between the Dust Bowl and transition back into Glacial Winter. I did notice that my professors scientifically crumbled every time I mentioned the relationship. I could not go back in time or locate indisputable proof. The proof came from understanding all educational disciplines including history and theology. I soon discovered that all religious text both eastern and western continually described significant climate change conditions relating to Glacial Respiration. For years I fought off mixing science and religion until I discovered that the origins of all religions were founded or created to help humans psychologically survive the harsh earthen environment. Without reason I soon accepted that the world&#039;s complicated religions were the same. This came true and I continued to write and discover. Everything came into place as though I was unlocking a 10,000-year-old puzzle. I also realized this puzzle was opened before I discovered it, by someone else, some other group. If so, further understanding of this knowledge might be extracted from significant historical events. Lastly, this is the vital informa&lt;/strong&gt;tion needed to make future predictions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Predictions of the next 911 by a Professional Geologist. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.H2onE2.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.H2onE2.com</a> Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western Religion<br />
A Geological Exploration of an E2 Earthen Planet And the H2 Human Species<br />
Author: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist</p>
<p>Brief Description:<br />
<a href="http://www.H2onE2.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.H2onE2.com</a> is an exploration of the universe, geology, climate, biology, humans, psychology, folklore and ancient structures to uncover the beginning and disclose the end of linear western religion. The true DaVinci Code behind the bible is not a supreme spiritual power but a scientific record of climate change described as Glacial Respiration. The Greek philosophers originated the practice of communicating a hidden idea or message in the short story format, as a metaphor. In the bible, metaphors conceal historic climate change within the fanciful stories. The theory of Glacial Respiration explains the myth behind the Holy Grail, structures such as the Great Pyramids, Stonehenge, Easter Island and is the knowledge that was collected in the Jewish Ark of the Covenant.<br />
The environmental changes of Glacial Respiration determine all biological evolution and can explain why higher forms of intelligent humans developed. Further, Glacial Respiration releases the secret hidden by the Knights Templars, Masonic Order and all religions. Uncovers an advanced Blue-Blooded semi-industrial Atlantian Civilization that was built and destroyed many times over for the last million years. The book ends with an explanation of how linear western religion will be physically ended and describes the construction of the doomsday device capable of fulfilling its own self defining prophesy, â€œRevelationsâ€.  H2onE2 is a mind-expanding experience that stimulates the soul, instinct, intellect and is an almanac to the past, present and future of humanity. Rise, awaken and evolve into H3 human consciousness.</p>
<p>The discovery:<br />
As a Professional Geologist, I attempted to link the Dust Bowl/Great Depression to a pre-glacial condition or mechanism and ended up writing the book H2onE2. I felt that there was a strong connection between the Dust Bowl and transition back into Glacial Winter. I did notice that my professors scientifically crumbled every time I mentioned the relationship. I could not go back in time or locate indisputable proof. The proof came from understanding all educational disciplines including history and theology. I soon discovered that all religious text both eastern and western continually described significant climate change conditions relating to Glacial Respiration. For years I fought off mixing science and religion until I discovered that the origins of all religions were founded or created to help humans psychologically survive the harsh earthen environment. Without reason I soon accepted that the world&#8217;s complicated religions were the same. This came true and I continued to write and discover. Everything came into place as though I was unlocking a 10,000-year-old puzzle. I also realized this puzzle was opened before I discovered it, by someone else, some other group. If so, further understanding of this knowledge might be extracted from significant historical events. Lastly, this is the vital informa</strong>tion needed to make future predictions.<br />
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		<title>By: ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/waterboarding-is-torture-and-should-be-banned/comment-page-3/#comment-4150776</link>
		<dc:creator>ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefside, 
You&#039;ve clearly lost this argument. No need to get upset though. &quot;You are completely rediculous&quot; Wow, what a fantastic display of reason. Bravo!

I do understand that facts are often difficult for the left to deal with in a mature mannor, but you&#039;d better start learning how to back up your arguments because the days of the left spouting their nonsense and going unchallend are obviously long over. Even here on your leftwing hate sites where you all circle your waggons and squat around your blogs reassuring each other, you&#039;ll still be challenged. There&#039;s nowhere for the left to hide from debate anymore. How does it feel to get completely Powned on your own silly partisan website? 

Let me know when you have an actual arguement to offer and maybe we can discuss further. I agree that particular debate is done and that you&#039;ve lost it, badly. &quot;Torture is bad&quot;, is about all you could offer. How simple of you. Best of luck playing chess with terrorists. I&#039;m sure voters will love that brilliant idea. Thank God my family&#039;s safety is not in hands of people who think like you, those would rather let my family die than waterboard a few terrorist murderors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefside,<br />
You&#8217;ve clearly lost this argument. No need to get upset though. &#8220;You are completely rediculous&#8221; Wow, what a fantastic display of reason. Bravo!</p>
<p>I do understand that facts are often difficult for the left to deal with in a mature mannor, but you&#8217;d better start learning how to back up your arguments because the days of the left spouting their nonsense and going unchallend are obviously long over. Even here on your leftwing hate sites where you all circle your waggons and squat around your blogs reassuring each other, you&#8217;ll still be challenged. There&#8217;s nowhere for the left to hide from debate anymore. How does it feel to get completely Powned on your own silly partisan website? </p>
<p>Let me know when you have an actual arguement to offer and maybe we can discuss further. I agree that particular debate is done and that you&#8217;ve lost it, badly. &#8220;Torture is bad&#8221;, is about all you could offer. How simple of you. Best of luck playing chess with terrorists. I&#8217;m sure voters will love that brilliant idea. Thank God my family&#8217;s safety is not in hands of people who think like you, those would rather let my family die than waterboard a few terrorist murderors.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150776', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/waterboarding-is-torture-and-should-be-banned/comment-page-3/#comment-4150754</link>
		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are completely ridiculous. You tout ONE SINGLE person&#039;s report that &quot;torture worked&quot; - and that flies in the face of YEARS and YEARS of hard evidence that torture does NOT work. 

Ask John McCain if torture worked.

Furthermore, we cannot ever bring KSM to trial - BECAUSE WE TORTURED HIM. 

I never did call you a Nazi - but that particular jackboot fits you exactly. 

You make generations of dictators, tyrants, genocidal maniacs and Nazis proud. Adolf Hitler is wiping away a tear of pride in Hell. 

I&#039;m done with you. GO TO NORTH KOREA - WHERE YOU BELONG.

You don&#039;t deserve to live in America, you swinish coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are completely ridiculous. You tout ONE SINGLE person&#8217;s report that &#8220;torture worked&#8221; &#8211; and that flies in the face of YEARS and YEARS of hard evidence that torture does NOT work. </p>
<p>Ask John McCain if torture worked.</p>
<p>Furthermore, we cannot ever bring KSM to trial &#8211; BECAUSE WE TORTURED HIM. </p>
<p>I never did call you a Nazi &#8211; but that particular jackboot fits you exactly. </p>
<p>You make generations of dictators, tyrants, genocidal maniacs and Nazis proud. Adolf Hitler is wiping away a tear of pride in Hell. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m done with you. GO TO NORTH KOREA &#8211; WHERE YOU BELONG.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t deserve to live in America, you swinish coward.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150754', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftside, calm yourself. 
I&#039;ve not put you down at all. I&#039;ve simply asked you repetedly to keep your comments clean and respectful. You obviously cannot control yourself, and this is a clear indication of your lack of maturity and a testiment to the overall weak and ineefective nature of your argument. I also sense some general insecurity from you regarding your position, and that&#039;s understandible. But outside of liberal circles, people actually debate back and forth and we challenge each other. This might be new to you so I&#039;ll give you another chance. 

Fact: It has been reported by Brian Ross, who interviewed CIA insiders, including those who are against torture, that KSM was waterboarded and that he cracked with valid and actionable information. Simply listen to Brian Ross&#039; report for yourself. My link to his video is above. You can&#039;t dismiss the inconventient fact that waterboarding did indeed work on KSM. The argument that torture doesn&#039;t work has been disproven and is over now. You&#039;ve clearly lost that debate.  You need to argue a different point. I suggested that you offer a viable alternative to waterboarding and you offered that we should play chess with our enemies. Is that what you think we should be doing in Guantanamo, playing chess with terrorists?
 
Your moral superiority argument again breaks down when you consider that American lives are put in jeopardy because people like you aren&#039;t willing to waterboard life-saving information out of a terrroist. 

Your argument even further deteriorates when you juxtapose waterboarding with the actions the USA has taken historically to ensure its people&#039;s survival, such as leveling German and Japanese cities and killing tens of thousands of civilians. 

Now, if you have something intelligent to offer besides calling me a nazi or an idiot or rambling that Bush is immoral, then by all means please try again.  But, at this point you simply must accept that you are wrong that torture doesn&#039;t work. That myth has been shattered by Brian Ross&#039; report. You must stop pretending it didn&#039;t happen and face reality. So, what else do you have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftside, calm yourself.<br />
I&#8217;ve not put you down at all. I&#8217;ve simply asked you repetedly to keep your comments clean and respectful. You obviously cannot control yourself, and this is a clear indication of your lack of maturity and a testiment to the overall weak and ineefective nature of your argument. I also sense some general insecurity from you regarding your position, and that&#8217;s understandible. But outside of liberal circles, people actually debate back and forth and we challenge each other. This might be new to you so I&#8217;ll give you another chance. </p>
<p>Fact: It has been reported by Brian Ross, who interviewed CIA insiders, including those who are against torture, that KSM was waterboarded and that he cracked with valid and actionable information. Simply listen to Brian Ross&#8217; report for yourself. My link to his video is above. You can&#8217;t dismiss the inconventient fact that waterboarding did indeed work on KSM. The argument that torture doesn&#8217;t work has been disproven and is over now. You&#8217;ve clearly lost that debate.  You need to argue a different point. I suggested that you offer a viable alternative to waterboarding and you offered that we should play chess with our enemies. Is that what you think we should be doing in Guantanamo, playing chess with terrorists?</p>
<p>Your moral superiority argument again breaks down when you consider that American lives are put in jeopardy because people like you aren&#8217;t willing to waterboard life-saving information out of a terrroist. </p>
<p>Your argument even further deteriorates when you juxtapose waterboarding with the actions the USA has taken historically to ensure its people&#8217;s survival, such as leveling German and Japanese cities and killing tens of thousands of civilians. </p>
<p>Now, if you have something intelligent to offer besides calling me a nazi or an idiot or rambling that Bush is immoral, then by all means please try again.  But, at this point you simply must accept that you are wrong that torture doesn&#8217;t work. That myth has been shattered by Brian Ross&#8217; report. You must stop pretending it didn&#8217;t happen and face reality. So, what else do you have?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150690', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CWIAD:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;Controlling my outbursts&quot;...?&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s simply another standard reichwing response to anyone who has a better argument than you do. 

You haven&#039;t a leg to stand on, so you fall back on your idiotic putdowns.

Tell ya what? Why don&#039;t you just emigrate to North Korea - I&#039;m sure Dear Leader will be happy to protect you and keep you safe from big bad terrorists. 

Oh - and don&#039;t let the door hit your ass on the way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CWIAD:  <i>&#8220;Controlling my outbursts&#8221;&#8230;?</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s simply another standard reichwing response to anyone who has a better argument than you do. </p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t a leg to stand on, so you fall back on your idiotic putdowns.</p>
<p>Tell ya what? Why don&#8217;t you just emigrate to North Korea &#8211; I&#8217;m sure Dear Leader will be happy to protect you and keep you safe from big bad terrorists. </p>
<p>Oh &#8211; and don&#8217;t let the door hit your ass on the way out.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150610', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/waterboarding-is-torture-and-should-be-banned/comment-page-3/#comment-4150607</link>
		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. &lt;/b&gt;

Benjamin Franklin&#039;s Contributions to the Conference on February 17 (III) Fri, Feb 17, 1775</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. </b></p>
<p>Benjamin Franklin&#8217;s Contributions to the Conference on February 17 (III) Fri, Feb 17, 1775<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150607', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Patriot</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/waterboarding-is-torture-and-should-be-banned/comment-page-3/#comment-4150390</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o unless you have a viable alternative to waterboardingâ€¦

Comment by ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred â€” November 8, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Unfortunately for you, all it got was lies and misinformation, thus slowing the progress of gathering good information, and putting our troops in more danger. besides being a sadistic, immoral, unAmerican coward, you&#039;re also dead wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o unless you have a viable alternative to waterboardingâ€¦</p>
<p>Comment by ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred â€” November 8, 2007 @ 8:35 pm<br />
Unfortunately for you, all it got was lies and misinformation, thus slowing the progress of gathering good information, and putting our troops in more danger. besides being a sadistic, immoral, unAmerican coward, you&#8217;re also dead wrong.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150390', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JMOHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMOHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment 113: I notice that you have failed to provide a factual basis for stating that we face a threat to the very survival of the United States.  Water boarding is a crime against hummanity.  It is torture and it does not provide a reliable source of information.  Yes, strategic bombing was used during WWII.  Strategic bombing involved what was a new technology at the time. It was believed that bombing of cities would break the will of the enemy and destroy their economic capability to wage war.  Unfortunately, it did not work.  I note that you failed to respond to the results of the Strategic Bombing Survey and its refutation of the use of the tactic.  You fail to respond to the fact that the US was willing to try the tactic but also had the sense to examine its actions on a factual basis that led to the development of precision ammunition and a switch in emphasis to logistcal interdiction and ground support for military air.  Tactics that were indeed utilized with great success during both Gulf wars.

You failed to respond to the use of atomic weapons to avoid an even greater loss of life on both sides in lieu of an invasion of the Janapnese home islands.  

I guess you just act from the gut without any regard to factual analysis.

The goal of any insurgency or assymmetrical warfare is to cause the enemy to over react and to cause a backlash against the opponent.  Our use of torture against detainees, the majority of which did not constitute the enemy has caused the reputation and status of the US to suffer.  Note that Turkey, once our greatest supporter in the middle east, now has 91% of the population disapproving of the US and its use of military force.  You are exactly the type of person that our enemy is aiming for.  You actually help them to accomplish theri goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment 113: I notice that you have failed to provide a factual basis for stating that we face a threat to the very survival of the United States.  Water boarding is a crime against hummanity.  It is torture and it does not provide a reliable source of information.  Yes, strategic bombing was used during WWII.  Strategic bombing involved what was a new technology at the time. It was believed that bombing of cities would break the will of the enemy and destroy their economic capability to wage war.  Unfortunately, it did not work.  I note that you failed to respond to the results of the Strategic Bombing Survey and its refutation of the use of the tactic.  You fail to respond to the fact that the US was willing to try the tactic but also had the sense to examine its actions on a factual basis that led to the development of precision ammunition and a switch in emphasis to logistcal interdiction and ground support for military air.  Tactics that were indeed utilized with great success during both Gulf wars.</p>
<p>You failed to respond to the use of atomic weapons to avoid an even greater loss of life on both sides in lieu of an invasion of the Janapnese home islands.  </p>
<p>I guess you just act from the gut without any regard to factual analysis.</p>
<p>The goal of any insurgency or assymmetrical warfare is to cause the enemy to over react and to cause a backlash against the opponent.  Our use of torture against detainees, the majority of which did not constitute the enemy has caused the reputation and status of the US to suffer.  Note that Turkey, once our greatest supporter in the middle east, now has 91% of the population disapproving of the US and its use of military force.  You are exactly the type of person that our enemy is aiming for.  You actually help them to accomplish theri goals.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150208', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Ripper, 
Even if it is uncomfortable or inconvenient, you must face facts or else you&#039;re not being rational. You do understand that the US nuked two Japanese cities and leveled German cities to the ground with conventional bombings, killing tens of thousands of civilians in the process? 

Just let that settle in for a while and then you&#039;ll understand that waterboarding KSM and his band of terrorists is nothing in comparison. 

You&#039;re just wrong on this, and I see its difficult for you to accept.

Yes, I am familiar with how waterboarding has been considered a crime in the past. I am not here to protect Bush. You assume I am his supporter. I am no repubican and I have mixed feelings on Bush. I am however, an American and I value American lives much more than terrorists. I am here to support waterboarding terrorists like KSM because it helps save more lives. 
So unless you have a viable alternative to waterboarding...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Ripper,<br />
Even if it is uncomfortable or inconvenient, you must face facts or else you&#8217;re not being rational. You do understand that the US nuked two Japanese cities and leveled German cities to the ground with conventional bombings, killing tens of thousands of civilians in the process? </p>
<p>Just let that settle in for a while and then you&#8217;ll understand that waterboarding KSM and his band of terrorists is nothing in comparison. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re just wrong on this, and I see its difficult for you to accept.</p>
<p>Yes, I am familiar with how waterboarding has been considered a crime in the past. I am not here to protect Bush. You assume I am his supporter. I am no repubican and I have mixed feelings on Bush. I am however, an American and I value American lives much more than terrorists. I am here to support waterboarding terrorists like KSM because it helps save more lives.<br />
So unless you have a viable alternative to waterboarding&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150200', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/waterboarding-is-torture-and-should-be-banned/comment-page-3/#comment-4150194</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMOHR: &quot;Indeed, Shiek Kahlid gave many false leads after he â€œbroke.â€ The real intelligence coups came from capturing his lap top which had a list of AQ operatives and networks.&quot;

Exactly. Thank you.</description>
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<p>Exactly. Thank you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150194', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/waterboarding-is-torture-and-should-be-banned/comment-page-3/#comment-4150193</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush cultist: &quot;History proves that the US has and will do far, far worse things than waterboarding to the enemy in order to win wars.&quot;

No, history shows that we have executed and imprisoned people for waterboarding and that we have sent our own officers to prison for doing it to the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush cultist: &#8220;History proves that the US has and will do far, far worse things than waterboarding to the enemy in order to win wars.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, history shows that we have executed and imprisoned people for waterboarding and that we have sent our own officers to prison for doing it to the enemy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150193', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JMOHR</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/waterboarding-is-torture-and-should-be-banned/comment-page-3/#comment-4150192</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment 101:   I am not &quot;sliting&quot; hairs.  I was in the Air Force and we tend to take our weapons fairly seriously.  However, you failed to see the point.  The use of the tactic was controversial at the time.  You claimed that the tactic was necessary to ensure the survival of the US.  You were wrong.  The US government Strategic Bombing Survey says that you were wrong.  I do not condem the US for using the tactic.  It was the best at the time.  However, we had the sensibility to use fact finding to see whether it actually worked.  We abandoned the use of such tactics because they were ineffective.  Actually, we would have done better by using air power for close ground support as was well demonstrated during the DD Invasion.  Indeed, the Strategic Bombing Survey and the limits of such tactics was and is a required topic from basic ROTC classes through Air War College.

The use of the atomic bombs was also controversial as well its should have been.  Again, I do not fault the use of the weapons. We were facing the invasion of mainland Japan where the probable loss of life on both sides would well have outweighed that by the use of the atomic bombs. Under the law of war, an acceptable trade off.

Torture has never been an effective means of gathering information

Now, what is your factual basis for asserting that the &quot;war on terror&quot;  comes close to being the same threat to the survival of the United States as was WWII.  I really think that I see a frightened child willing to break any law and commit any crime against hummanity to defeat a boogey man inflated far beyond its threat.  The fact that every interrogation professional has condemned the use of torture as unreliable attacks your premise to justify its use.  Indeed, Shiek Kahlid gave many false leads after he &quot;broke.&quot;  The real intelligence coups came from capturing his lap top which had a list of AQ operatives and networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment 101:   I am not &#8220;sliting&#8221; hairs.  I was in the Air Force and we tend to take our weapons fairly seriously.  However, you failed to see the point.  The use of the tactic was controversial at the time.  You claimed that the tactic was necessary to ensure the survival of the US.  You were wrong.  The US government Strategic Bombing Survey says that you were wrong.  I do not condem the US for using the tactic.  It was the best at the time.  However, we had the sensibility to use fact finding to see whether it actually worked.  We abandoned the use of such tactics because they were ineffective.  Actually, we would have done better by using air power for close ground support as was well demonstrated during the DD Invasion.  Indeed, the Strategic Bombing Survey and the limits of such tactics was and is a required topic from basic ROTC classes through Air War College.</p>
<p>The use of the atomic bombs was also controversial as well its should have been.  Again, I do not fault the use of the weapons. We were facing the invasion of mainland Japan where the probable loss of life on both sides would well have outweighed that by the use of the atomic bombs. Under the law of war, an acceptable trade off.</p>
<p>Torture has never been an effective means of gathering information</p>
<p>Now, what is your factual basis for asserting that the &#8220;war on terror&#8221;  comes close to being the same threat to the survival of the United States as was WWII.  I really think that I see a frightened child willing to break any law and commit any crime against hummanity to defeat a boogey man inflated far beyond its threat.  The fact that every interrogation professional has condemned the use of torture as unreliable attacks your premise to justify its use.  Indeed, Shiek Kahlid gave many false leads after he &#8220;broke.&#8221;  The real intelligence coups came from capturing his lap top which had a list of AQ operatives and networks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150192', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush cultism has reached it&#039;s logical end. Bush cultists will shit on the military, ignore the ideals of American democracy and our Founding Fathers all to protect this horrible little aristocrat that they worship. It&#039;s just as sickening as it can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush cultism has reached it&#8217;s logical end. Bush cultists will shit on the military, ignore the ideals of American democracy and our Founding Fathers all to protect this horrible little aristocrat that they worship. It&#8217;s just as sickening as it can get.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150191', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people really have no leg to stand on. History proves that the US has and will do far, far worse things than waterboarding to the enemy in order to win wars. The carpet bombing of Dresden and the dropping of two nuclear weapons on Japan prove my poin. Waterboarding a creep like KSM is nothing. There are bigger issues at stake, like your survival.    

The problem with you anti-waterboarders is that you offer no viable alternatives and often won&#039;t even face the knowledge that waterboarding KSM worked pretty well when nothing else did. You don&#039;t seem to be comortable with any interrogation techniques, which is ludicrous.

This country survival is not bound to your higher sense of morality, regarless whether you may be willing to allow more Americans to die so that you can feel better about yourselves for not waterboarding terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people really have no leg to stand on. History proves that the US has and will do far, far worse things than waterboarding to the enemy in order to win wars. The carpet bombing of Dresden and the dropping of two nuclear weapons on Japan prove my poin. Waterboarding a creep like KSM is nothing. There are bigger issues at stake, like your survival.    </p>
<p>The problem with you anti-waterboarders is that you offer no viable alternatives and often won&#8217;t even face the knowledge that waterboarding KSM worked pretty well when nothing else did. You don&#8217;t seem to be comortable with any interrogation techniques, which is ludicrous.</p>
<p>This country survival is not bound to your higher sense of morality, regarless whether you may be willing to allow more Americans to die so that you can feel better about yourselves for not waterboarding terrorists.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150189', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I ask you: If â€œwaterboarding is nothing,â€ why did we execute a Japanese officer for it and throw a number of Nazis in jail for life for doing it?

You&#039;re comparing questionable anecdotal evidence about certain rogue members of the military acting outside of authority with official government policy.  Answer the simple question about waterboarding (which is the subject of this thread) or get your sick, ugly, sociopathic ass out of here. I&#039;m tired of you crapping all over  the reputation of our country and our military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I ask you: If â€œwaterboarding is nothing,â€ why did we execute a Japanese officer for it and throw a number of Nazis in jail for life for doing it?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re comparing questionable anecdotal evidence about certain rogue members of the military acting outside of authority with official government policy.  Answer the simple question about waterboarding (which is the subject of this thread) or get your sick, ugly, sociopathic ass out of here. I&#8217;m tired of you crapping all over  the reputation of our country and our military.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150188', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClintonWasImpeachedAndDisbarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper, 
Are you seriously going to pretend that the heros of WW2 didn&#039;t sometimes kill surrendering enemies? Ok... Did you know that there were special MP&#039;s that were sent out to find Germans who were trying to surrender but were avoiding the infantrymen because they&#039;d be shot on site? They&#039;d sneak around the front line in search of US officers,  and these special MP&#039;s would be there waiting for them.

You might want to read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Born-Heroes-Memories-Neighborhood/dp/1570902364/ref=sr_1_1/102-5068842-7092147?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1194570410&amp;sr=8-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper,<br />
Are you seriously going to pretend that the heros of WW2 didn&#8217;t sometimes kill surrendering enemies? Ok&#8230; Did you know that there were special MP&#8217;s that were sent out to find Germans who were trying to surrender but were avoiding the infantrymen because they&#8217;d be shot on site? They&#8217;d sneak around the front line in search of US officers,  and these special MP&#8217;s would be there waiting for them.</p>
<p>You might want to read this book:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Born-Heroes-Memories-Neighborhood/dp/1570902364/ref=sr_1_1/102-5068842-7092147?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1194570410&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Born-Heroes-Memories-Neighborhood/dp/1570902364/ref=sr_1_1/102-5068842-7092147?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1194570410&amp;sr=8-1</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150184', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey stupid! If &quot;waterboarding is nothing,&quot; why did we execute a Japanese officer for it and throw a number of Nazis in jail for life for doing it? I&#039;m waiting for your answer to that simple question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey stupid! If &#8220;waterboarding is nothing,&#8221; why did we execute a Japanese officer for it and throw a number of Nazis in jail for life for doing it? I&#8217;m waiting for your answer to that simple question.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150183', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to a number of historical accounts, Nazi soldiers actively sought out American forces to quickly surrender to them rather than being taken prisoner by approaching Russian army forces because they knew they would be treated in a humane manner by Americans.</description>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sociopath: &quot;Waterboarding is nothing.&quot;

We executed a man for doing it to our soldiers. Google on Sgt. Major Shinsako Yuki if you don&#039;t believe me, you stupid a-hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sociopath: &#8220;Waterboarding is nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>We executed a man for doing it to our soldiers. Google on Sgt. Major Shinsako Yuki if you don&#8217;t believe me, you stupid a-hole.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150172', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush cultist: &quot;The US is not obliged to live up to your moral standards when it comes to ensuring our survival.&quot;

Only a sick sociopath would feel that way. As George Washington told his men, &quot;we&#039;re supposed to stand for something.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush cultist: &#8220;The US is not obliged to live up to your moral standards when it comes to ensuring our survival.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only a sick sociopath would feel that way. As George Washington told his men, &#8220;we&#8217;re supposed to stand for something.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4150169', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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